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Welcome aboard, CFA Chris Baker

Welcome aboard, CFA Chris Baker

The Broncos’ entire 2009 season rests on your capricious, undrafted shoulders.

Perhaps the most intriguing pick up of the weekend came *after* the draft when we finally picked up a nose tackle as a CFA.

I didn't know much about Chris Baker's history, only that he was a somewhat controversial character at Penn State before moving on to Hampton.  I was a little concerned when I heard about potential character issues, so I checked with the people that were closest to scene.  

I put the question to the PSU board over at Black Shoe Diaries, and so far only 2 of 27 in the poll think it was a dangerous pick. 62% said he was somewhat immature but hopefully has learned from his mistakes, while 5 went so far to say they thought he had future superstar potential. As you can see in the post's threads, for a group of fans still feeling acute pain from a recent OTL investigation into their football team (MSM sensationalism at its best, IMO), many of them were ready to give Baker an unqualified benefit of the doubt (well, maybe slightly qualified).

One PSU fan I chatted with said, "Potential star, and I mean pro-bowler."  

Another added, "You have to think that he’s been significantly humbled by having to go through the free agent process."  No doubt about that, considering he was projected (even with his history) as a 3-4 rounder at worst.

I think this is saying something, considering Baker was one of four students who took the brunt of the heat for the campus altercation.

The more I talk to PSU fans and read about Chris Baker, the more I think we may have the steal of the draft.  Some boards were rating him higher than Ron Brace. He started on the Nittany Lion D line as a *sophomore*. At Hampton he regularly overpowered O-lines in a much less talent laden conference, as one would hope. And most importantly, he was a good teammate, an excellent student, and a law-abiding student.

After doing all this research, learning about him as a 6' tall 11 year old kid who grew up chasing the dream, learning that he's a Christian and has an iPod full of gospel music, understanding that he worked hard in his classes and excelled on the field, I for one am content to believe he has moved beyond whatever happened at PSU, and will be rooting for this kid to succeed and become the dominant NT we were dreaming of as picks dwindled away.  

 

* * * * * * * UPDATE * * * * * * * *

Hey everyone,

I just received the following comment on my post over at Black Shoe Diaries, and thought it was so insightful that I had to share it. 

This is Chris Baker's high school football coach (and history teacher) responding to my question about Chris's issues at Penn State.  Note that he talked with Chris just last night about joining Denver's D:

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Chris Baker at Penn State

I was the Defensive Coordinator for Chris at Windsor (CT) H.S. in 2003 and 2004. Chris is a fine student athlete, I also taught him in History class. Basically at PSU he was accused of being in 2 on campus fights. I think enough of Chris that I wrote a character letter on his behalf. However, due to the expenses of the legal process, Chris pled guilty to misdemeanors with the understanding that he would be able to continue his career at PSU--however once all the sht hit the fan (ESPN doing report on PSU supposedly being out of control last summer on OUtside the Lines)--Paterno responded by kicking 2 players off the team, one being Chris. I felt that Chris was treated unfairly, however he thrived at Hampton.

I really believe that the charges against Chris were against the character that I had grown to appreciate while having him as a player and student.

i spoke to him last night and he is fired up to start with a clean slate. He is a FREAK of an athlete and I think will make people in Denver very happy for years to come.

by coachcohen

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Clearly, he felt it was important for us Bronco fans to have an accurate picture of a player he cares about very much as an athlete, student, and person. 

This is about as good a testimonial as you could hope for, under the circumstances.  There's still a lot of work to be done, but personally I'm going to be rooting very hard for this kid to become our long term answer at NT.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Sure hope so!

Thanks for the research. Like you, I am very intrigued by Chris Baker.

by NedBronco on Apr 28, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

rec'd.

Great write up and research broncosmontana.

Hopefully he will dominate as a Bronco.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks guys

Wish I’d had a little more time for this, but I went over my lunch hour as it was. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good information about Chris

I feel better about the pick. Thanks for the research. Recommended.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Apr 28, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Thx for the rec

I feel better too. Wayyyy better. But of course, we’ll see how it all works out in the fall.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great report montana !! Rec'd

Chris should work very well with Carlton Powell who is also a devoted Christian.

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Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Apr 28, 2009 12:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Thx Mr Clark

Pass the holy kool-aid.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

We should have drafted him in the 1st!!

loljk

Don’t you know our front seven is our most glaring need?

loljk

by lolcopter on Apr 28, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

It is a little ironic

that Raji was also rumored to have “character issues” yet went as highly as he did. Guess it helps to have your coach come out and vouch for you. Unfortunately for Baker, Paterno didn’t really seem interested in doing the same. And actually, viewing the OTL segment, I felt a little sorry for Papa Joe.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice to see the cross-referencing of the Fan Base.

We always get the experts opinions… but I feel like learning from the fans that love their team was an excellent source to draw from. Of course there are a wide spectrum of fans thoughts, just like we have here. But it was nice to see their opinions on a guy that hadn’t played for them in a while. I felt it was pretty unbiased as they didn’t have a reason to defend or pump him up.

Great job… and thanks for sharing your link over there so we could read the conversations ourselves.

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by YellowStoneBronco on Apr 28, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

We have a really tight network

Color me very impressed with SB Nation. This is just one example. Nice to be able to tie into the fan perspective for unvarnished opinions and completely sidestep the MSM!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually thought we would draft him in the later rounds...

I was very pleased that we were able to sign him as a UFA. Training camp should be quite the battlefield this season. Survival of the fittest!

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Apr 28, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

as it should be!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Wesley Woodyard of the offseason

Needs some conditioning but could do very well rotating. He has to make the team though!

by maritimebronco on Apr 28, 2009 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Very true

but you have to like his odds, considering we don’t exactly have a glut at the NT position. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is what the sporting news had to say about Baker

War Room analysis
Strengths: Gives good effort and has power at the point of attack. Is adept at defeating blocks, shedding and making plays on the ball. Flashes pass-rush wiggle and hand use. Is a strong wrap tackler. Knows how to locate the football. Has tackle-to-tackle range. Plays like a student of the game. Is good at identifying run or pass. Can recognize blocking schemes and effectively disrupt run plays. Has good hand strength and explosion to handle linemen. Has bull-rush strength to collapse the pocket and flashes initial quickness against less athletic offensive tackles.

Weaknesses: Is a modest athlete in terms of speed, agility and quickness. Couldn’t be an effective outside pass rusher in the NFL. Looks stiff when he changes direction. Lacks closing speed to the QB and can’t make tackles outside the tackle box.

Bottom line: Baker was a solid college player. He can defeat single- and double-team blocks and make plays on the ball. He has good power and strength at the point of attack and is a solid competitor. Baker must play tackle in the NFL, because he does not have the range or speed to be an end. He will take time to develop and must be in the right system. He will likely be a late-round pick.

by mrwhite20 on Apr 28, 2009 2:49 PM MDT reply actions  

yep
Has tackle-to-tackle range

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has already made amends.

It’s a humbling feeling when a person gets knocked off their ‘high horse’, playing one of the top colleges in the country (PennSt) then the next thing you know you are at a small college (Hampton). He feels blessed that he was given a second chance, where some others might of went off in a deferent direction. We have our NT now, and maybe just maybe the MSM in a year or two will be saying BJ who, Ron who…It would be a good feeling for me to see this guy suceed. 13-3 Baby

by bfree2bronc on Apr 28, 2009 3:12 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm with you

all the way

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

and here's hoping

the local MSM will just let it go. Don’t expect they will, but here’s hoping.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Major Character Issues

I don’t know so much about Raji, but Brace and Orakpo seemed to me to be severly overvalued.

Most importantly, the more I read about Baker, the more I realize that he does have significant character issues. He’s humble, driven, devout, and team-oriented. Sounds like character to me.

I’m sure the Broncos aren’t the only team interested in signing Baker, but he chose Denver. Maybe it’s due to the fact that he has the best opportunity to make the team and see significant playing time in his rookie season. Maybe McDaniels let him know that he’s looking to fill his roster with positive team-oriented players and Baker wanted in.

I’m convinced that McDaniels wanted Baker because of, and not in spite of his character.

by Velveeta on May 3, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nicely said, V.

Thanks!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 12:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good value

I think a lot of people wanted to take a chance on him with a pick, so to get a player with such great potential with no liability is a no brainer.

by orangeandblueblood7 on Apr 28, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes, he mentioned in one of his interviews

that he’d had visits with the Cowboys and Patriots, and several other teams. Sounds like we were very lucky to pick him up once he became an UFA.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I guess I missed the story about how he got in trouble. Can someone fill me in.

Oh, and I know I need to change my sig, unfortunately.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Apr 28, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions  

If you follow the link in the post to Black Shoe Diaries

and review the threads, you’ll find links to the college newspaper article about his legal issues, as well as a link to the notorious OTL episode in which they somewhat sensationalized the incident in question. By all means, you’re all welcome to go review those items. I didn’t post them here because, frankly, my conclusion is that he has worked very hard to get past those issues and I really felt like I didn’t want to perpetuate them now that he’s a Bronco. IMHO, he has a bright future and deserves a clean slate. You’re welcome to form your own opinion about that, of course. But I’d encourage you to also review the comments by the PSU fans, and the results of the poll. Even though he was kicked off their team, most of them seem to hope for the best for the guy. That’s what clinched it for me.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Character Guys...

I LOVE that we’ve brought in a crew of “high character guys”. Moreno, Smith, Quinn and crew are great guys and I couldn’t be happier to have them.

But, somehow, this story with Chris Baker and the possibility of redemption for a kid who made some mistakes and had some bad luck has really captivated me. It doesn’t hurt that he plays such an important position, but I think it goes beyond that…

I may be setting myself up for heartbreak later (really), but I’m rooting for this kid more than probably any other.

by NedBronco on Apr 28, 2009 7:19 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno is the boss!

by stedtfeld on Apr 28, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

and hopefully it's the high character guys

that can help guys like Baker — and B Marsh — get the most from their opportunities.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 28, 2009 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

At first,

I didn’t like this pick, but now that I have heard he has turned himself around, I am happy to have him on the Broncos.

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno is the boss!

by stedtfeld on Apr 28, 2009 7:24 PM MDT reply actions  

Not a pick, a signing

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno is the boss!

by stedtfeld on Apr 28, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

during draft

I was looking for the best fit for a NT after brace was taken and I read that Baker had the right size and talent but character trouble so I turned to my dad and said I would not mind giving this guy a chance but McD probably won’t take him because of his character. I had just gotten done reading an article about how all of the first day picks realized they were either captains on their teams or just “good” people so I figured no way for Baker. Hopefully he has his act turned around for good and the best of luck to him.

by broncosforever on Apr 28, 2009 9:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Not sure if anyone saw this...

There was one more post over at Black Shoe Diaries today. This one was from one of Chris’ high school coaches (or claims to be). I think it is very positive and I remain extremely hopeful on this signing. : )

CoachCohen wrote:

Chris Baker at Penn State
I was the Defensive Coordinator for Chris at Windsor (CT) H.S. in 2003 and 2004. Chris is a fine student athlete, I also taught him in History class. Basically at PSU he was accused of being in 2 on campus fights. I think enough of Chris that I wrote a character letter on his behalf. However, due to the expenses of the legal process, Chris pled guilty to misdemeanors with the understanding that he would be able to continue his career at PSU…however once all the sht hit the fan (ESPN doing report on PSU supposedly being out of control last summer on OUtside the Lines)—-Paterno responded by kicking 2 players off the team, one being Chris. I felt that Chris was treated unfairly, however he thrived at Hampton.
I really believe that the charges against Chris were against the character that I had grown to appreciate while having him as a player and student.
i spoke to him last night and he is fired up to start with a clean slate. He is a FREAK of an athlete and I think will make people in Denver very happy for years to come.

by NedBronco on Apr 29, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Ah! I just saw that myself

and added a fanshot and updated the thread above! I should have known some intrepid, on-the-ball MHR poster would have beat me to it! I could have saved myself some work if I’d seen this! lol Nice job!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 29, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

background on Baker's dismissal

One of things that people unfamiliar with the situation at PSU should understand is the controversy surrounding the team at that time. Baker’s dismissal didn’t occur under normal circumstances. There were frequent stories being written and reports in the media around that time about the amount of criminal investigations of members of the football team. The issue, as many fans of PSU football saw it, was of an out of control football team, and there was a growing chorus of complaints about having lost the team to the wrong element, who were also purportedly the reason for PSU’s downturn in on-the-field success.

Baker’s punishment was part of this media circus.

Here’s an article, with excerpts below.

written July, 27, 2008 —

Since 2002, 46 Penn State football players have faced 163 criminal charges, according to an ESPN analysis of Pennsylvania court records and reports. Twenty-seven players have been convicted of or have pleaded guilty to a combined 45 counts.

these criminal charges coincide with concerns from a former player, a recruiting analyst, local media and others that Penn State has pursued recruits who are good athletes but might have questionable character issues, in order to improve performance. The team under head coach Joe Paterno faced an unprecedented four out of five losing seasons from 2000 to 2004.

Paterno says the allegations about recruiting are simply not true.

“We tried to get kids that were good, solid kids,” the coach said. “We may have made a mistake or two, but there was no deliberate attempt.”
One of the more extreme incidents was the April 2007 melee at the apartment, in which Britt was injured. Originally, six players faced nine felonies and 18 lesser charges. The courts dismissed counts against four players and allowed the remaining two to plead guilty to misdemeanor offenses. …
…According to court documents and witness statements, here’s how the incident played out: Britt and two friends got into an argument with Penn State safety Anthony Scirrotto and his girlfriend on the street. That confrontation ended with Britt and his friends walking to a party at a nearby apartment and Scirrotto calling his teammate Lydell Sargeant. Scirrotto said about 15 guys then showed up.

The football players found the apartment and, according to Britt and other witness reports, rushed in and started punching and beating partygoers.

It’s not clear what actually happened in the fight but Baker was charged because a number of witnesses were able to agree that he was present. Other players were also present but testimony as to who started the fight and why differed. The media reports, such as this one by ESPN’s Behind the Lines, cast the story in light of PSU’s on-the-field failures during that period and Paterno’s willingness to recruit players of suspect character (sound familar?).

by Colinski on May 3, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions  

further clarification

Upon further reading; I see that the issue wasn’t simply about a losing team (although I recall PSU’s football team had suffered through a down period sometime around this time), but about a team that had sacrificed its standards by recruiting the wrong type of athlete in order to experience success.

These criminal charges coincide with concerns from a former player, a recruiting analyst, local media and others that Penn State has pursued recruits who are good athletes but might have questionable character issues, in order to improve performance. The team under head coach Joe Paterno faced an unprecedented four out of five losing seasons from 2000 to 2004.

by Colinski on May 3, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

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