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Get to Know the New England Patriots

(with thanks to Sayre111589 for providing an awesome outline)


     The New England Patriots are coming off what can only be described as a surreal journey in 2008.  The season started with a season-ending injury to Tom Brady.  His replacement?  Matt Cassel -- a 3rd year backup who had not started a football game since high school.  Cassel went on to lead the Pats to an 11-5 record, throwing for 21 TDs and 11 interceptions, and earning an 89.4 quarterback rating.  Under Cassel’s leadership, the Pats just missed the 2008 playoffs. 


     Following the season, the Pats lost OC Josh McDaniels to Denver.  Then, worried about whether or not Brady would be able to return on time, Belichick and the Pats placed the franchise tag on Cassel, only to turn around and try to trade him.  One of the trade discussions was the now infamous 3-way trade with Denver which ignited the firestorm that eventually led to the departure of Jay Cutler from Denver.  The Pats have also added a new special teams coordinator during the off-season: Scott O’Brien who was in the same capacity with the Denver Broncos in 2008.  Other coaches have received new assignments.  No new OC has been named as of the writing of this article.


     Most MSM pundits graded the Pats draft favorably.  Belichick traded down more than once and even came away from the draft with an extra 2nd round pick for 2010.  Most saw the 2nd round selection of CB Darius Butler as a good move, the 3rd round selection of Brandon Tate as questionable.  Overall, the Pats were seen as having done a good job of getting quality players.


     Visiting the Pats Pulpit (the New England Equivalent of MHR) showed fans that were reasonable confident and guardedly optimistic.  There was a lot of confidence expressed based on the return of Brady – though a few were concerned that there would be a drop off in his production after not playing for a year.  Bodden and Springs were expected to have huge impacts at the corners, the return of Tank Williams at safety was expected to be a good thing, and the tandem of Lewis and Galloway at WR was seen as an upgrade of the WR corp.  There was a fair amount of concern expressed over the fact that 11 of the Pats 14 OL have contracts that expire in 2009.  However, this was also seen as a good thing since it was believed that these players would be “playing their hearts out” to secure a roster spot in 2010 (either with the Pats, or with another team).  Finally, opinions were expressed that not making the playoffs in 2008 was actually a good thing since it gave the players additional time to recuperate from injuries and prepare for 2009.


And now, for a look at the team:

Offense


Quarterback:  Tom Brady (Starter), Kevin O’Connell, Matt Gutierrez, Brian Hoyer
     It is anticipated that Brady will be back and at 100%, though he most likely will have a less than typical year.  Matt Constant, a writer for Bleacher Report is predicting that Brady will throw for 3500 yards with 20 TDs and less than 15 INTs.  O’Connell is expected to make the 2nd string.  He is described as a large player with good speed.  Should Brady go down again, it is anticipated that O’Connell would be able to duplicate Cassel’s achievements and secure more wins than losses.  Gutierrez is viewed as okay, but if he has to play for an extended time, he will most likely prove to be inadequate.  Undrafted College Free Agent Brian Hoyer is expected to challenge Gutierrez for the 3rd QB position.

Running Back: Laurence Maroney (Starter), Fred Taylor,  Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk, BenJarvus Green-Ellis
     This group is viewed as being a statistically good running back corp.  The situational play-calling used by Belicheck is expected to keep them fresh throughout the game.  The running back stable amassed 2278 yards in 2008, with an average of 4.4 yards per game, and 19 touchdowns.  The corp was also responsible for 684 receiving yards and  3 receiving touchdowns.  Most pundits expect similar numbers from them in 2009.


Fullback: David Thomas (starter)
     The fullback position in the New England scheme was largely used as a blocking back.  There is little indication that this will change in 2009.  On the current roster, Thomas is listed as a tight end.  The only fullback listed is Eric Kettani, a rookie out of Navy.


Wide Receiver: Randy Moss, Wes Welker (Starters), behind Moss: Greg Lewis, Matt Slater, Julian Edelman, behind Welker: Sam Aiken, Joey Galloway, Brandon Tate
     Most pundits see this as a very deep receiving corp.  Moss and Welker are expected to carry the team – though there is some question as to how well Welker will be able to hold up in this role.  Slater is seen as a largely special teams player.  Edelman is a converted quarterback, so there is some speculation that he will be used in a number of trick plays.  In 2008, the receiving corp amassed 2885 yards and 21 touchdowns.  There is some speculation that these numbers might not be quite as high in 2009.

Tight End: Ben Watson (Starter), Chris Baker, Tyson DeVree, Brad Listorti
     Again, this is viewd as a fairly deep corp.  Opponents can expect New England to use a fair number of 2 tight end sets.  Watson produced 209 receiving yards and 2 touchdowns.  Expect around the same number for the tight ends in 2009.

Offensive Line: (Starters) – Matt Light (LT), Logan Mankins (LG), Dan Koppen (C), Stephen Neal (RG), Nick Kaczur (RT)
T     his is an OL that took some criticism in 2008 for giving up 48 sacks, which placed them 28th in the NFL in protecting their quarterback, yet it is still viewed among the Patriots faithful as a group that still protect their quarterback.  One of the Patriot’s commentaries even described the O-line as one of the strongest in the league.  As mentioned above, the fact that 11 of them will be playing for contract renewals may breath new life into them and will lead to a better showing.

Defense
     Overall the defense looks to be solid.  Some pundits suggest that the Pats have addressed their major holes through the draft and free agency.  Inside and outside linebackers are the only consistently mentioned need.  It would appear that New England can be expected to post numbers similar to what they did in 2008: around 20 points per game and 300 yards per game.

Defensive End: Ty Warren, Richard Seymour (starters), LeKevin Smith, Kenny Smith, Jarvis Green.

Nose Tackle: Vince Wilfork (starter), Mike Wright, Titus Adams, Ron Brace, Jake Ingram, Myron Pryor, Darrel Richard

Outside Linebackers: Pierre Woods, Adalius Thomas (starters), Tully Banta-Cain, Vince Redd, Angelo Craig, Shawn Crable, Tyrone McKenzie (IR – Knee)

Inside Linebackers: Jerod Mayo, Tedi Bruschi (starters), Gary Guyton, Eric Alexander

Cornerbacks: Shawn Springs, Leigh Bodden (starters), Terrence Wheatley, Mike Richardson, Jonathan Wilhite, Darius Butler

Free Safety: James Sanders (starter), Raymond Ventrone
Strong Safety: Brandon Meriweather (starter), Antwain Spann, Tank Williams, Patrick Chung

Special Teams
     Everything that I read indicated that this would be a solid unit, with no major flaws.

Kicker: Stephen Gostkowski

Punter: Chris Hanson, Tom Malone

Long Snapper: Nathan Hodel (a new player in this spot due to the departure of Loni Paxton to the Broncos)

Holder: Chris Hanson

Kick Returner: Ellis Hobbs

Punt Returner: Wes Welker

2009 Premature Prediction:

     The following points and predictions are highlights from the article “Thoughts on the New England Patriots Schedule – Part One” by Professor Todd on Pats Pulpit.
Information drawn from article “Thoughts on the New England Patriots Schedule -- Part One” by Professor Todd on Pats Pulpit

(http://www.patspulpit.com/2009/4/15/838618/thoughts-on-the-schedule-part-one)


     The Patriots will play 7 games against teams that made the playoffs in 2008.  5 of those games will be in Foxborough.  (Atlanta, Baltimore, Miami, Tennessee, Carolina at home, away at Indianapolis and @Miami).  Professor Todd sees their roughest stretch as being @Indianapolis, NY Jets, @New Orleans, and @Miami, due to the stresses of travel.  The Patriots play 4 teams that have rookie head coaches (NY Jets, Tampa Bay, Denver and Indianapolis).  Todd believes that Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore, Tennessee and Carolina will be worse this year than in 2008.  He also believes that New Orleans, Jacksonville and Buffalo will be better.


     Todd believes the Pats have a chance to be 7-0 going into their bye week, and have a strong chance to finish either 12-4 or even 14-2.  Many pundits are predicting that New England will be the team in the AFC that will have to beat to make it to the Super Bowl.

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I find that hard to believe.

I have never been more concerned about the New England Patriots. You don’t just come back from a major knee injury like that and play well. After a blow like that, you get a little bit gun shy. I just don’t know. Brady is a great quarterback, but usually you need some time to come back from an injury of that magnitude.

I really don’t know what to expect. He may go down again. If that happens, the patriots won’t recover. You can’t reach up your sleeves and pull out a successful backup quarterback every time. It just doesn’t work that way. The pats have been fortunate, thusfar, in putting whoever they want into whatever position they want and still getting results. I just don’t know. Something about the patriots just doesn’t sit right with me right now.

I see them on our schedule and for some reason I don’t have a burning feeling of fear. I don’t see that game as an unwinnable game for us. I don’t know. I could be wrong.

What do you all think? I just think there could be a pitfall for these patriots this year, for some reason. It’s a feeling and sometimes feelings are wrong, but I want to hear from other people on this.

by broncointheville on May 12, 2009 7:54 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree with what I've been reading about NE

The article was intended to reflect what the MSM pundits and the NE fans are saying about their team.

I agree that the Brady knee injury is a very real issue. Culpepper never really came back after his knee injury. I think there’s an underlying caveat within the pro-NE camp: this all will happen IF Brady can come back, perform at or near what he has done in the past, AND he stays healthy. I think a lot of the reasoning behind this is based on the “Brady-mystique,” the Pats definitely have a mind-set that “as long as Brady is under center, we can win any game.”

What I was not able to find information on is what Brady’s rehabilitation has been like — how much running & throwing has he been doing during the off-season. It seems to be shrouded in mystery.

Offensively, I believe they still have a lot of weapons — though I wonder about Welker as a starter rather than a slot receiver. And I’m having a hard time reconciling the criticism of an OL that allowed 48 sacks with the steadfast belief that they can protect their quarterback.

Defensively, I imagine they’ll be pretty typical of how NE has played over the last few years — solid, while occasionally giving up the big plays.

Overall, I think the Patriots will be dangerous enough to, if they don’t make the playoffs themselves, to play the spoiler and keep other teams out as well.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Concerning the OLine,

I’m not sure I would lay all the blame on them since an inexperienced quarter was thrust upon them from the get go. Cassel’s immaturity has to be part of the blame for 48 sacks.

What has sort of bothered me is how fast the Pats traded Cassel, unsure of Brady’s comeback. If Brady faulters or reinjures the leg, they will have to relie on once again an unproven backup.

Why would Billichick hire Scott O’brien as Special Teams coordinator when he did such a misserable jos here? Did Billichick see something in him that Shanny was not able to use?

We all have to admit, when Brady went down, we all figured the season was over for them. There had to be some great coaching there to hold the team together as well as they did. I see them repeating 11-5 or possibly 10-6. 12-4 is reaching I suspect.

Good job BShrout.

by bfree2bronc on May 12, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

good points

There’s been a lot of discussion in various places re: the Cassel trade. A fair number of people believe that it was move by Belichick to distance himself from the work of McD, that he wants people to see the Pats success as his, not Josh’s. Don’t know how true that rings since I don’t know that much about Belichick’s personality.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also think McDaniels leaving is a major concern

after all, we found out this year how much a QB can love his OC.

"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624

by dmitchell624 on May 13, 2009 5:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nicely Done B

Bville, you make a good point.

You don’t just come back from a major knee injury like that and play well. After a blow like that, you get a little bit gun shy. I just don’t know. Brady is a great quarterback, but usually you need some time to come back from an injury of that magnitude.

I agree. It could take an extra year for Brady to fully rehab his knee. I don’t think it is career ending or we would have heard something even though Belichick is notoriously close-mouthed about injuries.
BShrout, this is a great angle to write from. You have set the bar,now its up to the rest of us to form our articles accordingly, to the benefit of all. Excellent use of their pulpits’ professor. Rec’d

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Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season

by KaptainKirk on May 12, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions  

aww, thank you

I just followed the path laid out by Sayre, and I know that someone in the original discussion made the suggestion that we go to the other teams’ SBNation fan sites.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

B how did you find the "FAN" site for the Pats.

Also. how can people find those places for the teams they are reseaching?

by bfree2bronc on May 12, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Click on the SB Nation logo in the upper left corner of MHR

It will take you to the SB Nation homepage.

One of the tabs on that page is “Football blogs”

You can find all of the NFL teams’ SBNation blog there. From those sites you can find links to other team pages.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

A word to the wise...

you can sign into any SB Nation site with your current handle and password, I didn’t realize that and made up a whole new one for Daily Norseman, DURRRRRRRRRR

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on May 13, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's good to know

Suggest you post the info as a short announcement in fanshots

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

just google it.

I went to google and typed in bengals sb nation and it was the first entry.

by broncointheville on May 12, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice BShrout

Now look what I have to live up to!

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on May 12, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions  

only thing you have to live up to

is your own unique style.

I’ve enjoyed seeing your comments on other posts. Keep up the good work

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

check this out for an idea:

An Early Look at the 2009 Denver Broncos 4 days ago by Sayre111589

by bfree2bronc on May 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice work!

A couple of small points. first:

There is some speculation that these numbers might not be quite as high in 2009.

I understand that you are just listing other’s speculation, but this didn’t make any sense. The return of Brady, shy or not, bodes very well for a receiving corp that has a lot of talent. If anyone can clue me in as to why Brady might produce less passes than Cassel, I’m glad to listen

Second, one reason that you have trouble finding his rehab is that he developed an infection and they had to go back in. As is normal for the Pats, they are keeping him safely away from the media, which is probably good. Now that the surgery has been corrected, he’s said to be doing well well and is throwing ‘without pain’ – doubtful that he has not pain, but it’s probably not a big deal. That’s about normal, this far out from the original procedure.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 12, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

I think the return of Brady does bode well

From what I read, the reference to lower numbers was a comparison of Brady in 2009 to Brady in 2006 & 2007 rather than a comparison to Cassel.

 get the feeling that the speculation was that following a major injury he would take a year to return to peak form.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see

That’s not unrealistic – it takes at least one season to break down all the adhesions post-surgery. Having been there, I can see why folks would believe that he’d be less than 2007. However – this is a very good team with a lot of weapons besides Brady. They have spent some time and money patching some areas of weakness and they did very well in the draft, IMHO. They could still be champions. They will be tough to beat.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 13, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

no argument there

there’s a lot of unknowns that will have to come together and fall right (if that’s not mixing metaphors) for us to beat teams this year.

Having said that, from everything I’m seeing/hearing coming out of the off-season meetings and camps, I’d say that we’re on a good learning curve and everyone one is working with a strong team-oriented work ethic. Both of those things bode well for us.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Regarding the release(Trade) of Cassell

As some of you may remember, the back-up buzz, if you can call it that, in NE last year was all about O’Connell. They are very confident in his abilities it just came down to the fact that Cassell fit the position of immediate back-up better than O’Conell because he had the team experience under his belt. So it was not unwise of them to let Cassell go, its very similar to the Broncos letting there RB’s go after big seasons, trade when their stock is at its peak.

by JALefor on May 12, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice job man!

They’re gonna bomb though without secret weapon Paxton! ^^

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by broncosmontana on May 12, 2009 11:03 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

yep, the new LS will keep either dribbling it along the ground or snapping it over the Punter/Holder’s head

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 12, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good post, but I thought we already knew the Patriots

Aren’t half of them on this team? Sorry had to do it.

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by Broncoman on May 12, 2009 11:44 PM MDT reply actions  

LMAO

totally love it.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice Job B....

I like the way you put the whole depth chart to start each category, I am going to modify mine. I’m only about half done. Anyway thanks again, nice work!!!

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on May 13, 2009 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

thanks

a lot of credit goes to sayre, I pretty much tried to follow his outline.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

IMO...

The Pats are the best team in the NFL. I don’t know if there’s a close second.

I thought the Pats were better than Pittsburgh by the end of the 2009 season WITH Cassel.

If they make the playoffs last year (again, IMO) they win the Super Bowl. They would have out Steleers’d the Steelers in a playoff game. And we all know what ‘My Hoodie and Me’ did to AZ late in the season last year.

Brady’s fine. If we give McD credit for knowing exactly what he’s doing w/ QBs and being overprepared for any scenario, then we MUST give the same credit to Hoodie. That said, Brady’s fine (IMO alert).

I read or heard that the Pats were so excited by Tom’s progress that it was one of the main reasons they drafted Brandon Tate (WR – NC), who had the exact same injury as Tom Brady.

by super7 on May 13, 2009 11:00 AM MDT reply actions  

certainly good points

I think the Pats are an extremely good team with an elite coach.

The worry I have for the Pats is Brady — major knee operation followed by a staph infection and year out of game training and playing; I keep thinking of what happened to Dante Culpepper after he blew out his knee.

I see two advantages for Denver in the matchup: (1)While Hoodie has good insights into McD’s style, McD has repeatedly stated that he’s going to merge what Denver has already done well (such as the zone blocking scheme) with what he choreographed for NE over the last couple of years. I think we’ll see an interesting and exciting hybrid type of offense. (2)No-one, not even the Denver faithful know what to expect from the Denver defense this year. It could be more of the atrocious same, or, IMHO an unique hybrid that comes from a strong DC and an HC who has repeatedly demonstrated that he tends to think outside the box of conventional NFL wisdom.

Could go great, could blow up in our faces — and that’s what makes it all so exciting: no-one knows what to expect, which makes it harder to game prep against us.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

We play them in week 5, so there will be some game tape available for Hoodie(and the Blowfish)

My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season

by KaptainKirk on May 13, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

true, but

from what McD has said, the team will look somewhat different from week to week since he’s been taught by Hoodie to adjust for each individual team. :D

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 13, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good job on the second report in the series!

I personnally don’t think that Brady will come back as a gun shy QB. I do think that the “overly hyped up” (by the fans) O-line will need to step it up and will be reminded of that with Tom back in the huddle.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on May 14, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

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