Horse Tracks 5/5/09
by Douglas A. Lee on May 5, 2009 5:38 AM MDT
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CST - The Sun-Times checks in with their old QB (and our new one), Kyle Orton.
DP - Klis responds to emails; basically the same questions, concerns and complaints we've seen here on MHR about the Broncos' draft. Klis offers some insightful and patient answers, although he perpetuates the misconception that Denver traded two third-rounders for Richard Quinn. They did not; the Broncos traded the two three's for a two and a four. So, they moved down into the fourth round for the right to move up into the second round. Got it?
DP - Totally missed this, but LJones linked to some great YouTube clips of Knowshon Moreno, Robert Ayers and Alphonso Smith last week.
SFG - Plenty of folks are questioning the Raiders' decision to draft S Mike Mitchell in the second round.
SFG - There's some confusion and mystery regarding Oakland's UDFA signings.
NFL - As expected, the Stillers released LB Larry Foote. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care about going to another top-notch organization like Denver; he wants to go home to Detroit.
NFL - QB John Beck signed with the Ravens, reuniting him with the coach who drafted him in Miami, Cam Cameron.
NFL - The Redskins signed former Titans WR Roydell Williams.
Y! - The Cards signed OT Oliver Ross, who missed the last two seasons with injuries.
Y! - The Seahawks signed FB David Kirtman.
Y! - The Jets signed free agent DT Anthony Harris and UDFA TE Jack Simmons.
Y! - The Jags signed UDFAs DT Nader Abdallah and CB Mesphin Forrester.
SI - Michael McCann looks ahead to the Cowboys' looming legal issues after their practice bubble collapsed.
NFL - Bus Cook must be loving this...Pat Kirwan looks at the pros and cons of yet another Brett Favre comeback. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOX - Alex Marvez thinks Favre is coming back, among other stories.
CBS - UPDATE 10:07AM - Here's an excellent column from Gregg Doyel calling out the remaining Brett Favre fans and ripping apart both Favre and Bus Cook. Thanks to jack_ for the link!
ESPN - John Clayton looks at how some rookies fared in their first mini-camps. He mentions Everette Brown positively and notes that Carolina traded a 2010 first-rounder to choose him in the second round. Somehow, the fate of trading future 1's for current 2's does not rest on this trade; it rests solely on the Broncos' deal!
TSN - Dennis Dillon also looks at rookies who looked good at their respective mini-camps, including some props for Alphonso Smith.
ESPN - Clayton responds to some emails, including a poor defense of his panning of Josh McDaniels (although it was a great email...sounds like an MHR member!).
NFP - Wes Bunting looks at the fifth-round selections that stood out in his mind.
NFP - Jack Bechta says now that the draft and UDFA-signings are over, player agents can take it a little easier. Sort of like May for accountants.
NFP - Andrew Brandt looks at Leroy Hill's new contract and how the Seahawks' selection of Aaron Curry and Hill's choice not to sign his franchise tender hurt him financially.
NFP - Matt Bowen wonders if Anquan Boldin is worth the big bucks.
NFL - Vic Carucci lists some rookies who will push veterans out of starting jobs, including Knowshon Moreno.
NFP - Matt Bowen compares the new situations for QBs Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez.
NFL - Bucky Brooks evaluates the NFC South teams' drafts.
CBS - Pete Prisco has Denver sitting at #25 in his power rankings.
FOX - Could Tim Tebow run the Wildcat offense in the NFL?
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Thanks NYC...
Some stuff that stood out:
1/ Kyle Orton is a class act. Isnt it nice to finally have a QB here that speaks professionally about his team and its player and does not turn the conversation back to himself.
2/ Robert Ayers is a BEAST…I compared his highlights vs Tyson Jacksons……I will take Ayers every time. He and Moreno will not only be the stars of this draft, but the best value picks as well.
3/ I am TOTALLY Ok with the ‘The Phonz’. I watched his highlights vs Sean Smith vs Maloclm Jenkins and LOVED what I saw!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 6:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to quibble with you boydy, but...
Aside from the temper tantrum at the end that got him traded, I really do not remember Cutler being as self-absorbed as you are implying. Especially at pressers, I seem to only remember him talking about how well the line blocked or how well the receivers caught the ball etc. After losses, I seem to remember him saying things like “when we turn over the ball that much, we can’t win… we’re a good team, but we still have work to do”… things like that.
by tunga77 on May 5, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries....
Thats cool Tunga. I just find Orton refreshing. He has not yet said his arm is better than Elways…so thats a good start (and that is said tongue in cheek before anyone jumps on me!)
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't go near the bench little boy, momma said,
but it seemed like everytime things didn’t go my way, I would go and sit on the bench and pout. 13-3 Baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on May 5, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
I was ready to pounce…Still love Cutler, but what a stupid thing to say about comparing himself to Elway
by yallas on May 5, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yes... I conveniently
forgot about the Elway comment. ;)
Thought if memory serves me right (and it usually doesn’t), I thought most of us were Kool-Aid defending him as being “confident”. I never really cared one way or the other, and I thought he was kinda lured into it by the questions as well as being a tad bit facetious.
In any case, I still like Cutler. I think he’s a decent team player (aside from yelling at his teammates sometimes) and gave it his all while here. I hope he matures a bit and ends up with a decent career in Chicago…
by tunga77 on May 5, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I think cutler is the athletic equivalent of the introverted genius. He strikes me as being incredibly gifted athletically, socially awkward, and largely misunderstood by others.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 5, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be an apt description...
For me, I still think he just needs some growing up.
by tunga77 on May 6, 2009 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
let it go!
Did Jay steal your milk money or your high school crush!!
by Whidbey Bronco on May 5, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hillarity.
How does Josh Freeman go near the middle of first round and yet Tim Tebow is somehow projected as a mid-round pick and H-back at the next level? I especially love how Dan Lefevour (essentially Tebow Lite) could end up going ahead of him, while system QBs (yeah, that’s right, I said it) out of the Big XII dominate the top of mock drafts all over the place.
"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish
"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
by ejruiz on May 5, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow will be a first round pick as a QB
This H-back stuff is horse manure, since virtually nobody in the NFL uses an H-back. Tebow is working with a new QB coach at Florida, Scott Loeffler, who has more experience with pro-style QBs. Trust me, everybody is getting this wrong.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on May 5, 2009 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wont even be a discussion when Orton throws for over 4000 yards this year and a QB rating over 90!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Other News!
Cutler has a new record for times being sacked and interceped in a season
by diviesti on May 5, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Orton deosn't throw for 4000 yards
I’ll take the QB rating over 90 but I hope the Broncos rush for over 2500 yards and throw for only about 3000 to 3500. That would mean they were winning.
Losers throw – winners run!
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 5, 2009 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am good with that!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, SWG!
Let’s get back to those 500-attempt rushing years!
by Douglas A. Lee on May 5, 2009 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about 3900 and we still rush for 2500...that way we are DOMINATING teams!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I know you, SWG, I know that winners do both!
You’re right, though. To be honest, I’m not at all sure that 2500 as a squad is at all out of reach. It will depend on the ‘I’ word – injuries. If the running back squad either stays healthy (a rarity) or just doesn’t get injured all at once (a lot more common),
If we use more of a primary back approach than McD has in the past, I could see 1200 – 1400 from Moreno, another 4-700 from Hillis and the rest coming from Torain, Buckhalter, Arrington and Jordan. In more of a RBBC approach, you could even make a case that three to four of the group would get about 300 yards (about 1000 total) and that Hillis and Moreno would pretty easily make up the rest. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Moreno get 900 and Hillis 600.
The one place that we might see less running yardage is if we throw consistently to the RBs, interspersing those short throws with a lot of draw runs, as NE did in several games last year. I doubt that we will see one approach – from what I’ve learned of McD, it will vary widely in different games. With our stable of running backs, WRs and our offensive line, I won’t be at all surprised to see us winning the time of possession battle consistently.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 5, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear what you're saying Bear...
but if we get leads early I expect McD to pound the ball on other teams. If we do run for around 2500 yards next year I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 800-1000 of that comes in the 4th quarter of games.
Throw to score – run to win!
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 5, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
Would love Tebow in a Bronco uniform
by yallas on May 5, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thxies nyc!
OF COURSE Favre is coming back. You expected maybe Bus Cook would just ask the Jets to release him without the usual drama?
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
On the pending Favre comeback:
I stumbled across this article last night, and was highly amused. Gregg Doyel just rips Favre and Cook.
"Tree stumps are short, too, but have you ever tried to move one?"
J. A. Adande on Chuck Hayes
by jack_ on May 5, 2009 6:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That’s an awesome column. I’m adding it. Thanks, Jack!
by Douglas A. Lee on May 5, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome!
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on May 5, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Morning nyc, Thanks for Horse Tracks...
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on May 5, 2009 6:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Here’s my first prediction of the year: With their new 3-4 system, the Broncos will finish somewhere inside the top 25 in scoring defense this year.
Way to climb wayyyy out there on that ledge, Mr. Klis! Watch out or people might start callin you a homer!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 6:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol, hopefully
that was sarcasm.
My prediction for the Broncos’ record next year… somewhere between 0 and 16 wins.
by tunga77 on May 5, 2009 7:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in other rumors....
Denver will field a team next year, even after getting lambasted by experts like Pete Prisco!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said yesterday
In 2009, the league will find out that the rumors of our death have been greatly exaggerated.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will even guarantee you that the Broncos will or will not make the playoffs
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on May 5, 2009 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I GUARANTEE you that we will win every game
whenever we score more points than the other team.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
It was sarcasm.
I was hoping the extra yyyyy’s in wayyyy would convey that, but around here you just never know, do ya?
: )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no, i meant sarcasm by Klis
lol =P
by tunga77 on May 5, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh lol
And I think he was serious. : )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know..
…where the Bronco D finished in 08 in scoring?
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on May 5, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broncos were 16th
in points scored. Exactly middle of the pack.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=pts&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008
by underdog on May 5, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh duh. DEFENSE
Sorry, mis-read that.
Defense was 30th out of 32 in points allowed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=pts&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008
by underdog on May 5, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
So Klis is predicting at least a modest improvement in defensive scoring.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on May 5, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's really
going out on a big limb there. ;-)
by underdog on May 5, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
whether he knows it or not ; )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agent Signing
Nice work as always NYC! I heard the Broncos signed a D Lineman from ECU, Khalif Mitchell, anyone hear this and what do you think? Anyone know anything about him?
by milehighinTO on May 5, 2009 7:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did you hear that?
I can’t find it anywhere
by Douglas A. Lee on May 5, 2009 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...I have Mitchell signing with the Niners.....maybe something changed...failed physical maybe? He has had injury problems.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
we got Chris Bker, who was an undrafted D lineman, and we drafted Schleuter, an Olineman from TCU... I don’t think we picked up Mitchell though. We’ll keep our eyes on it.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 5, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalif Mitchell...
Heres his scouting report:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/Khalif-Mitchell.php
He’s a kid with all the potential in the world. 6’5’ 318lbs and projects as a DE in a 3-4.
Under acheiver who has all the tangibles.
Risk/ Reward player, but coming in as a CFA definitely worth a roll of the dice!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Going Out on limb
I am going to go out on a limb and say that the Denver Defense will allow less points this year.
I like to live dangerously.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on May 5, 2009 7:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol K
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Clayton == not-so-good-football analyst
I know that Adam Schein routinely gets panned for being a moron about football, but is there anyone today who gets paid to talk about sports that is worse at his job than John Clayton? The guy just makes stuff up sometimes. How is it ok for Carolina to take an undersized DE by trading away a future 1st rounder to get him in the second, but it’s not ok for Denver to trade a future 1st rounder for an ‘undersized’ CB? Idiot. And that other link from him is just ridiculous.
by BroncosBassist on May 5, 2009 7:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah he really messed up
it wasn’t ok for carolina either!
by Whidbey Bronco on May 5, 2009 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's in the "HoF" too =/
and he looks like the crypt keeper.
;)
by tunga77 on May 5, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of a world do we live in
when Randy Gradishar isn’t a HOFer but John Clayton is!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a really really reeeeaaaaallly messed up one.
but not really just because of this. =/
did u like my quoted “HoF” though? ;)
by tunga77 on May 6, 2009 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
very appropriate yes ^^
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 6, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he look like he has played a day of sport in his life?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 7:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
probably just Madden. Maybe.
I’ll take that as a reply to my post. :)
by BroncosBassist on May 5, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he lettered in High School
For Croquet!!!
by diviesti on May 5, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love It
We need to have the Clayton Charity Croquet Event.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on May 5, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he WAS
a mallet…
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 5, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah BB.....Madden....maybe!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Guess its not true, I just seen it on a members blog on TSN, but thats what I get for reading that I guess…..Sorry guys for the false hope, I apologize :(
by milehighinTO on May 5, 2009 8:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No worries man...its all cool!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what you get for slumming around on other blogs! : )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning Everyone
It looks as though its going to be a wonderful day with all the laughter here.
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on May 5, 2009 8:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great links NYC
You know the MSM has never given Denver a lot of love, but some of this stuff out there is just getting ridiculous. I don’t think Clayton even gets that he is projecting two standards out there for the future 1 for a current 2……I think a saw a great question on here the other day, “do these guys even do their own research anymore.” Don’t get me wrong there are several great journalists out there, but I’m finding the ones who split between TV and the internet to be just full of baloney.
Nice article on Orton, doesn’t seem to be the same attitude as Culter. A little more humble and I like that. Cutler isn’t a bad guy, but he does show his youth on occasion.
Orton comes across as more balanced.
by bchiper on May 5, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Pete Prisco
can kiss my shiny metal ass.
(Oh, sorry, wrong Futurama character)
by underdog on May 5, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Upon the instruments of death, the sunlight brightly gleams."
by Tempestuous Binary on May 5, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he can bite my glorious golden ass
From Universe 1
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on May 5, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
From starter to backup
notice how that Vic Carucci column on rookies who should make an impact on incumbents, is missing a team called the Raiders?
Seriously, it’s hard to believe DHB not starting for Oakland, as much of a reach as he was, because of how bad their WRs are, but maybe he thinks DHB is that bad/ Or forgot they exist.
by underdog on May 5, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Heads up...
Rod Smith interview on Sirius in next 30 minutes!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 5, 2009 10:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope somebody transcribes that!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 5, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NYC.
"Upon the instruments of death, the sunlight brightly gleams."
by Tempestuous Binary on May 5, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry Foote
Does anyone else think this guy would be a good pickup for the Broncos. He would add an immediate, experienced presence right in the middle of the defense. If I remember correctly, he’s also a solid leader on the field, which I personally feel they need, especially during the transition period. Obviously, he’s on the backside of his career, but if the Donks could squeeze a couple seasons out of him, I think they should sign him.
This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!
by pubkeeper on May 5, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wants to go home to Detriot
God only knows why.
But we should defiantly make an offer. Foote and Andra Davis in the middle and DJ on the outside moving around sounds solid to me. Just rotate in pass rushers for the other spot and have them come from everywhere and anywhere DJ isn’t.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on May 5, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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