Denver Runningback Contracts
The biggest knock on 1st round pick Knowshon Moreno hasn't been his abilities, or is placement as a first round pick...but rather, the fact that Denver signed several draft picks prior to the draft.
I'll hold my opinion for later, but I believe an examination of what Denver is on the hook for with the current RB stable is in order.
LaMont Jordan
Two years, $2.5 million, $500,000 guaranteed.
J.J. Arrington
Four years, $10 million, $1.8 million guaranteed.
Correll Buckhalter
Four years, $10 million, $1.8 million guaranteed.
Selvin Young
One year, $460,000 (none guaranteed)
Ryan Torain
Four years, $1.903 million, $198,000 guaranteed (one year into this deal)
Peyton Hillis
Four years, $1.755 million, $49,800 guaranteed (one year into this deal)
Andrew Pinnock
One year, $620,000
Now, my thoughts. The arguement of "why draft Moreno, when so many other RBs are on the roster!" rings hollow. Quantity does not equal quality, and there isn't a back listed here that couldn't be cut.
LaMont Jordan seems like an insurance/tutor signing. If other backs can't handle the load, Jordan is there. Jordan can be an example to the other backs of how things are done. But if he's leap-frogged on the depth chart, his cap hit is VERY managable.
JJ Arrington isn't going to set the world on fire. But he could be a good backup and solid kick returner. The $1.8 million guaranteed hit isn't great, but not debilitating.
Buckhalter will probably be what he was in Philly: a solid back-up. Good insurance, especially after what we all witnessed in Denver last year.
Pinnock is a blocking fullback. Easily kept if he's good, easily dropped if he isn't.
Selvin Young is probably gone. I like him, and I was appreciative of his awareness in knocking a fumble out-of-bounds two years ago in Buffalo...but I don't think he can beat out anyone else.
I would be SHOCKED if Hillis goes anywhere. McDaniels has already stated that they will be looking to use Hillis where ever they can. I like this. More cowbell, more Hillis.
Ryan Torain is on the bubble. Reports have him still out of practice, and that won't help his case. He'll have to show he can add something that another back can't...otherwise, he'll be let go with barely a cap hit.
But the biggest question, for ANY player, is this: can that player help the team win? Moreno has the vision and insticts to thrive in Denver's running game. He can run, he can block, and he is pratically another WR in the passing game. Coupled with a Peyton Hillis in a two-back set...the mind races while thinking of the options (both stay back, but who rushes...or is it a pass? One or the other motions out...is it a run or a pass? BOTH motion out and are effective receivers...a two-back set with a TE in close becomes five-wide!) Moreno will be an asset to the Denver Broncos.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Moreno in 2009! - Check
Taylor Mays in 2010!
by Steve O' on Apr 28, 2009 8:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
What is the worst cap hit if three get cut?
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by littletinybroncos on Apr 28, 2009 8:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Moreno isn't one of the cuts :o)
$4.1 million in guarantees if Jordan, Arrington, and Buckhalter are all cut. Might be more; I’m not sure if they get any pro-rated portion of their 2009 salaries in addition.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the CBA were still in effect
the cap hit could actually be spread out over two years. I’m not sure how it works in the interim. It’s another one of those MSM memes that takes on a life of its own.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 28, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You
Good posting Disco Stu. Have a Duff, on me.
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by KaptainKirk on Apr 28, 2009 8:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
selvin and lamont gone
It certainly seems like young and jordan won’t make the team barring injuries. torain on the fence too.
by bushwah on Apr 28, 2009 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't argue that Moreno was a waste, just that I think you could get the same
production with a player later in the draft and not pay as much. Just because a guy is a 1st round pick doesn’t equate to production. I will throw the following idea up, what if last year we had a choice between McFadden and Clady? I am sure that there would be mad howling of why we would let McFadden (arguably a much better prospect than Moreno) go over a OT. Lets also say instead of Torain we had taken a guy like Steve Slaton or Matt Forte later. The point is that RB value can be had throughout the draft. Maybe Moreno was graded out like LT or AP (doubtful) since teams wouldn’t be willing to let those types of players slip to 20 or so, if that is truly the case and he has that type of impact then it was a good pick, but if he has Lawrence Maroony or similar type production then it was a wasted pick, time will tell on that.
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by Broncoman on Apr 28, 2009 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My take here
If a team doesn’t have an elite player at either position, I think you take the elite LT over the elite RB, simply because the LT can impact far MORE of the offense than the RB can.
But Denver HAS an elite LT…in fact, the whole line is exceptional. The receivers are talented…no issues there. The RBs are decent, and I think Denver could make do with the pre-draft group. But Moreno (at least in my opinion) caps it all off. He has the ability to do SO many things at a high level, especially when coupled with exceptional talent all around.
Moreno alone might not be able to make an offense (I don’t think ANY player can, save for the rare all-time-greats like Elway), but he can take an offense that is already good to new levels.
Agreed, however, on the Maroney point. I’m assuming that Moreno will have a solid first-round impact. Maroney hasn’t impressed, frankly.
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by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also disagree JJ is a good backup, nothing has shown he can actually play
RB effectively in this league, I would actually say he has a bigger chance of being cut, the guarenteed contract bugs me on that one, since his production so far in this league does not merit that much guarenteed money (IMO).
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by Broncoman on Apr 28, 2009 8:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I could see that
I’ve heard decent (not great, but decent) things about his kick returning. I’m keeping him on for depth and and KR only. I could very well be wrong on that, and it wouldn’t shock me too much.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one RB set.
I remember reading something about McDaniels talking about Arrington in the SuperBowl, and how he was the only back that was in the game for Arizona in the 4th quarter., even when the Steelers were coming with pressure. I think the fact that he can return kicks, while also being able to pick up pressure as a situational RB, will keep him on this team.
by NFL Junky on Apr 28, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a role player
It’s just that his role isn’t to gain 1000 yrds from the backfield.
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by odarol on Apr 28, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh did you watch the Super Bowl????
Arrington was signed because he is a good receiver out of the backfield as well as a good blocker when he stays in. Also he understands the read-block concept that McD will probably want to install.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 28, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking.
I say we keep 5 backs: Moreno, obviously, will start at RB. Hillis will not go anywhere, and he will start at HB (H-Back) and catch 40 passes. Buckhalter and Jordan will be our insurance backs, and spell Moreno when he gets tired. That leaves Torain and Pinnock to duke it out for the last spot. If Torain makes it back in time for camp and goes 100%, then I say he makes it, leaving Hillis or Jordan to take over the fullbacking duties. If not, then we keep Pinnock and start him there.
I don’t see us using a lot of a traditional fullback. I think we’ll run a lot of 1 back stuff, or use Moreno and Hillis out of the same formation. So, I think that ultimately makes Pinnock expendable by default.
WE GOT MORENO!!!!
by papigrande on Apr 28, 2009 9:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Torain PuP
We can put Torain on the PuP list to start the season to give us some flexibility on the 53 man roster. If someone goes down in the first 6 weeks then we can activate him, if not another couple of months on the IR would probably do him good anyways. But it can at least delay a cut for that time period.
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by Darin H on Apr 28, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Although, if Torain can’t show anything to the current coaching staff, I have doubts he’ll make it through training camp.
But then again, the staff may like what little they’ve seen and decide to PUP him. Valid point!
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Stu! Rec'd!
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by boydy2669 on Apr 28, 2009 9:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
More cowbell, more Hillis.
Is my favorite line I have ever read on MHR. Can we just nickname Hillis “Cowbell” and be done with it? Because, obviously, you can never have enough cowbell.
by NFL Junky on Apr 28, 2009 9:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't take credit
I can’t say where it started, but the Hillis/Cowbell thing has been going one for awhile now. I loved it as well…let’s keep it going!
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to whoever started it:,
It is awesome. Way to keep it going, and great post on breaking down the RB situation.
by NFL Junky on Apr 28, 2009 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Christopher Walken
but how he knew about Hillis is beyond me. Try searching on “Hillis = Cowbell”
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 28, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I have a fever"
“And the only prescription…is more cowbell…and a side of HILLIS!”
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't it start in the jets game?
Or maybe the Miami one? It was one of those two
LET THE DRAFT BEGIN
by robbo650 on Apr 28, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta have more Hillis!

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by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ Arrington
He’s a guy who doesn’t get any love from the fanbase. That’s understandable – they haven’t seen him play. If you only look at his carries, it’s not an exciting prospect. But they are a fraction of the story.
Our field position ranked us dead (very dead) last in the league, one factor in long, stalled drives. Arrington brings over 900 return yards last year alone. He’s also an excellent blocker on passing downs, but he’s got a fine skillset as a receiver out of the backfield. Given those three characteristics, he has the versatility to contribute in several phases of the game next year.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 28, 2009 10:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't say I know much
I watched the Super Bowl…but I get too into the event and miss details, so I rely on the reviews of other MHR members. However, my bet is on Arrington making the team as a blocking back on third and long, and as a kick returner.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrington
According to McDaniels, Arrington is a valuable 3rd down back who can run, block and recieve. He did state the for the entire 4th quarter comeback made by Arizona, Arrington was the sole back on the field for Arizona. They had that much confidence in what he could do.
I’d say Arrington is a lock to be here come September unless 4 other backs simply beat him out and I don’t see that happening. Say good by to Torain, Young and maybe Buckhalter since I think Moreno will take over his planned role in the offense.
"Now we have them where we want them"
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by AlanC on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If Buckhalter learns
I see Jordan going instead, as he has the cheaper cap hit. I think Young is gone…no insult to the man, just a question of numbers.
Torain is in the air. IMO, the battle for the last couple RB spots will be fierce, but I think Torain will need to be healthy and competing to win a spot.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 28, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan, Young and likely Torain are gone by week 1… I think we have a lot of bodies for TC, but if they all stay healthy – those 3 are out the door.
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by Mile High Mania on Apr 29, 2009 4:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Torian
Is he eligible for the practice squad?
by _PBRmeASAP_ on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Torain
Pretty sure he would be eligible for the PS, but he might get snagged. Maybe his knee injury will linger enough for him to be put on the PUP, making him eligible to return after 6-8 weeks.
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by bradley on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade bait
saw somebody on ESPN recommending the Saints trade for him ASAP.
I hope not. I liked was one half of play last year. Would love to see more from him in Orange & Blue.
by CoastalBronco on Apr 29, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought that came to mind from no where...
All this speculating is so much fun is it not?
So here I go… and understanding there are endless variables that will undoubtedly make all this irrelevant…
If our stable of running backs stay healthy… knock on wood… is it too much of a reach to think we may be able trade one of them as opposed to cutting them? Opening up a roster spot while adding a pick (or some picks) to next year’s draft (that many are obviously not happy about) seems like a win-win from our point of view? (and it is a given that other teams will NEED a running back at some point due to extenuating circumstances…).
Like a said… just a thought…
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we stuff a spell for each type of back
Final five
Hillis
Torain
Moreno
Arrington
Buckhalter
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by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do we send condolences to Jordan now or later?
His situation is interesting. He is allegedly brought in to help “teach” the “Patriot Way” while claiming in an interview to be one of the best backs in the league.
We keep him through training camp to fulfill his teaching obligations and then say thanks, but no thanks? (muhhahahaha)
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds cold doesn't it?
But Jordan has been around long enough to be a pro about it, and he’d find work pretty soon anyway. I don’t think McD had any inkling we’d land Moreno when he signed Jordan, Buckhalter, and Arrington.
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by bradley on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you there...
Just look at Disco Stu’s comment below… the situation is really nothing new once we take a second to think about it.
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
McD had no inkling that he would have 2 first round picks.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 29, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation is fun!
I like the trade scenario, and I don’t think it’s that far-fetched. Really, this is almost identical to the situation at WR from LAST year: Denver signs a bunch of WRs, then drafts position Eddie Royal, causing a bunch of “it’s not a need, why did they do that?” confusion. Royal turns out to be good (making the assumption about Moreno here), Seattle becomes to WRs what Denver was to RBs, and Denver ends up with a 5th round pick for Keary Colbert.
But as you said, there are endless variables here…but that’s what makes for fun speculation.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for providing a precedent.
Sounds eerily familiar to last year…
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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