An MHR University Special - Building Your Rep at MHR
So you want to be a sportswriter? Perhaps you just want to be noticed more at MHR. Maybe you want to write some of the articles that get linked at Sports Illustrated, or to interview your favorite player, or get invited to the draft?
It's all possible. At MHR, your dreams can come true. We at MHR pride ourselves on providing a service that everyone can jump on.
- For the fan - a place to come and read, write, discuss, debate, ponder, predict, analyze, learn, and teach about the Denver Broncos and football.
- To rise above the nasty message boards of mainline media publications, where folks insult and degrade each other.
- To create an atmosphere that is family friendly, appealing to young and old alike.
- To create a "family" atmosphere, where friendships blossom, and members take a genuine interest in each other.
- To provide the most up-to-date, accurate, and best-analyzed news and reports on the Denver Broncos.
- To provide multiple, daily stories for the membership; ensuring that there is never a day without several articles to read.
- For the Broncos organization, we provide an unofficial outreach to fans beyond just the borders of Colorado. Our membership is global, with fans from around the world.
And how do we do this? The secret ingredients come from our Chief Editor and leader, Guru. Here is his special approach:
- The site is always for and about the members, not the staff. The staff keeps things moving along, and serves the membership. But the members will always be the true, driving force. Front page stories are nice, but the conversations they generate are the heart and soul of the site. FanPosts and FanShots are where the majority of MHR's expression come from, and a recommended FanPost gets longer exposure than even the front page.
- Respect is key. Newcomers (many from the hate boards of other media), learn quickly that we don't tolerate personal attacks. We all enjoy a good debate, but we don't allow full-blown arguing.
- Accessibility is a priority. At MHR, if you like what you read (or even if you don't), you have a direct line to the writer. More importantly, he or she will respond to you. Try that with a mainstream-media sports-site, magazine, or radio show!
Currently, the Denver Broncos are having a crisis between the new coach and the franchise QB. This has brought in a lot of folks to check out MHR. Awesome! But some of the strong feelings about the team's situation have started to spill over to the site. No problem. We're going to weather that, and here's how...
Below the fold, we're going to explore several ideas. We're going to show how YOU can be a better sportswriter, a better commentator, and a better member. If we each follow the guidelines below on how to "fit in" at MHR, we can each bring our respective talents and gifts to the table and make the experience a better one for everyone.
Read on...
Each member of MHR has a special gift (or gifts), and we are grateful for any that can be shared. Before we flesh out your gifts, let's look at what some folks bring to the table.
I'll never be the writer that Styg50 is. Styg has a special gift for writing, in addition to his skills with computer software and his incredible mind. Styg is very rare, in that he has a mind for science and the arts at the same time. I'm dabbling with some novels, but Styg will get published before I do, and get rich at it.
On the other hand, I have gifts as well. I've coached football at the HS level, and was lucky to be with a program that sent us to some amazing seminars with presentations from pro- and college-level coaches. I'm more of a technical writer, covering Xs and Os during the season, and writing educational pieces in the reloading season. My background as a former teacher helps me get difficult concepts across to experienced and novice football fans alike, and I'm proud of that. My passion is covering the different styles (or systems) that teams use.
MHR is also blessed to have TedBartlett. Ted knows Xs and Os like I do, so MHR has two in-depth analysts. But where I have a background as a defensive coordinator, Ted knows offense. Ted also has something that I don't - a complete multimedia "film room" setup that he can use to break down and analyze games and players. Together, Ted and I provide work for fans that you just don't get from mainstream sound-bites.
Then there's Zappa. Zappa is the "kid" on the staff. He's there because of his pure, unadulterated passion. He bleeds blue and orange. When a troll visits our site and attacks our team, someone gets assigned to hold Zappa back. If Zappa had been at the Garden of Gesthemene, he would have been the guy cutting off the soldier's ear in defense of Christ. Zappa writes the history articles for MHR, displaying a special affection for those who went before him.
BroncoBear is a physician. Few things are as valuable as having a doctor around to discuss sports. Medical issues are a daily point, whether we are discussing the Mile High altitude, injuries, conditioning, or drills. In addition to his medical background, Bear is also one of those genuine author-types. Like Styg, Bear writes articles that read like poetry.
There are many more names amongst the staff and membership. News gatherers like NYCBroncosFan and Mdierk, opinion-piece artists like Nickt84, graphic artists like Sirsam, optimists like Mike Clark, wise sages like FirstFan, lawyers like TrinidadJack and Bradley, and even salary-cap experts like MattR, etc. And let us not forget leaders like Guru. There are many ways to contribute.
Let's look at three ways to use your gifts. First: writing skills.
Writing Skills
Chicks dig guys with skills. Nunchucks skills, Bo Staff skills, and other Napoleon Dynamite skills. Those aren't what I'm talking about.
From a previous article I wrote:
What makes a good diary?
First, diaries aren't a competition. Never worry about if your diary is as good as someone else's. Write what you think is pertinent to football or the Broncos without worrying about if it is "professional enough".
Next, keep on top of the comments in your diary. If someone takes the time to write a comment, consider commenting back. Be sure to thank folks who give you or your diary a kind word.
If someone disagrees with something you wrote, take it as a compliment! Agreement or disagreement isn't a commentary on your work, it's a conversation. And people converse on interesting diaries whether or not they agree on the content.
Plus, whenever you create a discussion in the comments threads you are increasing the comments in your diary. Many members go to read anything that has a new comment, whether the diary is to their liking or not.
How important are the number of comments you get?
In terms of the site they are very important because the comments sections (where members get together to post) are the heart and soul of the site. But in terms of self worth comment counts mean nothing.
Notice how the godfather of MHR (Guru himself) will sometimes post a front page story and it receives zero comments. Is he any less of a writer? Or how about the Mdierk "Horse Tracks" articles that may not generate a ton of comments. It clearly isn't a grade on someone's work.
I recently got well over a hundred comments in a recent article I wrote, but around half of the comments were personal attacks against me and our team, and the rest (for the most part) were folks trying to reason with someone who was more concerned with arguing for the sake of arguing. I jokingly commented that I was grateful to the offending (since banned) person for my comment count, but in truth I was disappointed that there was little discussion about my article. In this case, the high comment count meant zero towards the value of my article (just as low counts mean zero towards other articles).
If you must be concerned with how many people read your diary, add a poll. People love to have their opinions heard, and polls are hard for most members to pass up on taking part in. I have written diaries with very few comments, but many, many poll contributors. I knew I was getting read!
How important is spelling, grammar, and other English stuff like that?
Do your best, and don't worry beyond that. We have some foreign members of MHR who do a great job, and nobody notices any errors. In fact, it is bad manners to point out if someone makes a mistake(s). The better you do, the easier the diary is to read. But we're family here, and we all recognize that there are different backgrounds involved. I'm a pretty educated guy, and I was even a teacher once upon a time ago, but I make my share of mistakes.
This isn't English class. It's a place to share about your favorite team and sport. Just do your best.
Having Class
From a different article I wrote, here are 10 guidelines on how to earn respect in the MHR family:
- Be humble. There are a lot of sharp folks here with a lot of expertise in areas ranging from coaching to law to salary cap rules to combine evaluations. There are also a lot of wise experts, those who realize that they don't know everything. The best experts are the humble ones.
- Ask as many questions as you answer. I get a lot of questions in some of the stories I write up for MHR. It makes me feel good to be able to answer questions for folks (if I know the answer). But I also realize that there are a lot of things that I want to learn, and I also realize that other people like to be asked questions too.
- Speak up! People want to hear from you. Never be afraid of giving your view, asking a question, or giving an answer. This is a friendly place, and nobody should feel that what they have to say may be ignorant.
- If you write a diary, try to respond to comments that you get. People enjoy the chance to speak to authors (something they can't always do on sports media sites).
- Don't ever feel that your diary isn't valued because it might not get a lot of comments. Comments are not a grading system. One of the best front page stories at MHR is "Horse Tracks", where MHR members can get all of their Broncos news. It doesn't always get a lot of comments, but several people have MHR set as their front page on their home PC because of the Broncos news they get from Horse Tracks.
- Be quick to thank people, and be quick to say "I don't know" when you don't know.
- Even if you disagree, do it with respect. I like to find things I agree with when I write about something I disagree with. Also, try to know the difference between "fact" and "opinion". As a coach, I might know that a certain term used in football has a certain meaning, so that is a "fact". But I'm always careful to realize that even an informed view of play calling or position evaluation is "opinion". I have a lot of "informed views" on things relating to football, but they are still just opinions and no better than anyone else's.
- Trash talk is fun, but it can get over the top. Never make trash talk personal, and try to keep it "on site" (in other words, don't pee on someone else's carpet; AKA don't go to another site to trash talk someone else's team). It invites flame wars back to this site. Friendly trash talk is always good stuff though (I personally refuse to capitalize "oakland" or "raiders", and encourage you to do the same).
- Have a sense of family. This site has members from around the world, young and old, men and women, fans who are new to the game and fans who have have studied aspects of the game for years. We have a class act leader in our editor/radio show host Guru, a great group of editors who share his passion for the Broncos and the MHR family, and the best members of any sports blog going. Be proud of your site. It belongs to you, and you are the reason the site is so valuable. The front page stories bring people in, but the diaries and the comments sections are the true heart and soul of the site.
- Have fun! We're glad you're here, and we're dying to hear from you.
Find Your Gift
It doesn't matter who you are, YOU have a gift to bring to the table.
- Have you played football? I'll bet you have stories to tell. Folks love football stories.
- Been to a game? Tell us about it! Many folks have never been to one.
- Just learning the game? Write a post about your question (no question is too simple), because a lot of other people are wondering the same thing. The conversation you generate will be tremendous!
- Don't know what to write about? Find a news story from Horse Tracks, or even a comment from a story that you can expand upon. When the staff puts up front page stories, we're generating material for folks to expand on in their own posts.
- Don't want to write a post, but enjoy what you read? Compliment the writers in the comments sections! You are providing a valuable service if this is something you enjoy doing. The staff and members don't get paid, but we DO live for the kind words that others send our way.
- Have ideas for site technical improvements? E-mail Guru! SBN's technical support staff is first rate, and they incorporate ideas from site editors in new versions. (Push for spell check! That's my big request!)
Briefly, there are three things to stay away from. With the recent controversy surrounding Cutler - Cook - McDaniels, we are getting a lot of FanPosts that are only one or two short paragraphs long, and they are "expanded comments" instead of a true write-up. These posts bump down other posts that folks have put a lot of hard work into. If your post could be used as a comment in someone else's post, do that instead. If your post can't muster more than a few sentences, use the FanShots section.
Also, name-calling is classless. The staff hates to delete material because the site is considered a "fan-run site". But name-calling brings the quality level of MHR down. If someone calls another member names, they're on their way out the door. But if the point of a post is to just express frustration (such as "Cutler is a punk, blah blah blah") with little more than just name-calling, the post might vanish.
Third, there is no room for vulgarity. We have a lot of kids on the site that follow their favorite team, and the adults on the site love 'em for choosing MHR. We love our younger members, and will defend them as vigorously as if their parents were here with them. Don't even think about sneaking in the F Bomb by using symbols or dashes with only a visible letter or two. If there's any doubt, toss it out.
(Guru is kind. He asks little.)
And now an unpleasant word of caution. Like Xerxes, Guru is kind. Guru is merciful. Guru has been known to let trolls dance at MHR well beyond the patience of the rest of the staff. Guru is a gentle creature. But make no mistake about it. MHR is a labor of love, and Guru has his limits. Neither he (nor the staff) will allow MHR to become a den of anger and hate. We pledge to you, our fellow members and family, that the staff will guard the gates at MHR with firmness and resolve. We will defend the house that Guru built.
Debate - that's a central tenet to sports writing. Talk Trash - within reason. Be Passionate - love the team. Be Critical of the Team, Players, or Coaches - that's a part of being a fan. But if any of it becomes personal, the MHR Quick Reaction Team will lock the offender in a room, and throw away...
...the room.
(Trolls who have attacked MHR are tucked away - indefinitely)
Now get out there and write something! We're all glad that you're here, and we each look forward to standing with you as you start (or continue) your journey as an ace writer with Mile High Report.
By the fans, for the fans. Your source for Broncos news and comment. Always.
For further reading:
More about building credibility, and how being humble is a powerful weapon for a budding writer.
Even more about building credibility, you can't have too much.
Guru puts the smack down on some recent silliness, and the fans roar their approval!
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Great coach
I am hoping to have a lot of new stuff to read everyday. You may think I know a lot but its you and the staff here as well as all the other contributors who know their stuff. I just add sarcasm and speculation
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
With respect...
I disagree. You add a lot more to the site than you think.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
forgot you are right
some good one liners here and there. Zappa hung on to one for a while:
“If God’s not a Bronco fan why are sunsets blue and orange?”
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you think
the “Mile High Mystique” came from JT?
He also wears a Orange and blue jersey with the number 1 and “WWID?” on the back!
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was
WWED
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a GREAT quote.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Seeing as I haven’t been around very much, how’s my rep doing? Does it suffer in absentia? Does it need to be watered or fed twice daily? ;)
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 29, 2009 4:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Who are you again? :)
WE GOT MORENO!!!!
by papigrande on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh....
IknowthisIknowthisIknowthis…
CRAP.
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 29, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Just don't go talking British on us! ;-)
Just playing…is it raining? heh
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help the spelling
I picked it up like a shot. Side-effect of writing two essays a week in the Oxford system….
And no, the weather’s actually been gorgeous. Shockingly.
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It must be an Irish blessing. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rep is great.
We are all pulling for our American lady at Oxford, and continue to wish you the best during your studies.
Hang in there girl!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww.
/blushes
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 29, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey she's back!
we missed her (i think) hopefully you stick around through the season (it can be a busy time) always fun to debate and chat with you silver!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Thanks. I missed you guys too (I think).
;-P
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 29, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah man...where the hell have you been????
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was travelling all break
and then there was school. A lot of it.
And then I tried to forget about football for a while in the wake of McJaygate.
But hey, here I am!
I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.
by Silverblood on Apr 30, 2009 2:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you back.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 30, 2009 5:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche'
silver you are like whats-her-name on that TBS show My Boys
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't stay away for lengthy periods Silver--too many of us like your subtle humor.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 29, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome, Hoosier
I love to leave comments on blogs, and I love to get comments on my blogs. Whether or not anyone agrees with me is moot. I just like to pick people’s brains and know their thoughts.
Often on fannation.com, where I’m a fairly well-known blogger, I’ll have HS kids send me a message asking me what works well in a blog. My response is always the same: “Work on spelling and grammar, but don’t worry too much about it. Very few people are experts, and we all make mistakes. So long as it isn’t unreadable due to such errors, nobody will say anything. The most important thing is that you write what you want to write, say what you want to say. People can ‘feel’ the writer’s emotions when they’re reading, so don’t try to sound like anyone else. You don’t have to develop a style because you already have one. Say what you want to say, and it’ll be something that you can be proud of.”
Like you, I’m a HS coach, though my coaching “expertise” lies in the field of softball/baseball. I love reading your articles. This is excellent.
One more thing – you mention spell check. If it helps, the Mozilla Firefox browser is free and has a built-in spell check. You can download it at www.mozilla.com. I like it much better than Internet Explorer for a PC. It updates every month or so, but the update literally only takes 30 seconds on a bad day, and you don’t have to restart your computer in order for it to take effect.
"I will make nachos and sit and watch draft guy. nacho and cola. This gon be crazy. We could even move down in draft and get like a hole nother team guy."
--Horvil Tiki
by wtnelson on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer needs to take his advice on Mozilla.
No Bronco fan should still be using IE. IE is a travesty upon us all. A crime against humanity if you will..
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that a lot people have problems running mozilla on vista
thats why I use IE.
by broncofan91 on Apr 29, 2009 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I havent had a problem
Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird go just fine on vista for me
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
I use Firefox with Vista and haven’t had any problems. Now Skype, I have problems with. It tries to take over priorities on user usage.
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vista....
the OTHER crime against humanity. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
I got a MAC and I will never go back to PC.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 29, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean... once you go Mac you never go back!
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until you go Linux
And realize you have control over your OS. Mwa ha ha!!!
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
by Disco_Stu on Apr 29, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to Mozilla when I loaded Vista
Never had a single problem with it. Can’t say enough good about it, either. No paid promotional here, either (dang it)
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
google chrome is where its at
no annoying add-ons and the default homepage is pretty cool – plus its an ultra small file so if your hard drive is running outta space its a good fit
but mozilla is def better than IE
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 29, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
smaller than opera?
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 29, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
so ill just say yes lol
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 30, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What;s IE?
I haven’t openend that thing in I don’t know how long…….6 maybe 7 years, maybe even longer.
I have actually been useing Firefox Portable for a couple years, I like that I can have it on a thumb drive so I can plug it into any computer and can use the internet just like I do at home, got all my bookmarks etc…..
by Stuman on Apr 30, 2009 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For What it is Worth
I like the new Safari 4, even on a PC.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 30, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can add spell check to IE
While IE does not include a built in spell check, you can add that and other useful features with IE7PRO, a free download from the website of the same name. Besides spell check, it also adds script and add blockers. While the name is still IE7PRO, it also works with IE8.
FireFox is another great choice, very robust and mature. Chrome is still a work in progress, but Google’s spying eliminates it for me. Safari is a massive security risk, an open door to malware that should be eliminated from any Windows machine.
by ITPro on Apr 30, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, rec'd!
To rise above the nasty message boards of mainline media publications, where folks insult and degrade each other.
At least most of the time…it surely is a hard mentality to break. I haven’t been to a message board in almost two years…I hate the damn things. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
God knows I struggle.
God, and a few of my close friends! (inside joke)
Thanks Zap!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, looks like my rep needs some work. lol
I feel like a loose cannon. I really am not..just protective of what I consider to be my home. It’s really Guru’s home, but I am like that guy who never leaves the couch…and everyone is welcome. I think I have taken many steps in the right direction to lose the message board mentality many of us are used too…or maybe not as recent developments have proven.. :( It’s a learning process…and its not easy, especially when someone comes along whose goal is to bait you into irrelevancies.
I suppose HT just likes to stick forks in my side. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the fans' home.
Guru’s “just” the landlord.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
The term “diaries” refers to FanPosts. Diaries are an old SB Nation 1.0 version. HT is oldskool. And how freakin’ old must that article be to still be referring to diaries?!? lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 29, 2009 5:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember diaries
Dear Diary,
Jay really broke my heart today as he threw the INT in the seattle game but Brandon really showed me what a man he was with that 70 yrd TD run.
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Dear Diary,
Stupid J! Never called me back and now I hear he’s been out on the town with that tramp Chicago. Ugh. Well I don’t care. I’ve got a new boyfriend now named Kyle! I’ve also kinda been seeing this other guy named Chris, but I really think Kyle is great. He may not be what all the other girls want, but he’s got a great attitude. And the best thing, Diary, is that HE WANTS TO BE WITH ME! Ha!
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 29, 2009 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 10 recs
Excellent!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 29, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this needs more recs!
maybe you could do a weekly front page dear diary this season that would be outstanding!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aww thanks
I don’t think there’s enough for a weekly. But I’ll have to throw one of these out there every so often. :-)
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colorado Kitten's Dear diary
The break down of the game:
Dear Diary,
Well tonight when i was watching the game i was taken a back by how nice Peyton Hill’s eyes were. It was funny I thought they were zooming in until i realized it was just the end zone camera who got his eyes 8 times today as he ran in 5 and caught 3 from Orton. Also I didnt know Dawkins was able to do those moves at such a progressed age he really looks good striking receivers from their blind side it just gave me tingles all over.
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm toying with doing a Diary of a Madman youtube thing myself...
during the season. styg50 is trying to get me to do it in my underwear in my basement. Not sure I am willing to do that…I am so hairy that it would look like I was wearing a sweater anyhow! ZING!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could be that kid who did the broncos draft wrap up last year
“eddie royal, man great punt returner umm he is a decent WR but not too much. broke all of devin hesters acc return record which means we have devin hester 2.0. um um yeah thats all I have on him”
( i really hope that wasnt an MHR Member)
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am 30, so I am not sure I can pull off "the kid" part.
as for general uninformity…I’m your man! ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
IF you somehow pulled off “Zappa from the Bunker” that would be fun to watch!
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big Ozzy fan...Diary of a Madman baby!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm...
you’re not going to be biting the heads off of any birds, are you?
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooh ooh!
bite heads off gummy bears!
Yum.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 30, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think my 9 yr old daughter would appreciate that..
though our two cats might have fun with that!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one Kitten!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The article is about a month or two old.
I slipped when I said diaries (or it got edited to diaries). But yeah, you and I go back to the early MHR.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember those days
before we were raided by DP and DB message board posters. but hey some of them turned out alright
:-)
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's where I was
until some guy named samparnell typed in Mason’s Morsels “Firstfan, you need to go to MHR”. I have never been able to find out who samparnell is to thank him.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Case in Point I think!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Insight
Personally I have learned a lot from this site and all the memebers. It is truely a family environment. When I first signed up I got hot headed really easy(which I still do sometimes) and said things I would later regret. I probably turned some people off from my opinion and thoughts when I first started posting here from not fully respecting other members opinions. However I have really learned and grown from my mistakes. This site has taught me to be more open to others opinions and when I do disagree with other people I know convey it in a respectful manner. Also I know my spelling sucks sometimes but I have to use Internet Explorer at work and it does not have spell check lol.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 29, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We all fall short.
We just step back, vent, and get back to doing the right thing.
You rock gbd!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...did a similar post...
And I agree.
Rec’d!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 29, 2009 6:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT--You are just one of the many reasons I love this site.
I remember the first time I stumbled upon MHR. I had been spending my Bronco time at many MSM sites—reading the articles—and lurking in the comment sections. I only once contributed to a DP comment section—trying to look at a positive outcome for whatever was happening back then—and was totally thrashed by the other contributors. I was so shocked that I swore I would never join into an internet conversation again.
Then one day I was visiting SI’s Bronco Page and saw a section called, “Bronco Blogs.” I first went to Predominantlyorange and liked what I read so I thought to myself, “Self ,let’s check out a couple more of these Blogs.”
That’s when I found MHR. Not only were the ‘Front Page’ articles great—but there seemed to be many people—that loved the Broncos as much as me—writing their thoughts on various aspects of the game.
I decided to check out the comments section—something I thought I would never do again—and was shocked…everyone seemed friendly. What a change from my MSN experience.
Then I made a decision to do something that sealed my addiction—I joined and made a comment.
This, I believe, is the first comment I ever made at MHR:
Wow!! You guys are friendly. This is so different than comments at Denver Post.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 29, 2009 6:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm grateful you found us.
We need the positive vibes all of the time, but sometimes we REALLY need it. Thanks for being the guy who reminds us that the sun always comes up.
HT
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 29, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love you guys!
I really do. I’ve learned so much on this site, and I just want to say thank you to everyone who contributes. This is really something special -and I’m glad that everyone tries hard to keep it that way.
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 29, 2009 6:36 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I love cats--does that make us a friend?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 29, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Natch man
I’m drinking what your pouring anyway. :-D
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 29, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 30, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
little bit of a dangerous statement ha ha
:-)
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
oh geez….I meant the kool aid..
Dear Diary,
It’s a good thing I’ve been doing Yoga for six months, because the added flexibility makes it much easier to put my foot in my mouth.
:-0
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
little light hearted teasing
I still think we shoudl have a column from you on the front page:
“Diary of a Colorado Kitten”
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would read that right after MHR University.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 30, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, HT.
I wish there were a way to keep these kinds of posts up and available for new members. It takes a little time before we are all acclimated to the customs. It’s great how the maturity of the site is everyone’s pride and responsibility.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Apr 29, 2009 6:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is linked in the tech tips!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I've been here for almost a year now, and
I have no idea where tech tips is. I can find it now that I Knowshon to look for it, but it wasn’t in a very obvious place (at least for my dim self).
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Apr 29, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
side bar with all of the 2006 2007 2008 and other story areas!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 30, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Just Thinking That This Should Be Posted
With all the new people on board :) Good job HT.
I especially think this part is important to emphasize:
Briefly, there are three things to stay away from. With the recent controversy surrounding Cutler – Cook – McDaniels, we are getting a lot of FanPosts that are only one or two short paragraphs long, and they are “expanded comments” instead of a true write-up. These posts bump down other posts that folks have put a lot of hard work into. If your post could be used as a comment in someone else’s post, do that instead. If your post can’t muster more than a few sentences, use the FanShots section.
by studbucket on Apr 29, 2009 6:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
NO BETTER PLACE IN CYBERSPACE!!!
I quit going anywhere else, it’s NO fun @ any other blog! I don’t write much, cuz I can’t even keep up with reading all the tremendous, valuable, educational & TRULY DELIGHTFUL posts & articles here!!! Thanks again all!!! It’s about time for some mini- camp!!! GO BRONCOS!!!
by Pmac54 on Apr 29, 2009 7:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Coach
The level of debate has taken a bit of a dive since the axing of Shanny. Part of the problem is that the franchise has long had a reputation for stability and competitiveness on the field and the fans have been spoiled. We have had ONE dramatic off season and honestly the fandom hasn’t handled it real well. It could be a lot worse. But I have faith it won’t be. Anyone is free to disagree, but keep it above the level of the playground please
by broncinoz on Apr 29, 2009 7:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call, coach!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 29, 2009 7:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said HT!
Nice article and I couldn’t agree more
Moreno in 2009! - Check
Taylor Mays in 2010!
by Steve O' on Apr 29, 2009 7:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
we shood have a "Rep" meter
where we rank all the members “Reps” from 1-10
lol
by Calibroncoboy on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ha ha sounds good
every one starts at 4 and can move up or down!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 29, 2009 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
Lots of great advice; lots of things I plan to take to heart.
rec’d
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Apr 29, 2009 8:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again ,class is in session
Pay attention boys and girls.
Eat your meat or you can’t have any pudding
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 29, 2009 8:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How can you have any meat if you don't eat your pudding?
By the way, does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that song.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one?
Vera Lynn is my favorite song from The Wall. There’s a strings version (orchestral) from The Wall Live in Berlin (at The Berlin Wall) that I only heard once (on the radio). I’d love to hear it again.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...not that hardcore of a fan.
Basically, #4 on the CD I own. lol
My favorite Pink Floyd song is Hey You….or Money….or Comfortably Numb…or…nevermind.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I even have to ask
If you’ve Pink Oz’d?
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have.
We watched The Wizard of Oz with the music playing from the PF album (I can’t remember which album it was) at a friends place when I was in college. It wasn’t exactly timed, but it was enough to be fun.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dark Side of the Moon
you push the play button on the CD when the MGM lion roars for the third time. Haven’t done that in years but it’s wicked cool.
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna try that
Never heard that one before, but sounds really cool!
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 30, 2009 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh... I love the rules.
Educated decent, Tough love analysis, Disappointed outburst in game threads are all welcome. We all feel that.
The rules of the site makes all the difference for a lot of the fans. I have shared this site with tons of my friends. I hate it when there is swearing or bickering in the posts. I think it reflects poorly on all of us.
But 95% of the time I love everything I read here. Cheers to the staff – and the honorable faithful contributors. And welcome to the family to the newbies.
Love the rules… love the site.
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on Apr 29, 2009 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This site is awesome.
I’ve only been a member for a day or 2. Not sure why I haven’t been here before. The worst days in life are those in which the local paper doesn’t add a new Broncos article, so this will come in handy.
by Broncos_FTW on Apr 29, 2009 9:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak for all these other guys...
The Cutler-McDaniels ordeal is what brought me to MHR. I was scouring the Internet for anything related to what was happening to my beloved Broncos. Nothing like a whole lot of change to bring you back into something that had faded away a little bit – I still followed my Broncos but just not their every move as I did growing up. Thankfully, I followed the link I saw on a Yahoo! sports page and found a gold mine!
I grew up in Denver and now reside in Lincoln, Nebraska where I am surrounded by Husker and Chiefs fans for the most part – certainly not a Broncommunity. After I finished competing in baseball, football, and basketball in high school I took a personal moratorium on sports. I suppose sports had been a major part of my first 18 years and I just needed a break. Fast forward ten years and now I have a son whose flag football team I coach – combine that with all the changes taking place and suddenly I found myself reminded of what I loved about football growing up. The chess match if you will.
MHR has played a key role in reacquainting myself with the football world and for that I am extremely thankful. Furthermore, as a newer member I think articles like this one should be readily accessible – I would even go as far as reposting articles like this one on the front page a few times per year. Another idea I would like to suggest is a “MHR University” menu tab on the header next to the stats tab perhaps? Basically, I want a page dedicated to all things “MHR University” with links to all the articles – is it already here and I am missing it or is this possible?
Thanks again and as if you didn’t know… rec’d!
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 9:44 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Blackshirt that is a fantabulous idea!
I would LOVE to see a MHR University tab. Hey landlord! Howzabout it?
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
or will this affect publishing ambitions?
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look on the left side
of the site, you’ll see a box that had all the sections. Just click on the MHR University link. Also, the main bar at the top of the page is the network standard; our overlords likely wouldn’t allow that to be changed.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
by Russ on Apr 29, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH hey!
will you look at that! :-)
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 29, 2009 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
there it is.... thanks for pointing that out!
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 29, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words!
All of my MHR-U articles are archived under that link. I also have other articles (such as pre-game breakdowns) that fall under MHR Chalk Talk (you would need to use the search feature). Most of these Chalk Talks got picked up by Sports Illustrated on their Broncos page. My earlies ones weren’t. For those, just use the major search engine and only use the “author” search (then tab stories or posts).
If you want some terrific reads, do the same with other staff and members that you admire.
And remember, if you have a good question for MHR-U then send me a note about it. Most of my best ideas come from members, not me.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks coach...
much appreciation to you and the rest of the staff.
Taylor Mays in '10
by donbok1 on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great words.
Oh, and if anyone here happens to listen to the KOA pregame show for the Rockies on Sunday you can hear me plug MHR in an interview I recorded earlier today.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
by Russ on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to go Russ!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet stuff man!
Well said and to the point. Following these guide lines will make our home here what we all should want it to be!
Much appreciated!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Apr 29, 2009 11:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
It was really time to publish this again. Great job and rec’d.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 29, 2009 11:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This fits into the veing of what HT is talking about here
It was addressed in a thread where a member was repeatedly asked to give facts to support his opinion, something that has been ahppening a lot around here lately:
when a guy says twice that he isn’t interested in saying anything more than his opinion
we need to respect that and let him be. Just because his opinion is left alone on a blog doesn’t mean that everyone suddenly agrees with him or anything. It is ok to ask someone if they want to back up their opinion or elaborate further, but it isn’t ok to demand that they elaborate. If he declines, leave him be. If he attacks someone, flag it. If he hijacks he thread, flag it. But if he just states his opinion and then leaves everyone alone, he deserves reciprocation.
The assumption is that by stating his opinion everyone thinks Hack is trying to convince them otherwise. You know what they say about assumptions. IF after a polite inquiry to someone’s motives indicates that they are not interested in debating the subject, then just let them be.
Now, what might be bugging some of you is that some posts or comments aren’t up to your standards. For example, I usually post with the intention to inform, and hopefully align people’s ideas and values to my own. I subscribe to recreating your metaphysical value-judgments in the world around you, of helping to create a world that reflects your highest values back at you. That means I often want to change people’s minds about certain things. I believe strongly in my personal values, and by sharing them I hope to see more of them in others. My posts and comments usually reflect that (sometimes I’m just being impish though. Which I also appreciate in others :) ) Not everybody shares this outlook, this standard, with me all the time. We have to be ok with that.
Now, when someone just puts their opinion out there, especially about something they seem REALLY passionate about, I am often disheartened that they do not wish to do more to help others understand where they are coming from. But that is ok, if that is how they want to do it. Just because MHR is home to some of the best sports debate out there doesn’t mean everyone HAS to debate. If someone just wants to put their opinion up for judgment, they are more than welcome to do it. Politely press them if you are interested in an answer (example) but if you have to ask more than once, you’ve asked one too many times to be considered polite anymore. They start to doubt that you care about them, and Broncos family should NEVER feel that way.
I understand we make this mistake with the best of intentions, but it keeps happening, so clarification was in order. Posting an opinion here puts no one under any onus to "prove" it. Certain standards should be followed such as not attempting to pass off opinion as confirmed fact, not attacking others, respectful language(even if you don’t respect McDaniels, please have some respect for those who might be reading your post), and not threadjacking someone. These aren’t black and white issues always, and should be given the benefit of the doubt, if you can. But please use the flagging option, as it is Guru’s main tool for policing those who truly ARE here to harm the community. Limit responses to those cases where the member may not realize they have crossed a line, all else should be a flag.
Note to boydy, obviously this isn’t aimed at you, but to anyone who can find value in it. I think it is a solid set of principles to guide disagreement with opinions, and to help us all protect this place and eachother. (Except for the whole "flagging" idea: that one is a marching order soldier!)
Also, Rob Swenson had a question in the same thread about “namecalling” of players/coaches etc. here was my answer:
I’ll clarify this issue as well while I’m here
Jayn, Jayby, all of that is fine to a degree. The first standard is that he is not a Bronco, he is a Bear. Just like with Phyllis, he is fair game. But the underlying, essential idea here is:
Know your audience.
This is why new posters are so prone to treading on toes. They don’t recognize the audience form months of fraterinizing. Here are a couple of examples:
Jay Cutler nicknames. Obviously he isn’t a bronco anymore, and there are a number of fans here who are either glad or don’t care. Most of them won’t care if a nickname or two (especially creative new ones!) are tossed around. BUT. A lot of fans here really liked Cutler, and insulting cutler in their presence is insulting to them. Mild nicknames usually don’t bother anyone, but obviously derogatory ones do. We only ask that whatever your opinion of Cutler, respect the fans who liked him. If they bash you over the head with that respect, don’t waste time in regret, just flag their asses. Guru can’t log into MHR without seeing a splash page with all the flags, so trust me, they won’t go unnoticed.
McDaniels nicknames: This guy is a Bronco, and like him or hate him, MHR is and will ALWAYS be a Broncos website. This doesn’t mean yes-men. think of it more like Quality Control. We have a vested interest in the value of the product, so we can criticize the quality of the product, but criticizing the product in principle is really a waste of time. It should be flagged if someone is relentless about dogging the Broncos. That is what other team’s trolls do, and it won’t be tolerated under the guise of "I’m really a Broncofan!!" Just don’t confuse this with someone criticizing the Broncos actions. Yes, it can be difficult to tell. When in doubt, flag. Let Guru be the badguy if there needs to be one. So McDaniels nicknames should be respectful of the fact that the blog and people who post here like the Broncos, and thus mcdaniel’s as well. This applies to ALL the Broncos. As a Bronco Blog, there will always be a chance that any bronco player will have fans, so be respectful of that possibility. From tatum bell to romo, remember that some people really dig them here. You don’t have to like the player, just be respectful of those who do.
Phyllis Rivers nicknames. Have at it. The more the merrier. But if I was discussing the Chargers with CoastalBronco for example, I would lay off the Phyllis. Why? Because I know that CB has respect for the Chargers history and organization, and is not a sympathetic ear to any raving I do on the subject. Obviously, not everyone knows that about him, so I wouldn’t expect everyone to follow suit (and for the record, I doubt Coastal really cares if anyone calls Phyllis, well, Phyllis, though I have enough respect for CB to err on the side of caution), but if they did know, I would like to think they would follow suit.
As you can see, it all comes down to knowing your audience. A blanket policy is "no namecalling", but it stifles creativity and fun, and misses the point.
And the point is to get to know and care about eachother.
Sorry for the length there, but I felt these were two solid pieces of advice for how to help keep the trolls at bay and not to step on other members toes unintentionally. [note: code issues prevented the quoteboxes from surrounding the whole of each post
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 29, 2009 11:37 PM MDT reply actions 14 recs
Rec'd as well
Very well said styg and HT as well for an excellent post.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers beat Utah 4-1.......waiting for next opponent.
by weazel on Apr 30, 2009 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 30, 2009 6:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call Phyllis Rivers, Phyllis Rivers to my own family(whom are 90% Charger fans). Screw 'em.
I get texts and phone calls every time the Chargers beat up on my Broncos…they have it coming. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I agree 100% sir! ;-)
Well, considering my last comment…95%. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This deserves calrification too
I would call Phyllis that name here on a Broncos Blog, but on the SD blog I would lay off, unless it was yakking at somebody over there that I knew would have fun with it. Again, know your audience. HT covered this under “don’t pee on someone else’s rug”.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
high in calories?
man, these typos are getting ridiculous. My Draftivus resolution…PROOFREAD!
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 30, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't pee on someone else's rug...
…or someone’s likely to lose a toe.
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That rug did tie the room together, did it not?
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 30, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dude abides
was wondering when somebody was going to get it. :-)
Nice pickup on Gartrell, BTW. I’m a Rammie, so undoubtedly biased, but I think he’s going to be great for you…unfortunately. :-P
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 30, 2009 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, most quotable movie ever
Glad to hear that on Gartrell, we need somebody besides LT that can run up the middle. AJ seems to have a pretty good nose for the late round RBs, though last years washed out.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 30, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you DaBolts
I have a chargers fan here who I am trying to get on to your site for some informed opinion!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 1, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send them over
I had to bow out as the main guy; work just wouldn’t let me do it justice anymore. Heh, seemed like I was spending half the off-season talking about the Broncos too. ;-)
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on May 1, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we know you are a closet broncos fan no worries
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 2, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, kinda hard to explain my ear to ear grin
Man I’m dying to see Vaughn Martin in preseason; it will be interesting to see how Knowshon adjusts too.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on May 3, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This comment is really a very good stand-alone post. Thanks styg, rec'd.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 30, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not my rug
It’s my leg
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 30, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
that is what you get
for laying in the middle of the floor like that. ;)
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 30, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear-rug?
I thought this was a stand up bear. Has he been a rug all this time?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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