I know my golf skills and they ain’t very good.

…let themselves get wrapped up in all that crap.

And you are absolutely right about stooping to such a low degree, but on the other hand, jay should of had better planning for himself being “the” leader and all. The point is, you show them on the field who’s boss, and who isn’t. jay didn’t have that and until he does, it will be a rough row to hoe for him.

because, as you you state, that would be impossible to do. But as I always tell my kids, it isn’t that you make a mistake — we all do — it’s what you do after the mistake is made.

Since that incident, Rivers vocally committed to change his behavior “for the team’s sake” and reduce the distraction. He did exactly that last year. Despite his diarrhea of the mouth in previous years (there was a lot more than just the Cutler conflict), he had not one “mouthy” incident last year. I’m impressed with that — behavior is hard to change, particularly so quickly. In two years, RIvers has gone from my least favorite Charger to my most liked; the guy strongly leads by example, puts his team first, is passionate about football, can admit mistakes and can change for the better, never gives up, and makes the most of his abilities. We’ll see if he continues on the same road through the rest of his career, but at least he’s headed in the right direction.

Prior to The Trade, Rivers’ maturation was where I derived hope for Cutler. We’re all very aware of Cutler’s behavior since that game, including appearances on national sports shows talking about how he doesn’t like RIvers. Oh well. I confess I already feel better about rooting for Orton.

I don’t back him at all. I’m just saying that looking back at that incident, however pissed it made me at Rivers, maybe he was not only right, but he was showing us the writing on the wall. And no way in heck do I excuse Phyliss for what he did and how he acted.

jay is no field general and never will be as long as he keeps getting his way. Well, his way left, and that;s why he is gone. All I have to say about that is good luck and good bowling. 13-3 Baby!!!

Aside from that, he started in Denver, that already means he won’t get in to the HoF.

seeing that mr boohoo lost his shoulder (shanny) to cry on, and his, could do no wrong buddy (Bates). I’m just saying, lets wait until Jan 3rd to see if we are going to hand out any medals of valor, or superficial awards to mr cutler. Hopefully the fans up there will be gentle on him this year

unless you mean fantasy football hof, and the Bear’s scheme will have to be night and day different for him to approach his numbers from last year.

we traded a 5th round pick for orton

Although I think Phyllis Rivers is a b****, he’s got better, more consistent numbers than Cutler. Now it’s known that I’m not Cutler fan either, the way he dropped the Broncos and the fans is just inexcusable. But if we’re being real here, Rivers deserved to be in the Pro Bowl, Cutler did not.

but, we should have a plan to kick the living daylights out of him when we meet him this year. And there is doubt about his (rivers) ability, but he can be beat. 13-3 Baby!!!

and I’ll never think he’s a good person, but given the whole Cutler fiasco this offseason, he really showed that he too is a horse of a different color. Although Rivers is public enemy number 2 (behind Al of course), I’m not going to dismiss the fact that maybe, just maybe, Cutler yapped his lips off too.

one thing is for sure though, to flip off opposing teams fans like he did to us is downright wrong. I really wish Goodell would have given him a sizable fine for that.

that overall, prior to this spring’s events, most of us would have preferred to see Cutler stay and see how well he could do in McD’s system.

Though, in hindsight, I’m glad things worked out the way they did, because I get the feeling that had Jay stayed, it would have resulted in a dysfunctional relationship between coach and quarterback. McD’s insistence that there will be competition at every position coupled with Jay’s repeated statements that he felt he could not trust McD would have had an adverse effect on the team in 2009, and probably 2010 as well.

I was never that great of a Cutler fan, but I do wish him all the success he can achieve in Chicago.

I still think we’re going to surprise a lot of people this year, and I also get the feeling that when 2009 is in the books, Cutler and Orton will have very similar numbers, Chicago and Denver will have very similar win-loss records (and maybe even a playoff appearance), and we’ll all be engaging in this whole discussion once again in the off-season between 2009 & 2010.