The Day After -- Thoughts on what comes next
by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 9:46 AM MDT
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In true Ted Bartlett fashion, I have some random thoughts flying around my head that I need to expunge, and fast. Thanks in advance for humoring me.
Let's start with Mark Kiszla's article. I actually read it last night and had to email Kis to let him know how 100% accurate I thought it was. I rarely, if ever, reach out to the media guys, but for all the criticism they get I felt some kudos were in order. Here is just an excerpt --
But let's not pretend the Broncos are legitimate Super Bowl contenders, as Shanahan did for far too long after his team had slipped from elite status. Serious rebuilding has begun in Denver. McDaniels might be only 32, but the brash coach has the championship experience to understand the cold, cruel truth: The lone way to win big in the NFL is to put the needs of the team before individual desires and personal feelings. Cutler never got it. In the end, Cutler failed to grasp what it meant to be the quarterback in Denver, where every rousing fourth-quarter comeback, every spat with the boss and every little thing matters way too much in a city of Broncomaniacs. The power of being Denver's quarterback is in the job, not the name on the back of the jersey. That's why Cutler, who believed losing a confidant on the coaching staff or being misled about a proposed trade was more important than acting like a leader during his personal melodrama, had to go in a trade to Chicago. And that's why the Broncos are better off without Cutler, after dealing their disgruntled star to Chicago for the complete unknown of the 18th and 84th choices later this month in the NFL draft, plus a first-round pick in 2010 and Orton. Please remember: Cutler demanded this trade. McDaniels called his bluff. There's more, so I suggest reading it. Think about that. Let's say I'm right, and the Broncos won't trade up to get a QB. Think about who they can get. The defense could get fixed, and fast!
Despite the attempts of anyone and everyone, everywhere, we really won't know who the 'winner' or 'loser' of this trade is until a couple of years have passed. With all the draft picks the Broncos have gained, they have a unique opportunity, especially in this day and age where draft picks are gold, to get the holes on the team fixed alot faster than would have been possible before. Denver now possesses 5 of the top-84 picks in this year's draft.
Don't think for a second that the Broncos need to trade up to get a quarterback. Remember what Josh McDaniels has done in the past with 6th-Round (Brady) and 7th-Round (Cassel) quarterbacks. He has a system, and he will find a quarterback that runs that system most efficiently.
By bringing in two quarterbacks that have started in the NFL, McDaniels has done exactly what he wanted to do - create competition all over the football field. Team first, no one is replaceable. You can say Patriots-Way, but it goes deeper than that. The Pittsburgh Steelers have been doing that for a long time as well.
Don't confuse that thought with coming in and running the starting quarterback out of town. The point is, there is a message and that message applies to everyone, no matter who it is. See Kiszla's article.
I always say I am not big into stats, but many of you are; so, I will humor you a bit with some. First, obviously, we have had the W/L records for Cutler(17-19) and Orton drilled into our heads(21-12). I know, Cutler is actually 17-20, but I give him a reprieve on the Detroit game since he got hurt very early on.
We have also heard that Cutler is 13-1 when the defense gave up fewer than 21 points. Here is some more for you,use it however you'd like --
In 2008, the Broncos gave up 22+ points 11 times. In those 11 games, Jay Cutler threw 18 picks and fumbled the ball away 2 times. That is 20 turnovers.
In games where the defense has given up 23+ points, the Broncos offense has averaged 19.2 points. That says that the offense struggles when the defense, on paper at least, hasn't played well.
It has been my assertion all along (the MHR Radio archives are there for you) that Cutler didn't handle adversity very well. Case in point, the Kansas City game. Clifford Russell makes a mistake on a pass route, leading to an incompletion. Cutler berates Russell as they come off the field. Cutler, still boiling over the Russell miscue throws 2 INTs on his next 4 passes. The Broncos go on to lose the game. All Cutler's fault? Of course not. His teammates see how he handles situations like that, however, and as the guy with his hands on the ball more than anyone, his impact is greater than anyone's.
That said, there are no more excuses for Jay Cutler to use. He is playing for his hometown team. He will be teamed up with 2 former college teammates (Earl Bennett and Chris Williams), and a stud (Matt Forte) in the backfield. And he's got the vaunted Bears defense. He HAS to win. Right? For the first time in his college and pro career he will have the pressure to win RIGHT NOW, no questions asked. He didn't HAVE to win at Vandy, and every misstep in Denver has been explained away by age, inexperience and a lack of support around him.
As for the Broncos, everything coming out of Chicago and Tampa about the two QBs the Broncos have acquired has been positive. I'm not saying Kyle Orton is anywhere close to being as physically gifted as Jay Cutler. What I am saying is that a lot of guys make up for physical gifts with immeasurables and intangibles. That is the NFL of today, not the gun-slinging-Brett Favre NFL of the past.
Let me go "to battle" with guys around me that are going to do whatever it takes to win, stats be damned, QB rating be damned, media attention be damned. Sure, you want to call Chris Simms "Spleen," but just remember how that spleen got ruptured. It got ruptured because Simms was getting killed trying to win a football game.
No, I won't say either Simms or Orton are the answer, but they have guts, and they have heart, and they will do WHATEVER IT TAKES. That is one helluva start.
I said it last night, but I highly suggest trying to watch the Josh McDaniels presser today at 11AM mst. We'll have an open thread here, but DenverBroncos.com will be streaming it live.
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I don't call Mr. Simms Spleen as a sign of disrespect.
Ratehr I think it highlights one of his greatest moments in the NFL. What a tough SOB!
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Apr 3, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
it’s all in gest, but Simms has had to battle a lot of demons that come with being the son of a great QB. If anyone understands adversity, it’s Simms. And right now, we need players like that on our team.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
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by bcfunk on Apr 3, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you GURU
on a personal Note I took calling Chris “The Spleen” as a positive thing. I rally behind him because of his desire to win!
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by Jon Tollerud on Apr 3, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Along the same lines...
I see it as a name used out of affection. I’ve always kinda liked Simms and I certainly am not making fun of him when I call him the Spleen…it’s just flat out a funny word and the name of a funny character in a movie. No disrespect at all to Chris Simms.
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by TD4HOF on Apr 3, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to the competition this spring
NO MORE QB’s!
BTW How many rookies does it take to fix a team? The turnover rate is huge. Most will fail.
Also for Jay to win now… Who are his receivers? How is his O-line? Not good. Nevermind him I guess, he’s a Bear & a dumb-ass for miscalcultaing Bowlen’s heart.
Can we still petition for McDaniels job? I will dislike him and Xanders for a long time. IDIOTS! Nice hires Pat!
Go Broncos! (I secretly hope Simms turns out to be the 2nd coming of Phil!)
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 3, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No worries...
I wasn’t suggesting it was negative, I just wanted people to know the story….or at least be reminded of it….
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, TheSportsGuru and Kiszla are wrong
how could a QB be a leader when it’s clear the head coach does not have full confidence in you? after all this chaos and mismanagement (yes, mismanagement), it’s ridiculous to still try to put this on cutler. i know it’s easy to, now that he’s no longer a bronco. but the fact of the matter remains, mcdaniels is the head coach and he never honestly gave full confidence to “the player”, so expecting cutler to lead under those conditions is silly.
i want orton to be awesome, but the reality is he’s mediocre and just a stand-in until mcdaniels tries to groom a rookie. we’ll be in rebuilding mode for at least 2-3 years.
back and forth all you want about mcjaygate, but the fact is we would NOT be in rebuilding mode (offense & defense) if mcdaniels didn’t mismanage the quarterback situation. just fixing the defense and keeping the offense in tacked would have guaranteed us a better chance. remember, we were 13-1 under cutler when the defense held opponents to 21 points or less. now, we’re in unknown territory with a leaning of the worst case scenario.
i’m counting the days when mcdaniels is fired.
ihatejoshmcdaniels.com…
by la-broncos-fan on Apr 3, 2009 10:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not picking sides,
but Guru’s point about the 13-1 stat is pretty good. With the number of turnovers in those games how do we know the defense didn’t give up more than 21 because Jay turned the ball over?
I wanted Cutler to stay because his talent is phenomenal, but I expect the Broncos will be alright. Keep in mind, we are in a weak division as well.
by jaffe28 on Apr 3, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiszla is talking about before McDaniels got to town...
I know it is easy to make it all about a phone call, but it goes deeper, much deeper, than that. We’ll never know.
Here is what we know 100% to be true, no questions asked —
Jay Cutler demanded a trade
Pat Bowlen traded him.
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
More 100% facts
Before McDaniels arrived, Jay Cutler was our quarterback.
McDaniels arrives and Jay Cutler is no longer our quarterback.
Therefore, I blame McDaniels for losing our “star quarterback”. Quotes because, fact, Bowlen used that phrase in describing Cutler.
by la-broncos-fan on Apr 3, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're entitled to your opinion....
I wasn’t sold on Cutler, so it isn’t as devastating to me. Now we’ll see if my feelings were right or not….
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wasn’t 100% sold on his mental makup, he had the physical talents in spades, but he just didn’t seem to have the mental edge. Would he have come around, I have no idea, I just dont think he has it right now. Being traded might be what he needs, playing with a chip on your shoulder may be just what he needs.
by Stuman on Apr 3, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing something?
The Broncos are still in Denver and we have made huge improvements in defense, Ramsey is not starting and we have a bright “Football” minded coach LEADING the TEAM. The QB is a player and I am excited at the direction the Broncos are going. Thank you for your continued emphisis on the team Guru I am with you 100%
by War Eagle Aubie on Apr 3, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't it also fair to say
that Bowlen fired Shanahan, Cutler was PO’d about that and that they didn’t bring Bates back, and thus it’s Bowlen’s fault. Or it’s Cutler’s fault, because he refused to even try to adapt to a new coach. Honestly, you can paint this whatever way you want, depending on your preconceived biases one way or the other. It seems like blame can be spread around several ways, to be fair. But to also be fair, McDaniels just got here, Cutler wanted out, and there we are.
by underdog on Apr 3, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this really has a lot more to do with Shanny's departure than anything else...
This whole situation reminds me more and more of what happened with Phil Jackson in the NBA. Players get close to a certain coach and have a real hard time playing for anyone else. Hell, when MJ came back to my Wizards (idiots had to beat the Cavs last night…but that’s another story..i want the #1 pick), MJ went and got someone he was comfortable with (Doug Collins).
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
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by bcfunk on Apr 3, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Wizards comment
Is why I wish that American sports adopted a relegation system.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay is not a victim here.
He has been playing the whole “victim” card throughout this whole thing. Poor poor Jay. No. He asked for a trade and he got it.
by Kapiti on Apr 3, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever heard the term "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc"?
It means “After this therefore because of this.” It is a logical falacy and it is exactly the reasoning that you are using.
by Papamag on Apr 3, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a good article by Kiszla.
I can see why you emailed him.
by weazel on Apr 3, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A leader...
If Jay was such a great leader his emotions wouldn’t have dictated his actions. Leaders do not create chaos, they eradicate it. Jay fed the chaos of the last month. A great leader would have looked at the Cassel thing as a challenge, not a threat, and met it head on. Instead Jay decided to go into silence and speak mostly through Bus. As stated Bowlen called his bluff. McDaniels is young and certainly could have handled this differently, however, it is hard to have confidence in someone who refuses to communicate with you. I don’t know how good or bad the Broncos will be this year. But until there is proof in the pudding take the doomsday crap elsewhere……….
Go Broncos
by bchiper on Apr 3, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaders lead
No matter what the coach may or may not think- that’s what real leaders do. They don’t wait for accolades to roll in, they earn them.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 3, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
mismanagement by who?
or is it whom? but i digress…
mcdaniels is following a legendary coach, as in one of the all-time greats (at least in broncos fans finds). he came in and tried to evaluate every piece of the org on HIS terms, from scratch, not try and patch together some hybrid of shannys system and his own. this to me says he means to be here long-term. if he truly believed it was a good decision to listen to offers for the qb, then he should do it, because, lets face it, we were a bad team last year. if he listened to offers and they didnt go down, isnt that putting confidence in his qb? is the head coach not allowed to even review the team he is inheriting?
yes, we will be in rebuilding mode for a couple of years, but i’d rather be rebuilding a quality all-around team than deteriorating ever year (which is exactly what our defense was doing). if i have to take 2 years of grooming a new qb for the new system, while also getting a much-improved defense to go with it, i’ll take it. if our last few years were not rebuilding i dont know what is.
lastly, mcdaniels has a proven track record with grooming qbs. dont get me wrong, im not a big fan of orton or simms, but there are things more important than having a pro bowl qb with the coaches confidence. i seem to remember the bears making the nfc championship with 2 qbs, neither of whom had the coaches full confidence (orton and grossman switched starting jobs constantly that year). howd they do it? defense and having pieces around the qb on offense who made him look good.
by sleepydog on Apr 3, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
great point sleepydog (great handle btw). I think many people thought that McD was going to keep the offense as is because it was so “great” (If i hear one more idiot talk about how great our offense was im going to puke!) and start addressing our defense mainly. Bowlen hired McD as his last coach. If McD has “it”, then he’ll be here for a long time…
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by bcfunk on Apr 3, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been trying to put this sentiment into words
but it never comes out as well as you have put it. I did not see progression, by any means, under Shanahan in the past 3 years. After the 2005 season, Shanahan put too much stock in a strong armed quarterback, forgetting what got the Broncos to the AFC championship that season, defense and a strong running attack. Where did faith in an arm get us? Well… where we are right now. I am not blaming Shanahan, but we were a shade of the team that was a perennial playoff contenders with Plummer under center (granted we faced Indy in 3 of those season, and subsequently, made an early exit). Shanahan began to rely too much on a raw talent, without reeling in the reigns when mistakes occurred. It cost us a chance at the playoffs and ultimately his and Cutlers job with the Broncos.
I think that we will be alright with either Orton or Simms at quarterback because it will be back to the fundamentals of winning football. No longer will we rely on a rocket arm to win, or lose, games. The prospects are enticing with all of the draft picks available to us, based on the impression that we draft safe players. I can do without flashy play, as long as we get steady, heady players and win football games.
I trust McDaniels and Bowlens instincts with this move, but then again, I have to, I am not a football coach, and to be honest, I dont know enough about football having only been a fan for about 10 years or so, to claim I know what is best for the team. But from what I have seen from winning football teams, defense is a must, controlling the game with a strong rushing attack is also important, but it is not necessary to be able to fling a ball 70 yards down the field. Our receivers have the talent to make plays after the catch, and I think this will become increasingly evident this season.
My two cents, take it as you might.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
“trust” and “mcdaniels” do not go well together. i studied non-verbial communication and regardless of what mcdaniels said during the NFL network interview last week, he was clearly not being truthful when talking about what happened.
with that said, i will be a bronco fan now and forever, and will support the team like i always have. i just do not like or trust mcdaniels.
by la-broncos-fan on Apr 3, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
And I hope that the fans of the team will remain, seeing as no matter how things play out, there is always going to be detractors. It is as much a part of being a fan as it is to root for a team win or lose.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Well I have a degree in Psychology and when observing Jay’s behaviour over the last month I have deduced that he has all of these personality disorders:
Paranoid Personality Disorder
Individuals with this disorder are generally difficult to get along with and often have problems with close relationships because of their excessive suspiciousness and hostility.
Schizoid Personality Disorder
Because of their lack of social skills and lack of desire for sexual experiences, individuals with this disorder have few friendships and often do not marry.
Antisocial Personality Disorder
Deceit and manipulation are central features of this disorder.
Borderline Personality Disorder
Borderline Personality Disorder is a condition characterized by impulsive actions, rapidly shifting moods, and chaotic relationships.
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Without being aware of it, they often act out a role (e.g., “victim” or "princess").
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others.
Avoidant Personality Disorder
Avoidant Personality Disorder is a condition characterized by extreme shyness, feelings of inadequacy, and sensitivity to rejection.
and Dependent Personality Disorder
Complications of this disorder are increased risk of: depression; alcohol or drug abuse; physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.
So there. lol.
by Kapiti on Apr 3, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a major difference between a degree...
and a license (particularly an undergrad degree). Before my current job I was a teacher (and coached). Before that, I was a licensed clinical therapist. As you may well be aware, a diagnosis (or even an impression or an R/O) goes by DSM standards, and require much more than a view gained through media filters (such as psychometric testing and direct observation and interview, as well as a personal history and ruling out medical issues). Jay’s may well be a cry baby, but I don’t see any Axis 2 issues that rise to a level of clinical pronouncements. The definitions above are far, far short of the complete criteria used for each disorder.
Then again. that “LOL” at the end probably means you were just kidding, right? (It’s hard to tell when I’m just reading. If you were joking, just ignore me. If not, I just disagree).
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 4, 2009 5:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT..
Kapiti was kidding….we had some posts a qeek or so ago about Cutler displaying signs of NPD…and by pointing out all these disorders he is illustrating how dumb it is to make these assumptions with out even knowibg the parties.
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by boydy2669 on Apr 4, 2009 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhhh!
Sarcasm is hard to read. I suspected it, but wasn’t sure.
Silly me!
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Apr 4, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey HT.
Yeah boydy is right. I was just being facetious. Dry humor is always tough to read on these things isn’t it. I do have a pscyh degree but trust me when I say that there is a reason I am now a NZ registered teacher. I definitely did not pay enough attention in class to do well enough to overcome that C average and I would be the last person to make a diagnosis from observations through a computer.
by Kapiti on Apr 4, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
i can’t wait to be proven wrong but i really dislike McD
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 4, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets all Remember
This is now McDaniels team not Shanahans.
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 3, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
and Cutler is a Chicago Bear
And no offense to Jay or anyone else, but I am ready to talk about Broncos, not Bears.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 3, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
++1,000,000
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by Davus.X on Apr 3, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great piece of work Guru, Pumped me up for the day--no one, I mean no one can measure (Heart)
Its a shame cutler did’nt get that….
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by UB3 on Apr 3, 2009 10:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect
Things in Denver just got a lot bleaker. I would put 20% of the blame on McDaniels and 80 on Cutler. Yeah he handled things like a brat—but he had the ability to carry a team and he did. A lesser QB and the Broncos would have been 5-11 last year. Cutler gave the team a chance every game and he was their confidence and their swagger. Now you have a bunch of picks that may or may not turn out and are suspect at QB. It’s ominous.
by FrankPitts on Apr 3, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that would be better....
Ok, so Cutler is good enough to get us 2 or 3 wins. Big Deal. That isn’t going to win us a Super Bowl.
They say alcoholics have to bottom out before they can begin to rehab. Perhaps the Broncos have bottomed ouot and can now properly rebuild. With 53 guys who want to be here.
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Broncoholic so when will I bottom out?
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Apr 3, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When denver hits detroit status
which is never!
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by Jon Tollerud on Apr 3, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
O.o *gulp*
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by Davus.X on Apr 3, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long will they want to play for McD?
What does he flub next?
Or who?
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 4, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree about the QB situation
in fact, I posted about it yesterday, but it got buried pretty quickly.
10 reasons the Broncos shouldn’t draft a QB in the first round
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/2/820199/top-10-reasons-the-broncos
by jwkcsu on Apr 3, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the QB
I wouldn’t draft one high. looking at Brady and Cassel you know McDaniels knows how to groom one and if things do go to hell they can have a chance at one of the better one’s next draft. But who knows, maybe it won’t be necessary…
by FrankPitts on Apr 3, 2009 10:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Broncos don't trade up
And I don’t think they will. If a QB falls to us (Sanchez?) fine. If not take Moreno and a DL or DB in the first and go from there.
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by bradley on Apr 3, 2009 10:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on guys!
I don’t know about you guys but I am glad all this drama is over! I agree with Kiszla also! But it is time to quit crying about Mcdaniels and let the guy coach the team. He hasn’t had one practice yet and you goobers are giving up already. I am excited about the future here. One of the best offensive lines in football. tow of the best young receivers in football, nice tight ends and solid backs ewhoever they use as a quarterback is stepping into a ready made situation. I am excited that now they can rebuild the worst defense in Broncos history the way you should and that is through the draft. 5 of the top 84 and 2 #1’s this year and next. Don’t believe for a minute that even with Jay Cutler they were going to win a Super Bowl with that terrible defense. I am also excited that we have on eo f the brightest and most innovative offensive minds in football, a guy who helped take a sixth(Brady) and a seventh(Cassel) and helped turn them into studs, escpecially Cassel. And say what you want about Kyle Orton, while he isn’t Cutler’s physical gifts he has a good arm and as the Bears players themselves say a great locker room leader. Don’t forget also that he played with one of the most inept offensive coaching staffs in football with Lovie Smith and Ron Turner. Let us see what McDaniel can do with him and see what Orton can do with him. None other than Mike Ditka and Ron Jaworski have said that Orton is underrated and has the tools to be an excellent quarterback in the NFL. Well now he has the tools in front of him. I find all this exciting as hell. Wake up Bronco fans and support your team or for you guys crying about losing Cutler go root for the sorry ass Bears. By the way who is Cutler going to throw to Devin Hester and a bad offensive line? Go Broncos!!!!!!
by postalmoose1 on Apr 3, 2009 10:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely said...
the internet? that thing is still around?
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by ktown on Apr 3, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some where I read that cutler's dad said this was the best day of jay's life (going to the bears).
If you think he is happy what about Kyle Orton. I bet he almost peed himself with joy, finding out he would be going to Denver.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Apr 3, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Orton's dad made a statement also...
…because Kyle was unavailable for comment…
Orton could not be reached for comment, although he did talk with his father, Byron Orton.
“When Kyle called me he was very, very excited about the opportunity,” Byron Orton said. “A little overwhelmed with the logistics of getting everything out there. He’s going to miss all his teammates in Chicago, but he’s really happy.”
Got the link to the DP article from this morning’s Horse Tracks (KUDO’S NYBRONCOSFAN!)
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by Davus.X on Apr 3, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bears fan here
Kyle is a good guy, he will work hard for you all. If nothing else, he will be a great guy to have on your team and he won’t lose you games… if that sounds like I think he will eventually end up as your career backup, it is because I do think that… but you have to have that kind of a guy on your team as well as a starter.
Take care of our “Neckbeard” for us. He’s good people.
by sabbath999 on Apr 3, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
Or has Lindsay Jones been the best writer during this whole situation?
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bears
Cutler won’t be so happy picking himself off the ground every other pass. Bears O-line is not good.
by FrankPitts on Apr 3, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be fine
Cutler had a lot to do with the lack of sacks in Denver. Yes we have an outstanding O-Line, but Cutler’s pocket presence improved dramatically last year, and he avoided pressure very well. He’ll improve Chicago’s O-line immediately by avoiding pressure better than Orton does.
by HACK10 on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is probably true
to an extent, but he also had a very talented group of receivers to throw to once he escaped the pressure. He had better learn to throw it away some times.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 3, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My randomness is rubbing off....
How funny is that? It could be the start of a random thoughts revolution or something.
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by Ted Bartlett on Apr 3, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Um...
is there some reason the McDaniels press conference post disappeared from the site?
by underdog on Apr 3, 2009 12:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It was accident on my part....
I will be fined for my actions…
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
was looking forward to those comments
by CoastalBronco on Apr 3, 2009 12:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got some questions.
Obviously McDaniels thinks both Simms and Orton can run his system or he wouldn’t have gone out and got them. But how well do these two handle a strong pass rush? Is either as nimble as Cutler? Will they make better decisions? How much of Denver’s strong numbers on sack totals are due to the fact that Cutler was often able to slip away from would be sackers? Will either Simms or Orton come close to doing as well?
If they aren’t as good as Cutler at scrambling, it would seem to me that our O-line is going to be under more pressure to duplicate last year’s numbers. I hope the O-line is up to the challenge but I predict sack totals will go up. I hope by not much but this could tell us just how good the O-line really is. And lastly, is an increase in sack totals necessarily a bad thing, especially if it means fewer int’s?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Apr 3, 2009 12:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There's more to avoiding a pass rush
than being nimble. Neither Tom Brady or Peyton Manning are what I would consider nimble. But they both have great pocket awareness. They can sense when and where the rush is coming from and shift to avoid it.
I haven’t looked at Orton and it’s been a while with Simms, but my recollection is that Simms did have a nack for slipping pressure and Orton certainly has the reputation of being courageous in the face of it.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 3, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks SWG.
But do you think the sack totals will go up?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Apr 3, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question...
the QB does play a big role in sacks, more than many fans are aware. For his faults (and he has many) Jay Cutler was actually very good at avoiding the rush. Simms/Orton may not do as well at that. Cutler also threw it at times when he maybe should have just taken the sack.
In addition, teams will very likely go back and look at what Carolina and NE did to create pass rush against us last year. Both teams came up with some creative blitzes that were effective at pressuring Cutler. At the same time McDaniels/McCoy probably are introducing new blocking schemes that may improve pass protection next year (if that’s possible).
In addition, we actually didn’t face many great pass rushing teams last year. Next year will be a different matter.
On the whole it’s actually hard to say, but I would expect a slight increase, but not enough to be a significant factor in W/L.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 3, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
Remember what Josh McDaniels has done in the past with 6th Round(Brady) and 7th Round(Cassel) quarterbacks. He has a system, and he will find a quarterback that runs that system most efficiently.
Devil’s advocate position on this is that we heard the same thing for years regarding our own running game. However, someone here documented recently how this may be more perception than reality. My take was we had moderate success with “surprise” finds post-TD, but the only one that inspired confidence to carry the rock was Anderson (not counting Portis in this). That’s not much in 10 years. And, it took 10 years for Shanahan to find another QB he believed in.
On the other hand, I’m not crying. I completely agree with Guru’s assessment that Cutler was (still) too susceptible to failing under game pressure last year. I saw poorer decisions, hurried throws, and lost accuracy from the QB in the situations where a top-flite QB would rally the troops. To use a contemporary, comebacks from Big Ben always appears so unlikely to me, but I stopped betting against him this past year. Somehow, they always limped in for that last score to win. Can Cutler do that? Perhaps too bad we won’t find out here, but we will see.
by MakeCents on Apr 3, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Magic Beans
I love how the great value of magic beans are, now I agree, getting draft picks can lead to future success, but make no bones about it, I really don’t care how many 1st round picks or late round picks you get, the draft is a crap shoot at best and success in the 1st round is 30% to 40% at best. Everyone wants to point to the Hershell Walker trade, I point to three other trades:
Elawy to the Colts – The picks and players did not make the Colts a better team
Ricky Williams to the Saints – All the picks that Washington got and they still stunk
George to the Falcons – Colts get two picks in the top 5 and both were busts
Getting draft picks is magic beans, they seem like a good idea until you go to cash them in.
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by Broncoman on Apr 3, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Though the Elway trade was different because, after the fact, the Colts were never going to get equal value. Hell, Chris Hinton is in their Ring of Fame, so it wasn’t like he was a bust.
The other two trades are valid points, except we don;t know what Cutler will become. On that we have differing opinions so there is little need to debate. That is why I said it will be a couple years at least before we know any real conclusion.
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broncoman.....
…‘poop shoot’ or not. Given the choice of ‘Magic Beans’ or not, I ’ll go with the beans everytime. “Magic Beans” are the things dreams are made from….no beans, no dreams…..
by rockymtnfan on Apr 3, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
:O
That is my new motto!!
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Mine too!
"Get off that ledge, Alfred!" -- Josh McDaniels
"I’m gonna take the lead of the guys who have the rings...It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you don’t win." -- Brandon Marshall
by broncosmontana on Apr 4, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing about the whole McDaniels made Brady and Cassel
Brady was a great QB before McDaniels every coached him, he did excellent with terrible weapons, he gets guys like Welker and Moss, and off course he is going to flourish, and oh yeah, he had a freaking defense. Again, average QB’s can do well if they have tremendouos teamates, I really am going to love the poundiing he will be getting in KC this year when he has no defense or weapons besides Bowe, lets see how good he really is.
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by Broncoman on Apr 3, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
20 turnovers in 11 games...
If Brady or Cassel turned the ball over that much they wouldn’t win games. The QB can’t be the most important person on the field only when it is convenient to an argument.
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a former QB
I am of the opinion that QB is the single most over-rated position in football. Yes it is essential in fantasy football or Madden. But the last I checked the real game is still a team game. One player may improve a team slightly, but they cannot “carry” a team on their back. Even Elway, as great as he was, gets too much credit fro Bronco wins, as well as too much blame for their losses.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 3, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you as well...
Too much credit when things go well, too much blame when they don’t.
My point is, it can’t be all Cutler when things go well and all on the defense or his receivers or the running backs when they don’t. Anyone who knows football knows that.
“The Player” has all the physical talent in the world I 100% agree with that. It take ALOT MORE than that to win, and win big. My point is, shouldn’t we give just a little benefit of the doubt to a coach that has won big, alot, over the past 5 years?
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by John Bena on Apr 3, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos led the league in turnovers with 30
And that’s awful. I’m glad that we’re changing it.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 3, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some question marks on OL for Cassel
But he does have a couple of good targets beside Bowe. There’s Engram (for 3rd down mostly), Gonzalez, Bradley, Copper, and a few promising younger kids that needed and got a better WR coach.
I don’t know how right he is, but Bill Williamson from ESPN doesn’t think very highly of Orton or Simms. Just something to check out. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1917/Ranking-the-AFC-West-QBs.html
by Reno_Chief on Apr 3, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
We know all about ole Billy W here. Thanks for the link.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 3, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA!
I thought we got rid of old Bill… but I think I hear more about him now than I did when he was on the Broncos beat here in Denver. He knows football like I know astrophysics… and that’s still giving him too much credit.
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by Davus.X on Apr 3, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Guru, for the uplifting message. I am quite tired of this whole saga, and look forward to just getting on with the season. We have two very good quarterbacks right now, and, even though draft picks might be “magic beans,” a lot can be done to upgrade our defense within the next couple of weeks.
by 42n81 on Apr 3, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't let Orton fool you...
If you think Kyle Orton is a quality quarterback, you are seriously mistaken. His defense could hold an opponent to less than twenty points, but if the DEFENSE or Devin Hester didn’t score a touchdown, then the Bears would lose. I just do not see any team led by Kyle Orton making the playoffs in the AFC.
by FMRCOFN on Apr 3, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Interesting. We know all about Cutler’s record when the D held an opponent to less than 22 points, but does anyone have that same data on Orton?
That’d be interesting to know, but I don’t see Orton as the long-term solution anyway- I’d say he’s gone after this year.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm
Me thinks football is a team game. Standings are ranked by W/L’s…..if it’s a QB that the game or rankings should be measured by; don’t look at our last three regular season games of last year….??
JMO
by rockymtnfan on Apr 3, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football is a team game
However, if you take that approach, then Trent Dilfer must have been a great qb to have, right? Or did that Baltimore defense carry that team? Did Rex Grossman take the Bears to the super bowl in 06, or did they go in spite of him? My point is: The Broncos offense in 08 was ranked 2nd. Yes, the Broncos choked away the last three games, but would they have finished ahead of the Chefs or the Faiders if it had not been for Cutler and the #2 offense? Now we will be lucky to have the #22 offense, I highly doubt Dawkins and rookies can raise the defense up enough to account for all we have lost.
by FMRCOFN on Apr 3, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With now agreeing on the team concept.....
….my thoughts on the overall last season are ; ‘everyone in the division tried to lose or give it to the Broncos’…seemed no one wanted to win, until SD made up their mind after spotting us a few games…..and ‘Phyliss’ didn’t do it alone….As Teams, the Chefs, Faders and Broncos split……and, I recall some last minute antics in a couple of games rhat gave us another 2 on the ‘W" side….nope, now that you’ve refreshed my memory, things looked better (LOL) last year under M and J than they really were ; yes ?
Don’t look at it like all we’ve lost. Look at it as a ‘good beginning’. Mike and Jay had their shot, the ‘W/L’ record speaks for itself….
by rockymtnfan on Apr 3, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
but living in Illinois I am all too familiar with Kyle Orton. Him and Rex Grossman have been a joke of the city of Chicago for years now. Say what you want about Shanny, but I am not lining up to buy into the Denver Patriots.
by FMRCOFN on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Jay 'ManBaby' Cutler can be the butt of Chicago's jokes for years to come.
Jay is 17-20 in one of the most QB friendly system ever devised. How’s he going to do in one of the most un-QB-friendly systems in the league? We’ll see.
As a point of reference, Jake Plummer led the same Shanahan system to 13-3 the year before Cutler became a starter. The best ManBaby could achieve was 8-8. Enjoy your honeymoon, ‘cause married life isn’t always easy. ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be 17-20
But, with all due respect, how many of the 20 “he” lost is due to him and not your D?
Chicago’s D is better than Denver’s. Chicago’s biggest problem on D is the fact that the Bears have about 7 3-and-out’s a game, and the D gets worn down.
by sabbath999 on Apr 3, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McD was on the radio today talking about how the Broncos had one of the league's highest number of drives that lasted under two minutes.
Jay leads his fair share of three and outs…trust me.
They also had among the league’s highest number of turnovers.
This was in one of the most QB friendly systems in football and with a stellar O line a great WRs. How will he fair without those things? I would prepare for a LOT of pouting.
Furthermore, even a diehard Bears fan has to admit that their defense is not what it once was.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why
Orton is just a short-term guy. They will draft someone, either Sanchez with the 12th pick(only if he falls to us) or someone else in a later round, like Freeman or Bomar. With McDaniels’ track record, I almost want them to take Freeman in the Second Round. I think that he has the most upside. McDaniels may be able to get his full potential out of him.
by PABroncofan on Apr 3, 2009 12:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And Moreno
I want a top tier running back dammit!
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the current Broncos think of this
Couldn’t find anything on DP, but I’ve already heard from Urlacher about how much he liked Orton. It’s funny that I haven’t heard that yet from any Bronco. Maybe I’ve just missed it, or it’ll come out tomorrow, but it does make me wonder how much he was actually liked as a teammate?
Has anybody else seen anything along those lines?
I just wonder about this comment by Guru
“Cutler, still boiling over the Russell miscue throws 2 INTs on his next 4 passes. The Broncos go on to lose the game. All Cutler’s fault? Of course not. His teammates see how he handles situations like that, however, and as the guy with his hands on the ball more than anyone, his impact is greater than anyone’s.”
And think that maybe he wasn’t the leader we thought he was. At least, that I thought he was.
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by solace on Apr 3, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty much approaching this season as if our starting QB got injured and we have to rally behind our backup…
by trumanj on Apr 3, 2009 1:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm almost ready to let it go
wow…like i went through all those steps…anger…denial…anger…dealing…anger…apathy…anger and almost ready for acceptance. i had my little cry and i’m gonna move on…maybe i read the obits kinda hoping…prolly not much tho
and time to put up a new pic and get rid of the siggy block…i promise to be way better now
And i am totally upset with HIM...omg...i could just slap His face off...i shouldnt feel this way but...wow...like i just feel like i should go get my hair done and put on that special dress and stilleto heels and show Him what Hes gonna miss...cuz Hes never touching this again!!!!!!!!!!
by MHRsGirl on Apr 3, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I went through all those steps quickly myself.
Dealing with this from day one has been very stressful and I don’t even work in the front office. By the time the trade happend I was allready to move on so I wasn’t as bummed as I would have been if this happened two weeks ago.
The more I hear of McDaniels I am glad he is our HC and I am totally understanding the philosophy he is brining hear to Denver. I know Simms and Orton aren’t among the top QBs in the league, however with the guys we have on offense including our line, I am sure they will have plenty of chances to succeed.
by weazel on Apr 3, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We love you just the way you are
A fresh start sounds good. Beside, whatsisname left town. You’re our girl now!
"Get off that ledge, Alfred!" -- Josh McDaniels
"I’m gonna take the lead of the guys who have the rings...It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you don’t win." -- Brandon Marshall
by broncosmontana on Apr 4, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they really just trade a 21-12 career starter for a 17-20 career starter and two first round picks?
Morons….haha. ;-
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ooops...I forgot the mouth. Here it is:
)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
PosterNutbag....
……..for me, you’ve summed it up nicely.
by rockymtnfan on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said that backwards. Allow me to try again (with mouth this time).
Did the Bears really just trade a 21-12 career starter and two first round picks for a 17-20 career starter?
Morons (seems ironic now…dammit)…haha. ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
PosterNutbag......
……..hey, I knew what you meant. Don’t be so hard on yer’self. It’s not always around here what one says, it’s what they meant that counts..
by rockymtnfan on Apr 3, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just one more reason to have an edit button :)
by trumanj on Apr 3, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+infinity.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they did!!
How stupid could they be? Obviously the only indicator of a quarterback’s talent is his team’s win-loss record in his first 2-1/2 years. I can’t believe nobody in the Bears organization was aware of this.
It’s a good thing we found a front office that just fell off the turnip wagon to trade with. They will regret their incompetence for the next ten years.
Or not.
by HACK10 on Apr 3, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually…win-loss record is about the only thing that matters to me.
I’d rather have a win and a 40.0 QB rating than a loss and a 100.0 QB rating.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Exhibit A: John Elway.
"Get off that ledge, Alfred!" -- Josh McDaniels
"I’m gonna take the lead of the guys who have the rings...It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you don’t win." -- Brandon Marshall
by broncosmontana on Apr 4, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
is anyone listening to the Fan right now?
Coach McD is on with Scot and Al. EVERYONE NEEDS TO LISTEN TO THIS INTERVIEW
by purplesocks on Apr 3, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
how do i get to it?
And i am totally upset with HIM...omg...i could just slap His face off...i shouldnt feel this way but...wow...like i just feel like i should go get my hair done and put on that special dress and stilleto heels and show Him what Hes gonna miss...cuz Hes never touching this again!!!!!!!!!!
by MHRsGirl on Apr 3, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fm1043thefan.com/listenOnline.aspx
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
although i think it's wrapping up.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh well...i guess you guys will post it...huh?
And i am totally upset with HIM...omg...i could just slap His face off...i shouldnt feel this way but...wow...like i just feel like i should go get my hair done and put on that special dress and stilleto heels and show Him what Hes gonna miss...cuz Hes never touching this again!!!!!!!!!!
by MHRsGirl on Apr 3, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll probably post a reply on their website.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...they just said it'd be up within the hour.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Hastings is such a doofus.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not anyworse than Al has been the last couple of days
I listen to them everyday on my way into work, and I have to admit, they are fun to listen to, but most of their insights are based solely on conjecture. They get Stink on every once in a while, and I enjoy his insights, but Al has been especially infuriating to me as of late. Not to mention the callers that sound like the same people that post comments on Kreigers ridiculous rants in the Post.
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— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 3, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...really I do like those guys.
But that can both be pretty goofy.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 3, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is the winner
You guys can drink the Kool-Aid but there is no doubt Cutler is the winner in this deal. He get’s to play in a real city. On a team with a real defense.
We can talk about him being a big whinner but to me it’s refreshing for a player to have the confidence to take the upper hand. It was plain ignorant on the new guy’s part to think he could dance with another quarterback and not offend the one he had. How about trying that with your wife! I bet your stuff on the lawn. On well 32 and taught a very good life lesson. Let’s hope he learned.
by Bad Boy on Apr 3, 2009 2:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
why to people compare sports franchises to marriages?
I don’t run a franchise, but I am married and I just can’t see it being all that similar. Cutler clearly did not want to play for Denver…actions speak louder that words…he asked for a trade, ignored the team thereby removing any opportunity to work things out, and he was traded.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Apr 3, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
I guess for some this will be unresolvable, there are those that dislike McDaniels because of this, and those (like me) who feel Cutler hasn’t shown enough to be considered the second coming. I’m really excited that he’s gone. I’ve always doubted his heart and whether he really cared that much about winning. I had grown disgruntled with Shanahan and with the play calling. I’m really stoked about the possibilities. Maybe I’m dreaming.
by NDbronco on Apr 3, 2009 3:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler v McDaniel: Integrity, trust
I agree: It will take a long time to assess the “winner” here. One thing Bronco fans should start watching for is whether this “no I didn’t, Oh I did, but didnt mean it” glitch was the start of a pattern for your new coach. As a Pats fan, I would say his Bill Belichek-pedigree is “not promising” in this area. Bill’s strategy works becuase he wins and says nothing. Cutler made the right decision under the circumstances. I hope your (brash) young coach will learn his (integrity) lesson.
by Ricz on Apr 3, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
I hope Chicago enjoys their new thin skinned QB.
"Get off that ledge, Alfred!" -- Josh McDaniels
"I’m gonna take the lead of the guys who have the rings...It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you don’t win." -- Brandon Marshall
by broncosmontana on Apr 4, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Cutler said that his new “weapons” in Chicago are similar/comparable to what he had in Denver…I know he has to say that, but it’s still funny.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Apr 3, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Very.
"Get off that ledge, Alfred!" -- Josh McDaniels
"I’m gonna take the lead of the guys who have the rings...It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you don’t win." -- Brandon Marshall
by broncosmontana on Apr 4, 2009 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Think about that. Let’s say I’m right, and the Broncos won’t trade up to get a QB. Think about who they can get. The defense could get fixed, and fast!
AMEN to that and let’s hope it happens!
by Hana on Apr 4, 2009 11:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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