Cutler's Future in Chicago

I will root against him and root loudly for Orton.
Thats how it goes.
I agree….he will struggle in Chicago. Nothing against his skills, but when you are playing in Soldiers Field and Lambeau for 9 games of the season, its not a great recipe for success. Put that with a bad O line, NO recievers (including Hester who is a way better corner than a WR) and a QB that throws into coverage, this could be a season Jay himself never saw coming.
I think the Bears will be last in that division…or ver close to Detroit.
Have to factor in a declining defense as well. If Matt Forte goes down they are screwed!

People are forgetting (maybe wanting to forget) how much talent Cutler has. The guy will probably win 3 or 4 games by himself. I think Jay will make the O-line and the receivers better. The thing I’ll miss the most going from Cutler to Orton/Simms is not the arm strength. I’ll miss his running ability. I’ll miss his lowering his shoulder and taking on a tackler as he is getting hit. I’ll miss his Linebacker trapped in a QB’s body.

on my dynasty fantasy team. Seeing as I am an emotional guy, I now want to dump Cutler on some body else. The team with the first pick in this up comming draft has R. Moss – I (of course) have the last pick i round 1.

Do you think a swap of Players and picks is fair value? (Cutler + pick # 12 for Moss + pick # 1) Or am I asking for too much. His team really stinks, so I could give him pick # 13 also.

And are we “allowed” to talk fantasy on MHR?

He is to quick to lose his temper. Dropped balls, wrong routes …. getting smothered by multipul guys in the pocket. Try to sprint out only to have somebody already waiting to drive you to the ground. They are going to be monitoring his blood presure as well as sugar. He is expected to win. He does not have the guys around him to do it, out will come the boo birds and his temper will soar … his throws will become harder and harder to catch … except by the DB that gets hit in the numbers.

I expect way more interceptions. Without a guy like Brandon who can leap up through triple coverage and pull it down those forced passes Jay was making will be added to the INT column.

but I do not want him to do well. Does that make sense? I miss him but I am glad he is gone. The duality of life I guess.

Having said that, let us all move along. Got players to evaluate, schemes to incorporate, and other teams to…poop on! All Ready!

Not sure why people portray the Bears Oline as "Bad’. Forte ran for over 1200 yrds last year against mostly 8 man fronts because teams thought our QB sucked. He coulcn’t make all the throws so team stacked the box. The Oline was average last year, not good but not bad. Now they add in 4 new offensive lineman (including our #1 pick from last year, the Oline will be much improved from last year plus we now have QB that teams know can stretch the field and can’t stck the box. This will help us have a much more balanced attack. We practically have 2 new wr’s with Bennett now knowing th playbook and the new possession wr in Iglesias to go with Hester. Great group? no, average at best. Great running back, very good TE’s and a QB that can convert on 3rd down makes for a huge offensive upgrade. We don’t want Jay to throw for 4,000 yards because that would mean we were losing a lot of games. The question you guys have to ask is " how much worse is Marshall and Royal going to be when you don’t have a Qb who can make all the throws or has slow feet and can’t escape the pocket and takes more sacks?

over any rb and TE on your roster..

So Forte and Olsen vs Hillis, Moreno, Sheffler and Dan Graham……and thats only based on attacking weapons.
Want to look at blcoking and pass protection skills?
Forte and Olson vs Hillis, Moreno, Graham and Quinn….
In all these scenarios I will take our guys.
But thats why we are fans of our teams T…good luck for the season man and please keep visting MHR…thats what this site is about!

the first half of 2006 Grossman was tearing it up with bombs to Berrian and Mohamed. Then DCs got enough tape to study him and realized, he couldn’t read defenses and work through his progressions if his life depended on it. Grossman became very ordinary.

Fast forward to 2008. Jay Cutler is tearing up the league. Then DCs get tape and realize, the guy is supremely gifted but merely above average. If you take away his primary receiver he lacks the patience and discipline to work through his progressions or to check down. Cutler sees a litany of cover-2 and cover-3. His arm strength and accuracy lets him thread the needle on occasion, but eventually he kills his team with costly turnovers.

Prediction for 2009. Cutler will see nothing but cover-2 and cover-3. Teams will take away his primary target and force him to work through his progressions. His arm strength and accuracy will win 2 or 3 games for the Bears but ill timed turnovers will cost them 1 or 2 games as well. In the end the Bear are probably improved by about 1 game.

Player A: 151/244 (67.4%) for 1777 yards (7.28 YPA) with 10 TD and 4 INT in 8 games.
Player B: 187/300 (62.3%) for 2169 yards (7.23 YPA) with 15 TD and 10 INT in 8 games.

So, would you prefer Player A’s 90.8 QB rating or Player B’s 86.9? Now, what if I told you that “A” faced five eventual playoff teams in that span while “B” played against only two? And how about the fact that Player A was surrounded by an almost universally weaker supporting cast to the man in 2008-09 as opposed to Player B? Oh, and “B” played in the more favorable physical conditions as far as home fields are concerned. Guess what: Player A is Kyle Orton and Player B is Jay Cutler!

The cutoff is Orton’s ankle injury, by the way, after which he was far less consistent but still flashed the above illustrated efficiency from time to time. Kyle might not have the same talent, but I’ll take his skills over Jay’s. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, don’t be surpised if the new Broncos QB outperforms their old one in 2009-10.

I’ll admit I’m sad to see Cutler wearing a Bears jersey, and I enjoyed what he brought to the Broncos. However now that he’s a Bear I will no longer look forward to him succeeding. Not because of how everything happened, but because he plays for another team. I think the only person I will actually look forward to watching in the future is Shannahan. Of course when his success affects the Broncos, I will always choose the Broncos. Teams are forever, players and coaches are for moments and memories.

I’d like to add two things.

Cutler will also be throwing to Devin Hester…that is kind of a scary thought when you think about it. Jay can bomb it out there as good as any QB in the league and Hester is dangerous when he can catch the ball. I am expecting that to be Cutler’s best shot at being productive. The rest of his receiving threats are not very dangerous either.

Hester runs very sloppy routes. That won’t help Jay very much. However – Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen are very good TEs. Look for Chi to adapt some of the Broncos 2 TE sets from last year to shorten the learning curve and to have some success.

In 2005 when he won more than half of his career games, the playing was completely shut off for him becuase of his inability to execute. His job was to hand off, thor dump offs to the TE or a 7 yrd out to a wr. The defense and special teams won 11 games for the bears that year and they thought enough of his talent to put in Grossman for the playoffs becuase he gave them a better chance to win. He was better this year and more confident but the playbook was still underutilized becuase we had a QB who couldn’t make all the throws and could not escape a pass rush or audible to a differnet play to outsmart it. So you got yourself a game manager and maybe that is a good fit for him.

Orton has 21 W’s. He won 10 in 2005
Orton was scouted as being unready to play right out of college, so your point for that year is well taken, but that’s inaccurate for 2008. A game manager wouldn’t have the red zone numbers that Orton did, which were far better than Cutlers from last season. The rest of the league scouts that I’ve read, so that this isn’t about my opinion, have universally praised Orton’s skill in the audible. He ran the no-huddle offense at least as well as Cutler, and many scouts have said that he’s better there. Folks can disagree.
But in the red zone – Orton has a better touch throw. Cutler has a powerful arm, but hasn’t been good when he needs to take some off of it. Orton’s completion percentage, TD percentage, QB rating and yards per attempt were all better than Cutler’s in the red zone. That wasn’t due to a deficiency in the Denver running attack, either. The Broncos ypc and total rushing yards were quite a bit better than Chicago’s.

was pretty good in the red zone. He made some nice throws and did have some good moments in the no huddle (which we wanted to see more of) when other teams were playing back. The problem for KO is actually getting to the red zone on a consistent basis. For every one nice drive, he followed that up with three bad ones. I guess his inconsistency is his most glaring problem because he obviously had some good moments for us. As far as Denver’s YPC vs Chi goes huge difference which I believe will believe you will take a step back on this year. The bears faced constant 8 man fronts last year because of Orton’s inability to throw downfield with any strentgh or accuracy. With Cutler at QB that was not a dilemna you had to go up against. But you will this year.

You know, after I watched all of the Bears games from last year, I got the impression that the 8 man fronts came from 2 areas. The first was that the Bears are famous for a simplistic running game. I don’t mean that as a knock, and I like Forte, but they didn’t have the deception to run as well as they needed to with those receivers and that line.

The second came after Orton was injured. I didn’t think that you could argue that a fellow with a bad high ankle sprain that has him limping should be expected to be mobile. Prior to the injury, he had a better QB rating than Cutlers from 2008 and he still moved pretty well. I thought that he held the ball too long, but he was also waiting for someone to get open.

Scheme matters, too. Play action is a common way to reduce QB pressure and the Bears didn’t use it to protect Orton or the running game. As a result, the Bears ypc and total rushing yardage was less than Denver’s from 2008, even with all of the injuries. Thoughts?

I don’t think that we’ll see any drop off in ypc or total yardage. With our O line and the combination of Moreno, Hillis, Buckhalter, Jordan and the NE based scheme, do you see why we would have a less effective running game?

Is that most of our receivers are awesome YAC receivers…

I agree with other posts that say that the Bears will be better than you think. If that defense gets back to a top 10 they should have a successful season. Personally I think Cutler would thrive if he has some short fields to work with, and that will take the pressure off of him to try to make every play into a big play. Also I think he will make that O-line better with his ability to avoid pressure. As far as Hester goes he is developing as a WR, which could be seen towards the end of last season.

I started thinking the other day about why the Bears wanted Cutler beyond the obvious and I came up with Shanny. I have not read all the posts on the trade so this might have been covered elsewhere, but I know that Lovie is under some pressure to repeat his success of a few years ago, and with the defensive core getting older that window for success is closing. So could the Bears be positioning themselves to get into the Shanny sweepstakes next off-season, by having his boy at QB?

Personally I will root for success for Cutler, because even though I feel like his off the field personality needs some maturing, I do like how he hated to lose on the field, and I feel he gave everything to the Broncos on the field. I think he is a lot like Melo, I know different sport, and if he can find his Chauncy he will be amazing.

but as Ted says, people change. Mostly I’ll be rooting for the first rounder, but even that I don’t care about too much. Anything around 8-8 to 10-6 is fine by me.

And for the record, I am expecting Chicago to have a decent year. I don’t think the future is too bright for them, but that is just my opinion based on the high price they gave for Cutler. I also didn’t think Cutler was the “key” to victory for them. If Forte can stay healthy, and if the deense can get pumped up, I think they have as good of a shot at winning as anyone else. 10-6 would not surprise me.

when he found out he was traded to the Broncos. The Broncos Offensive line can make alot of mediocre quarterbacks look good. I am not saying that as a slight against cutler (even though I resent the remark he made about his arm being stonger than Elway’s) he will make his mark in Chicago I am sure. Kyle Orton will flourish in the “system” and with this Offensive line, there is no dooubt in my mind. 3rd stringer Hackney probably could have done well. The point is will cutler hold up to the adversity that he will be faced with in Chicago? I don’t know and niether does anybody else until it happens. One thing we can all agree on (hopefully) is he will be playing in a tougher division ie Packers and Rams. Not to mention in the later months of the season the harsh invironment (whew!!)

cutler here in Denver was given (it seemed) a free pass to do what ever he felt like in the RED ZONE, and on several occasions, he failed. Shortly after McDaniels raised the #6 jersey at the owners meeting, he made it loud and clear that the bottom line is to score points. I don’t know if McDaniels holding up the jersey and saying “he’s our quarterback” eased any pain cutler might of been feeling towards the Coach, but I’m pretty sure he had to go out to Best Buy and get himself a new TV when he heard the statement “bottom line is to score points”, especially when the guy (Bates was fired) who was giving him a ticket to chuck the ball anywhere he wanted.

In a way I feel a little sorry for jay not being able to explode for yardage and “points” with his old teammates who he dearly loved…Nah…13-3 Baby!!!

I think he is a good QB

His problems are:

his in accuracy on the deep ball (which was made up for by marshall royal et al)

his inabilty to accurately find the checkdown in time/ contempt (my opinion) for the checkdown

his ego thinking he can ALWAYS make the tight throw.

Those were masked by my kool-aid driniking and my “well he will learn” mentality.

I wish him the best (after this year) and hope he leads the bears to the super bowl only to have Doom ruin his day!

I, like others, want the Bears to have a bad season because we get their first round pick next year. However, I don’t see myself rooting for Jay this year or any other year after that. Part of it is because, well, he isn’t a Bronco and the other is how things ended. I don’t hate him by any means ( just not fond of him), it is just that I don’t root for players that don’t play for the Broncos. If he as sucess over there then good for him.

i hate cutler now! he quit on us!

I’ll be rooting for Cutler to fail and do so horribly. In 2009-10, I want the Bears to be awful beyond measure and I want it to be all his fault. I’ll never root for a guy to get hurt, so I’ll just hope he has a complete thermonuclear football meltdown and flames out fo the league sooner rather than later. I hated him in Vandy (I’m a Gator), forgave him when he doned the Orange and Blue in Denver, but I’m back to hating him now.

I can’t wait for his Leafesque locker room interview meltdown after throwing 5 interceptions where he threatens to rip the reporters head off.

I can’t wait for the bears to come to town and face “THE DOOM AND GLOOM”.13-3 Baby!!!

I don’t get it I was a huge Cutler fan because the Rat Genius told us he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I overlooked the open receivers he overlooked, overlooked the stupid plays he mad (picks near the end zone,picks on huge drives….) overlooked the F bombs he thew at his teammates when they were down, overlooked some horrible throws into triple coverage because B Marsh and Eddie came up with them anyway; Even avoided cussing him when he overthrew or threw right by Stokely figuring the best route runner in the NFL screwed up. Sorry I hope my rose colored glasses were all wrong and he stinks it up in Chicago in spite of his rocket launcher. Ciao