Horse Tracks 4/28/09

DB - Gray Caldwell reports on the Broncos' haul of 15 undrafted free-agents.
DP - LJones looks at the Broncos' depth and needs for each position, although there is no accounting for UFAs.
DP - Terry Frei offers an odd take - he dislikes that McDaniels and Co. narrowed the draft pool down and selected players they had the most information about. Apparently Frei would prefer the Broncos take wild stabs at picks...
DP - Former Skins and Dolts G.M. Bobby Beathard understands the trade for CB Alphonso Smith's draft spot.
DP - More on the UFAs, including the departure from "high-character" guys with NT Chris Baker.
KCS - Former Chefs coach Frank Gansz passed away at the age of 70.
KCS - Adam Teicher says the Chefs didn't do enough to address their needs in the pass rush. Hmm, sound familiar? Maybe Pioli didn't love any of those guys either...
SDUT - The Dolts signed 18 UFAs. Kevin Acee offers the list and a few details.
SDUT - Dolts LB Shaun Phillips was cited for misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a security guard at a hotel bar.
SFC - Even Raiders fans think their team is crazy for taking Darrius Heyward-Bey at #7.
SFC - Apparently, the Raiders don't announce their UFA-signings until later on...
NFL - TE Bo Scaife decided he'll sign his free-agent tender with the Titans, after the team traded a future 2nd-rounder to draft another tight end in the 3rd round. See, folks? Going rate for time value is one round...
NFL - Cincinnati released RB Chris Perry and is expected to let OT Levi Jones go as well.
NFL - The Seahawks have brought CB Ken Lucas back to town after four years with Carolina. Seattle also signed FB Justin Griffith, who most recently played for Oakland, and are still considering bringing back LB Leroy Hill despite removing his franchise tag.
NFL - Arizona's drafting of RB Beanie Wells reportedly means the end for Edgerrin James with the Cardinals.
NFL - Redskins QB Jason Campbell does not love getting caught up in all the trade winds in recent months.
*****
NYT - Mike Tanier looks at how schemes affected the draft, including an explanation of why Denver chose TE Richard Quinn so high.
NFP - Wes Bunting looks at his favorite UFA-signings.
CFN - College Football News ranks their top-30 undrafted players.
FOX - Alex Marvez looks at each team's remaining needs after the draft.
NFL - Pat Kirwan is puzzled by the Broncos' choice of Knowshon Moreno at #12, among other choices.
CBS - In a familiar tune, Rob Rang loves the players Denver drafted but thinks they drafted for the wrong positions.
NFP - Matt Bowen offers his draft thoughts, and he also thinks Denver shouldn't have taken Moreno. But, he loves the player.
NFP - Bowen wonders if the selection of Moreno makes J.J. Arrington a candidate for release.
SI - Ross Tucker shares his draft evaluations, although he isn't yet ready to call the Broncos' draft a success or a failure.
NFP - Mike Lombardi was also confused by Denver's choices this weekend.
SI - Peter King also does not love the Broncos' draft, although I believe he is erroneous in stating that Denver only has 5 choices in next year's draft - I'm pretty sure they have 6 7 - Chicago's 1, Dallas' 5, plus their own 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7. (UPDATE 9AM EST Thanks to Bradley for the correction re: the Dallas pick)
Y! - Not sure how I missed these, but Jason Cole grades out the AFC (a "D" for Denver), while Charles Robinson evaluates the NFC.
NFL - Bucky Brooks grades the NFC North teams' draft results.
CBS - Pete Prisco is already looking ahead to the 2010 Draft.
CBS - Chad Reuter also peeks at next year's potential draft class.
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That is a lot of Horse Tracks to get to in one day...
So, I’ll have to snoop around on these a little later. Nice finds though NYC. Drop me an email if you would, I have some pretty specific questions about NYC and I think you’d be a big help. Calijoefornia@gmail.com
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Apr 28, 2009 5:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
THANKS MAN....NICE HORSE TRACKS!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Mornin nyc, Looks like many Horse Tracks===Thank you
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 28, 2009 6:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a note
It is mentioned above, that neither Chiefs nor Broncos did anything to help their pass rush. Actually this extends to the whole Parcells / Belichick tree, since the Pats, Dolphins and Browns didn’t do anything there, either.
by hythlodaeus on Apr 28, 2009 6:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I see....
So you’re saying that all the guys trained under the same eyes saw the same thing, that is a weak pass-rushing class? Now THAT is good info. Thanks!!!!
by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 28, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
No harm intended. It was just an observation.
by hythlodaeus on Apr 28, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't being sarcastic
You made an excellent observation!
by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 28, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me jump on that point; re: weak pass rushing
That was my problem with all the possibles — Orarkpo, Maybin, E Brown, etc., they just didn’t look like particularly good risks. So……………., I would say, it wasn’t that there were no pass rushers but that the pass rushers weren’t complete players and lacked something in run stopping ability.
I’d love to hear what other people think about this point.
The edge rushing conversion projects (another knock on them) that we were looking at didn’t project very well in a 3-4. Orakpo didn’t fare very well when standing up so I ignored him, by and large. The others were good pass rushers but nobody would confuse them for 3-4 DEs. The only exception to the “speed rushing” DEs that proliferated in this draft was Ayers. The gist of the situation — we were looking a speed rushers who weren’t better than J Moss and weren’t even finding overall rushers of the capability of Dumervil.
by Colinski on Apr 28, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that Chris Baker has really changed now, after seeing his interview and how he has been clean in Hampton
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Apr 28, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a thread going with some Nittnay Lions fans.
I’ll let you know what I find out.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far they're leaning toward
potential superstar / sorry he was gone. Only one vote for Danger Will Robinson. ; )
When I think of all the team captains we have, and guys like B Dawk, I think it’s okay to take a flyer on a guy who seems to have turned his life around. As I mentioned in another thread, the dude listens to gospel music and patterns his play after Warren Sapp. What’s not to like?
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone? ^^
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks again nyc
And actually we have seven picks next year – we have Dallas’ 5th from the Montrae Holland trade.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Apr 28, 2009 6:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
NICE
Thanks, Bradley – I’ll make the correction.
by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 28, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
love this part:
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=9003 — almost every individual paragraph about the pickups:
“Team Leader”, “team captain”, “team captain”, “ex-marine”[team player imho], “all time leader”, “named after rulon jones” — sorry that last one just made me chuckle =)
by Todd Jewell on Apr 28, 2009 7:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
NYC...you're
awesome, and so, so apprecaited bro!
Thanks for knocking these out every am. It’s a total blessing to the rest of us!
Word, you rule!
by jaredstill on Apr 28, 2009 7:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Raiders
Read the post about the uphevel from the DHB pick. Raider nation expands from Nova Scotia to Canada. Unfortunatly Nova Scotia is in Canada. So I’m guessing Raider Nation goes from one end of Castro St. to the other.
by maritimebronco on Apr 28, 2009 7:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to take a wager on how many DHB jerseys sell?
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just frakkin hilarious
:D
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every Pan I Read Makes Me Feel Better
To say somebody drafted good players and give them a grade of D is pundit villager thinking at its best. I absolutely love that all of the criticisms of the Broncos’ draft cite the good talent they got. If only I could fail so wonderfully in life.
by Chibronx on Apr 28, 2009 8:12 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you...
I don’t know why, but I still catch myself every year looking to the national pundits for their “analysis” of the Broncos’ drafts. They rarely seem to have done any significant research on the team and they always put things in terms of filling holes or team needs…. Their grades usually just reflect the conventional wisdom about the team’s needs without applying any of the particulars or digging deeper into the meaning behind the picks. The various posts and comments here on MHR have done a much better job of pointing to and exploring other factors such as special teams, longevity of current starters, schemes, and overall philosophical approaches that can also influence the team’s draft.
by anotherNYCbroncofan on Apr 28, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree....
people can only process so much information.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
by bcfunk on Apr 28, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year
Early analysis has us as below average — “reaching” for Royal was our “obvious” mistake.
by Colinski on Apr 28, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stunning example
of MSM laziness.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 28, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Support Your Claim
Last year KC led the league in its draft rating remember. Everyone was amazed at what they did.
What happened to KC then?
This year KC rated a D, the same as Denver…
Uh Oh.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas City seemed to reach and take positions instead of BPA though.
The most obvious case is IMHO Tyson Jackson at 3. I would have graded him at about a 15-20 player, but they took him in the top 5? Major reach. Unless, of course, they had him rated as a top 5 talent. You never know, they were led by Pioli…
WE GOT MORENO!!!!
by papigrande on Apr 28, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frei
Man the Frei post was hilarious. I love it, don’t target yourself down to players you WANT, dilute yourself with players you don’t want because that is being more open and savvy when it comes to drafting.
He then criticizes the Patriot Way during a time when the Patriots are the most consistent and competitive team in the NFL and the draft over the last decade…
I wonder if he ever reads back through what he just said and gets a headache.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
To Point Out
The fallacy with Frei’s thinking is he is assuming the team didn’t look at the other couple hundred players available and just looked at 100. In reality they went through ALL the players and narrowed it down to 100.
He is making a poor assumption.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frei should stick with hockey.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 28, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting players the Broncos want.
That is the point of the draft. This guy needs a clue.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers beat Utah 4-1.......waiting for next opponent.
by weazel on Apr 28, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to root for Rulon!!!
[Rulon] Davis, 25, served in the Marines for three years out of high school — and did a six-month tour in Iraq
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 8:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AND
Had his legs run over by a SEMI!!
In 2005, less than a year after returning from Iraq, where he served as an avionics technician, Davis was thrown from his motorcycle and run over by a truck on a Los Angeles freeway. "That’s the closest to death I’ve ever gotten," recalls Davis, who scurried underneath a semi on Interstate 10 and felt the rear tires pass over his legs. "I wish that kind of pain on no man. I thought the bones in my legs were shattered."
Amazingly, none of his bones were broken, nor had he torn any tendons or ligaments.
Ummmm, wow.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 28, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thrown from his motorcycle?
How Rothelespergeresque!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much more impressed by the no broken bones
that’s a lot of weight. Dude must be indestructible.
There can only be one Highlander!
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Apr 28, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can keep
samuel l jackson away from him, everything should be cool…
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
one of my favorite M.N.S. movies. Underrated. :-)
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Hoofprints nyc
Good points everyone thank you too!
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 28, 2009 8:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Serious About Winning
has anyone noticed the theme from the writers in the media that it is better to be perceived as “Serious about Winning” than to actually win.
I mean teams that threw everything into one basket and took a big gamble, the Jets, are given kudos for being serious. Of course if Sanchez is anything less than stellar their lack of depth and foresight will set the franchise back years.
Meanwhile teams that draft multiple positions across the board looking for the best football players for the team, they are mocked and looked down on.
I am going out on a limb but if anyone wanted to bet me who would have the better record of the next 3 years, Denver or NYJ I wouldn’t hesitate to take Denver.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great organizations
I stumbled across the NYT blog on the draft by Mike Tanier thanks to horsetracks this morning…in addition to ROFLMAO commentary on the draft, the link from today’s horsetracks has a great analysis of the type of draft complexities being discused on MHR… .
I found this quote to be particularly of relevance as the Broncos synthesize the Patriot and McD philosophies…
“The only thing these selections have in common is that they all demonstrate the managerial vision of their coaches or front offices. For the Patriots, Dolphins, Steelers, Colts, Giants, and a few other teams, the draft is just part of an integrated player acquisition and development system. Contrast what these teams do with the Lions’ annual wide-eyed talent grab or the Raiders’ slavish pursuit of the fastest humans alive, and it’s clear why some teams sustain success for years or decades while others don’t.”
by anotherNYCbroncofan on Apr 28, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell.
I have to say, I’m blown away by this kid’s attitude. I’ll be rooting for him to succeed from now on, much in the same way I’ve been a Byron Leftwich fan since that incredible performance in the GMAC Bowl on a broken leg as a senior. Shame Cutler doesn’t have their heart or head…
"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish
"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
by ejruiz on Apr 28, 2009 9:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You need this t-shirt if you're going to root for Jason Campbell... :)
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
by bcfunk on Apr 28, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ross Tucker's piece
is one of the saner post-draft evaluations I’ve read. Definitely feels like he a) did his homework, b) tried to be fair and rational, and c) admits that you can’t know everything just yet. Compare his piece to the lazy gobbledygook from Cole for instance. (I pointed out Cole’s evaluation the other day and suggested Broncos fans drop him a polite note about his Broncos’ grade.)
Anyway, thanks as always for these round ups!
by underdog on Apr 28, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Something To know
about draft analysis and grades is that from a scientific stand point they are fundamentally flawed. (More so than you are thinking)
Consider this… a bunch of guys rate players on their opinions of their talent and ability projecting to the NFL. These ratings as we all know are flawed and carry with them a rather large uncertainty.
Now these same individuals rate team drafts based on these ratings they previously gave of the players. In essence this rating is compounding the original uncertainty inherent with the player ratings. End result, HUGE error.
I bet, if you really tried to represent it, that a rating of a D is probably more accurately written as D +- 3 letter grades. (At least)
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 10:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great points, Kfustud
More to come on draft grades in about, ohh 41 minutes.
by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 28, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Klis Missed the Obvious Non-Denial Denial
I really do think that salary cap considerations were part of the Alphonso Smith move, as they should have been. Klis makes a big deal of McDaniels quoting Bowlen as saying “no restrictions” on paying for new acquistions. But Bowlen’s willingness to pay isn’t the issue, fitting all those high picks under the cap is.
In political terms, this is what’s called a non-denial denial, like Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman, or Scott McLellan citing the inaccuracy of the story that Dick Cheny’s office had leaked Valerie Plame’s identity. Which part was inaccurate? He wouldn’t say. I included examples from both sides of the spectrum to keep everyone happy, but the operative point here is that McDaniels did not rule out salary-cap explanations.
by Chibronx on Apr 28, 2009 10:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither here nor there...
But I like both examples. The second would seem to be from the same end of the spectrum though.
McLellan left the administration, then turned on the administration with his book and subsequent interviews. He tried to blame the affair on the Office of the VP (Cheney), but before a congressional committee he admitted that no such thing happened.
Dep. Sec of State Richard Armitage (no friend of Cheney’s) admitted that he was the leaker on Sep 7, 2006.
I conceed that both non-denial denials were from different political affiliations, but only one side of the spectrum comes out looking bad in each case. Still, we can agree that there are far too many crooks in politics today (on both sides), and it nice to be in football land where we now who the good guys are (Denver), the bad guys are (30 other teams), and the dirtbags are (oakland).
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 28, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Beatherd agrees, he pinoneered that method
It worked somewhat but eventually led to him ripping the cubbards bare in SD and WA and a reason he was dismissed, it’s a high risk low reward stratagy IMO.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
by Broncoman on Apr 28, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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