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D-Line question?

Seeing as how McD's stated objective is to win now, & it has been said many times that most D-Line prospects take a few years to develop, what do you people think about going after a "quality" NT/DL with one of our 1st day picks?  Then we can get a Rookie DL or two without having to reach for a guy that is probably not going to impact our D very much this year?  I  also am very skeptical of Raji, after reading a bit of stuff about him.  Am I off the mark a ways by thinking that there is as much potential for DL in the later (not 1st), rounds?  I LOVE this site & am getting VERY excited for the up-coming season!!!!  I for one, don't think that Xanders & McD are finished aquiring quality players yet!  At least I hope not!  What do you folks think???

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OOOPS!!

had to write this post twice (unfamilliar with the format?) so I forgot to ask, who would you go after, if you went this way????

by Pmac54 on Apr 9, 2009 2:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting
what do you people think about going after a “quality” NT/DL with one of our 1st day picks?

Are you talking about a trade? If you can identify a good player that’s available, that would be a nice scenario.

Then we can get a Rookie DL or two without having to reach for a guy that is probably not going to impact our D very much this year? I also am very skeptical of Raji, after reading a bit of stuff about him. Am I off the mark a ways by thinking that there is as much potential for DL in the later (not 1st), rounds?

You can start a nice fire by stating that Raji is or is not a good prospect. Right now, whatever your opinion of him, he’s a big talent whose head may not be right. He has had issues of taking plays off and problems with motivation, but his physical talents are undeniable.
The problem that we get into is this: It does usually take a few years to develop a DL. If you don’t start now, it will be a problem for another year. As far as the later rounds – it’s guaranteed that there will be a talent in the later rounds who will do well in the NFL – we just don’t know which ones! (Well, except for styg, who has lived with his head in the draft this year…)

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 9, 2009 2:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

there are a lot of exciting guys, I wouldn't know where to start

Mitch King and Paul Kruger are both worth a late 2nd to 3rd round pick, and should both be there. Darryl Richard should be available much later, and I have labelled him my “Steal of the Draft.” I honestly feel like I am the only person who watched him. Sometimes I get a Stephen King kind of feeling where I wonder if Richard ever really existed… o.O

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 9, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 9, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Styg

Just wanted to say thanks for all your work on the draft prospects. I’ve spent a ton of time reading your comments and have benefited greatly. Daryl Richard, for example, was someone I had never heard of. Much appreciated!

by NedBronco on Apr 9, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

My pleasure

and I meant that. I have a lot of fun getting the data built up, but it doesn’t compare to the pleasure of seeing a plce like MHR where it can be put to good use. Before I found MHR the only thing I knew of online that had to do with the Broncos was the Post and Rocky. It never occurred to me that there were other draft geeks out there. I had to do a lot of learning and ‘upgrading’ but eventually I was comfortable enough with my stuff to consider it presentable. Next year I am hoping to upgrade the whole process and take it to another level by enlisting the MHR faithful to do the tape watching, while I set up the templates and what not. It should be pretty exciting.

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 9, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Bear, I meant a trade, sorry.

I’m not well versed on who we might go after, hence the question. From the little bit i’ve read (Draftivus, etc.), it doesn’t seem that there is as much of a drop off in “potential” ( isn’t that what all drafted rookies are?) in the later rounds as compared to say next year. As far as Raji goes, the folks I (opinion) trust ( Styg, HT You, Colinski,etc) here on this site, don’t seem too excited about him?

by Pmac54 on Apr 9, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't speak for the other fellas

IMHO, he’s very talented and if he dropped to us, I think that we’d take him. I will agree, up front , with those who argue that his dedication is suspect and that he will need constant monitoring, but as far as his talent? I was watching him all year, and he’s no one week wonder. He has the potential to be a force if he can get his head right.

Styg’s right, though – there are a lot of good players later in the draft who can also help us greatly at that position.

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 9, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion.

While I have no opinion on any of the college prospects (I’m just not a college football watcher), I do think the following:

1) I like the FA pick-up of Fields for NT. He gives us a fighting chance at the position.

2) If FIelds doesn’t work out, I think Parker (another FA) might be the ticket. A good back-up at worst.

3) McDaniels said he would take a look at Askew (from the practice squad). He must think he’s worth a look.

4) I don’t see Powell as our NT. I think he’s better suited as a DT in a 4-3, or perhaps at DE. I don’t think he has the bulk to play a 2 gap NT (and I’m not expecting us to play a 3-4, 1 gap “Phillips” system).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 9, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my 2 c

I’m with bear on that if Raji drops to us we take him. I don’t like trading away our picks for vets in the front though…we may suffer some, but we truly need to get the front 7 squared away and built up. I don’t think we need to reach for Raji as if we don’t get him, Brace looks good in the 2nd round.

I have a hard time thinking of a good NT out there that a team would be willing to part with. I think we’d be more likely to trade up for Sanchez than trade away picks for a NT (which is not likely…I really think McDaniels likes the two guys we have and will pick up another to fight for back-up)

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 9, 2009 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HT

That recent interview with Marques Daniels that ran on BroncoTalk had him stating that Nolan had run a 1 gap phillips type 3-4 and that it would emphasize penetration. He even went to far as to say that he thought that it extended player’s careers. I’m not any expert here, just passing on what a guy who was on Nolan’s teams in both SF and Baltimore stated. Any thoughts on this?

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 9, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, but....

I think that Nolan will be running something closer to McDaniels’ vision for a defense. I’m basing this on the current crop of FA pick-ups. Of course, I’m making an assumption and I could be very wrong.

It’s a very difficult job trying to predict what a new coaching staff will do. You can bet that other coaches in the division are pulling out their hair trying to determine if McDaniels will run his own preferences, or allow the coordinators to run theirs.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 10, 2009 6:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Jackson seems like a safe pick to me.

Maualuga seems like the type of emotional leader we need in the middle. Ala Al Wilson? I miss that guy…

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 9, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about leader

but definitely emotional. I think Rey would perform best with a guy like Dawkins behind him, or a leader like Al beside him. We have the one, of course, but not for very long…

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 9, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

who was the leader on the USC defense?

I assumed it was Maualuga.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 9, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't follow them as a 'team'

so the fans can answer you better than I can, but watching them play on the field, no one player stood out as a leader. Production-wise Reyrey and Cushing stand out, as does Mays.

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 9, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Maualuga.

My son runs a production company in Newport Beach and we have been to several games. It was definately Sanchez on “O” and it was Maualuga on “D”.

by topnation on Apr 9, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's where I live.

Not too many other Bronco fans here though.

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by kwool79 on Apr 9, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson and Maualuga in the first round would be solid!!!

"I can do all things through HIM who gives me strength"

by BroncoCountryHawaii on Apr 9, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any two of the following would THRILL me!

In order of preference:

at #12
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

at #18
Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

by topnation on Apr 9, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both I think are solid

I’d be happy with them if they were our picks. They both address needs and look to be very promising prospects.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 9, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

a young D Line

 I did a little research using the ESPN depth chart for each team and one thing I noticed about the top ranked defenses (in terms of yards/game) was their average age. Tennessee, Baltimore and Pittsburg had an average age on the starting D line of about 30.
(MInnesota was about 26)
 
The bottom ranked defenses..
KC, Denver and Seattle had an average age closer to 25.

Obviously this is probably not a direct relationship, but I found it interesting. (Especially since I have been a cheerleader for an overhauled D line) And as I agree that a Dlineman takes a few years to season….maybe, just maybe, some of our current lineman just need a year or so of seasoning. With the addition of Ronald Fields (6’2" 315lbs) we have size comparable to other D lines……we are just young.

Just thought I’d add some food for thought

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 9, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You make an excellent point LnM

This is good information. And by the way, excellent questions you bring up Pmac. Thanks for the post.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 9, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment, LnM

Can I ask what site you got that info from? I’ve been looking for age info on offensive lines as well

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 9, 2009 3:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

link

If you just look up teams on espn nfl, you can check out their depth chart and then their roster. I actually had to put that info together on a spreadsheet.

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 9, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the excellent responses!

I probably didn’t do a good job of asking, but, what I was trying to get at was; Is there a poss trade scenario whereby we could find a good veteran rotational DLineman by trading a first day pick or so? And if so Who would you guys want? I’ve heard alot about a trade for Shawn Rodgers, but I don’t know much about any others. Thanks again folks!

by Pmac54 on Apr 9, 2009 4:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

d line trade

You don’t see a lot of good d lineman getting traded…..they are like ‘franchise QBs’ and Ace pitchers. You either grow ’em or pay a ton in FA for ’em.

I’m not sure that is really even an option….not that I wouldn’t love to see it.

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 9, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two "Blockbuster Trades" in one year?

It certainly is not beyond Bowlen’s vision.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 9, 2009 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rey Maualuga and Tyson Jackson

would be the ultimate 1st round for me.

I love Jackson at 12 and Maualuga at 18 (if he lasts that long).

I think Raji has too much liability. He’s a physical beast, but to get him to harness that by getting clean is a different story. We’ve already got one young guy with problems, and hopefully he’s gonna straighten up. We don’t need 2 trouble makers.

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Apr 10, 2009 12:00 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

to add to that:

A guy that puts as much emotion into his game like Maualuga deserves a mentor like BDawk or Champ. BDawks intensity and heart for the game speaks volumes, but Champ being the quiet strong type also does wonders for a young guy like Rey I think. We could have another Palomalu type on our hands in that case (aside from the obvious Palomalu-Maualuga connections)

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Apr 10, 2009 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade question

i think what pmac is saying is if we are indeed in a win-now mode, how can we do that with a yet-to-be-built d-line. the question i believe is: do we have 3-4 years to wait for newly drafted d-linemen to develop? hence, the trade scenario. if we do draft, say raji, or who mcd thinks is the best nt prospect out there in the first round, wouldn’t that be almost as expensive as signing, say, rogers, a proven player? and riskier? if we continue to wait for value, or a cheaper solution, when/how will a serious d-line develop? do we have what it takes in-house? i’m thinking no, not up the middle, anyway. so what’s the solution, and what will change next time?

we need better talent, an impact player or two. as far as the motivational aspect of a proposed d-lineman, isn’t that the job of the coaches? and don’t many big d-linemen possess that same problem, along with weight? i hear that about pretty much all of them, there’s not too many without that tag in the league, at the interior spots, anyway. regarding draft pick value, what is more valuable to this team right now, and in the next few seasons? nt/dt/lb, in that order, in my opinion. we need to stuff the run(look at the schedule), and collapse the pocket, or all is wasted. it’s time. 2009-Year of the Defense. no more running backs, no more waiting, no more excuses.

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.

by davecheffy on Apr 10, 2009 9:02 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you Dave!

I should have asked you to write my question in the first place! Probably why I don’t post much, & just Rec others comments, when I agree with them. Thanks again, because that was exactly what I was asking!!!!! I’m not very familiar with any other teams D-Linemen, or their potential usefulness or possible availabity to us via trade,or???? Heck, I wouldn’t even know how to start looking! Also thanks all for giving your $.02/$20.00 worth!!!!

by Pmac54 on Apr 11, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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