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The math behind McDaniels

In wake of the Cutler saga and everything that the new coach has done to rattle some of us Bronco fans and certainly the local sports radio market, I've been forced to dig into last years stats and see what lies beneath the surface of our defense and offensive rankings.

We all know

Offense YPG -396 (2nd) Points/g - 23.1 (16th)

Defense YPG - 374.6 (29th) Points/g - 28.0 (30th)

At first glance it is clear that our offense accumulated a lot of yards, but struggled to put the ball in the end zone and between the uprights. The defense, well, was no better than 3rd worst any way you look at it.

Naturally, our first reaction would be find a way to stick the ball in the endzone and take drastic action to improve the defense in any way possible.

Below are some stats, split into games we won and games we lost

                                   W                      L

Offense  YPG       423                 377

Offense PPG       30.75               15.5

Defense YPG       375                  372

Defense PPG       22.6                 33.3

Off. ToP                  30.37               26.75    (avg, 28.75 (the decimal is 10ths of a minute, not seconds)

From this breakdown we can see that offense always put up big yards, but scored half as many points in losses. The defense, consistently gave up about 375 ypg but 50% more points in losses.  So, both sides consistently gave up big yards, but there is a bigger difference in the offensive scoring than in the defenses ability to keep points off the scoreboard.

The Offense clearly struggles to put the ball in the endzone, even while racking up big yardage

The Deffense just couldn't stop anyone.

So, which is worse? Is the poor defense responsible for the additonal burden on Jay and cause for 18 interceptions? Is their inability to stop anything why Jay had so much pressure to force throws and carry the team on his back?..maybe.

If you look at ToP (Time of Posession), When winning the offense and defense were, on average, on the field for 30 min. each. When losing, the defense was on the field for 6.5 minutes longer than when they were winning. 6 of the worst 16 defenses in the NFL had ToP in their favor.

However, this does not solve anything. It is equally as important for the defense to get off the field as it is for the offfense to sustain drives and keep the opposing defense on the field. So who is worse?

                                                          W                      L                        avg

Offensive time/ drive               3.05 min.             2.45 min           2.77 min

Defensive time/drive               2.96 min              3.06 min          2.99 min

 

There is not much difference in time per drive against the Broncos Defense, but there is a substantial difference in the offense drive time wins and loses. The defense had less time to rest in between drives.

Further

                                                                W                  L

Offensive TO's and 3 n' outs                 28                52

Defensive TO's and 3 n' outs              39                  31

 

In conclusion, it is clear that our defense was just not good last year, but it was not as aweful as it appears. The offense did little to support it's defense by turning the ball over and failing to sustain drives. The offensive production was inflated by poor field position which had the opposite effect on the defense.

So, when McDaniels suggest that the offense and special teams need just as much improvement as the defense, he has a point and there is legit data to back it up.

This being said, improving time of posession, field position and offensive turnovers will only do so much to help the defense, it is clear that last years defense was below average. So it still puzzles me as to why didn't we throw 1 or two more pics at our front seven?

McDaniels sees promise in your young front 7. There are not many defensive lineman that make a big impact in their first two years. The 'busts' Thomas, Moss and Crowder are entering their third year of service. Dumerville is entering his 4th. From the last years D line, only K. Peterson and Ekuban have more than 4 years of service.  

According to ESPN.com..

The Steelers have 7 D lineman with 5 years of service or more

Redskins have 7

Patriots have 6

Giants have 5

Ravens have 4

Eagles have 4

 

Reggie Hayward had 8.5 and then 11.5 sacks starting in his 3rd year

Bertrand Berry didn't have more than 6 sacks in a season until his 5th year

Trevor Price's first 4 years went like this: 2, 8.5, 13, 12 sacks.

 

This obviously isn't the sole reason for the defensive woes in Denver, but you get the point. McDaniels obviously sees something in what we have here to not make some kind of move for more help on the D line via the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we are all surprised next fall.

Use the force young Jedi

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Good stuff. Thanks!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 28, 2009 5:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Time of possession

This is an interesting slant on things that I haven’t seen before. It drives me crazy when fans think last years problems were all about the defense. Clearly we need help in the offense, defense and perhaps most of all in the special teams which no one seems to be commenting on.

by Ponderosa on Apr 28, 2009 5:06 PM MDT reply actions  

My Favorite

Math!

Thanks for crunching all the numbers so I don’t have to.

Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.

by Kfustud on Apr 28, 2009 5:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank you!

I really appreciate that stats lining up the affect of the offense’s TOP and turnovers on wins and losses. Very telling.

by Leukadian on Apr 28, 2009 5:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I like it

But if you think McDaniels has faith in the front seven, what stock do you put in the trying to trade Crowder and Moss rumor that has been reported, just curious.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 28, 2009 5:29 PM MDT reply actions  

They are still on the team...

I don’t know. It’s just a rumor and IMO it is no more of a rumor than the Broncos trading up to draft Sanchez. The rumor came up during or right before the draft. Possibly it was just smoke to misdirect the Broncos real intentions of what players they wanted.

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 28, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Broncoman...come on....they are rumors....

And it also does not mean he does not have faith in front 7….he just does not have faith in those guys adjusting ad being play makers!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 28, 2009 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will say though it's a chicken and the egg scenerio

Yes the offense hurt the defense sometimes, but the defense and ST really did nothing to help the offense that significantly, to me it was the motto, just score more points and hopefully the D can stop them enough, not a great stratagy, but then again, that’s what an 8-8 team is usally.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 28, 2009 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

chicken...egg....chicken..

I think most people just assumed the defense sucked and the offense was awesome. My point was simply to make an argument against. Again, I’m NOT letting the D off the hook, they were not good, but they were not bad enough to justify blowing up the whole team and starting from scratch.

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 28, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Good post

and good research. Thank you LnM.
Rec’d

My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season

by KaptainKirk on Apr 28, 2009 6:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Loved the research

Thanks. It helps me get a better look at what Coach McD may have been looking at going into the draft

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on Apr 28, 2009 6:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent work

You clearly put a lot of time and effort into this post, and it has paid off. You make some fine points via some fascinating statistics. The short drives and poor time of possession are huge – hopefully we can return to a powerful running game, like we had until 2005. You know, when everyone in the building knew we were about to hand the ball off, yet we still got our 5 yards?

Rec’d for sure.

by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 28, 2009 6:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Dude, this an excellent post.

Great job in looking at some thing that many dont.
This research backs up somtehing I have felt in my gut for a while….they are happy with D Lineman and underperformance has been thru bad coaching and scheming and less to do with talent.
Awesome and rec’d!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 28, 2009 7:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I wish I'd been readin this site during the season last year...

numbers and analysis from fans like you (and me) would have helped me make sense of (and survive) it all.

Thanks!

by NedBronco on Apr 28, 2009 7:08 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah

now if only last year’s coaching staff had read this post during the season, too.

by bailey disciple on Apr 28, 2009 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was strnge

no one could figure out what was going on. hoosierteacher and I went back and forth in emails trying to come to some conclusion about what the defense was doing, but we were never comfortable with the analysis. Finally HT just said they weren’t running anything, they just seemed ot be throwing stuff on the wall to see what would stick.

Somewhere, the orange crush rolled over in its grave last year…. I’m hoping for a ressurection…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 28, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is a really interesting line of thought...

That is, the evolution of Shanahan’s defensive philosophy over the years and what impact that had in the team’s rise and then eveling off at the end.

Personally, I’m not sure that Shanahan ever had a defensive philosophy per se. His approach seemed to be “we’re going to score a bunch of points and let’s see if you can keep up with us”. His offense during the first 10 years or so was always dynamic and designed to score early and thereby make the other team’s offense more one dimensional. He usually was able to serve up a pretty good defense by plugging in good players here and there with some occasional good coaching, and relying mostly on his offense to control the clock and the game.

He hit a brick wall when the Colts beat us down several years in a row by by using his game plan from the late 1990s against him, and he seemed to lose his bearings as he adjusted the team to try to beat the Colts. He seemed to realize that unless he found another stud QB we would never beat the Colts at “that” game. He had some limited success with this approach culminating in 2005, but by the next year we lost Al Wilson and the D fell apart rapidly after that. Even when Shanahan was placing increased emphasis on the defense in winning games, the defense never seemed to have the overall level of talent and coaching that the offense had, especially on the D line. Also, it seems to me that every time we did develop a new player we let him go in free agency (e.g. Hayward, Berry, Pryce) which leads me to believe that Shanahan either undervalued the position and did not have the coaching staff in place necessary to recruit and develop good players and maintain a high level of play on the line. In the end, he was left grasping at straws on both the D line and in the secondary, and the overall level of defensive talent and productivity was severely degraded.

I know most would say I have drunk the KoolAid, but I have not been happy with all of the changes we have seen or all of the picks in the draft. However, it seems reasonable to conclude that it was time for a coaching change because the old approach was no longer working. With Bowlen as the owner, we were always certain that we would get an energetic, intelligent, hard working new coach. We just didn’t know we would be getting a coach who would enter his job with such a “damn the torpedoes” approach. We have seen an incredible makeover of the team so far, and I understand those who are bemoaning all of the changes and uncertainty. However, I am excited by this new approach, and I like what I see so far.

I’m still not so sure that we are going to have a defensive philosophy right away, though. That may take a few years to develop. At this point I’ll settle for a deep and talented team with solid coaching and player development at all positions. I hope that’s what we’ve got this year.

BTW – nice post Ln’M & rec’d

by anotherNYCbroncofan on Apr 29, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great reply and Rec'd

My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season

by KaptainKirk on Apr 30, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lean & Mean ... nice work

This is the type of post’s I love. Nice research and good overall points. Rec’d with pleasure!

Moreno in 2009! - Check
Taylor Mays in 2010!

by Steve O' on Apr 28, 2009 7:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice job Lean N' Mean,

the stats don’t lie and therein the truth lies. Well then…13-3 Baby, I’m on the band wagon.

by bfree2bronc on Apr 28, 2009 7:48 PM MDT reply actions  

lol

well I won’t 100% agree that the stats don’t lie…(the presentation of numbers can be misleading). I will say that those numbers make a heckuvalotta sense. My husband and I were at the Raiders game in Denver last year. I’m not one to walk out on a game, but we walked out on that one. Not when the D gave up more points. We walked out when the O showed no fire at all and Jay threw yet another interception. It was pretty disgusting.

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 28, 2009 7:58 PM MDT reply actions  

oh and great post. Rec'd!

thanks for breaking it down by TOP. Very informative! :-)

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 28, 2009 7:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Great research...

I’m truly praying for an offense that’s on the field alot more than this. I believe the players are in place for this to happen. Sure, being able to move down the field in 4 plays is exciting to watch, but not finishing those drives is just painful.

I kinda compare it to Mizzou, or any other Big 12 spread offense for that matter. Defense has no time to rest so by the 4th quarter you need to be winning by 30 or it could all come crashing down LOL.

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

by Broncotodd on Apr 29, 2009 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

More evidence that McD's balanced attack is what the broncos need

Last years d may not have been a product of sub par players as much as sub par, uninspired coaching for the last couple years. We never committed to a defensive philosophy and the the d were “second class citizens.” Similarly on offense, we tended to abandon the run early and often, hence racking up #2 in league passing yards and becoming predictable to defenses. In the process we put more stress on an already weak defense by reducing top and throwing more ints. Not to mention worst st. If McD can balance things like he wants to it can only lift the d up.

by BigskyBronco on Apr 29, 2009 9:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes

two critical quotes which we have to give enormous weight to:

DJ, about halfway through last season, “We don’t really know what we are supposed to be doingout there.”

Champ after the Cutler trade (you used this one already), “There is no more second class citizens now.”

That is two great players indicting a staff that was gutted before a new head coach had even been found. There is a link between nepotism, cronyism and ineptness, and we saw it ifrst hand.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 29, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

DJ and Champ...spoke volumes

The Broncos defense would be better this year even if no changes of players had been made – the coaching was abysmal last year. Then, when you look at the many new players (Dawkins!) you gotta be seeing a vastly better defense.

Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance

by bradley on Apr 29, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

An additional point

There is obviously a relationship between the running game and ToP. Our running back core was plagued with injuries, so it would be fair to argue that our ToP was bad only because we had no running game after early November.
Actually our average ToP improved by almost a full minute over the last 5 games.

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 29, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

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