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Lack of a running game

So,

I was pondering the whole question of our outlook for 2009 and beyond, after reading all the wonderful materials and statistics that have been compiled and analyzed on this site over the past several months. But, I realized that there is one aspect of the 2008 Denver Broncos that is being largely ignored.

We did not have a consistent running game. 

 

 

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Many are now blaming this on the coaching, which I am sure contributed to the problem, but the reality is that the players themselves, the RBs, simply did not get it done when it mattered last year. 

The lone exception to our otherwise terrible or injured RBs, Peyton Hillis, flashed across our Broncos universe for a few weeks and completely transformed the team. Our defense started playing better.  Although many attribute this to the young defensive players hitting the field over the veterans, I am sure that the consistent running game greatly helped the defense.  A consistent running attack does 3 crucial things

1.  convert 3rd down in the red zone

2.  score touchdowns

3.  keep our defense off the field

Without the ability to do these things, an offense cannot be successful.  And if your offense is not successful, then your defense gets worse and the the team cannot win.  Jeremy Bates' schemes caught defenses off guard for a few weeks; however, once the def. coordinators realized that the 2008 version of the broncos could not, or would not, run the ball (as almost all previous Shanahan-led Broncos could), our offense ceased to be successful.

Again, the lone exception to the above was the time when Peyton Hillis was our starting RB which, btw, took the Broncos to their best record of the year, 8-5.  His injury robbed the team of the necessary skills to win games, and we dropped to 8-8 and out of the playoffs.

Granted, this is a simplification, since other factors were certainly involved (changing personnel on defense, health, and the brief success of other backs on roster). However, anyone who watched the Broncos last season must agree that the team's offense fundamentally changed when Peyton Hillis was lost for the season.

My personal theory is that Shanahan's schemes are so integrated with the running game that, without it's success, he was unable to adapt and change the offense to suit the lack of personnel at RB.  However, there are not many coaches, no matter what level, that can win without a high-quality defense or running game. 

And here is the tough part.

Jay Cutler is often blamed for the very 3 qualities I listed above- converting 3rd down in the red zone, scoring touchdowns, and keeping our defense off the field (i.e. not throwing interceptions).  In fact, without a running game or a defense, there are almost no QBs in the NFL that can succeed.  Especially not QBs in their second year full year.  So, although his statistics do not look great on paper, we all know that if Cutler had not been traded and McJaygate had never happened, we would be finding statistics to support that this, his 3rd full year and first with a new offensive guru, would be his time to fully blossom.  We would come up with numbers comparing Cutler''s first 2 1/2 years to Hall of Fame QBs,  and extrapolating to show how the running game would have impacted Cutler's numbers.

The failure of our offense last year was not the failure of Jay Cutler.  It was the failure of our vaunted and long-established running game that killed our offense, and thus our season last year.  We had only 1 type of back, and none (aside from Hillis) that could convert a 3rd and 1, or bang it into the end-zone

Ironically, it is Mcdaniels who has seen how much the quality of our personnel at RB hurt us last year.  His first significant acts of player acquisition, in free agency, were focused largely on RBs, and at a time before McJay.  And my guess is that, had we never traded Jay Cutler, we still would have drafted Knowshon at 12 (how would the MSM have liked THAT move?) instead of a defensive player.  The quality of our RBs and our overall running game hurt us more than most anyone is talking about now.  Kudos to Mcdaniels for recognizing this.

However, we no longer have our quarterback.  And, whatever anyone says now about the coming season(s), is only conjecture.  My guess is that he may still be a great QB in the NFL, and that he stood a great chance success here in Denver.  But, he is no longer a part of the Broncos organization.

Some of my other personal guesses are that Mcdaniels will have success here in Denver, Cutler will have success in Chicago, and each will have at least one moment of regret about not having worked together.  But those are just guesses.  The future is still entirely unknown.

However, I do know that the lack of a running game cost the 2008 Denver Broncos their season.  It might have even cost the 2009-20XX Denver Broncos, if Mcdaniels is not successful.  Because if we had a successful running game last season, Shanahan would still be coach, Cutler would still be QB, and we would all be getting excited about training camp coming up.  We might have even been very successful  next season.  I don't know, nor does anyone else. 

So here's to an increased focus on RBs. Here's to the coach, Mcdaniels, who recognized this incredible need.  And here's to the success of the Broncos in 2009 and beyond.  But, it's hard not to look at this and wonder what might have been, had Shanahan found that one healthy back.

 

 

 

 

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sorry!

I accidentally put this up doubled, but I think I fixed it (hopefully).

by MGM on May 22, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I think you're right on the money, MGM

and the addition of Moreno and hope for a less injury-plagued offensive backfield are the fuel to my hopes for an offensive improvement—well, that and better play calling. I also share your personal prediction that both Jay and Josh may enjoy success, though I have to say, I do have this little voice whispering to me that Jay Cutler is somehow going to find a way to implode or fail to reach his potential. When he was our guy, It was a relatively minor suite of nagging concerns in the back of my brain: the fourth-quarter mistakes, the locking on his primary receiver, the discomfort with which he wears the mantle of leadership, the fact that he just sometimes didn’t seem to want to win badly enough, even his diabetes. Now that he’s not a Bronco, I can turn up the volume on that little voice.
It would be nice to be able to honestly say that I hope Jay succeeds, but as the season creeps closer I find myself increasingly hoping that he fails—if only to prove that McDaniels’ instinct may have been a good one, and that the intuition I’ve always had that Jay might not measure up to his mad skills was too…

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington

by Broncs Cheer on May 22, 2009 3:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Me too Broncs Cheer

I don’t wish serious injury on Jay, but some suffering to bring him realization that he was wrong would help ease the betrayal I feel he has given the whole State of Colorado. Maybe a 65 sack season would appease my Orange bloodedness. Braa Ha Ha!

With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg

by KaptainKirk on May 22, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

wow, a smart post. thanks

but noone likely cares. it’s still jay-bashing season at mhr. you’d be better off posting why you think orton is better, all is cured, and just hop on the hate bus. the blame for our lack of more wins the past 2 seasons is squarely on cutler here, and to a much lesser degree, shanahan.

historic defenses, st’s, worst field-position in the league, injuries, bad coaching, bad play-calling, … it was all jay. the rb’s? an excuse. it appears you might be new here. if so, welcome. keep up the good work, you make excellent points, in my opinion. the running game may save us, yet. here’s to good health! and thanks again for the refreshing analysis.

power-running, baby. ya need it

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the secondary?

by davecheffy on May 22, 2009 6:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Perhaps you should READ everything that is posted

MGM brings up great points, and considering he has people complimenting his post and agreeing…your “opinion” is wrong. People do care. And for what it’s worth, I don’t put last season on Jay. I put it on the coaching staff over the last few years.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 22, 2009 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

?

about the excellent points he made? please clarify, i happen to agree with the poster, and your comment and mine are the only ones without a stab at the ex-qb, compliments aside. did you miss that? 7 comments for this interesting post, and quadruple that for the “hey jay” i hate you post, written after it. that, my friend is a shame. and i think it proves the “caring” point quite well. keep on writing, MGM, i’m looking for something intelligent to read.

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the secondary?

by davecheffy on May 23, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks for the comments

I appreciate your thoughts, and it’s hard not to get caught up in the ex-girlfriend syndrome (always hate them after they’re gone) going on right now at MHR.

I also don’t disagree with the sentiment that Jay may have certain personality deficiencies, or that his leadership was lacking. And I am very excited about Mcdaniels’ emphasis on leadership in his player acquisition. But, I don’t think that our team was in a position to succeed, with leadership from the QB or not, unless the trademark Broncos running game could help the QB and the Def.

by MGM on May 23, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like reading your post, MGM good Job!

I think we needed to improve the running game, but our field position due to turnovers and special teams were not good.
Our defense was not good and our QB’s reading of defenses was particularly questionable in the red zone as was the play calling.

I believe Disco Stu is right as well that it belongs on the coaching staff the most.

Our running game was an issue at times but our coming out flat, our getting blown out so often was on the coaching staff.

I for one, would not be happy to have that coaching staff back and thought we stayed with them too long.

I am much more excited about this season than I was about last. We have better coaches in almost every position now and a team first mentality. I see the players we signed and they have a character and a passion we have lacked for a while.

Could the running game be better you bet, but our issues were more than that and McDaniels said so when he came in.
We had a lack of passion and team first mentality, some very poor schemes as well. Will Kyle Orton be better than Cutler? Cutler will throw harder, Orton will be quite successful under McDaniels and with the O Line and weapons we have.

Go 2009 Broncos!

"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624

by dmitchell624 on May 24, 2009 5:11 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I absolutely agree

that our team had many deficiencies last year, and much can be blamed on the coaching staff. But the point I was trying to make was that the failure of our running game, the most iconic and consistent aspect of the Shanahan Broncos over the years, contributed greatly to our missing the playoffs.

And certain things you mentioned above, such as turnovers and field position, are also directly related to the success of the running attack. If a team cannot consistently churn out yardage by running, then the QB is asked to complete passes in much less advantageous circumstances (such as 3rd and long, or being forced to pass too often in the red zone) leading to many more turnovers and worse field position. And the defense can game-plan more specifically for the pass and adjust personnel. Some have blamed the running game’s failure on the coaching, which I certainly think contributed to the problem, but the quality of our RBs left much to be desired (a sentiment that Mcdaniels clearly agreed with).

But, I too am very excited about Mcdaniels and co, and think that we are well on our way to some great seasons ahead (and I can’t wait to see our Moreno Hillis backfield!). And I think Mcdaniels’/ Xanders’ strategies for player acquisition are a big step up from Shanahan’s/ Goodmans’. Love the emphasis on toughness and leadership.

Go Broncos!

by Cellig on May 24, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

whoops

sorry, I let my buddy use my computer last night and I guess I was still logged in as him. obviously this last comment was me.

by MGM on May 24, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was great MGM! And...

Although I wish Cutler, Shanahan and Slowik the best, I look around at all the changes that are being made and I get so excited that (and I know I shouldn’t say this) but I’m soooo glad Hillis got injured last year. Now let’s stay healthy! Go Bronks!

by Bronkfan on May 22, 2009 6:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Getting excited, too

That is the best part about this time of year- it’s time to see what our new team looks like (at least in shorts). And I definitely like a lot of what I am seeing about Mcdaniels. Plus, now we have Hillis AND Moreno (plus Jordan, Arrington, and buckhalter)

by MGM on May 23, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

jay cutler was a failure! And I'll explain.

His field generalship was less than admiralable, often times trying to thread a pass into coverage. His off the field (during a game) leadership was awful, just pathetic. He would make a mistake and then go sit by himself and pout, when he should have rallied the defense to get him back on the field to make good for the mistake. His locker room leadership was poor (read some of the articles of the players who played with him), not taking the lead with the team.

I don’t blame the whole failure on him, Bates and Shannahan must share the burden, but if you are a QB and you do not lead your offense then you are a failure, bottom line. No if’s, ands, or butts about it. jay cutler isn’t going to make himself any better in Chicago and probably will be worse. You can say what you want about the firing of Bates as the ultimate reason for the riff, but I’ll bet any amount of money it had to do with his behavior (play).

This new Head Coach IS NOT going to put up with any of that BEHAVIOR. That’s why jay is gone, and I’ll tell all, I’m not one bit sorry and I feel we have the better QB…13-3 Baby!!!

by bfree2bronc on May 22, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree- to a point

Thanks for the comment bfree. As I responded above, I don’t disagree with the sentiment that Cutler has certain deficiencies (leadership, decision-making) as a QB. But, the point I was making is that no QB, regardless of their talent and leadership ability, can completely overcome a weak running game in the absence of a def. It is certainly possible that Cutler would have struggled had he stayed here

But, I think that, if we had run the ball last year like the Denver Broncos are supposed to run the ball, he would still be our QB and Shanahan would still be our coach. If Peyton Hillis doesn’t get injured, there is no way we lose all 3 of our last games, and we would have made the playoffs. And we would all be getting excited about the upcoming training camp. Kind of messes with your head, huh?

by MGM on May 23, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Could be true but we were better at running the ball than 2/3 of the nfl.

12th in the league with 8 different backs, that was quite a feat in it self. I agree though, if Hillis didn’t get injured we probably would have won the afcwest/

by bfree2bronc on May 23, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, but...

saying we were 12th in the league at running the ball is like saying we had the 2nd ranked offense- it only accounts for gross yardage, not for scoring or situational prowess. Much like the rest of our offense, our running game excelled between the 20s and as a change-up for our passing game (see our passing/ running %) but not in critical game situations such as those listed above- 3rd and short, in the red zone, and in clock-eating situations. Therefore our running game only served as the weak sister to our passing offense, and could not excel under pressure (again, except when Hillis was involved)

by MGM on May 23, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

another excellent point.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on May 24, 2009 1:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with your statement MGM

Yardage alone doesn’t tell the story. You also made the point if Hillis didn’t get hurt we would have made the playoffs and Cutler and Shanny would still be here, which means so would Slowik.

THANK GOD we didn’t make the playoffs then! ;-)

"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624

by dmitchell624 on May 24, 2009 5:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think it was definitely time to move on to a new coaching staff, and I’m loving the direction the team is taking right now.

by Cellig on May 24, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

double whoops

also made this comment from my buddies’ account. don’t you hate it when people don’t log out from your computer?

by MGM on May 24, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

me too

though I definitely remember us passing WAY too much in the red-zone. Whether we couldn’t or just didn’t run the ball enough is another discussion, although I think it was some combination of the two that led to our terrible running effort

by Cellig on May 24, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, rec'd

Never really thought about it like that- it’s weird to think about rooting for Shanny and co. again

by Cellig on May 23, 2009 9:02 PM MDT reply actions  

The future

I like this post, and rec’d it. however, it postulates a scenario that may not hold up: i.e., that either Jay was responsible for the listed faults or the running game was. The third option – that it was coaching – was mentioned in the comments. Given J. Bates’ predilections, that is also on anyone’s list. I also have to notice something – there are a lot of opinions flying here, my friends, but no one is citing statistics nor analysis to support them, and that isn’t MHR level.

Back in school, long ago, there was often an additional option – d. all of the above. In this case, I think that is the reality. Jay’s third down performance was a miserable 72.3 QB rating. His greatest weakness was that on third down he threw an INT percentage of 7.69%. His red zone numbers I’ve cited often and they were terrible. I can’t lay that at anyone else’s door. So, yes, Cutler was at fault for a lot of it.

The issue of running on third down – I haven’t had time to dig up that stat. However, for rushing 1st downs we were14th in the league – average, but nothing more. For rushing TDs we were 15th. Stuffs per carry, 19th. Total number stuffed – a number that you want to rank low on: 32, for 24th in the league, which is very good. Our gross ypc is also very good at 4.8. But here’s where we were excellent – 1st downs per carry, 2nd in the league at 26.6

So, you see, we were actually middle of the pack on TDs, even though we tended to the pass in red zone situations. We got great yards per carry. Our rushing game was underutilized, perhaps due to a perception that it wasn’t as strong, but I can’t prove that perception statistically. We were 2nd in the league for 1st downs per carry, and our ypc was 4.8 which is incredibly good. What I’m finding is this:

1. Yes, Cutler was very weak on 3rd down and in red zone situations. That’s not piling on, just reading the numbers.
2. Our ability to produce 1st downs by rushing, over the course of the season and despite the revolving door created by injuries, was top of the line. When we ran, we ran well. Sure, a lot of that was an incredible line. But that’s part of the rushing game, and we were very good. Much better than most people thought, including a lot of members. Keep in mind, though, that some of the time we were scraping the bottom of the roster and that did matter, late in the season.
3. The coaching in terms of play calling was bizarre.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 24, 2009 11:12 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

one other thought

Although we were successful in aspects of our running game (1st downs, as you pointed out) we only had that one type of back which excels in that aspect of the game (i.e. playing in space). None of our runners, aside from Hillis, were successful in the crucial short-yardage and clock-eating situations.

btw, my next comment was intended as a response to your post, Broncobear, and written before this. I accidentally put it as a separate comment.

by MGM on May 24, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks broncobear

I agree with many of your thoughts, and, as always, you have backed up your comments with some excellent statistical analysis. I, too, agree that our running game was underutilized by the coaching staff and that our unbalanced offense may be largely blamed on the coaching. I also agree that there is not an either/or situation for the blame (as in it is either Cutler or the running game) but probably a combination of the two that led to an unsuccessful offensive attack.

However, statistics may be viewed through many lenses. Yes, Cutler’s statistics on 3rd down and in the red zone are quite weak. However, these statistics did not arrive in a vacuum. These statistics were derived from Cutler’s passes made against defenses that were not afraid of the run threat and therefore prepared for the pass. Much as a QB throwing against a college defense will have better statistics then the same QB throwing against NFL defenses, so too will the same QB succeed or struggle (although not as dramatically) based on the advantages of the D facing that QB (i.e. whether the QB has good receivers, a good line, and the threat of a running attack).

Although the statistics for our running attack are not terrible (although by Denver standards they are hardly acceptable), having gone and rewatched the majority of our season on NFL Rewind, it is hard to make the case that defenses were honestly afraid of our running game. After the first few games, in which they still honored the tradition of excellence in the running game, defenses knew where the ball was going, and were thus prepared.

Again, this is subjective analysis without statistical backing; however at a certain point one must trust one’s eyes. And it is hard to watch the games and argue that the running game in Denver last year was anywhere near the threat it was in years past. Especially when the brief time that Hillis brought credibility to our running attack only gave further evidence, by contrast, of the poor quality of our other RBs.

Further evidence of this lack of quality in our RB corps comes in our run/pass splits, as well as the fact that Mcdaniels clearly made revamping the RBs a major priority in the offseason.

by MGM on May 24, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

I understand

I’ve also bought into NFL Rewind and would recommend it to anyone. Your points are well taken – again, a lot of this is laid at the feet of the coaches. Still, I’d say let’s keep some things in mind:

1. Sure, no one ‘feared’ our running game. We did have Pittman and Hillis for most of the season, though. It wasn’t until the last quarter of the season that we had essentially nothing in the power department (and still gained excellent yardage running).
2. Cutler had the authority to audible, and a lot of this leaves that fact off. If they weren’t expecting a run, Bates (first) and Cutler had the option of running.
3. Cutler loves living on the edge. He has great accuracy and believes that he can make any throw. He threw a lot of passes that he didn’t have to and shouldn’t have. Please look at that INT rate on third down. That’s no one’s fault but the guy throwing the ball. Audible, throw to the outlet (Please!), throw it away.
4. As far as changing personnel – you bet. I was never thrilled with our people overall, and I’m glad for the change. Again – that’s really a coaching decision, Mike S and J Bates (pardon me) cooperatively dropped the ball.

I think that we agree more than perhaps you might think.

“These statistics were derived from Cutler’s passes made against defenses that were not afraid of the run threat and therefore prepared for the pass”

Of course – coaching again. But seriously – the issues of coaching are agreed, yet we have to consider that Cutler’s tendencies to force (and I have to admit – I don’t buy the argument some make of him feeling pressured to win all the time at all – he just likes those decisions), to refuse to do checkdowns and to lock on all contributed to an INT rate on third down that was awful and very telling about his decision-making.

To me this isn’t about years past – it’s just about last year. I’m glad that we now have better (or so I believe) players and I’m deeply grateful for the coaching change. I belive that McDaniels will be a huge improvement over Bates.

The ability to avoid stuffs goes to the combination of a better scheme (God Bless Bobby Turner) than what was used and much, much better O line play. That last goes to the future, which, oddly, is what I started out to talk about! My apologies for hijacking my own comment. At any rate, with Moreno and the other options, a decent scheme and good health on the O line, our ability to run should be vastly improved.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 24, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions  

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