The draft buzz on Kyle Orton in 2005

by gahoagie on Apr 6, 2009 3:36 AM MDT

Kyle Orton, QB, Purdue Sr 6-4, 233

Positives
A true safety-first QB. Will never, ever force a deep ball or anything into double coverage unless it absolutely needs it (just 5 picks in his senior year). He has the field-reading skills of a 10 year NFL vet and can diagnose a blitz instantly, and is happy to sit in against it and make his reads. Good timing is a huge part of his play, especially in the underneath and short-medium range passes. He won’t even consider parting with the ball until he is certain his receiver is open, and may be on a par with plenty of NFL quarterbacks when it comes to play action – think ol’ Peyton but slightly less polished.

Negatives
One thing will stick out to NFL scouts – watching him throw a long ball is just plain painful. They’re either off target ( a long way ), underthrown so the receiver has to slow down to a crawl to receive it, or he sits in the pocket so long he gets snapped in two. Another warning sign has to be his benching towards the end of his senior season when it all fell apart rather briskly. One more slight knock is that he played almost all of his college career out of the shotgun spread offense, and will take a long time to adjust to the complexities of an NFL passing scheme.

Pro Potential
Orton is one of those QBs that you just know can be successful in a particular system. In a short to intermediate passing game he could well be a comfortable NFL starter as long as he can adjust to the rigours of the big league.

Best fit
Somewhere in a conservative system with plenty of underneath passes (think the Patriots) where he has a couple of years to learn his trade at a higher level. He gets those two – solid NFL QB in a few years.

Found this evaluation at: www.footballsfuture.com

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Thanks gahoagle nice find.

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by boydy2669 on Apr 6, 2009 5:23 AM MDT reply actions

Thanks, took me a couple hours to dig this up

Thanks for the rec’s guys… My first fanpost here. longtime lurker

by gahoagie on Apr 7, 2009 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions

I Love These!

Thanks for the find.

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by ejruiz on Apr 6, 2009 6:31 AM MDT reply actions

Think "Patriots"

Awesome. Post. +1

The dude abides.

by Kribbles on Apr 6, 2009 8:28 AM MDT reply actions

Loved that too!

And this:

One more slight knock is that he played almost all of his college career out of the shotgun spread offense, and will take a long time to adjust to the complexities of an NFL passing scheme.

Not a knock for this system! Awesome awesome awesome.

He’ll need to earn the start, but I like his skill set for what we want to do. Good job, McD. You did your homework on a guy many people (me!) at first thought was a mere token add to the trade.

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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions

It appears, he is built for the type of system we will be employing.

giggity giggity.

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by Tim Lynch on Apr 7, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions

Low risk = low reward

That is a good fit for a team with a good D and/or good ST. Hmmm, sounds like Chicago was the antithesis of Denver. At any rate, I can’t picture the D being any worse. The ST has been blah for so many years that I am not sure what will get improvement in that critical aspect of the game. Maybe getting more LBs from the switch to the 3-4 will spruce up the ST.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Apr 6, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

Hadn't thought of that

Nice connection. +1 and Rec’d.

by broncosmontana on Apr 8, 2009 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions

Actually that's not true...

the cost of a mistake far, far and away, exceeds the value of a great play. Announcers don’t understand that; fans don’t appreciate it, and Madden/Fantasy don’t accurately account for it. But several studies have shown that mistakes, especially turnovers are what win and lose games more than almost anything else.

Just look at last season. When the Broncos took care of the ball we won; we they turned it over we lost. Nothing else really made a difference.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 8, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions

+1

That’s especially true if the player that commits 20 turnovers can get rattled when he does.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Apr 8, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions

+1 more

by Leukadian on Apr 8, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions

"Fear is the mind killer"

There are statistical and probability studies that support the turnovers = losses perspective, but players that don’t have confidence in QBs that can cause some fear in the opponents and hope in their teammates usually don’t play well during crunch time. Losing quietly produces the same end result as losing brashly.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Apr 9, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions

Think Josh McDaniels

Excellent – Got Neck Beard?

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions

i'm not real crazy about that nic...ick

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Apr 7, 2009 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions

I think honestly

it will die down when he shows up without a beard then we will probably stop

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 7, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions

He did. Will we?

Nah….

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Apr 8, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions

Give us a new one

by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 8, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions

What's wrong with KO?

MHRsGirl say Knock you Out?

by Leukadian on Apr 8, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions

I found this quite interesting...

Rec’d. More people should read this

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by Elway4Prez on Apr 6, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions

Good to know.

And I think this is exactly the type of QB Coach McD wanted. Let’s hope it still holds true.

"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields

by Donut King on Apr 6, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions

mmmmmmmmm...

Krispy Kreme

by topnation on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions

Rec'd

Like this – watch some highlight reels, that lack of deep threat rings so true, watch the receivers break stride

That Rivers idiot in SD is laughing his ass off right now!

by nealjamb on Apr 6, 2009 3:07 PM MDT reply actions

We won't need it!

I hope. O.o

by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions

+1

give Marshall and Royal the rock and let them do their thing

by lolcopter on Apr 6, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions

Great find, I love the "think the Patriots" part!

Just for kicks, here’s what Scout’s Inc had to say (have to be an ESPN Insider to view)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?playerId=8520

Orton is going into his fourth year and has good size and above-average athletic ability. He has a strong arm and can make all the throws. He can fit the ball into tight windows or toss it deep with accuracy. He is more of a pocket passer who has a three-quarter release and can get the ball out relatively quickly. Orton has lots of raw talent. He isn’t fleet-of-foot, but has enough foot agility and quickness to move and avoid pressure to make plays downfield. He appears to have matured reading coverages better and taking what the defense gives him rather than forcing the ball when under pressure. He has the tools to be an effective signal caller in the league but isn’t a player who can carry a club. He will compete for the starting position in 2008.

The healing process has begun....

by ohiobronco on Apr 6, 2009 7:26 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs

If you didn't notice, this was going into the 2008 season...

The healing process has begun....

by ohiobronco on Apr 6, 2009 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions

What's a three-quarter release? Why does it matter? Anyone?

by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions

Basically they are speaking of throwing motion and his release point -

A three quarter release is not quite side arm but not considered an over the top motion either, it’s kind of in between but more sidearm. The 3/4 release is thought to be a quicker release than a traditional over the top motion but some scouts don’t like the “mechanics” of it. Vince Young was said to have a 3/4 release. In the NFL with the men in the trenches so big nowadays scouts worry about a 3/4 release getting batted down at the line.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Apr 6, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions

Ahhh, got it. Thanks!

I was thinking longitudinally, not latitudinally. Thanks for clearing that up.

by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions

I liked some of the points made on this...

Namely his ability to read coverages, stand in on the blitz, avoiding throws into coverage,and ability to perform play-action. May be some nice new features for us around here.

by gahoagie on Apr 7, 2009 1:50 AM MDT reply actions

Nice find gahoagie....

Right now I’m getting into supporting Orton or Simms mode…….let the best man win. During pre-season we are undefeated and my team will stay that way until they don’t. I think both QB’s will love the big target in Brandon and the exact passing routs of Eddie. I’m beginning to feel really good about this season.