Hey Jay... Football is a TEAM Sport!
I just got done reading about Jay Cuter's "Glorious Unveiling" in Chicago this week, and his proclamation that HE was the reason Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal were premier receivers in the NFL. Honestly, his comments really irked me because it revealed an arrogance and an "it's all about me" mentality that I have come to despise in the world of professional sports. Don't get me wrong, Jay is a talented quarterback, but the reality is this. No quarterback has ever won a game by themselves... not even Jay Cutler.
Sure, the Bronco's defense struggled last year, and sure, Jay had career numbers. But without the 10 other guys paving the way for Jay to do his thing, Jay wouldn't have completed one single pass. For Jay to think that he was the one who made Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal into Star's, is to completely diminish the effort and talents that Brandon and Eddie exerted on the field. It really was an incredible insult to two of the best receivers in the league. Maybe Brandon and Eddie should hold a presser and tell the media that THEY were the ones who made Cutler a star, and without them, he would be a no-name quarterback!
One of the reasons I love football so much is because it is a truly TEAM sport. No other professional sport requires so many members, working together to accomplish the task at hand. It truly takes 50+ players, working together, to make a team successful, and that doesn't even count practice squad guys and coaching staff, all of which are important. If you are missing any part in that mix, the whole team suffers, and to think that any one part is more important than another is pretty narrow sighted.
The reality is this. Championships are not won because of one amazing play by a seemingly star player. Championships are won by teams in which all the players worked together to accomplish the task of winning. Games are not won or lost on one single play, no matter how spectacular that play might be, even if the play happened at the end of the game. It must be remembered that the outcome of every game is the cumulative result of every play and the performance of every player on the team across the entire game. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that one player or one play will ever win or lose a game.
Unfortunately, in the world of sports news and analysis, reporters have backed away from reporting on games as a whole, and spend more time elevating individual players and individual performances. Without the context of the whole game, or the entire TEAM performance, we now have an overabundance of players who embrace the myth and operate as if they were the team, or the most important player on the team.
Honestly, I think that Cutler's comments reveal why shipping him to Chi-town was a good move. Any guy on your team that thinks that he IS the team, is worth getting OFF the team. I like McDaniel's stand in this regard... The Broncos will win and lose as a TEAM... there is no room for individuals. I know it sounds a bit idealistic, but look at what TO did to the Eagles and Cowboys... or Chad Johnson did to the Bengals. That kind of attitude is toxic and will infect and destroy the team as a whole.
I like Orton a ton because he is a team first kind of guy. That kind of leadership garnered him immense respect from his teammates in Chicago, and it will do the same in Denver. He may not have the most natural "skill set", but he has a "character set" that will be more valuable to the team as a whole. I personally believe that a team first kind of player with average skill is a better asset to the team than a guy who has above average skill, and yet lacks character and a team first attitude. Again, how did the whole Ryan Leaf experiment work out?
So bring on the new season! I guarantee that the Broncos will surprise a lot of people with their performance this year, not because they have 1 star quarterback, but that they have a whole team of guys who together, play like stars!
Go Broncos!
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
8 recs |
47 comments
Comments
Right on the Money
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 22, 2009 3:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have a link to the exact quote or the video?
All I saw was the article NYC posted in Tracks, but the offending comment in that case was paraphased by the reporter, so I was withholding judgment.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 22, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I didn’t see that comment, I saw him asked about the WR in Denver versus the ones in Chicago and I thought he said, “The guys in Denver are great pros, we have a group here that is getting better.” I don’t see anything where he said he was responsible for the WR success in Denver.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on May 22, 2009 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right here
“You’re worried about our wide receivers a little bit? Let me put you at ease,” Cutler said, before explaining how the Broncos’ Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal were relative unknowns before their arrival in Denver.
So he’s saying that Bradon and Eddie were unknowns and it was only through his prowess that we now know who those guys are.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
by solace on May 22, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
The writer paraphrased him:
before explaining how the Broncos’ Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal were relative unknowns before their arrival in Denver.
I’d like to actually know what he said word-for-word. If anyone can actually offer that, I’d be grateful.
Don’t get me wrong — I’m wayyyy past the point of defending Jay. But I feel like I need more in order to feel any outrage about this, especially since he complimented B and E just the other day in another presser.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 22, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Jay being criticized for an inaccurate paraphrasing of an accurate statement?
He is right, Brandon and Eddie were relative unknowns. Brandon was an absolute steal in the 4th round, that was probably due to coming from a smaller college, additionally he played Safety the season before his draft year. Eddie was more well known, but since he was one of the best rookies in the NFL I bet there were 31 teams that wish they had evaluated him a bit higher during the draft process.
I don’t need to defend Jay, but I don’t like to work with paraphrased statements from reporters, the MSM hearsay has hurt this team enough during the reloading season. No need to perpetuate the MSM’s lack of reliability.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on May 23, 2009 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just continues to play himself...
I expect there to be serious chemistry problems in Chicago this season, and for the team to really underachieve. If you look at the words of Brian Urlacher, from when the trade was made, and you consider all the hype going on, this is really easy to predict.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on May 22, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I've found that when people talk like that, they are scared.
jay cutler is dealing with a lot of psychological feeling from the riff and the trade. He may have a terrible year because of it. We’ll see.
by bfree2bronc on May 22, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
according to AP, the Ryan Leaf experiment is Vicodin. it sure seems like Jay is something too.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 22, 2009 4:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is a tool.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on May 22, 2009 5:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on May 23, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has to Pump up his current boy's
I am not a big fan of Cutler these days but I interpreted his statements a little different. I thought he has to say good things about his current teamates and down play his past teamates success. Anyway pretty much everything that has come out of his mouth since the end of the season has been a lie so why should we care what he thinks of Marshall, Royal, Hester and … Who ever else the bears have at WR. The season overwrites offseason statements.
by maritimebronco on May 22, 2009 5:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
you might be right...
I think you are right that Cutler was trying to stick up for his WR’s, and obviously that would be a difficult situation to be in, but again, the way he did it was to imply that it was his talent that made BMarsh and Royal into stars, and then imply that the same thing will happen in Chicago. That seems to ring pretty loud with self promotion… but maybe it’s just me…
by RevrendBronco on May 22, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
jay who?
jk
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on May 22, 2009 8:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
great article! im not a fan of cutler. i live in chicago. its funny cuz they have no idea how to treat a QB lol
do you have link to the article you read? i would like to read it.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on May 22, 2009 9:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is the link to the article...
by RevrendBronco on May 22, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks!
jay still single? lol. doesnt surprise me. he probably doesnt remember any girls he has met anyway cuz he’s always drunk when he goes out lol
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on May 22, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he actually have any girlfriends
MHR...and proud of it!
by MHRsGirl on May 23, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmmmm
What are you inferring, young lady?
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on May 23, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
Outstanding called out by his “ex”
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on May 23, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...like...i was mean
i sorta did the troll thingie…i will be good now…i feel better
MHR...and proud of it!
by MHRsGirl on May 25, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read the article
Unless there is comments he made that aren’t in there I couldn’t care less about it. But the writer made a statement that might infuriate a certain Bronco QB.
" He’s well aware of the toddler-sized shoes he’s trying to fill." Wow, Kyle……toddler sized shoes? You have anything to prove here?
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on May 23, 2009 7:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Toddler Sized Shoes?
Did he really say that? The best possible thing Lovie could do for his team is ban Jay from ever talking to the media. Let’s see how he doe with a full season in the Chicago system, with that line and those receivers and oh yeah with that wonderful climate cause it’s so QB friendly!! What a moron……
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on May 24, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at YAC yards
Brandon and Eddie were right up there in YAC yards. If anything, they helped jay’s numbers by running after the catch. Brandon is almost impossible to bring down and Eddie can outrun anybody. Jay, please. Don’t be an idiot. Brandon and Eddie will be fine without you. Have fun with Hester, Olsen, and ………………. your porous offensive line???
by broncointheville on May 23, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
YAC
Broncos WR’s YAC in 2008 – 1013.5 (Marshall, Royal, Stokely, D. Jackson)
Bears WR’s YAC in 2008 – 552.2 (Booker, Davis, Hester, Lloyd)
that says quite a bit…
by RevrendBronco on May 23, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears YACless WR stats is upsetting
West Coast offenses usually are designed to get YAC, but I am not sure what the Bears were emphasizing with their version of the WCO. Plus with Hester’s speed and elusiveness he should have had the basic tools to be a good YACer. No wonder the Bears fans are so annoyed with their WRs.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on May 23, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
They just blamed it on Orton.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on May 24, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not entirely
The Bears came in at 5.14 YAC per reception, Denver at 4.90. That also says something. We had better numbers by doing close to their performance but catching so many more passes skewed the numbers
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 23, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Your Exactly Right...
You certainly are going to fall short trying to compare two completely different offensive philosophies. Jay in a throw first offense to a plethera of WR and TE options… vs… Kyle in a run first, run second, maybe throw third to a RB and TE dominated receiving corps… Defenses are going to play completely different against those two different philosophies.
I expect Orton or Simms to improve the overall YAC numbers simply because they will get the ball to the receivers in a place for them to utilize thier play making skills to their fullest potential. Plus, the running game taking more of a central focus will force defenses to play the run, opening holes for the WR’s to roll!
by RevrendBronco on May 23, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wouldnt most of those numbers be attributed
To the fact that Ortons #1 receiver last year was Forte, receiving out of, or in, the back field? I mean, you would expect his numbers to skew the YAC also, considering any gain is more like a running gain…
Okay, I can think of this in my head, but cant seem to word it quite right.
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on May 23, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying..
It’s an interesting point, but how exactly do catches made in the backfield impact YAC numbers? Would they truly count as a catch or would they be considered a hand-off and thus those numbers go to the running game? I don’t honestly know but I would guess they would be considered a hand off and it’s not a catch until the reciever is at the line of scrimage. Like I said I don’t know for sure. Maybe someone on here can shed some light.
by racer39girl on May 26, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is a forward pass
or an overhand pass it counts as a pass. If it’s a lateral it counts as a run.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 26, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looking at BMarsh tells you all you need to know.
The way he punishes cornerbacks and seems to always be open says a lot. How many receptions did he have in one game? 18??? That was certainly because Cutler was flawless and squeezed it in because Marshall couldn’t get separation. PLEASE……..
Marshall used his huge body to muscle defenders away, get open, catch the ball, and proceed to make everyone and their strength coach miss a tackle.
That also says something. The eyeball test. Cutler was certainly given help in his yardage totals. What about his low throws to Stokely? He would dive for the ball and that’s all the yardage he could get Cutler overthrew players, underthrew them and then we would oooo and aaaaa when he would hit someone in a tight window.
It is not all jay. Saying that Brandon and Eddie would be nothing without him is simply ridiculous. We will be fine in Denver. I’m looking forward to seeing Orton and the rest of the denver attack shock everyone when we continue to produce huge yards and get some points on the board.
by broncointheville on May 23, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Eddie's routes were incredible for a rookie
In fact, they were danged great for a seasoned pro. Stokes was priceless long before he met Cutler. That one doesn’t pass the smell test.
I don’t know if the reporter, who doesn’t give specifics on that issue of ‘creating’ our WRs, was being totally accurate. He had to know that what he was writing would create buzz, so leaving the quotes out was probably intentional and it makes me wonder as to what was really said. If it was accurate – Jay is having a little tiny problem with star syndrome.
I expect Orton or Simms to improve the overall YAC numbers simply because they will get the ball to the receivers in a place for them to utilize thier play making skills to their fullest potential. Plus, the running game taking more of a central focus will force defenses to play the run, opening holes for the WR’s to roll!
Good points, Rev
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 23, 2009 2:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right On...
Your right on about Eddie… and he will only get better.
You might be right about the reporter trying to stir stuff up… but you can’t say that Jay was a team first kind of player. If you were team first, you’d get your butt into workouts and meetings with your team, and you’d respect your coach for trying to improve the team by evaluating every option with every player to make the team better… including your own. The fact that he was throwing a fit about something that was never even considered seriously just proves that he thinks he is on a different level than everyone else on the team. Honestly… he handled this situation exactly like TO would have… you would have thought his agent was Drew Rosenhuas.
by RevrendBronco on May 23, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of Randy Moss, the quarterback always makes the receivers. Who would Chad Johnson be without Palmer? Who would TO be without Young? Who would Greg Jennings be without Favre?
Only Moss was talented enough to make the quarterback. Look what he did to Cunningham, Culpepper, Brad Johnson (for a while), Brady, and Cassel. He did suck in Oakland, but other factors were involved.
I am not saying that I care about this topic or what Cutler said or didn’t say. This is my general rule that I follow, “The QB always makes the WRs who they are. Not the other way around, except for Randy Moss.”
http://www.FootballTimes.org
Join our growing community!
Free playbooks, articles, health, nutrition, excercise, and strategy articles for coaches, players, professional and weekend football players!
by Cardiologist on May 23, 2009 11:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry but I have to disagree. I am actually a cowboys fan and we drafted michael irvin because he was already an “exceptional receiver.” The bronco and cowboy philosophy has always been the same “get the best receiver for your qb.” You can’t turn every receiver into an elite one just because they’re paired with a great qb. Reggie Wayne was great in college long before he got with Peyton-that’s why he’s there and paid all that money. A qb can only do so much with the talent he’s been given. Jerry Rice enhanced Joe Montana because he had huge potential. If you want the qb to excel, then you pay for the talent to catch the ball. Brett Favre was reportedly furious with the packers for not going after Moss-he wanted his talent. I’ve yet to hear from any great qb that didn’t want great talent catching the ball because it’s what they do AFTER THE CATCH that separates them from the pack. They go hand in hand: talent on talent which helps forge success. Why only pay for one side-they don’t catch the ball. Yes, even a cowboys fan will say that regardless of what team Rod Smith and Michael Irvin were on, they would’ve been geat anyway.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on May 24, 2009 1:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great receivers make QB's look great.
What are your thoughts on TO? I saw him miss balls last year that he should of caught, though ever throw was not catchable alot were. It seemed to me like he was preoccupied with something else on his mind at the time of the misses. What do you think LFj?
by bfree2bronc on May 24, 2009 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is a rather unique character, but he states that he needs to be involved early in order to contribute. He did drop alot of passes and it was frustrating, but that was his stance. he probably was preoccupied with having his ongoing frustration with Jason Garrett because they bumped heads on alot of play calling decisions (no, JG is not a good oc). I think he called it that way because Romo favored Whitten and they wanted him gone. Now, we don’t have an elite receiver at all (yes , even with the drops he’s better then what we had).
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on May 26, 2009 1:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, to a point
Let’s look at this another way. I think we would all agree that John Elway (as a complete package)was a better QB than Cutler. Did Elway’s “prowess” turn Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, or Ricky Nattiel into Pro Bowl receivers? I think not. Conversely, someone could say that Eddie Mac and Rod Smith were “unknowns” until they came to Denver and working with Elway turned them into stars.
Another point to consider…..If we hadn’t thrown the ball so much last year, neither Jay, BMarsh, nor Eddie would have looked as good as they did, which could lead someone to argue that the system makes the players, but lets not go there.
The point, is that it’s too simple to say the QB makes the WRs or vice versa. The talent of the surrounding players, the coaches, the system, the work ethic must all come together in order for any single player to be truly successful.
Mistakes are, after all, the foundation of truth, and if a (person) does not know what a thing is, it is at least an increase in knowledge if (they) know what it is not. - Carl Jung
by Smiling Assassin on May 24, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Montana is a classic example Loveforjoy
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 24, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is Greg Jennings?
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 24, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is an interesting question
The belief that QBs can ‘make’ receivers is a common aphorism. I’ve never seen anyone did a statical analysis of it and I’d love to see it. The above point on Elway is great and it helps to frame this discussion. Actually, there are tons of lousy receivers who played (usually temporarily, with great QBs.
The QB can’t make the catch, gain separation, time the leap or hang on in traffic for the receiver. Similarly, the receiver can’t time the throw, add arc, thread the needle or get rid of the ball in time for the QB. My own impression, for what it’s worth, is that every position on the field needs to work together to get the job done.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 24, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
reality check
Football is, arguably, the premier team sport.
For a quarterback, a receiver or a running back to look great, it takes all 11 of the players on the field to do their jobs effectively.
A qb can’t look great if his O-line is porous (see David Carr for an example), or if there is no running game (see Denver’s 7 running backs lost to injury), or if the receivers don’t do a good job of getting open (see Chicago’s receiving statistics).
A running back can’t look good, if his blockers don’t get the job done.
A reciever can’t look good, if the quarterback doesn’t have time to throw, or throws poorly (see Vince Young).
While individual statistics are fun and nice (especially if you’re playing fantasy football), in the greater scheme of an NFL game, individual stats don’t count for a single thing, if the rest of the team isn’t getting the job done (see Denver’s 2008 collapse in the last 3 games, or as Marshall said (and I’m paraphrasing here) 4500 yards and 25 TDs don’t mean much if you don’t win).
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on May 24, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Elway
made average receivers like “the three amigos” a lot better because of his arm strength and scrambling ability and Culter has the same ability but I am sure Angelo will continue to add better receivers around Culter in the next 2 years or so while Cutler is in his prime years. But I also think Royal and Marshall are the best set of staring wide receivers the Broncos have ever had (although Smith and McCaffrey were great I think Royal and Marshall are a lot more althletic) and will do fine without Cutler the rest of their careers if Orton, Simms, Brandstater or somebody else can prove to be an effective NFL quarterback.
I didn’t see anything wrong with Culter’s quotes in the article. He will make the Bears receivers better like Elway did with the Broncos receivers in the 1980’s.
by broncorob on May 24, 2009 10:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

by 

































