Our defense is the same as last year???
I'm confused right now. I keep looking at what we've done this offseason and hearing these comments that just don't compute.
Does anyone remember these names: Bob Slowik, Marlon Mcree, Dre Bly, Jamie Winborn, that other safety we had...
No? Why not? They aren't here anymore. Why aren't they here? They couldn't produce.Most were too old to be the same as they were in their youth and in their prime.
So who do we have now? Mike Nolan, and the assistants he brought with him(all stars at DL and LB coach), Andra Davis, Reynaldo Hill, Andre Goodman, Ronald Fields... Again I could go on... Oh there's one more thing we have: A new head coach and a completely different scheme.
Now I'm not going to ask you to name Steelers defensive players or Ravens defensive players let's pick a team that's a little less obvious, like say Atlanta. Name 2 defensive players for that squad last year. Tough, right? Ok then try naming some of Miami's defenders... What do those teams have in common(and more importantly what do they have in common with us?
Last year both of those teams started almost from scratch with their rosters. Both of those teams had new people in important positions in the front office and on the field. Both of those teams went to the playoffs.
Right now we are at the same point.
I want to understand why everyone keeps saying this is the same defense. Go look through our roster and remember how a base 3-4 or a nickle 2-4-5 look. Go look at where we've projecting some of the guys we already have on our roster(like Dumerville, Thomas, Powell) and I dare you to tell me it's the same defense we had last year.
I'm going to borrow Brandon Marshall's quote here. I'm gonna follow the guys with the rings.
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Frickin great post JR G,,,Rec;d my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2009 5:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed one hundred percent Rec'd
There seems to be a knee jerk reaction going on that says just because we didn’t pick 10 defensive players in the draft and bring in high profile names like Haynesworth or Peppers, we haven’t addressed the most glaring need.
Seems to me that we not only addressed the need, but we did it in a way that allowed us to simultaneously address other position needs.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Apr 27, 2009 7:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post JR...
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Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 27, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post!
Some of this I believe is the result of the Cult of the Individual that has infected football coverage the way it has baseball and basketball. It seems like the MSM is too lazy to do any real research so they look for high profile names and stories. when they don’t see any they assume and report that nothing has changed. So we have no high profile signings or draft picks in the front 7 therefore the story is that nothing has changed. That’s what they serve up so that’s what the typical fan swallows. Knowledgeable fans may know differently but we’re swimming against a tide of misinformation.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 27, 2009 9:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great points SWG.....thats why I found the weekend so difficult on MHR on the weekend.....
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's making me crazy...
The media is one thing, but I am watching a lot of fans that should know better fall into this trap. Eddie Royal, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffery, Al Wilson. None of those guys was high profile me first guys. We just drafted and picked up in FA a bunch of these types of guys. We don’t want superstars, we want a bunch of lunchpail players that are going to take this serious and play as a team.
by JR_G on Apr 27, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post and rec'd
Tough times don't last.......Only tough people!
by moorebroncos on Apr 27, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I love being under the radar
Let everyone pan us. Underestimate us. Teams with strong character thrive on that kind of stuff.
by JR_G on Apr 27, 2009 10:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
This argument is well said and something I think this webpage in general has been trying to get across in vain for awhile now. I just don’t think the detractors listen but I hope they will.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 27, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome and rec'd
And I wouldn’t discount Ed Dontell at the secondary coach. He’s been a D Coordinator too. I think he brings just as much to the table as Nunnely and Martindale.
Its one of the best defensive and most experience defensive staffs the Broncos have had in a long while. All have a track record of success.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Apr 27, 2009 11:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll take you up on your dare
Just to be a bit of a the devil’s advocate, I’m a little puzzled about this draft. I like the first two choices, although I was not a Moreno fan, but am a bit stunned by the later picks. The defense over the past two years has been awful. I don’t think it really matters who the coaches are or what the scheme is (and we’ve tried a few of each over the past two years), at some point, talent matters. We’re going to go into next year with predominantly who we had last year for the front seven and I’ll be amazed if the outcome is significantly better. I can’t name too many defensive players from the Ravens, Falcons or Dolphins, but based on record, I’d bet their no-names are better than our no-names. Your points are well-taken and of course, no one can tell until they put on the pads and play for real, but I remain for the moment, skeptical.
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Apr 27, 2009 11:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
even the no name players are productive on those teams Donkhead
and it’s not just because those teams got lucky with them. It’s because they brought guys in with ability, and they relied on their respective leaders to help them. Hello, Ed Reed and Ray Lewis
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Apr 27, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my take...
first I think it’s a mistake to even talk about a front 7 last year. I could see no evidence of any coordinated play between the D-line and the LBs, no evidence of any underlying system, and no evidence of any identity. While it was not the most talented unit, there was sufficient talent. There was however, no coherant system for applying that talent. I’m not alone in this evaluation. Many commentators more knowlegeable on defense than I have made similar comments.
As to the D-line – they actually were not as bad against the run as their press would indicate. In fact Football Outsiders ranked them 10th and 16th respectively against power runs and for stuffing the run. What killed us on run defense was the long run. We were 29th in giving up runs over 10 yards. That was the result of the lack of a coherant system, non-existent coordination between units, over-pursuit by certain players, going for the big hit instead of sure tackling and sketchy safety play. We alos did a poor job of forcing fumbles due to a lack of gang tackling. That goes back to the lack of sure tackling instead of going for the highlight real hit.
Against the pass it was a similar story – the big play coupled with a lack of interceptions. One of the driving forces behind these was the lack of an effective pass rush, but piss poor safety play played a huge role as well. The deficit of a pass rush was partly due to lack of talent and partly due to scheme, or lack thereof. Too many times Slowik took a passive approach to pass defense. Look at the Buffalo game. Early in the game we kept Edwards back on his heels with a variety of blitzes. Then we get burned on one draw play and went passive the rest of the game.
While talent played a role in the abysmal performance of our defense, scheme was a significant factor as well. The scheme is being addressed. First expect to see much more edge rushing from players like Doom, Reid, and Ayers. The interior D-line will be expected to occupy blocker allowing the edge rushers and blitzing LBs to create pressure. There will be an emphasis on gang tackling and stripping the ball. The secondary will look for opportunities for the int.
As far as talent. Accross every difficiency there has been an upgrade in talent. Don’t you think Dawkins, Goodman, and Hill are an upgrade over Manuel, McCree, Bly? Davis may not be all-pro, but don’t you think he is an improvement over Webster? Is Woodyard an upgrade over Winborn? Fields and upgrade over Robertson?
We are going into 2009 with defense that looks nothign like the 2008 version, in scheme, personnel, or attitude. Just because the MSM is too lazy to put the pieces together, doesn’t mean you have to fall for their gloom and doom crap. I don’t expect us to have a great defense in 2009, but it will be a damn sight better than the 2008 piece of….
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 27, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too many times Slowik took a passive approach to pass defense
You can say that again! Have CB2 play 7-10 yards off the line of scrimmage? Uh…
FS lined up 20 yards back? Ok…
We will instantly improve on the defensive side of the ball with a new scheme.
by lolcopter on Apr 27, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true
go back and watch those defensive performances (how bout week 4 KC??? bleah!) and then go back and watch shanny press conferences where he defended that defense and Bob Slowik’s command of it.
I would not be surprised if Shanny were to disclose that he was trying to get himself fired last year.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to...
it’s just too depressing. If I did I would probably look like Victor
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 27, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point Slow!
Rec’d comment!
Moreno in 2009! - Check
Mays in 2010!
by Steve O' on Apr 27, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd SWG's comment
lucid, well reasoned and insightful. Quality work, my friend.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 27, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
something to be said for consistency
Coaches and schemes do matter, at the very least in being consistent;
We had young guys who had to live through something like 3 DC’s in 3 years, and they were trained for a 4-3 at the start of 2008, had to try to switch to a 3-4 in mid-stride, then were asked to go back to the 4-3. We can only imagine the kind of havoc that wreaked on their development, and on their ability to have their role in any given play ingrained. And if a player has to stop and think “Now what am I supposed to be doing on this play” chances are they’ll be slower, and end up not fulfilling the role.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Apr 27, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone is forgetting
or maybe just disregarding the idea that Nolan was the head coach of the 49ers in 2007 when they brought in Patrick Willis, a Pro Bowl linebacker.
The guy knows his defense and to argue that is irrelevant. He was the defensive coordinator of Baltimores constantly deadly defense from 02 to 04 as well. Compare that to any of Shanahans defensive coordinators of the past 3 years, and I think you’ll be astounded at the differences.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Apr 27, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One thing that has not been said is this. The Defense was as bad as they were last year not because they were old, but because there was a lack of LEADERSHIP on the squad. No one could tackle, and everyone was trying to do the other’s job. Enter proven VETERAN LEADERS. Not only veterans, but now rookies who know how to lead, players who were leaders on their own teams, playmakers. IMO we will be a much more disciplined team this year, you do your job, I’ll do mine. But more importantly, there will be accountability.
by newby on Apr 27, 2009 6:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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