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THE WILD CARDS ON THE ROSTER – UFA’S and Special Teams

 

Bronco’s football fever begins to take hold as the calendar inches closer to training camp.

MHR fan posts begin to fill with discussions about hope-to-be rosters and speculations on what Coach McDaniels and DC Nolan are really going to do. 

 

Obviously, this speculation/discussion is all for fun :-), since the OTA’s and passing camp have just started, the pre-season injuries have not occurred, and the stars have not broken out from the pack yet.

 

There have been some excellent posts on MHR concerning the Roster and Depth Chart – One being the following:

Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations by TedBartlett905 On May 25, 2009

 

So let me add more food for thought that looks at another angle. 

 

I believe that Special Teams play is going to change dynamically for two reasons.

 

1)      The NFL rules change curtailing (downsizing) the blocking wedge to a maximum of two players working in tandem (if there are more than two return team members lined up shoulder to shoulder that lead the blocking it will be a 15-yard penalty at the spot of the wedge).   I envision that Kick-off return and coverage teams will be more comprised of players that are considered athletic agile and fast.  Think smaller, quicker - linebacker, safety or tight-end types.  It will be interesting to see – what evolves, but I no longer see the middle of the field clogged with lineman bodies.

2)      Josh McDaniels brought in 17 Undrafted (college) free agents.  Normally, one would expect only a handful to make the team or be eligible to be placed on the Practice Squad.  However, this is closer to a total team re-building than many of us long-time Bronco fans have ever seen.  So, the Coach will continue to look for “Football Players” to put on his final roster.

 

 

 

Star-divide

Some Foundational Information on Rosters: 

53-man Protected Roster:  

          Prior to the opening week of the season, each team must trim its roster to 53 active players by waiving all other players and/or placing them into alternative designations (e.g., IR, Suspended,PUP etc.).  

          On regular-season game days the team names its 45-man Active Roster which defines those players who may participate in the game. In addition, each team is allowed to name one of the remaining 8 players as its emergency backup QB--that player can only play QB and can only play in the event of injury to the team's #1 and #2 QBs.

 

8-man Practice Squad:

 

          After all teams have set their 53-man rosters prior to opening day and each team has passed 24-hours on acquiring the contracts of every other player waived by the other 31 NFL teams, each team may sign up to 8 players to occupy its developmental Practice Squad. These players practice with their teams but cannot dress on game days.

 

          Further, any other team may claim a team's PS player on waivers at any given time during the season -- the only stipulation to this is that the team signing the PS player must immediately add that player to its 53-man roster.

 

A player is eligible for the PS if he:

  • Has no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL
  • Has one prior Accrued Season in which he was on the 45-man active roster for no more than 8 games
  • Has been on the PS with the particular team no more than 2 prior seasons

 

Recent Past History of UFAs 2008)

From a recent column on www.nationafootballpost.com

 

Undrafted Free Agent Landscape: Number of Players Signed as UFAs/Number that Made Opening-Game Roster/Number that Made Practice Squad:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Team

UFAs

Team

UFAs

Team

UFAs

Arizona

15/3/3

Green Bay

15/2/4

Oakland

12/0/6

Atlanta

16/2/3

Houston

13/2/3

Philadelphia

11/2/4

Baltimore

16/3/3

Indianapolis

17/4/4

Pittsburgh

12/1/4

Buffalo

12/2/6

Jacksonville

12/3/3

San Diego

18/3/2

Carolina

14/2/1

Kansas City

21/3/5

San Fran

10/1/2

Chicago

15/1/1

Miami

16/3/5

Seattle

13/3/4

Cincinnati

15/3/3

Minnesota

18/4/6

St. Louis

15/1/3

Cleveland

19/2/5

New England

13/1/4

Tampa Bay

10/1/2

Dallas

14/2/3

New Orleans

17/1/2

Tennessee

15/1/1

Denver

7/3/1

N Y Giants

18/3/2

Washington

17/2/5

Detroit

2/1/2

N Y Jets

21/3/4

 

 

 

This may or may not pertain to this season:  Since the Denver numbers reflect Mike Shanahan’s regime, and the New England numbers reflect the year after the Super Bowl season where in theory NE was only developing players (PS) not overhauling the roster.

 

 

DENVER 2008 UFAs

LB Wesley Woodyard – Final Roster

T Tyler Polumbus    -- Final Roster/ PS?

P Brett Kern – Final Roster

T Mitch Erickson -  PS ?

Anthony Alridge – IR Cut 2009

 

K Garrett Hartley   CUT 2008

WR  Lorne Sam   CUT 2008  

 

            *          *          *          *          *          *          *          *

 

DENVER BRONCO 2009 UFAs

 

The following excerpted from the Draft Coverage Post by Styg50 - April 27

Some Comments Amended by author.

 

 2009 NFL Draft

Position

Player

School

Comments

 

 

DL 

Everette Pedescleaux

 Northern Iowa

 6'6" 305lbs, transferred to a small program so he could get on the field and play.  I like that he made a name for himself forcing fumbles and blocking kicks.  .

 

 

 

NT 

 Chris Baker

 Hampton

6'2" 326lbs, Totaled 69 tackles (32 solo), 8.5 sacks (60 yds.) and one blocked kick in 11 games (8 starts) in his only season at Hampton in 2008 after transferring from Penn State

 

 

 WR

 Lucas Taylor

 Tennessee

6'0 189lbs, this is a rebound player who has proven he can be coached and get better.  Kick returner 2006-07

 

 

 WR 

Travis Shelton 

 Temple

5'9" 185 lbs, basically a pure return man who set the Temple record for return yardage.  Has an NCAA best 31.30yd KOR average. 

 

 

 

 WR 

David Grimes 

 Notre Dame

5'10" 178lbs, experienced 4 year contributor who played special teams for several years before being promoted to the starting offense where he got consistently better. As a return man averaged 22 and 25 yds in his freshman and sophomore seasons, respectively.

 

 

WR

Nate Swift

Nebraska

6'2" 203lbs, excellent blocker, great hands, runs good routes, and can line up at any WR slot from wide to inside, and be effective.  He led the Cornhuskers with 69 catches for 941 yards and 10 touchdowns to go along with 23 punt returns for 296 yards and a touchdown.

 

 

 FB

Marquez Branson 

Central Arkansas 

6'2" 247lbs, this is our Hillis clone, in case the unthinkable happens.  Good receiver, excellent blocker with plenty of pop, and has experience as a true H-back.  Not as supremely talented as Hillis, but a scrappy guy who will surprise any team that takes or faces him. 

 

 

RB 

  

 Kestahn Moore

 

University of Florida

5'10" 207lbs,    Excellent blocker in the passing game and is a smart kid. 2008 team captain for the National Champion Florida Gators. Served a large role on special teams as the lead blocker on punt and kickoff returns…

 

 

 

 

 LB

 

Lee Robinson 

 

 Alcorn State

6'2" 249lbs, He is a good tackler, reads plays well and is instinctual in following the play to the ball. Like WW, one of his strongest assets is keeping blockers away from his legs and keeping hands out of his frame, which leaves him free to make the tackle at the line of scrimmage.  

 

 

LB

Braxton Kelley

 Kentucky

 

6’, 230 Totaled 287 tackles (175 solo), 6.5 sacks four forced fumbles, one fumble recovery and six pass breakups in 46 career games (42 starts) at Kentucky. Named one of two team captains as a senior in 2008 for UK and earned the school's Most Outstanding Defensive Player Award

 

 

 

LB

Jeff Schweiger

San Jose State

6’5”, 276 Saw time at defensive end in college, playing for San Jose State as a senior after competing for the University of Southern California during his first three collegiate seasons... Totaled 26 tackles (6 solo) and 1.5 sacks (14 yds.) while placing second on the team with two fumble recoveries in nine games (6 starts) as a senior in 2008 at San Jose State 

 

 

DE 

 

Rulon Davis 

 

Cal 

6'5" 281, former marine who transferred to Cal and flashed explosive, athletic playmaking ability.  Emerged as a team leader quickly at Cal, and has a tough, no nonsense attitude. 

 

 

  CB

 Tony Carter

 FSU

5'9" 179lbs, another player who is known for an aggressive, attack the ball style, and who was successful.  Can be bullied a bit, but is a fierce competitor. 

 

 

 CB

 Domonique Johnson

Jackson State 

6'2" 198lbs, athletic and confident, who got stuck with a tweener (S/CB) label.  Had team highs in INTs and pass break ups his senior year.  Some injury concerns. 

 

 

OT

Marcus Gordon

 Kentucky State

6'5" 298lbs,  Louisville transfer to Kentucky State senior Year

OT

 Stanley Bryant

ECU

6'5" 282lbs, small school transfer to ECU and started 8 games, but a knee injury derailed him at the start of his 2008 campaign.

 

 

P/K 

 Britton Colquitt

 Tennessee

 6'3" 205lbs 73 punts placed inside the 20-yard line... Only had one punt blocked for his collegiate career and also handled kickoff duties...

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANALYSIS & THOUGHTS

 

Under a “normal” season (2008), the NFL average of UFA’s making the final roster is TWO, and the practice squad is 3-4.  However, I believe that Coach McDaniels this year will come close to Tripling/Doubling those 2008 average numbers.   With J.J. Arrington being cut (injury) the Kick Return position is wide open.

   I could reasonably see Six UFA players making the final roster:  (ST Special Teams Starter)

 

NT-Chris Baker,

RB Kestahn Moore,       ST

WR Nate Swift              ST

WR Travis Shelton        ST

LB Lee Robinson          ST

DE Rulon Davis            ST

 

Practice Squad:

RB Marquez Branson,

DE Everette Pedescleaux 

CB Tony Carter

CB Domonique Johnson

WR David Grimes

LB Braxton Kelley

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REMINDER when setting your Rosters

Any other team may claim a team's PS player on waivers at any given time during the season -- the only stipulation to this is that the team signing the PS player must immediately add that player to its 53-man roster.

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On waivers?

I thought that the player was only on the wire until he made the practice squad, then they were safely on your practice squad.

by pastordan on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions  

unfortunately no

wikipedia has a rather concise summary of the roster & practice squad

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 29, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

correct

however it is dangerous to take a player off someone else’s practice squad because they are fairly unproven. It is not common practice unless you are desperate for a position!

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by Jon Tollerud on May 29, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

PS player subject to being claimed??

I don’t think that is correct. Unless the rule has changed in the last few years. In 05, the Broncos signed C Chris Meyers (CFA) out of Miami. He was waived and then signed to the Broncos PS. Before long, some other team tried to sign him to their active roster, but the Broncos made him an offer he accepted and he was signed to the Broncos active roster. (Meyers was traded a couplke years later to Houston).

this is from Wikipedia (google NFL practice squad)

Players can be promoted to the active roster either by their current team, or by another team who is scouting them. They retain free agent status and may sign with any team they wish without compensation to the original team.

So, my understanding is that at the time of the final cut down, a player who is cut can be claimed by any other team during the next 24 hours. After 24 hours, he is a free agent and can sign with any team. If he signs to a PS, he can then be signed by any team to their active squad if he agrees to it. He’s a free agent after the 24 hours.

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by bradley on May 30, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry about all the bold. My bad.

Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance

by bradley on May 30, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow

that’s a lot of information. Rec’d just on the research alone.

by SlowWhiteGuy on May 29, 2009 5:30 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Great Read

Very informative. Thanks

by rg2247 on May 29, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent Post

The only thing that I would change is:

Pedescleaux makes the final roster and Moore goes to the PS. That is just a gut feeling though and Pedescleaux being my pick for suprise player from UFA.

BtD

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by xBxTxDx on May 29, 2009 9:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed...

If Pedescleaux goes to PS some other team will pick him up.
I think both he and Baker make the squad.
Great article man!

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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on May 30, 2009 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was a toss up

I agree about Pedescleaux possibly being picked up by another team, however I really like the upside of Moore being experienced as a lead blocker on the return team.

Served a large role on special teams as the lead blocker on punt and kickoff returns…

UPDATE – Current UFA list down to 16 – Jeff Schweiger cut on Friday

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on May 30, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the thoughts and data.

Was helpful to me particularly around the PS. Have wondered about the specifics there.

Good luck to our UFAs!!!

by NedBronco on May 29, 2009 10:38 PM MDT reply actions  

This is a great post broncobh.

The mere fact that if a team picks one of your players off the practice squad they have to immediately place that player on the 53 man roster. Now what would happen if that player became mysteriously injured after being placed on the roster?

by bfree2bronc on May 30, 2009 9:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you all

Great post. Personally, I’m going to wait for camp, to worry about who McD will keep. Then I will ponder things. However, I AM glad that you chose this topic for discussion because I did not want to delve into it. So I thank you for your valuable effort, brocobh

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That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg

by KaptainKirk on May 30, 2009 10:30 AM MDT reply actions  

KK might thoughts exactly

I’m going to wait for training camp as well. I have been surprised by several moves since McDaniels took the helm. Not that they were all bad, they just caught my limited thinking off guard.

by bchiper on May 30, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

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