IS IT TIME FOR "THE MAGIC 3"?
MY FIRST POST. So let me introduce myself. I relocated to the Mile High city in 1987, from Alaska (grew up on the East coast as a NY Giants fan). I must confess up front that I rooted for the Giants against the Broncos in the ‘87 Super Bowl – Blasphemy! But I have grown up; steadily becoming an ardent BroncoManiac over the years.
My strength is Analysis. I can spot trends and tendencies in games and during a season. That is why the playing calling of Jeremy Bates last year just drove me crazy. What an "idiot" – He was too predictable in a bad way, and when he was successful in some aspects of the game plan, he would change for no reason in the middle of the game for disastrous results. (Sorry I Digress).
I have only recently found MHR, and I thank each and every one of you for an absolute FANTASTIC site.
I have learned a tremendous amount from MHR University, and was totally intrigued by hoosierteacher’s post on the MAGIC 3. So I apologize to hoosierteacher in advance if I have taken your teachings out of context or without proper clarity.
My Analysis:
Josh McDaniels has been very secretive in his discussions about the direction of the Denver Bronco’s offense for 2009. The MSM is living in confusion, since they have no information to speculate on, hence the obvious route for the Broncos must be an adaptation of the "Patriot Way", or so they believe. I do not discredit that belief entirely, but I believe it is too small-minded in its scope. Josh McDaniels is too much of a visionary, to just turn the 2008 NE Offense into 2009 Broncos-Patriot West.
ENTER – "THE MAGIC THREE" – which was so superbly written about by Hoosierteacher last year (Feb 2008). I encourage you to read or re-read this article to get a better understanding.
I am not here to teach, that is best left to the Masters at MHR such as the above mentioned Hoosierteacher; my post will attempt to connect the dots, so to speak.
FIRST - THE COACH JOSH MCDANIELS:
"We are focusing on the team every day. We are going to win as a team every day. It's not going to be one player and it's not going to be two players. It's going to be a team and we are going to win. Whichever way we are trying to win, that's the way we are going to try to win. If it's kicking six field goals, it's kicking six field goals; if it's shutting somebody out, it's shutting somebody out; or if it's scoring 45 points it's scoring 45 points. Whatever combination of those things we need to try to win with that's what we're going to try to use. "
THE MAGIC THREE – or the three Tight End set is IMO the ultimate team system. There are so many options to utilize that no one player gets all the glory, and it will be an absolute nightmare to defend against.
I believe that McDaniels has the intelligence, the football experience, and the guts (and EGO!) to develop a new offensive strategy for the Denver Broncos. There was a significant presentation that he gave to Pat Bowlen & VP Joe Ellis during his initial interview that apparently "Wowed" Bowlen as to how prepared McDaniels was to lead the Broncos. Bowlen hired him without a second interview for anyone else!!
I believe a major part of that presentation was a new system for the offense. In a similar way that Mike Shanahan took the West Coast Offense of Bill Walsh fame, and modified it to develop the strengths of the Broncos (ie..Zone Blocking - one cut down hill running plays, in addition to the horizontal passing game- short passes with significant Yards After the Catch "YAK".). I believe that McDaniels has a comprehensive new strategy for the offense that will incorporate the THREE TE System.
The following from the press conference from Draft day:
On The Addition of TE Richard Quinn
"(TE) Daniel (Graham)’s a veteran player, he’s a good inline blocker, different type of a pass receiver than (TE) Tony (Scheffler) is. Tony obviously can be flexed away from the formation a little bit more. We’ll use him a little bit more on the move than Daniel. Richard (Quinn) is more in the middle of both. He can catch the ball, he’s got soft hands, we can move him, he certainly can handle his own on the line as a blocker. But when you’re going to use two and three tight end packages during the course of the season, you’d love to have three guys that you feel good about. To have three guys that can run block, pass block, catch passes in the passing game and make an impact at more than one thing, I think that’s very valuable to us." (Bold emphasis mine)
Three TE Packages??? A hint of what is to come this year.
(An interesting note: This quote was referenced by a post on MHR from DB.com after the first day of the 2009 draft, but the highlighted part of the quote has since been removed from the website. Removed for too much strategy information released? Or just editing by the DB.com webmaster?)
THE ASSISTANT COACH – TIGHT END COACH CLANCY BARONE
From DB.com: Clancy Barone is the ninth assistant to join Head Coach Josh McDaniels' ever-growing coaching staff.
Barone, who spent the past two NFL seasons in the same position with the San Diego Chargers, has five years of NFL experience, including his time with the Atlanta Falcons from 2004-06. In his each of his four seasons as a tight ends coach in the NFL, one of his players led his team in receptions. Barone’s tight ends totaled four Pro Bowl berths and one All-Pro selection.
Barone mentored Chargers tight end Antonio Gates in his two seasons with the club as his star pupil caught 135 passes for 1,688 yards and tied for an NFL-high among tight ends with 17 touchdown receptions over that span.
Before his stint in San Diego, Barone was the tight ends coach for the Atlanta Falcons from 2005-06 and helped tight end Alge Crumpler earn a trip to the Pro Bowl in both seasons, including his All-Pro selection in 2006. He entered his coaching career in the NFL as the assistant offensive line coach for the Falcons in 2004.
A new TE Coach with a track record of success now working for the coach with a visionary new system!!
SECOND - THE PLAYERS – All these TIGHT ENDS!!
Daniel Graham (Height: 6' 3" Weight: 257 lbs, 8th Yr). Established himself as one of the NFL’s premier blocking tight ends as part of a New England offense that ranked fifth in the league in rushing touchdowns (51) from 2004-06. Graham started every game for the Broncos in 2008 and finished fifth on the team in both receptions (32) and receiving yards (389). He was also third on the team with four receiving touchdowns.
Tony Scheffler (Height: 6' 5" Weight: 250 lbs, 4th Yr). Started seven games in 2008, finished the season fourth on the team receptions (40) and third in receiving yards (645) despite missing three games with a groin injury. He is currently fourth among Denver's all-time tight ends in receptions (107), receiving yards (1,480) and receiving touchdowns (12). His 16.3-yard receiving average ranked first in the NFL among tight ends and 11th overall.
Richard Quinn (Height: 6' 4" Weight: 260 lbs. Rookie) "He's tough, smart, physical; very physical. People would say maybe the top blocker in the draft as a tight end. He didn't catch a lot of balls at (the University of) North Carolina, but that wasn't because he can't catch. They didn't use him that way very much in their system, in their scheme, but he showed very good hands during the course of the spring. We worked him out personally. We also saw him at the combine and he doesn't drop many balls, he's very big and physical and gives us a presence on the edge. We're going to use some two tight end sets, we have two good tight ends ahead of him, but he'll be in the mix to play in some of those packages." (Josh McDaniel’s quote)
It is without a doubt Quinn's blocking that earned him a second-round selection in the draft. He has plenty of strength -- he tied for fourth in bench press repetitions among tight ends at the Combine -- but it's not as if he lacks athleticism. He finished fourth in the broad jump at the Combine as well.
Jeb Putzier (Height: 6' 4" Weight: 256 lbs. 8th Yr) The Broncos have brought back another familiar face, re-signing tight end Jeb Putzier, the team announced Monday.
Peyton Hillis (Height: 6' 1" Weight: 250 lbs. 2nd Yr) Listed on the roster as a FB, but as we all know he was utilized as starting RB in 2008. Hillis started three games at tailback and three games at fullback for the Broncos before being place on the reserve/injured list on 12/8 (right hamstring). He led the team with 343 rushing yards and five rushing touchdowns in 2008. His six total touchdowns (5 rush., 1 rec.) tied for the team lead(DB.com)
McDaniels said Peyton Hillis took part in practice today, and is close to fully healed from last season's injury. "He did a lot of things well -- he's a versatile player, so we're going to try to use him in a lot of different roles," McDaniels said. "He carried the ball today, he blocked -- as much as you can block when you're going against air -- and caught the ball well. So he's going to do a lot of things. We really like his skill set and what he can do for us."
Marquez Branson (Height: 6' 3" Weight: 248 lbs., Rookie) A rookie tight end from the University of Central Arkansas who joined the Broncos as a college free agent on April 27, 2009... Played 23 career games in two seasons at Central Arkansas after transferring from East Mississippi Community College... Totaled 82 career receptions for 1,236 yards (15.1 avg.) with 18 touchdowns at Central Arkansas. Marquez Branson is said to be a Peyton Hillis Clone!!
THIRD – THE EMPHASIS ON TIGHT ENDS
Highlights from a Sporting News Article from Dec 2007, talking about the new emergence of the tight ends in Offense game planning. The key is the impact tight ends can make as receivers in an era when explosive pass plays have become the Holy Grail of NFL offense. The first thing I notice when I pop in tape is where these players are positioned. No longer do I see them predominantly lined up right next to an offensive tackle on the line of scrimmage. Tight ends are now movable chess pieces that align all over the formation -- flexed just off the line of scrimmage, in the wing or H-back position, in the backfield, in the slot, split wide. They often shift and motion before the snap.
Watch the Chargers and you'll see Gates split as a wide receiver in two-back, two-tight end personnel groupings. They can do that because of Gates' ability to win match-ups as a receiver on the outside, whether he's up against a linebacker, a safety or even a corner.
In Week 12 against the Bears, Scheffler was clearly the foundation of Denver's offense as Mike Shanahan consistently split his tight end wide. There were times when Chicago put man coverage on Scheffler with safety Adam Archuleta or linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer. Scheffler beat both of them for big plays.
This SN article deals only with the pass play potential of a TE as a receiver, but I believe that is a short-sighted one dimensional version of a true MAGIC 3, or 3 TE system.
I now reference aspects of the great teaching of hoosierteacher in his post - The Coming Storm (Magic 3)
"Mark my words. TE is the wave of the future in the NFL. It started a couple of years ago, and is gaining in momentum. When I was coaching I looked at TEs the way most people looked at safety before the dawn of guys like Dawkins and Reed. Now the position is becoming a major tool. There has always been a few rare exceptional TEs (Sharpe anyone?). But with the approaches to football in defensive scheming the last few years the TE figures to be a new powerful weapon. Let's be grateful for Scheffler and Graham.
But the TE has a future in the league for several reasons that have washed together like a perfect storm.
First, the "cover two" system on defense gains in popularity each year. It is one of the very few systems that is designed to counter the popular "west coast offense". But the TE position (because of alignment next to the tackle, and the physical build of a TE) ends up in the dangerous "seam", where the cover-two is weakest. By the time an opposing defender gets to the TE he has already taken a couple of steps, and is a physical mismatch for the likely swift safeties trying to bring him down.
Second, teams have discovered the many "smoke and mirrors" that can be accomplished with a TE. Line him up next to the RT and defenses don't know if he is going to block or catch (historic). But NOW when a defensive coordinator sees the offense bring in two WRs and one TE he is likely to send in a 4-3 defense. Maybe he should have brought in a third CB because teams (like SD) might line up the TE in the slot! If the poor coordinator calls a nickel for the next formation (3 CBs) the QB audibles to a run, and the TE lines up (or motions) to the RT. In other words, an elite TE ensures a mismatch until a defensive theorist develops a new formation or a new LB archetype.
Third, the recent move by many teams to return to the old 3-4 creates a special opportunity for TEs. The danger with the 3-4 is picking up the blitz. With a two TE set the blockers are already up to the line and facing each OLB. Threat neutralized. But with two TE sets we quadruple the number of disguised packages the team has available on offense, and with motions, we create a playbook fatter than consideration of all of the other positions combined.
Fourth, teams have discovered that in two TE sets they can compound-multiply the formations and abilities of an offense with alignments never before seen (the revolution has reached this fourth point in the last couple of years, but it still hasn't completely caught on and been fleshed out). No one would have ever lined up or motioned a TE from the line back to a RB position.
The TEs need to be balanced in their ability to block and catch, with perhaps an edge going to blocking. HT
SOUNDS LIKE OUR PLAYERS (My Comment)
Also keep in mind another point that gives the scheme some complexity. The 1, 2, and 3 TEs can be mixed and matched in their positions. It isn't simple enough that a CB can just line up on the 3TE, because the best receiving TE may line up at any of the positions on any play. Wherever the opposing defense lines up their people for optimal matches the offense simply audibles. (Audibles are a key to the offense in the system as well). HT
CONNECTING THE DOTS – My Analysis
First, we have Coach McDaniels: He is focused, detailed and purposeful, with a well though out plan and Vision for the Denver Broncos. I believe that He feels the need to make an immediate mark on this football team in 2009. He has the coaching experience and the guts to move forward in a new way. Much like Walsh, Parcells and Shanahan He will implement new and innovative game plans. He has hired experienced and highly regarded coaches in all areas of the team. One of the most intriguing is the TE coach Clancy Barone; a coach of Pro-Bowl players.
Second, there is an over abundance of Tight Ends on the roster. I grant you that not all will make the final roster, but Coach McDaniels has an army of TE/H-Back players to mold and mix n match into a special unit.
Third, the 3 TE system is a possible (probable) wave of the NFL future. Like the West Coast Offense it will change game planning in a significant way. If the Broncos are as successful on the offense side of the ball in 2009 as many here at MHR believe they will be than the pressure is taken off of the new 3-4 defense. Control the clock, increase scoring in the Red-Zone, better field position thanks to a renewed Special Teams and that will add up to more victories in the Win/Loss column.
The 3 TE system is absolutely perfect in the areas of ball control and RZ scoring. Plus the "Strength of Schedule" issue will be greatly negated if the supposed Power-House teams are trying to figure out how to Defense this new "Magic 3" Offense.
I believe that the "MAGIC 3" will only be part of the new strategy for the offense. Coach McDaniel’s recent success has been with the "Spread Offense" which will be a big part of the offense – hopefully utilizing an occasional "No Huddle" aspect to keep the defense in a state of confusion. But I believe that there is a strong case for the 3 TE scheme to be used in the run oriented ball control phase of the new offense.
IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES…………
TE-1 /H-BACK: HILLIS /BRANSON
TE-2 - GRAHAM / QUINN
TE-3 - SCHEFFLER / QUINN
WR – ROYAL / MARSHALL
RB – MORENO / HILLIS
More thoughts from hoosierteacher..
Remember this is a run heavy scheme. The advantage to pairing the Magic 3 with a zone block system is that TEs are lighter and faster than most OLmen, and thus come close to fitting the zone block build.
The pass rush doesn't concern the 3 TE systems since they are basically showing goal line run. A team that rushes DEs against what is likely a run play in a goal line formation loses even more yardage. But you are right that speedy LBs are part of the answer. I just think you really want bigger, run stopping DEs just like you would see against any goal line type formation.
As good as the scheme is (in theory), it will probably come about several years from now. But you DO see teams experiment on a drive here and there, and it is in the back of the minds of coaches."
THIS BRONCO FAN believe the time is now – 2009 - -
GO BRONCOS!!!!
YOUR THOUGHTS???
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Great first post Broncobh! Rec’d.
I am definitely intrigued by the possibility of running 3 TE sets. It would certainly be a departure from what HCMcD has been primarily known for in the past. However, that’s no reason to think it couldn’t work. If I’ve learned anything about McD at this point it’s that he rarely does what is expected. I can’t wait to see the finished product.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
ditto what pnb said
very nice presentation; look forward to seeing more from you
the 3 TE set is an intriguing concept; I don’t think too many teams would know how to defend it; add Moreno & Hillis the backfield with Marshall & Royal on the wings & you’ve got an offense that could hit you in so many ways it would make your head spin.
it also seems like it would lend itself to a dominating ball-control offense, which would lessen the pressure on the defense immensely.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on May 14, 2009 12:36 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
HOW DO YOU DEFEND THIS BRONCO OFFENSE
Start with the familiar Pro-set (RB, FB, 1TE,2WR), INSERT 1 TE AND YOU ARE ALREADY IN A 3TE FORMATION – THANKS TO HILLIS BEING THE FB/HB AND NOW TE3.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
Welcome. Rec'd
Good stuff. Glad to have you.
by broncointheville on May 14, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions
Solid post!
Thanks for the praise and references too.
Allow me to disagree just a little with my friend PosterNutbag on a small point. HC McDaniels has run several 3 TE sets in NE. In fact, NE ranks second only to PITT in numbers of 3TE sets run over the last two years. Denver was third.
I don’t expect a lot of three TE sets, and I certainly don’t expect a full blown Magic Three system yet. However, with McDaniels coming to Denver, and the pick-up of both Putzier and Quinn, I think the TE position is going to get even more love than in the past. I expect Denver to continue to be one of the three teams in the League to keep experimenting with 3 TE plays. We are already one of the top teams in terms of having two excellent TEs (Graham and Scheff). We certainly have the option to go with three given our depth. Also, as more teams go to the 3-4, we will need more two TE sets to offset outside rushes from the OLBs, so a thir isn’tmuch of a stretch.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
I stand corrected. I guess when I think of HCMcD’s offenses I think more 4-5 WRs and less 3 TEs.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on May 14, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't feel bad.
Heck; when I think of the Patriots I think of 4 and 5 WR sets too!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 14, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
HT do you believe that McDaniels (Urban Meyer System) will develop and use
his own variation of that system and ultimately be called the McDaniels system, an innovation that will take the nfl by storm? What I’m trying to say is, McDaniels learned from offensive guru Urban Meyer, do you think he will develop his own offensive system with the outline of the original system? And great post broncobh.
I don't know for sure what we will do on either side of the ball.
Meyer is definately a spread offense kind of guy, and we could certainly go that route. McDaniels could also go his own way. Given the Ameoba philosphy of McDaniels, I think it is very likely that we adapt our schemes in major shifts from week to week. There was a quote recently (someone might help me out here) where a player or coach said something about running the ball down the opponent’s throat one week, and airing it out the next.
It’s hard to know for sure what we’ll do (even on the defensive side, where I’m more comfortable writing about). Pre-season may tell us a lot. So for now, I’ll just have to dissapoint but be honest and give you an “I don’t know”.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 14, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks HT, and the way I feel (blindly accepting) about how he has handled things so far,
I believe McDaniels will do anything he can to win. Taking what the oposing defense gives him will definately dictate how he does things IMO.
Look down a little further.
BroncoBear answers your question better than I.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on May 15, 2009 4:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think
It’s unreasonable to expect BOTH of these options. Instead of adjustments at the Half, adjust each series, unless something works, then run it til the D stops it.
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
MCDANIELS
First, we have Coach McDaniels: He is focused, detailed and purposeful, with a well though out plan and Vision for the Denver Broncos. I believe that He feels the need to make an immediate mark on this football team in 2009. He has the coaching experience and the guts to move forward in a new way.
I believe that McD is looking to be on the cutting edge of football strategy and game planning, so whether it is 3 TE sets or something else – we are in for a tremendous treat.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
Great post!
I love adding the 5th rec’d!
I agree with HT on all points, which makes me a very wise sort of furphosity (One who is of or having a tendency to furriness). This subject was covered from a different angle in this post. In addition to Coach McD’s use of three TEs in the past, it’s worth remembering, as I noted on a different thread, that Coach McD may have been the last recorded coach to use the 3 TE formation, which he did in December of 2007 with far lesser personnel than he will have this year (this stat was published in December of 2008 and may not have been updated).
One reason that I’ve been leery of the trade-Scheffler rumors is that McD really does appreciate a good TE. Despite Daniel Graham’s desire to be used less as a blocker and more as a receiver, when he was traded to Denver they continued to use him as both. However, if you go back to 2006, TEs under Coach McD in New England passes to tight ends dropped from 81 in 2006, (the same number that Scheffler and Graham together caught in Denver in 2008), to 48 in 2007, and then to just 31 in 2008. The reason was personnel, but his earlier tendency shows that Coach McD does like the 3 TE option and I think that we will see it in red zone situations at the very least.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Thanks Broncobear
As a newbie to this site, I am still catching up on the previous posts of worth, such as the one you outlined.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
I believe that is why McDaniels was eagar to get this job.
He saw the players Shannahan had and the way they were or were not utilized. He probably knew in the back of his mind that there was a great potential at Denver to succeed in his system. I personally can’t wait to see the Broncos hit the field, as to before, well, here we go again. This season might be the greatest season the Broncos have witnessed in a long while. 13-3 Baby!!!
Thank you for the great teaching!!
I really believe that Hillis is the key to this. The versatility that McD has already praised him for – will, I believe, be the strength of the Broncos offense. As I stated above, Hillis will already be on the field as the FB, substitute in a TE and Hillis becomes the HB/TE3 and with the pass catching & running skills of Moreno; how do you defend against this Power Attack or Pass receiving threat of both Hillis & Moreno?
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
You're welcome, and your post went in directions that I didn't, so thank you!
By the way, along with Hillis, we can consider adding both Quinn as well as possibly using Marquez Branson, a 6’3" 248 lb. FB/TE out of Central Arkansas College (to go along with Tony and Daniel) gives the Broncos a vast array of weapons should they chose to make use of a 3 TE formation or two
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Great Post
I think we will see a lot of three TE sets this year and expect it to blow a few teams minds (hopefully SD/KC/oak)
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
I love it.
Great analysis, but should we be disclosing these plans when the Broncos so clearly intend to keep them secret by deleting any reference to them from their website/? Rec’d, and welcome. This site just keeps getting better.
WOW !! Broncobh.....this Magic 3 post is great!!
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Playoffs here we come!!! Go Broncos!!!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
BH...EXCELLENT first post....actually excellent ANY post!
I see things the same as you.
How do you defend against this offense.
It is WAY more dangerous than last year.
I, too, think Bates is an idiot…his play calling was HORRENDOUS all year.
Rec’d mate!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 14, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
boydy I'm a fair chess player, I probably win 40-50% of my games, but if I'm looking over someone's
shoulder during a game, I can beat the opposing player 90-95% of the time. What that means, I have no idea, I feel there are coaches who can analyze the game from a booth better than they could on the field. It’s hard for me to understand that condition, I imagine it has to do with focus but not sure. Maybe some of these doctor can relate to the issue. Bates probably isn’t an idiot, just narrow minded in tight situations. As far coaching, he could probably coach the pants off of most (on the chalk board), just can’t get it done on the field.
Hey Bfree....
idiot may be strong, but he aint intelligent either.
When a mug like me can see things, and I dont know ANYTHING than thats pretty obvious.
Bates was a young dude, not real bright, who actually though he was bright. There is nothing more dangerous than a dummy who thinks he is a genius.
To see him BUTCHER the Jacksonville game LIVE was one of the the most depressing things I have had to sit thru. Throwing on 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1 when Pittman was killing them, predictable play calling…..man it was AWFUL….and the game at home against Oakland was worse.
Both games were devoid of common sense. And, unfortunately, common sense is an oxymoron as it aint that common.
Thanks Bfree…always great hearing from you!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Bubble Screens
pffffffffffffff I’m still waking up from bubble screen nightmares in the middle of the night
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
Hey what boydy...who are you calling an idiot....there is nothing wrong with being an idiot....
I am MHR’s official ‘Village Idiot’ …….and darn happy I am.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Okay... Not an Idiot, Just practices insanity
If Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results… then the converse must be true; Insanity is using conservative running plays that get results (yards gained) and then totally abandoning the plays later in the game!!
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
Fantastic post!
Can’t wait to see McD in action. I too have a hunch he’s going to be an outrageously good strategic coach. It’s going to be a long wait until the first preseason game in August…..
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
Oops! Hate it when I get so excited that I hit the wrong button. It's getting exciting folks!!!
I’m wondering how much we’ll really see in the preseason? Rec’d & Thank You!!!
Very impressive post!
BroncoBH, you certainly came out of the box strong! Look forward to more of your work! Rec’d
Moreno in 2009! - Check
Taylor Mays in 2010!
Fantabulous post!
I have been thinking about this exact subject for a few months now. I agree that McD has visions of revolutionizing the offensive game. Lots of little tidbits were nagging at me and you have synthesized them into something that smells of Occam’s Razor. I think you’ve put together a compelling argument. It dovetails nicely with HT’s and Broncobear’s posts on the subject.
I’d like to toss up another point. We have just acquired a QB that excels at game management and running a flexible system. One of the requirements of the Magic 3 (McMagic?), as HT has taught us, is the ability to audiblize at the line, depending on the defensive set. Orton has the ability do this and I don’t think there is any serious doubt about that aspect of his talent. As we know, the knock on him (not correct, IMHO) is the deep ball. With a Magic 3, the deep ball is not a common outcome. A more common deep ball scenario in that set would be a TE down the seam 20 yards or so. We also have a HC that excels in teaching QBs.
I’m not convinced that Cutler had the audible/generalship skills to run a Magic 3 to it’s best capability. (You cannot teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig). I don’t think there is any question that Orton has those skills, going all the way back to his college days. And what would a defense do if we put 3 TEs, Hillis, and Moreno in a no huddle offense? Is that a 5 receiver set or a monster run? A correct QB audible at the line would be essential, and devastating. The no huddle prevents defenses from substituting for down/distance, and I can’t think of a defensive personnel grouping you would have to keep on the field that could provide a response to both these run and pass options.
At some point in the evolution of football strategy, someone is going to find out if Magic 3 is a viable offensive base. Given our coaches, our players including our QB, and the tendencies this group exhibits, why not now? If not us, who?
Urban Meyer
I have to say this – the emphasis on the Urban Meyer connection may be overstated. I spent a great deal of time in researching this for the series that nycbroncosfan and I wrote, Divining the McDaniels Way. In that process, we looked at the evolution of the new England offense. They started with, essentially, an Erhardt-Perkins offense which was evolved through the work of Charlie Weis. McDaniels started out as the QB coach and took over the reins in 2005, although it was only later that Belichick gave him credit for the playcalling during that year. Belichick had a lot of input into this offense as well. Urban Meyer was consulted, but it’s a reach to say that the offense that the Patriots ran was a spread or that it was ‘his’ offense. Consider this statement from TedBartlett:
There’s no doubt that the scheme changed, but you can’t really isolate the big uptick in effectiveness only to scheme. The player additions were hugely instrumental too, obviously. The point I made a couple weeks ago was that the Erhardt-Perkins methodology was dramatically altered, and that Urban Meyer is strongly believed to have had some input into the new ideas. I don’t know if anybody knows quite how much, though, other than the principals involved.
What would be far more accurate, IMHO, would be to say that each of the above people were involved with the evolution of the New England offense. Certainly, the additions of Welker and Moss to the team created new options, and Brady’s skills opened the door to use them to their maximum benefit. NE ran a lot of different looks and formations – to try to label that as ‘spread’ ignores all of the other looks and approaches that they used. It also neglects the complexity of the adaptation of the schemes via changes in player personnel, a factor which we know played a large role.
As HT notes – the strength of the Amoeba offensive approach is that it is fluid – it changes dramatically from week to week, preying on the weaknesses that the coaches perceive in each opponent. It also varies greatly from half to half, and even from drive to drive. The spread formation is a single aspect of this, but the entirety is far more complex, rich and diverse.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Doc Bear on May 14, 2009 10:35 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Awesome post Bear!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Excellent point Bear!
NE does run some Spread offense in the true sense of the word, but they did even under Charlie Weiss. But the term Spread has been so mis-used that I’m not sure it is a meaningful term. What is clear is that NE categorically does not run Meyer’s Zone-Read-Option-Spread, not even close.
I don’t doubt that Belichick/McDaniels talked to Meyer; football people talk to each other all the time. But I think Meyer’s influence has been greatly exaggerated by a media looking for some way to describe an offensive philosophy (NE’s) that can best be described as “just do what works.”
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 15, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Good post...
Here’s something to mull over…with the current roster the Broncos could actually field a spread formation with 4-TEs. How do you defend that?
especially if none of them needs to stay in to pass block
Check out this excellent analysis of pass blocking stats over at BFTB: http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2009/5/15/874775/offensive-lineman-pass-protection#comments
The Ryans get a lot of love, but Mt. Kuper also rates as one of the best RGs in the league.
What about ROYAL?
With 2 TEs, Hillis as HB/3TE & BM (as big as a TE), and Royal in motion from the slot or lined up in the backfield – someone will get one on one coverage. I really like our chances of success with either BM or Royal in 1 on 1 coverage. Through in a NO-HUDDLE scenario and this is excitedly scary. Call it McDaniels Amoeba or McDaniels Magic!!
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What about Chad Jackson? He is an Urban Meyer coached player and was at NE for a while with McD. We now have him. He has some of the best hands the NFL combine has ever seen.
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by Cardiologist on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
How are we going to field all of our weapons???
Hillis, Moreno, Royal, Marshall, Scheffler, Stokely, Graham, McKinley, Gaffney, Jackson, Putzier, Quinn.
If we go to the Magic 3, we couldn’t have all our WR on the field.
Too many offensive weapons……………
I’m scared ………….. not for the opposing defense, but for our offensive coordinator. How is he supposed to pick who plays?? Could we just field an offense with no offensive line and just put all our playmakers on the field at once?? lol jk. I really don’t know about all this. I guess that having too many options is a good thing, but I really want all these guys to play. This is tough. lol
by broncointheville on May 15, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
So Many weapons!
And so many ways to utilize them!
Great post….It’s going to be hard to draft Broncos fantasy players this year because it might be so spread out…..bummer for FFB, but excellent for real football LOL
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Where else has the three tight end offense been discussed? I know a few of teh articles on here refer to coaches and people discussing this and saying it is a the next wave, but has anyone else discussed this?
And does anyone have a link to the plays and 3 TE offense that McDaniels ran at NE in Dec 07? Any play by play or video? What game was it?
I’d be interested in watching that and seeing what it was all about.
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Back to Dominant Zone Block running game
With Graham, Quinn, Hillis and the Oline out there beating on LBs and Safeties all day.
Article on Pitt use of this
Found an article on pittsburgh’s use of this formation:
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=764
Very interesting. And HoosierTeacher’s article is on FootballTimes now:
http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=218
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