Team Building and the Denver Broncos
The weekend of the draft is past, the main part of free agency as well as undrafted free agency is behind us and now we have to long opportunity to consider, in some detail just what it is that the Broncos brain trust has done in terms of making over this team. The Broncos are a team whose record was 8-8. This was a team who made history by being three games up with three to go and dropping them all, including the tiebreaker. It was historically bad on defense and special teams, but not as much better on offense as some have held. Passing yards are a poor measure of a team - red-zone percentage, points scored and similar measures mean far more. Weaknesses abounded, as statistics and analysis made clear. It was a team whose record was mediocre, but whose framework was as flimsy as cheap wicker
The free-agent period, draft and undrafted-free-agent signings have been a study in team-building. Whether you do or don't support the way it is being done, it's important to step back for a moment, lower your shields and be willing to take a long look at what has been done before judging one way or the other. Hoosierteacher's analysis of the draft strategy and how it plays out was a masterpiece. I don't care if you agree with him or not and it shouldn't matter - his careful attention to detail, knowledge of the game and application of rational discourse to the subject was a textbook example of how to break down a process. I used to write textbooks - I'm not speaking in hyperbole. It was brilliant.
I don't have those strong opinions, really. Am I a ‘homer' or ‘drinking the kool-aid'? Some will certainly think so, but if so, they don't know me. I'm a SunnySider by nature, but I'm generally analytical in my thinking. I went into last season thinking that we'd be 7-9 if things didn't fall our way and 9-7 if we did very well. I was close. I'm frequently not close, but the point is that I don't tend to be (with great affection to Mike Clark) in La La Land. I'd love 13-3, but I'm not expecting it this year.
We have, on the current face of it, a very hard schedule. A dispassionate viewpoint would say that we have a new coach, QB, offensive coordinator and scheme, defensive coordinator and scheme, and a large quantity of new players. Those things are hard to overcome in the short term, and for that reason I hope for a good year, but don't expect it. If we achieve an 8-8 year, I'll be content.
One of the things that I think that I know is that the scouts are pros, the GM looks at thousands of hours of film that I don't have and talks to lots of folks who have forgotten more than I ever learned on the subject. I think that in light of free-agent acquisitions, undrafted-free-agent signings and the draft picks that we effectively improved the defense, offense and special teams.
It might help to know that I began this project simply to find out a central question -
Did we make a concerted attempt to address each position and try to make the changes needed to mold this squad into a contender?
My thinking was this - if we addressed each position, one can still (and should) argue their thoughts or ‘feelings' about this player or that. However, there has been a large debate as to whether we even made a bold attempt to change the team. To find out, I started by listing all of the changes in personnel that we made. I used the term ‘Brought in' to describe a FA signing, traded for is obvious, and signed was used to delineate undrafted-free-agent acquisitions.
I started with the front office. Unsurprisingly, Pat Bowlen remains the owner. After that, however, this is what the Broncos have changed:
- Josh McDaniels - Head Coach
- Mark Thewes - Assistant to Head Coach
- Matt Russell - Director of College Scouting
Offense
- Mike McCoy - Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
- Clancy Barone - Tight Ends
- Adam Gase - Wide Receivers
- Quarterback - Brought in Chris Simms, traded for Kyle Orton and drafted Tom Brandstater
- Running Back - brought in Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan, signed Kestahn Moore, drafted Knowshon Moreno
- Fullback - Please note that we signed UDFA Marquez Branson, who is a perfect prototypical h-back and can play fullback, h-back or TE. For convenience, I listed him at TE but he might end up here.
- Tight End - Drafted Richard Quinn, signed UDFA Marquez Branson
- Wide Receiver - Drafted Kenny McKinley, brought in Jabar Gaffney, signed UDFAs Travis Shelton, Swift, David Grimes and Taylor
- Offensive Line - Started with the best in the NFL, brought in Matt McChesney and Brandon Gorin, drafted Seth Olsen and Blake Schlueter, signed UDFAs Stanley Bryant, Marcus Gordon
Defense
- Mike Nolan - Defensive Coordinator
- Wayne Nunnely - Defensive Line
- Ed Donatell - Secondary
- Don Martindale - Linebackers
- Defensive End - Brought in Darrell Reid, drafted Richard Ayers, signed UDFAs Rulon Davis, Everette Pedescleaux, resigned Kenny Peterson
- Nose Tackle - Brought in J'Vonne Parker, Ronnie Fields, signed UDFA Chris Baker
- Linebacker - Brought in Andra Davis and linebacker Nick Greisen, moved players Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, at least in theory or part/most of the time. Signed UDFAs Lee Robinson, Braxton Kelley and Jeff Schweiger
- Cornerback - Brought in Andre' Goodman, drafted Alphonso Smith, signed UDFAs Tony Carter and D.J. Johnson
- Strong Safety - Brought in Brian Dawkins, drafted David Bruton
- Free Safety - Brought in Renaldo Hill, drafted Darcel McBath
Special Teams
- Mike Priefer - Special Team Coordinator
- Keith Burns- Coaching Assistant/Special Teams
- Long Snapper - Brought in our most-argued Bronco, Lonie Paxton
- Punter - Signed UDFA Britton Colquitt
There you have it. With the single exception of kicker (look for one between now and training camp), the Xanders/McDaniels team addressed every position on the team, in addition to bringing in new coaches to teach a new set of systems and a new Director of College Scouting. The option of debate of the individual players and the merits of various systems can and should continue. But one fact is now established - not a single position was simply left to chance. All of them were given new players and increased competition for the squad. In one SunnySider's opinion, that's a very good start.
As an example of the changes we are going through, let's accept that we changed QBs. One of the things that folks have bemoaned is the loss of a big arm and the arrival of a coach and two QBs (I'm interested to see how well they train Brandstater, and for how long) who don't throw the long bomb as well. Just as a final thought:
I want to win a lot of games over the next few years. One weakness that we had last year was that we didn't throw well in the red zone. Our QB only threw for 46.4%, 3.25 YPA, a nasty 4.76% interception rate, a touchdown rate of 20.24% and a very weak 74.1 QB rating in that area of the field.
For argument's sake, let's also note that Orton was sacked more than twice as often (4.8 to 2.3%), yet his completion percentage was 52.5% for 4.22 ypa with a much better 1.69% interception rate, a touchdown rate north of 22% while dealing with a sack rate of 4.84% (I watched the film - it wasn't his feet, but his O-Line) and a QB rating of 96.0 in the red zone.
Given all of the facts, I'd have to conclude that Orton is generally a far better QB in the red zone. The ability to throw the ball far isn't an asset in the red zone - you need to be able to make throws accurately for a higher completion percentage while avoiding interceptions. That's what wins games. And it's my belief in looking at our roster that we've taken a lot of steps to make sure that we do.
Will Kyle Orton be our QB? I don't know. I do know that he achieved the above with a very limited scheme, a porous line and very weak receivers, which makes him a far better acquisition than many have suggested. I also know that our team now has better coaches (who among us misses Slowik?), receivers, running game and offensive line than we did last year, based entirely on performance. I don't know what our record will ultimately be this year, but I'm clear on this - we made a lot of long-needed changes. In my opinion, the future is brighter for doing so. Hoosierteacher said this in one of his comments:
"I imagine the schedule will be too tough to overcome. The wins just may not be there. But I also believe we'll have better players playing better football. By the following year, I bet it pays off."
I know that he's right. The record over the next three years will be the real test of this approach. But if you hear someone say, as many have, that the Broncos didn't address certain positions in this offseason - you can send them this link. They didn't just address certain positions. They addressed them all.

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Nice Post
Good to get ahead of this stuff. I love the players we drafted. I like where the franchise is going. If you asked me what I thought the record next year would be I would say 5-11.
So before all the negative guys come back to start screaming for McD’s head and that we were all idiots I think we should say we don’t expect an immediate winner here.
But then again Belichick was 5-11 his first year… he must have been a real disaster in NE.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 30, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
you nailed it
when they didnt do X i was so pissed, but then they passed on Y and OMG i almost flipped my wig when they didnt even think about doing Z!!!
lol sweet post
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- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 30, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I agree with HT. I think this year will be more of a transition year for our team. With all of the new players, coaches and staff its hard to imagine us being contenders this year. I think we fall somewhere around 7-9 or 8-8. As much as i want us to be 12-4 or 13-3, I also know Rome wasn’t built over night. However I’M definately happy with the new direction of the team and what we did in the draft.
by diviesti on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We could be 5-11 or 11- 5...
I expect this team to keep most games close, and have a chance to win the majority of games.
If all things fall right (see 2005 season) then we could surprise and make play offs.
Nice post Doc!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 30, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that emotion!
I think this is a very accurate prediction. However, I sprinkle koolaid on my nachos on gameday so I’m sticking by my prediction of 10-6. LOL
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!
by Broncotodd on May 1, 2009 4:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we win the AFC West?
Can we beat San Diego Twice?— at least on paper- and I know the games aren’t played there- but I have to agree w/ HT that we have a significantly better team on the field— and I believe we are closer to San Diego than most people give us credit for at this time.
by gpe999 on Apr 30, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, we could take the AFC West---By the way Great Post Doc. and a wonderful read ( your a "Weekly Reader" lol )
Back to the AFC West—-Yes I believe we can take the west… Heres why, we certainly have the talent, The Coaches and the
Scheme—we won’t know for a while. If what I see of the circle the wagons appoarch by Team McDanials; this early in the
Season, is any indication, I believe we will be smiling come Dec.
Rec’d
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 30, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only fear for next season
The only thing that I’m afraid of next season is not our final win/loss record. That will not be as good as some would like, and I’m ok with that. 6 wins would be tolerable to me, and anything north of 7 will make me ecstatic. No, what I’m afraid of is the coming cacophony of ‘fans’ calling for Josh McDaniels’ head when we do go 6-10. I wish that professional sports had avoided the turn toward instant gratification, but it has. Miami and Atlanta both striking gold last year will only serve to intensify the complaining. I only hope that Pat Bowlen can apply his legendary patience and give Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders three or so years to prove this system can work in Denver.
I also am applying my homer’s (self-applied, there) enthusiasm and am hoping for 9-10 wins. heh.
by BroncosBassist on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
though if we only win 1 or 2 games, I will be calling for Josh’s Head :)
My expectations aren’t set too high this year. I’m excited to see what happens, I hope that we can match or exceed last years success. But I know our schedule is difficult and that our division has improved. I doubt anyone wins our division with an 8-8 record this year. I’ll be ok with 5 wins or so as long as the team appears to be improving/meshing throughout the season.
by trumanj on Apr 30, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more reason we are blessed to have Bowlen as our owner
Pat is not about to surrender to uninformed fan pressure. He will let McDaniels continue to improve this team.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 30, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purely an opinion
I think that Pat has his head on right in that area. He knows what Josh was given, and if it was good, he wouldn’t have fired Mike
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 30, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
great point, bb
Plus, what a s**t storm McD ran into, with Cutler and Bus Cook. But I think the new coaches and X are doing great (free agent signings allowed them to go BPA in the draft), the defense is going to be so much better than last year, and the offense will be improved, all in all. This is going to be a very good, tough Broncos team.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Apr 30, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Useful post, thanks
It continues to be clear to me that a secondary that was absolutely abysmal last season stands to not only be improved but 200% better at least. That is a major overhaul we’re talking about here.
Whether all the other areas on defense will be improved is hard to know just yet. But the secondary, that is one area I will confidently put my money behind as being a lot better.
by underdog on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not convinced that player personnel was the biggest problem
The scheme and coaching had to be a big part of it. I’m not a big X’s and O’s guy, but watching how bad everybody looked out there I find it hard to believe that most of our defensive starters are just bad football players. Many of them had pretty good success on other teams (Bly, Robertson, Mcree).. I just don’t think our scheme (if we even had one) fit their strengths, which is something McDaniels has said he plans to do.
I think if Nolan had been our DC for the last 3 years even with the same group of players we would have been a much better defense.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Apr 30, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wholeheartedly agree.
In addition, by virtue of having much improved leadership on defense we should be more disciplined, which means less over pursuit (Webster), arm tackling (Webster) and better gap control (again Webster). Our defense looked more like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off than a cohesive unit.
Hell we should be better just by no more Webster.
I’m not expecting a miracle move to top-15, but simply by playing with more discipline and more intelligently we have the talent to be in the 20s range.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Apr 30, 2009 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree -- or at least
I think it was a combination of both. But I think personnel was not great in the secondary last year. There were a few young guys with talent, like Josh Barrett, but little experience, who probably needed better coaching, and guys who were either over the hill or mediocre to begin with, like Marquand Manuel. So I think the coaching was an issue, but still think the depth and talent was weaker than it should’ve been back there.
by underdog on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Record Will Tell
The good part about football is that we will tell whether the team is better relative to its competition next Fall. Either they go 9-7 or better or they in fact will not be better.
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 30, 2009 12:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a fallacy.
The competition is not the same year in and year out. You can’t tell me that playing the NFC South (or NFC West) is the same as the NFC East. The only place you can compare records each year is the record within our division.
by adamriggs on Apr 30, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strength of schedule
You are not considering the strength of schedule Baltimore Bronco. We pulled the AFC North & NFC East this year. Plus we drew Indy & the Pats on top of that. We could have a much improved team and still finish with a worse record than last year. The key in telling if/how much we are improved next year from last year will be watching the product on the field. If we get blown out several times (like we did last year) and get beat down by KC & Oakland (like last year) then we may not be too much improved from last year. However, if we are in most games and are losing to tough teams but playing hard and putting up a good fight, one could deduce that we are in fact improved over last year, even if our record isn’t above .500.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 30, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will all be the preperation
We now have a team, a real whole roster team, that is as good or better from top to bottom, offense and defense, talent wise that it has been in many years.
McDaniels has said (and he is absolutely correct ) that the key to the season is in how well the team prepares for it.
And we have a head coach who has a passion and a talent for preperation. We have some coordinators and assistants that have shown a history of detailed preperation.
And we have players that have embraced the promise that is this years outlook and have thorwn themselves into the preperation and the work to make themselves better and master the systems being installed.
I believe that this group has an excellent chance to make the playoffs this year. And if they do, they will be a team that no one will be eager to play.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
by AlanC on Apr 30, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
hey guy
yje alphonsen smith look like player guy. I hope he pict every body off. We need this. What happen to pict off run back for 6. only jack willam did this in pre seasonal. it change you game guy. it the game changer. it like oh snap team is like beat us then pow guy pict off and run back other way. hole crowd crazy. like chanp baley in acf chanpionship. it was like oh snap the game changer. darrent willam do this. you could hear ball hit he hands it was like pow and go other way. he was like you throw is corny guy. go back to draw board I pict you off all day from hear. I think it ruin enemy team player mind.
guy when you say kool aid I thirsty all sudden. really do they still make this, I had this as kid when I play nintendo. it was so good. they come out with blue kool aid and I had sport bottle of the denver I fill with. it was so cool. that was so good where is it any more. I gon look up web site for it.
I is fan of the Denver
by Horvil Tiki on Apr 30, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
lol?
i wanna laugh but it would be wrong if thats how you really talk
funny stuff horvil
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 30, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Horvil, guy.
He’s got his own blog. Horviltiki.com I heard it was down for a while, but it’s working now.
Horvil is an icon around here.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
by solace on Apr 30, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh cool
yeah i like it i just wasnt sure
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go visit his site.
I don’t rec other sites at MHR much, but his site is awesome. MHR provides a list in one of the panels on the right side of the main page.
Horvil is a friend of MHR.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
While you're there
You must check out his videos. They are the best!
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 30, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
horvil tiki you da man
Please come give MHR a fan post sometime! I’ve seen your comments and your site — you got brains to spare, homes! Spare some!
And for the uninitiated, enjoy!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 30, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horvil Tiki
Always a recommended comment!
You’re the best!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if anyone else remembers this far back...
but even our Super Bowl team of 97, despite going 12-4, were still underdogs for the better half of that year. They were underdogs in the AFC Championship that year as well against a very talented Pittsburgh Steelers, and we were the biggest underdogs against a returning champion Green Bay Packers.
If there is one thing that will always be true in Broncos country, it’s that we perform better as the underdogs. No matter what Broncos team is out on that field, if they are underdogs, they always tend to perform better and find ways to win.
This year is our year to be the underdogs, and embrace that. 13-3 baby!
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Apr 30, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just no more blow outs
I can live with a losing season, just so long as we are competative in all of our games. What I can’t stand is being blown out, especially by that sinveling little sh*t Phyllis Quivers.
by laser rocket arm on Apr 30, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Amen brother!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 30, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, Hear!
Ugh, I couldn’t turn on the TV for weeks after that last game this season.
by BroncosBassist on Apr 30, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more losses to the chokeland faiders either
There’s nothing worse than losing to those fools. We need to sweep that series every year.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 30, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't vote
I think they have done a great job in bringing in players and starting to building something great here for the long term, but I still don’t believe that they are going 13-3. I hope they do, and I’d be ecstatic and root for it, but it’s better to be pleasantly surprised than to be disappointed.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Apr 30, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this post!!
It reads as the executive summary of HT’s piece and should be required reading for all fans this offseason. Fantastic job. Way to bring your A game, bear!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 30, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+!0000000
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops---+1000000
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 30, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post bear! You left me wanting more...
Thank you for the red zone stats…didn’t realize the difference was so great!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank nycbroncosfan
We’d begun talking about some comparative stats and he did a killer grouping
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 30, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good job NYC!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Apr 30, 2009 1:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
No magic on those specific stats there, just need to know where to look!
ESPN and Yahoo both have splits for QBs which offer lots of info…
by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 30, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
13-3 is the leading vote getter?
I understand optimism, but come on guys.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 30, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted 13-3
but I doubt we are that lucky this year. I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for any of the other options. There are no players I really disagree with too much to say we did ok but go the players wrong, I like the coaches and I don’t think we’re toast. I bet if there was a more lukewarm approach, ie good offseason that will set us up for a future run, we would have seen more votes go that way.
"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."
by BroncoJoe87 on Apr 30, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was somewhere between the “13-3” and “not bad” options. Being the optimistic person I am, I went with 13-3 baby!!
The healing process has begun....
by ohiobronco on Apr 30, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to vote the second one, but it wasn't good enough for me.
I think we got the right players, but we’re still going to go 8-8 or so this year. :) 13-3 baby!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel that same..
nothing wrong with our player aquisistions, we’re just not there yet.
"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."
by BroncoJoe87 on Apr 30, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Zappa, I feel good about it but I would project 7-9 or 8-8.
Both would be an improvement over last simply because our schedule is so much harder.
I am loving the Smith pick. I think he is going to turn out to be an amazing player.
"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"
by MikeD55 on Apr 30, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the sig....
sounds like my, ah, wife. ;-)
Then me:
“We don’t need to stop for directions, I know where we are going! EAST!” (while I think to myself, -ish)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. I know who needs directions?
We always end up where we’re trying to go. Eventually.
=)
"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"
by MikeD55 on Apr 30, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife calls it
pride. I am “too proud” to ask for directions. I assure her that it is not pride, it is “situational awareness”. She may think we are lost, but I know that we are in the general area of where we need to be, therefore, we will eventually be where we need to be. ;-) Being lost suggests I am not aware of direction. Which is just not the case!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we weren't where we should be
We couldn’t get to where we needed to go, which would rupture the space-time continuum. You’re only doing this for us. We get it
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 30, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaa. Situational awareness, this is exactly it! And wanting to leave the space-time
continuum intact. Nail on the head. =P
"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"
by MikeD55 on Apr 30, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also helps that I know for a fact that my wife does not read anything from this website. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Apr 30, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky you--some of us are not as fortunate-(-Right Dear) jk
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 30, 2009 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alphonso Smith will make more plays for our defense than Brace ever could
end of story.
(naive speculation, but still, Brace has not proven he can even play NT, so I wasn’t real big on him being our end-all to save-all for the front seven)
by lolcopter on Apr 30, 2009 2:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Alphonso
I like this guy. Been watching whatever I can find on his play and I like what a playmaker he is.
Love the play where he beats the guy trying to cut block him, hits the ground but still pops up and drills the receiver into the ground.
Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.
by Kfustud on Apr 30, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a Great Play ...
but if our secondary is making all the tackles this year, it is going to be a loooooong year.
by gOOn on Apr 30, 2009 3:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Transitions
Great post Broncobear and rec’d. It’s also important to remember how learning the new schemes and terminology is going to take time to be seamless and natural without having to think about it. Unconsciously competent in other words
by Ponderosa on Apr 30, 2009 3:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great read Bear!
Those additions to the team are quality people. There’s a lot to overcome this year, and I don’t expect a good record. But I also expect to see a lot of good play, even in a losing effort. Last year I was pulling out my hair (figuratively) watching terrible football. I don’t mind losing a game that is coached smart and played hard.
With good coaching and solid players, we’ll get better each year for several years to come.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 30, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but . . .
Nice post Bear – I like your stuff. But the point needs to be not whether the position was addressed, but instead, whether the position was upgraded. Just my opinion, but when putting it all together, just a little bit. We can’t know whether any of the drafted guys or UFA’s are worth anything until they show us something at the pro level. We have a lot of new guys along the DL as well as some holdovers who are probably going to be asked to play new positions and there’s not a scintilla of evidence that any of this will translate into a better defense. I think the defensive secondary is a now a little more talented but the QB position is less so. Injuries are always the great unknown/equalizer. Bottom line: I know it will take awhile, but I don’t see any overall paradigm shift in talent from last year’s team. I’m still a fan though – Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Apr 30, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Name one position on offense or defense
other than QB (which was kind of out of their control) that hasn’t been upgraded.
DB: Bailey, Dawkins, Hill, Goodman >>>> Bailey, McCree, Manuel, Bly
LB: Davis >>> Webster/K2
DT: Thomas, Fields/Parker > Thomas, Robertson
LDE: Reid/Ayers > Engleburger/Eck (but very close)
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 30, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan>>>>>>>>>Slowik
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 30, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough, DK
I know it will take awhile, but I don’t see any overall paradigm shift in talent from last year’s team.
Well, I’m fairly sure that we’ll be better at NT, since we didn’t have an NT last year. I’ve got a couple of things that I’m Ok being sure of. The first is that our secondary is better – a lot better. The second is that Nolan is better than Slowik.
I’ll take McCoy and McD over Bates. I’m happy with Moreno over Hall. Etc…You see, when I took the time to look at one to one comparisons, they were everywhere.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 30, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great compaison!
Like others, i’m sorry we lost Cutler, but I have no problem with Orton. He’ll be better than Cutler in the red zone and he will have better options in the running than Jay—to say nothing of better play calling! We don’t know how our new additions will fair, but we do know what they bring to the table, strengths, weaknesses, experiences, etc. My biggest disappointment the last several years is that the Broncos often looked like they mailed it in. Our new players won’t mail it in so that in itself will be an improvement.
I can’t say that I like McDaniels at this point, but thenm I never liked Shanahan very much. But likeing or not likeing the coach doesn’t matter. Shanahan won a couple of Super Bowls and I wouldn’t trade the experience of being there for anything. I can say that I think McDaniels has a more complete approach to football than Shanahan did and I’m glad he brought that approach to the Broncos. I think his blue print (like NE & Pitt) is the basis for a stong organization and a contending team, hopefully for the long term.
Orangeman
by corangemanr on Apr 30, 2009 4:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The only real problem I have with all that came about was
the fact that many people are predicting a 5-11 season or an 8-8 season or a 6-10 season and that would mean that we gave up a TOP 10 PICK……it just makes me a little nervous
free special ed.
by Swissy14 on Apr 30, 2009 6:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't take any prediction seriously
Yes, even the La La Landers, simply because no one has played a single snap. Especially with new coaching.
People talk about looking at the talent on the roster, but talent doesn’t always win games (usually never). They can point to stats from last year, but that was a completely different team. They can point to not liking individual moves, but it takes a team. They can point to last years failure by the DL, but its one of the youngest units (currently 14 w/ >4 years experience) on one of the youngest teams in the NFL, etc.
The Broncos are very much a team in the growth stage of development and we as fans have an excellent opportunity to see one of the most talent units (offense) in the entire NFL mature and get better, along with the development of a nearly equally young defense. We must show patience, however. Anything worth doing, will take time and hard work.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Apr 30, 2009 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: lalalanders
the official 13-3 banner is only carried as far as the first regular season game, and then they drop it. They know better than to bring it in where reality is involved.
OH, they might use 13-3 as a rallying warcry, but not so much as a prediction.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 30, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we do but secretly
we all know we are going 13-3 until we lose 4
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 1, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, 13-3 is as ridiculus as the MSM calling for the Broncos to get a top 5 pick next year.
Well, the Seahawks now…
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on May 1, 2009 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was your idea!
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 1, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The red zone breakdown
TY very much for those stats. I suspected it really was primarily on Cutler’s shoulders, with help from a lack of healthy RB’s.
I have a sneaky suspicion that the RZ trouble for Jay will continue in Chicago. With the picks the Bears made, it’s going to be even harder for him…..with the exception of having Forte.
Outstanding post, and a great link to bookmark and send to all the experts!
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!
by Broncotodd on May 1, 2009 4:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Forte is a good back
They really need a better change of pace back – Jones’ 33 carries didn’t do it. Despite some rumors about Orton not being about to throw so the opposing D’s stacking the box (no truth to that at all, IMHO), the real problem seemed to be that opposing d’s knew that Chicago’s offense was simplistic and revolved around Forte and the short pass. Why not stack the box? And, for that matter, with a weak line and poor separation by the receivers, why not blitz off that stacked formation?
If Chicago draws up a new offense, in great part, Cutler will do much better for them. If they ask him to run the same offense with just a few more long throws, it will help a little, but not that much. Perhaps the biggest issue was that Orton was sacked over 11% of the time of third down passing situations. Chi has changed its line some (and hopes for a good outcome) and Cutler has a certain level of increased mobility, but It’s still going to be tough on Jay unless he gets both an open receiver and a better performance from the line.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 1, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle in College
Kyle in college and kyle in Chicago are the exact same Kyle. He doesn’t throw the ball deep and he won’t throw the ball to anyone who isn’t completely wide open. Ron Turner changes the offense around the QB. When Chicago had sexy rexy they threw the ball deeper than any other team. When Kyle takes over, they found ways for Kyle to throw short because he can’t throw long.
by surrealbears on May 4, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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