Horse Tracks 4/6/09

Good morning, friends - nothing from the DP today, but Peter King's Monday column is an absolute must-read, and Gary Miller interviewed Kyle Orton at DIA. Have a great Monday!
SI - King offers the details on how The Trade went down, as told by Bears GM Jerry Angelo. According to King, Josh McDaniels thinks he can win with Kyle Orton. During the trade negotiations with Chicago, McDaniels met with Knowshon Moreno, Brian Orakpo and Tyson Jackson. Later, King chats with Orton.
CBS4 - Gary Miller caught up with Orton at DIA yesterday. Video here. The accompanying article is here.
NFL - Here was Pat Kirwan's look at the draft needs of the AFC West teams (I think I had missed this one).
DDN - The Dayton Daily News is hearing that both the Bengals and Broncos are "very high" on RB Knowshon Moreno.
ESPN - Former Bronco Mark Cooper uses fishing to fulfill his need for competition.
NFP - According to NBC Bay Area, the Raiders are deep into discussions with QB Jeff Garcia, who would compete with JaMarcus Russell for the starting job.
BG - Mike Reiss offers a solid collection of NFL notes, including his evaluation of the Cutler trade.
NYDN - Gary Myers also put together some notes, including a timeline of the Cutler story.
NFL - The Vikings and CB Antoine Winfield are discussing a contract extension.
NFP - Wes Bunting takes a look at DE Aaron Maybin of Penn State.
CBS - Clark Judge examines the Bears' draft needs.
Scout - In their latest mock draft, Scout.com has Denver trading all the way up to #3 with the Chefs to get Matthew Stafford.
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NYC!
Goodmorning brother, thanks for the articles!
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
Two things
I think I would be furious if the Broncos traded up to draft Matt Stafford. But, after reading Peter King’s article (a must read, by the way), I am not scared as much. We have all seen McDaniels’ success with quarterbacks, so I really do think that Orton should be able to flourish in the system. Remember, Brady and Cassel couldn;t even get any snaps in college, and Orton had 3000+ yards and 30+ touchdowns in his senior year. He has a good arm, and he’s accurate. With the right supporting cast (the Broncos have a great one) I think he can be good.
I Hope and Pray...
May we NOT draft Stafford or Sanchez, even if they fall to us at #12… or #18… or #48! I’ve been saying for some time that I think Stafford is going to be a bust in the NFL much like (and here’s the dirty little secret) he disappointed at UGA. Even though I think more highly of Sanchez (it’s a mental make-up thing) I still don’t like him much.
"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish
"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
Good Morning nyc Thanks for Horse Tracks...
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Moreno!!
Bring him in. That being said, Peter King’s article has assuaged any fears I had that we might try to bring in either Sanchez or Stafford. If Orton was the key, and the Skins weren’t even in consideration because of Orton despite having a pick before us in the first round to offer… there is no way that McX would pull the trigger on any of the first-round QBs this year.
Or so I pray.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Apr 6, 2009 7:11 AM MDT reply actions
Thanks NYC
You’re right, the Peter King article is a must-read. It had the ring of truth to it, although he didn’t cite any sources. My favorite line of the article: “…or the Jets think the New York spotlight would have been too white-hot for a rabbit-ears guy like Cutler to handle,..” is King’s discussion about why the Jets were never really in the negotiating.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
agree
very good read .. although I don’t agree on some of his thoughts.
You can think and I can think it’s crazy he didn’t like Campbell — who got Washington off to a 6-2 start last year — more than he liked Orton, but it’s the unvarnished truth.
I was scared we’d get Campbell .. he’s terrible. And on top of that he fell apart after starting 6-2 with an ex-QB as his head coach. That tells you one thing, he’s uncoachable.
Imagine Tom Brady ignoring calls from Bob Kraft. It’d never happen. Imagine Dan Rooney getting snubbed by Ben Roethlisberger, or Peyton Manning ditching Jim Irsay. Never in a million years, regardless of how they felt about what was happening with the team.
When it’s put this way, it really shows where the final fault lies in this whole thing.
what is that fact with cambell? 6 system changes in his last 6 years
that has to lead something to his struggles
+2
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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
what bought Cutler a ride out -- re: the King article
It’s been interesting to watch the the “good cop/bad cop” psychological dynamics at work in the Cutler issue. A typical attitude expressed (by a certain type of fan) was that McDaniels was the villain while Xanders and Bowlen were blameless. It was an arbitrary assignment of guilt, which stems from the psychological dynamics involved, so the fact that it was an implausible belief is moot.
Cutler’s claim of “assurances” regarding “keeping the offensive coaching staff intact” was the first shot across the bow of what appears to have been Cook’s strategy to use maximum leverage by essentially accusing Bowlen of lying, and it obviously didn’t sit well with Bowlen. Cutler’s later refusal to respond to Bowlen’s calls was the final stroke, and Cutler’s (apparent) lying about his refusal to return calls was merely gravy since the decision to trade him had already been announced.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/05/trade/index.html
“-In all the years Bowlen has owned the team, he has never felt quite the disrespect from a player or coach that he felt from Cutler ignoring his attempts to speak to him to attempt to bridge the problems between player and team. And you cannot underestimate how significant this was in Bowlen’s Tuesday night pronouncement that Cutler was being put up on the trading block.”
We can question how King would know this, but it’s probably a correct assessment. McDaniels seemed intent on outwaiting Cutler but the strategy of attacking Bowlen was the final straw from Bowlen’s perspective. I don’t think it had much to do with Bowlen’s feelings, although receiving the same treatment as McDaniels no doubt awoke him him to the fact that Cutler & Cook were going to employ a no holds barred strategy. The realization that Cutler was willing to burn all bridges in his effort to escape Denver appears to have led Bowlen to make the right decision (IMO) to acquiesce to Cutler’s trade demands.
Morning NYC
excellnt job always the only “quarterback project” i like this year in Parker Wilson and we can get him LATE with #235 so i am good
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
Kirwan doesn't list RB as a need
Our numbers are high but not that high so I’m not so sure. It’s not so much a need as an opportunity to add to the team in a way that would impact success.
Journalists in the Cutler/McDaniels Fray
One fun part of an otherwise unpleasant episode in Bronco history has been watching which journalists get their info from sources provided by the team, which call the agents, which do independent digging and which try to balance out the facts. Denver Post columnists were caught in the middle (and Woody Paige clearly doesn’t care what anyone may object to in his columns!)
While I like Peter King as a person, and am especially gratified at what he is doing for Paul Zimmerman, I found his reporting on this episode to be heavily slanted towards the current Bronco management. Others went the other way. What will prove interesting down the road will be which journalists will get insider access to Bronco info (“from sources inside the Broncos”) and which will be shut out. You expect this stuff in the political world and it will continue to be interesting to watch it play out in the sporting world.
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 6, 2009 11:22 AM MDT reply actions
what you really mean by "slanted"
Find some “slant” and show it to us.
What you really mean is the the facts were slanted against your POV. Denial aint just a river in Africa.
A more accurate way to say that...
would be that King’s reporting has been more favorable to the organization than others, especially local media. Whether that is slanted or not depends on the facts which I doubt we will every know completely.
I noticed that over the weekend King is not backing away from his contention that cutler sought a trade before the FA period began, yet no one else in the national media seems to be backing that. I’m not sure what it means but it is interesting.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 6, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Prater...
Disagree with Kirwan. Strictly a kickoff specialist? Maybe, maybe not. Jury’s out – Elam wasn’t a lock for Canton at first either.
I expect Prater to improve and if not, well…that’s what training camp is for. There will be competition. The fact he’s still even on the roster says McJunior thinks he can play.
I noted that, too
Kirwan’s perspective is that of an outsider. It’s not far-fetched but the staff had already addressed this situation. I wouldn’t mind seeing Gano picked (but only with a late pick, and he won’t last that long) but it’s premature to conclude that Prater doesn’t have what it takes.
a breath of ... er.... fresh air
9. I think I don’t care at all if B.J. Raji smoked pot at Boston College. I’d guess that would make him one of about 150 players of the 328 who attended the Scouting Combine who smoked pot at one time or other during their college years. I bet I’m underestimating that, really. Now, if there’s some indication that Raji smokes so much pot that he couldn’t get cleaned up in time for the combine, or he smokes so much that he’s mentally addicted to it, that’s another matter.
I applaud SI.com for breaking the story, and it deserves to be reported. But what I do not applaud is the knee-jerk reaction by some NFL front offices about it. Some front offices are way, way too hung up on vilifying guys who did the occasional doobie in college while virtually ignoring the exploits of guys who got smashed at keg parties over and over at college.
Reply to Colinski
You asked for evidence of Peter King’s slant in favor of current Denver management
4/6 Gives great detail about McDaniels’ prep work on Orton that you could only get from talking to McDaniels. Gets facts from McDaniels about cell phone usage. Gets comments from Bowlen. Emphasized that Broncos felt dissed
Slant- King’s sources are Bronco personnel and he appears to have extraordinary access to them. No sources from the Cutler side of the controversy. No hardball questions to McDaniels about how aggressively he shopped Cutler. No serious examination about how Cutler could possibly view being undercut by McDaniels from the day the Coach entered Dove Valley.
4/2 “Jay Cutler has three people to blame for his trade.. Cutler, Cutler, Cutler.” In the article he gives facts that could only have come from Bronco sources.
Slant- No serious examination of how Cutler could have viewed communications as lacking from the Bronco end. No attribution of blame to anyone but Cutler. Who started this—- it certainly wasn’t Cutler.
3/31 Uses only Bronco sources to push the phone call aspect of the dispute.
Slant- No serious examination of multiple mistakes of communication and lack of support given by McDaniels to “the player.”
3/22 King reports that he does not expect Cutler to be traded, stating “I do think coach Josh McDaniels will exhaust every avenue to try to get Cutler to play.”
Slant- Any effort to communicate with Cutler or his agent to see what they were saying?
3/15 McDaniels spoke directly with King about his confidence that he could coach Cutler well and Cutler could learn from him.
Slant- any effort by King to determine why McDaniels dangled Cutler in trade talk and was now backtracking to a reporter, but NEVER admitting that he screwed up by the way he handled it?
Finally, colinski, you state in response to my article trying to articulate a viewpoint, “Denial aint just a river in Africa.” You may have just made my point. Communication skills come from respecting the other person’s viewpoint, not from attacking them for having a different viewpoint.
One can be a fan of the Denver Broncos, but not be a fan of how the franchise has behaved lately. It’s not denial, it’s thinking differently. We all have our slants. You too.
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 6, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions
I think you are missing one key peice to this puzzle...
King has asserted all along that cutler sought a trade before the FA period. I haven’t seen that reported by anyone else but him, and McD has said that cutler did not ask him about a trade at that time.Yet he was still making that assertion this weekend. If we assume that King beleives that is true (whether or not it factually is so) that would completely explain your take on his slant.
BTW: According to King it was Angelo in Chicago who told him about McD reviewing the tapes on Orton, not anyone from the Broncos.
I agree that King has probably been the most sympathetic to the organization of anyone in the national media. But that is only slant if he is mistaken and others are correct. I don’t think we will ever now the complete truth. Cutler seems to have no problem changing his story and their certainly are discrepancies in the organizations story as well.
false consensus
The idea that a point of view is being advocated — while true, in some cases — is at home within what has been disparagingly called “cultural relativism,.” which presumes that truth is dependent on one’s POV.
I don’t engage in political conversations while here but I’m closer politically to those cultural relativists than the people who are usually making that charge. However, there are instances in which the charge of cultural relativism is valid, although it’s on epistemological questions and not normative ones (i.e., there are always normative differences that exist in a multi-cultural society).
An interesting example of ‘relativizing’ truth — and one I’ve studied informally — is the “wedge” strategy employed by the Discovery Institute (now renamed). The purpose of the wedge strategy was to promote the idea that a valid disagreement existed over certain biological questions and that one side of the argument was unfairly suppressing the truth by refusing to allow the ‘other side’ of the argument to be taught in schools. As a former student of Evolutionary Biology I won’t pretend to consider ‘both’ sides of the argument valid; one is a religious argument and the other is scientific. Moreover, I’m not questioning the validity of the religious belief as a religious belief. The wedge strategy was openly advocated (on their website) as an attempt to “teach the controversy,” in an attempt to exploit the divergence in POV as a rationale for allowing students to decide for themselves between competing scientific theories. One of these theories had a clear religious provenance and was renamed as Intelligent Design after the Court decision in the late 80s prevented the teaching of Creationism — which was deemed a religious belief — as though it were a scientific theory.
Teaching both ‘sides’ of an issue presumes that the truth is best ascertained when every POV is allowed equal access to the court of public opinion. And the expression “a fair and open hearing” was even used to justify why Intelligent Design should be given the same treatment as theories advocated by what advocates of I.D. referred to pejoratively as “Darwinists.”
THE SOLOMONIC FALLACY — half a kid is better than none
Another issue became home to a similar type of debate — Global Warming. Critics of the theory were fond of pointing out that ‘both’ sides of the issue should be covered in the media. Rather than merely cover one side of the issue, which is anathema in scientific practice, journalists were supposed to present a "full’ view of the issue and note that there were some who disagreed with the picture being presented by climate scientists. The problem was that the con side of the debate had very few adherents, and most of them weren’t climate scientists but citizens (often with prestigious degrees, although usually in other fields), and their disagreements with the the theory of global warming had little to do with science and a lot to do with politics. The expectation that both sides of the issue should be covered was called the “false consensus” since giving equal weight to both sides had the effect of creating an impression that both sides were equal or deserved equal consideration. In fact, one side of the issue was composed of a wide cross section of the scientific community while the other was primarily composed of paid advocates of the fossil fuel industry, who often went to great lengths to hide this connection since it appeared to be (and was) an organized effort to avoid legislation that would cost the fossil fuel industry money.
The question of whether the DP “slanted” their stories to favor the Bronco management’s POV presumes that Cutler’s POV has been unfairly suppressed and that, if given the chance, Cutler’s POV would reveal an equally valid perspective or a ‘grayness,’ that frequently develops when neutral observers are allowed to inspect all the facts at hand.
I think you’ve been extraordinarily creative, Baltimore Bronco, in supplying Cutler’s POV as a suggested balance to what you consider unbalanced coverage (although some of these are columns that have a different purpose than news coverage). The biggest logical problem — of course — with inventing plausible sounding explanations for the lack of communication from Cutler’s POV is that it presumes that lack of coverage from Cutler’s POV was a journalistic decision rather than a strategy on the part of Cook and Cutler to avoid contact with the media except off-the-record comments by Cook (presumably the “source close to Cutler” that’s cited frequently) and highly scripted news conferences designed to deliver a particular message, one that’s best understood from a PR perspective.
A second major problem with your presentation of all issues from what you regard as the ‘missing’ Cutler POV, Baltimore Bronco, is that it relies heavily on imagination. We’re not being asked to examine the actual reasons, in a concrete form, for why there was a breakdown in communication, but instead, we’re asked to imagine what the Cutler response would be if it weren’t absent. This technique underlies many PR strategies and is also central to why cognitive biases such as stereotyping and representativeness are persuasive. It’s also been suggested that “plausible deniability” operates on this dynamic, as a basic highly recognizable story form is presented minus any details and the observer invents the details using their imagination. It’s also the apparent centerpiece to Cook’s MO and has been demonstrated in past issues involving him. ‘Incubation’ is used to allow the story to spread, as the media scrambles to fill in details that are missing while a deliberate ‘media lockout’ is imposed by Cook. It has the effect of encouraging speculation during the incubation period, and off-base speculations can even be denied (demonstrating credibility) in the course of making specific denials against the most telling explanations for (Cutler’s) behavior. Thusly, Cooks anticipates the holdout charge and attempts to preempt it by claiming that Cutler will be in camp even while engaging in a lockout strategy by having Cutler fail to appear, which increases the likelihood that a lockout will indeed happen unless Cutler’s demands for a new contract or trade are met.
The problem with the media coverage of the McJaygate issue was never a slanting towards the Broncos’ management. Quite the contrary, media coverage was heavily slanted towards Cook’s & Cutler’s desired storyline of a slighted Cutler who was now due recompense of some sort because of that slight. The slighted Cutler slant dominated early coverage until alternative explanations emerged that cast the original story in a very, very different light. As is typical, sports ‘journalists’ didn’t admit to failings in their original coverage but did attempt to ‘correct’ the issue by pointing out that Cutler & Cook’s behavior could have a very different explanation, and one that the journalists themselves has previously ignored in their rush to cover a hot story in which many of the pertinent facts were still unknown. It’s also highly probable that many of the journalists were burned by their reliance on off-the-record interviews with Cook and their later reaction was an attempt to rectify being spun by Cook previously — although they’re unable to admit to this because of the original confidentiality agreement with Cook. They’re also unable to admit to it for purely psychological reasons — it would be an admission that they were ‘had.’
It’s typical for people to remain in denial long past what we would expect. Once implanted, falsehoods can continue to operate even after their falsity has demonstrated beyond the point where a reasonable doubt still exists. Cherished beliefs owe their existence to the fact that attitudes are often less empirical descriptions of the world than statements about how we’d like to see the world — an aspiring view or wishful thinking perspective. People frequently “side” with a person or perspective when there are empirical doubts. People restore balance to a “dissonant” situation by siding with who (or what) they like. Fans liked Cutler, mostly because of his ability to throw the ball, and they sided with him and against McDaniels when the story broke. They didn’t know McDaniels, so it was easy for people to imagine all sorts of nefarious intentions on his part, since the void of information provided a blank canvas upon which people were able to draw the picture of a villain.
Surprisingly (or perhaps not), people are highly resistant to changing negative ascriptions once they’ve formed. People cling to their prejudice and even protect it by erecting elborate defenses, often in the form of fantastic rationalizations that allow them ‘explain’ the schism between observable reality and their beliefs. One of the most well-known examples of denial is the example of holocaust denial, often practiced by naive Germans who couldn’t reconcile their patriotic feelings with the evidence of horrific acts by German leaders. An example of rationalizing in the face of contrary evidence is the end of the world cults who were able to rationalize the fact that the world didn’t end at the predicted time by ‘discovering’ new evidence that explained the discrepant result.
Good Comment, SWG
Fair enough, from another SlowWhiteGuy (or in my case, an Aging, Slow, Ice Obstacle on my Hockey Team).
I think that King is communicating the New Bronco Staff position. He has wonderful access to them and we need to hear that side of the story.
I also think that Cutler showed a little more class that the Broncos did last weekend by not rehashing the matter when given the opportunity, while Bowlen and McDaniels argued their cases to the press by letter or press conference.
My take is that both sides showed immaturity, excessive pride, and ego issues by letting the thing blow up like it did.
Reporting-wise, I used the term slant because nearly every source for King was from the Broncos. They clearly felt comfortable pushing their side of the story out through King and not through most (except Klis and the other K) of the Denver Bronco reporters. I think that hurts objectivity because it is very hard to bite the hand that feeds you info and access is critical for a reporter.
I thought Thomas George of NFL.com was much more objective and worked harder to use sources from both sides.
I think Woody’s slant was in the direction of ’the player" Jay Cutler.
I did not intend to convey that I thought Peter King had a bias, or was being unethical. I just found him to push the Bronco side a little uncritically. At least that’s the view that came out to me loudly and clearly.
Thanks for the courtesy of your response. We are all just trying to digest a lousy situation. I am thinking Cher and “if I could turn back time..” Lame, I know, but I am old and sentimental.
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 6, 2009 1:34 PM MDT reply actions
That's what makes MHR so special
We can agree to disagree and contributor debates are noted for their depth and civility. Thanks for expressing your feelings on this. Many are making the point that we shouldn’t let our feelings about what transpired to color our deeper analysis of the facts, and I agree. It’s a sad situation, made sadder by discord among lifelong fans. I know there will always be some pain associated with looking back at this off season, we can put this behind us and win some games ASAP. Losing a HOF coach and a stud QB in a few short months is reason enough to be sad, but losing a number of hardcore fans to what I believe was a fixable situation in which all sides share blame is downright tragic. That’s why I’m glad we have MHR — a voice of reason where all opinions are welcome and thoughtful analysis is everyone’s responsibility.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
meant to say
but hopefully we can put this behind us and win some games ASAP.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Steve-O
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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind wasting a later draft pick on Graham Harrell or Chase Daniels, just to add a little more competition. Plus I think they could both thrive in the right system.
But there is no way we should take a QB in the first round, especially if we have to trade up to get it and even more importantly especially if we have to trade with KC to get him.
Totally agree, TJ
As much as I’d like a new first round stud QB to replace the one we lost, the need to repair the D is just too great. All first round picks whether spent, traded up, or traded down, need to be devoted to the D. Besides, McDaniels is sort of known for being the “Denver running game of QB coaches”, turning late round gems into stars. The two you mentioned sound fine to me!
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by broncosmontana on Apr 6, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Last word on Cutler!
The Stefan Fatsis article- http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/stefan-fatsis-on-jay-cutler/ -was by far the most complete and insightful article on this whole fiasco and because he was there it carries more weight. I will say that while I liked Cutler as a player I never cared for his punk attitude but his play made me willing to overlook that. But from day one of all this drama I jumped off the Cutler bandwagon. I have felt all along that this drama was Cutler and his agent stirring the pot and they were trying to powerplay the Broncos. After reading Fatsis’ article I know my feelings were right on. Jay and his agent knew when Shannie got fired that a new contract was not going to happen. And if it wasn’t this year it would have been next year we would have had drama over a contract the Broncos weren’t going to pay for. Jay and his agent now have what they want. Chicago is agog over Cutler some are calling him the next Micheal Jordan. And believe it they will pay his price after paying a huge price in draft choices. The Bears now have no choice but to give him what he wants. But for those that think a Super Bowl is a lock for the Bears remember this, the Bears are old on defense, lacking in talent on offense, especially on the line and receivers. And the GM Angelo is a terrible talent evaluator just look at his first round picks the last ten years. And remember that Lovie Smith and Ron Turner are average offensive coaches. So it isn’t a forgone conclusion that it will work out there. The Broncos aren’t going to the Bowl this year or the next, even if Cutler had stayed, as Shannie left the defense in terrible shape. And getting that defense in shape now becomes the priority of the Broncos brain trust. Now I am no fool McDaniel and Xanders are young and raw but how about we all give them a chance to show us what they can do with this bounty of draft picks the next two years. To me this has the potential to be the kind of deal that will make the Broncos a force for the next decade. Now it could all blow up in their faces but I believe in Mr. Bowlen as he is widely regarded as one of the top three or four owners in the NFL and one of the best in all of sports. So he deserves the benefit of a doubt. For all you hysterical whiners and Cutler apologists remember that Jay didn’t want to be here so why waste time soothing his soul and kissing his egotistical butt. Lets move on!
Last Word?
Why do some of you wish to trash Jay Cutler, then say “last word,” let’s move on? If you want to heal, then don’t start or continue an argument. You can’t be that family member who always wants to get in the last nasty comment, then shut down the debate.
What we have is a divided Bronco Nation. At this point, people are not going to change positions easily. If you want to move on, don’t throw stones. It doesn’t help to heal to use terms like “Cutler apologists” any more than it does to talk about “drinking the Bronco Cool Aid.”
Let’s lower the rhetoric and truly move on, or just keep bitching both sides all the way through 2009.
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 7, 2009 3:25 AM MDT reply actions
Oh yeh!
You know as well as i do the bitching is going to go on for the whole season. It will be Bears against he Broncos and Cutler against Orton in Broncoland. And my post wasn’t rhetoric it is the truth as Cutler has his apologists but the reality is that he caused this drama and let it go on. I am not trashing Cutler, as I said I liked him here but his prima donna act wore thin for me right away when all this garbage started. How is that for rhetoric?

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