Tales from the SunnySide: Everette Pedescleaux
Tyson Jackson stunned a lot of people by being the third player taken in the NFL draft. Many said that this was, in part, because of the laws of scarcity – there were few true 5-technique defensive ends in this year’s draft, making the ones that were there more valuable. The 5-technique DE lines up on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackles, giving them a chance to stack the line, stuff the outside run or rush the passer with equal verve. It’s a staple of the modern 3-4 defense, which the Denver Broncos will be switching to from their traditional 4-3 as quickly as circumstances permit.
In such a circumstance, shouldn’t an athletic defensive end who weighs in at over 305 lbs and has substantial skills have been a widely-discussed and greatly-desired player? Everette Pedescleaux, undrafted free agent out of the University of Northern Iowa brought so little attention that Walterfootball.com, CBSsportsline.com, ESPN.com and NFLDraftracker.com barely listed more than his height and weight. What was it that kept the pundits and NFL teams away from his door, but interested the Broncos enough to bring him to camp?
Everette Pedescleaux was born on January 19th, 1985 in Plymouth, Minnesota, the son of Carl and Lynette Pedescleaux. He’s close to them, and considers his mother to be the biggest influence in his life – “She’s always been there for me,” he said. He also as two sisters, Breyana and Dynette. He attended high school prep at Robbinsdale Armstrong High School in Plymouth and was a two-time all-conference and all-state selection in football and a three-time all-conference player in basketball. He set a prep-school record for career points and rebounds, and was named Mr. Basketball of Minnesota in 2004. He enrolled at the University of Minnesota in January of 2005 but transferred to Northern Iowa before the start of the 2005 season.
He redshirted his freshman and sophomore years, so it’s fair to say that he wasn’t as committed to football as most NFL teams would prefer. If you’re going to spend a draft pick and tens of thousands, perhaps millions of dollars on a player, you want to know that he's going to eat, sleep and breathe football for his professional life. Pedescleaux didn’t show that fire right away.
It’s also fair to say that he considered basketball first, since he was a member of Northern Iowa’s basketball team during his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons, but he didn’t get to play in any games. He majored in studio art and communications, an unusual education for a pro football player. He played 51 career games at Northern Iowa with 21 starts, totaling 112 tackles, 11 sacks and 6 blocked kicks in his time there. The blocked kicks give you an idea how athletic this man really is. He ran a sub-5.0 forty yard dash during his spring season, displaying great speed for his position. He still wasn’t invited to the NFL Combine.
It wasn’t until his senior year that Everette ‘got it’ about football. Suddenly, things fell into place for him. He worked hard on his technique, refining and developing his skills. By the end of the season, the UNI defense ranked No. 2 in the Missouri Valley Football Conference and No. 20 in the nation in rush defense (105.3 yards/game). Pedescleaux was a big part of that.
Wes Bunting of the National Football Post was interviewed by Jim Kling of the ‘Maximum Grilled’ Steelers site before the NFL draft, and he had this to say about Pedescleaux:
Well, you know, he’s not rated on many big boards or anything like that, but when you’re going through these national Blesto rankings, you see a small school guy, you first want to see what his attributes are: he’s 6’6”, 305, 310 pounds, so right away that’s a great (size) for a 5-technique defensive end to be. I want to see how athletic he is. Well, he’s running a sub-5.00 forty, that’s what he was timed during the spring season. That’s a great athlete right there.
So you start doing a little research on him. He was a finalist for Minnesota’s Mr. Basketball, so again, a great athlete. And then you start digging up whatever tape you can find, trying to do as much research as you can. And going into the year, he was just up and down, never really found his way, but as a senior, really polished his technique, looked like a football player, and with his extreme athletic talents really jumped out on tape. (He) was third-team All-American, had six and a half sacks, but double teamed consistently, and I mean, he can bull rush, handle the point of attack, and just a really impressive guy. In scouting circles, everyone knows who he is, but the average fan, they have no idea who this guy is because he’s from Northern Iowa. But he’s slowly creeping up draft boards, and if he runs as well as many assume at his Pro Day (Pedescleaux did not receive an invitation to the 2009 NFL Scouting Combine), this guy’s gonna jump up and the media will be all over him. He’s a really big-time prospect.”
Bunting's sentiments didn't translate into an NFL draft pick, but Everette will still get the same chance that all the rookies will have - an opportunity to come in, work hard enough to catch the coaches' eyes and to show them that he can produce at DE or even NT. Two keys for the NT position are the ability to anchor and the ability to handle double teams. Pedescleaux was doing well at both, but the Mountain Valley Football conference isn't the NFL. His long arms and athleticism might be better for the DE position. Either way, this is the chance that most players dream of.
It’s a long journey from Plymouth, Minnesota to the NFL. Maybe Everette will make the next leg of that journey. He has the natural tools – the long arms, big frame that could handle even more weight, the speed and quickness. He has the explosion that you look for from a 3-4 DE and he has handled double teams well. Now he has to see if the skills that he so quickly developed can be honed and polished by defensive line coach Wayne Nunnely and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. He understands what he is facing.
"You know, it doesn't really matter where you go to school," Pedescleaux said. "The way the NFL is, they find you anywhere you play. If you're good enough."
Here’s hoping that he is.
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Damn great post Doc!
I am really excited by E Ped, Rulon and Baker, and I can see them all making the roster. Lots of upside, and if you are going to take D Line projects (which most can be argued from first round to CFA) then a guy with these measurables…and also what Baker and Davis bring……we could be looking at our future right there.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really pleased that
we took these guys early in McDaniels’ career, so they’ll have time to develop. I knew nothing about this guy, but am thrilled to have him in blue and orange.
One thing is for sure: this has been the most fascinating off season I can ever remember, and even if we don’t do well out of the gates this year, it’s going to be extremely entertaining to see how they use these guys and who develops into what role. That alone, for a Bronco fan, should be worth the price of admission.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
A bit more pessimistic
I hope one of the 3 hit the jackpot…….I remember when Wade Phillips took over and there was a slew of DLine prospects…..Darren Drosdov (he of puking on the ball fame) and the rest and it seemed none of those prospects panned out……if they do, our turnaround will be quicker than expected
by yallas on May 6, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the good news is
we didn’t waste draft picks on any of them
by lolcopter on May 6, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dream of a D-Line composed of our 2009 CFAs.
That would be awesome. It’s totally unlikely, but this time of year is about dreaming for me.
Thanks for the write-up. He sure looks like he has potential.
It would be great if ANY of our CFA’s outperformed Jackson or Raji. : D
by NedBronco on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be tricky
given none of these guys have been across from an NFL snap yet, but they clearly have a lot of potential and there’s always the element of surprise. But it’s not hard to see the potential and dream big there.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on May 6, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Name Defense + Orange Crush Defense = A Good Year?
by maritimebronco on May 6, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I very much hope that all three turn out to be stout on the line.
It would be very exciting to have completely rebuilt our defensive line this year, allowing Pedescleaux, Davis and Baker to grow together for the next couple of years, letting veterans fill in the gaps for immediate and short term.
Of course you know what they say about the ‘best laid plans’,. ;) It’s still early in the football season and optimism knows no bounds, I hope that I can see all of these guys in the preseason.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
by solace on May 6, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see this guy too ...
As part of a rotation this year. Great stuff. We dumped so much dead wood in the off season that this year presents a unique opportunity for a number of these guys to come in and compete for a roster spot and playing time.
The downside will be some rookie mistakes. But last year we all saw the upside to rookie enthusiasm and energy when its brought to the field by talented players who love the game and want to play.
I can easily see us with a line of defensive starters that were not here last year and a group of linebackers that is just awsome with some new and some new to their positions. I see a lot of energy on the defensive side of the ball and the ability to swarm to the ball. Traits that have been distinctly absent for far too long.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
by AlanC on May 6, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
BJ Raji probably won't even play NT for GB
On NFL network, they talked about how BJ Raji will probably be switched to a defensive end. I don’t know why. Maybe he just can’t make the transition to the NFL NT position. He played in a 4-3 and didn’t see as much pressure because he played next to Ron Brace. So, I’m glad that we didn’t move up to get him. I like where we are.
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great postS bear
Appreciate all the write-ups you’re putting together here. This is stop #1 every day for me.
With Baker, Davis and Pedescleaux, I think it highly likely that the Broncos will have found at least one diamond-in-the-rough. Here’s hoping it’s more.
This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!
by pubkeeper on May 6, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Broncobear
Hate to nitpick, but it’s the Missouri Valley Conference, not Mountain Valley.
Great aticle BTW, he sounds like a late bloomer in regard to football. So that means he hasn’t taken a beating on his body yet and that is a huge plus. His talent seems good enough to potentially get him on the roster if he works hard enough. I think we’ll see Pedescleaux, Baker and Davis for extended series in the pre-season. With Ayers as the strong side LB, that could be an awsome group. Excited to see what these kids can really do……..
by bchiper on May 6, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good catch - thanks! Fixed it.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our O is going to be stout.
I am very excited about the offense. It’s going to be ridiculous. I watched a DVR’ed chicago bears game from my friend’s house. (clearly I wouldn’t dvr it, i am a broncos fan). Anyways, I was just amazed at some of the things Orton was doing with no receivers or an offensive line. I think he is going to do great things in Denver, where he will have a plethora of receiving options ………… and Moreno out of the backfield……………. and HILLIS!!!!!!!
I just don’t see any reason that we can’t be a top 5 offense. If we can have a top 20 defense, I say we go to the playoffs, no problem. I CAN’T WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO START!!!!!!!!!!
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Abso-friggin-lutely broncointheville !!!
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
by candide on May 6, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the 3 DL we got a CFA
They all have a lot of upside but they where looked over becuase they went to a small school, had some trouble with the police or only played well for one season. These guys could all contribute to the rotation this year and possibly develop into starters.
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Broncobear
This is exactly the kind of stuff I love to read and have come to MHR to find out about. The time, effort, and quality are greatly appreciated by all of us here BB.
by broncosfaninRI on May 6, 2009 12:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Where are the pros?
I just can’t understand how this site can kick the $#@# out of the Denver Post for professionalism and reporting…
It’s giving me real hope for the D-Line reading about the CFA’s we’ve got this year coming in.
It would be great if they can play well for us.
What would give me the most enjoyment though, because it would be so ironic, is if Jarvis Moss somehow came back and became a stud at OLB or DE.
by ddtraveller on May 6, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to MHR, dd
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the tales!
I love the research you do for these.
Also, It’s the Missouri Valley, Not Mountain Valley Conference :) Just being picky because I’m from Iowa.
by studbucket on May 6, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
bchiper got me first ;-)
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for digging up the dirt on these CFA's
it is nice to read about the potential that some of these guys have. Any insight to other possible gems, like Nate Swift or Kestahn Moore? Moore was an interesting pick up, he was a solid role player on Florida but he seems like a minnow in a tank of whales with all of our rb tooling this offseason…
great post rec’d
by JALefor on May 6, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like them all
I have an article on Lee Robinson coming, as well as Rulon Davis. There’s a little none-tales coming out and after that I’m going to try for some offense guys to keep it even (already got Knowshon, though). Thanks for the suggestions – I like to touch on guys that you’re interested in.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 1:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been watching some Robinson videos
man, can that guy move or what? sideline to sideline, he’s pretty quick
by lolcopter on May 6, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep Copter....Robinson has some upside and some nasty!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson is
this years WW. The guy is a stud just like WW
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be sweet to see one
on D Johnson the CFA Corner we signed. I read about him before the draft and everything I saw had him being drafted and we get him as a CFA.
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gnarly
I saw quite a few scouting reports and estimates. They had him going anywhere from the low 2nd to the 6th, Mostly low 3rd and 4th, but not one saw him dropping to CFA
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Bear..........
You realize though our coaching staff couldn’t be this smart to find all these sleepers………don’t you read DP?
What a great season we are going to have….at the very least we will watch the Denver Broncos be reformed into team and most likely we will see the playoffs again!
I think our offense is going to be incredible and I think we will be (at least) competitive finally on defense and special teams.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on May 6, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff, as usual...
Rec’d. This sounds like the kind of guy a good D-LIne coach can do something with.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on May 6, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post B-Bear! There's also a kid from Jackson St (Dominique Johnson) 6'1.5", 205lb CB/Saftey? Compared to Dom Rogers Cromartie?
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
by Hogblog on May 6, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear, did you ever do a 'Tales' on Carlton Powell? I've been looking for more info on him.
by Pmac54 on May 6, 2009 3:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome Doc!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did an article on him last summer
Haven’t found it, though. I’ll be sure to do another before training camp – or at least opening day.so many Tales, so little time…’-)
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was sure I had read one,but, like you, I couldn't find it. All I could find were Guru's 'A few ???' & Styg's piece right after the draft, anyway, if you do find it, please let us know, & I'll do the same. Thanks again! GO BRONCOS!!!
by Pmac54 on May 6, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Tollerud wrote a good article about Carlton in April
Carlton Powell: Denver’s Secret Defensive Weapon
Denver_broncos_tiny by Jon Tollerud on Apr 2, 2009 10:53 AM MDT Comment 28 comments
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on May 6, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
vignettes
First, on the character front — Pedescleaux was convicted of shoplifting, which may have contributed to his leaving UM. I’ve seen posts on another forum that accuse McDaniels of lying because we signed some UDFAs with off-the-field issues. Coincidentally, I pondered the issue of how the team would deal with OTF issues and came to the conclusion that you wouldn’t necessarily ignore athletes with minor infractions but you wouldn’t draft them high. You might only sign them as UDFAs, which is what we did.
I think McDaniels has delivered on his promise, considering how highly the draftees rate on character (and we’ve set a record, so to speak, with this class). I also think ‘Off-the-Field issues’ is a vague to the point of meaningless. What would constitute an OTF issue? Or, better, what wouldn’t constitute an OTF issue? I never considered McDaniels’ promise to be a promise to never give a chance to anyone with a misdemeanor type offense on their record, and we seem to have reached a compromise between emphasizing character and giving athletes who got in trouble a chance.
I’d love to hear from the critics of McDaniels on this issue, but let me be fair and set a minimum standard that applies to both the player and critic. This is the ‘glass houses’ standard, I’ll accept criticism of the McDaniels if you can assure me that you have no misdemeanors or un-prosecuted offenses that would constitute a misdemeanor.
Segueing back — this is an extraordinary group of UDFAs. The problem we have is numbers. Here’s a guess on the lineup (I’m at all certain on who will play where):
DE – Ayers, Peterson, (*Reid)
NT – Fields, Baker
DE – Thomas, Powell
Possibles — Pedescleaux, Rulon Davis, McBean, Clemons, Parker, Askew
I’ve only listed 6 — (Reid will add depth to both LB and the DL) — but 7 is the target number I’m looking at. That hardly leaves much room. One more DE could be added, but I wouldn’t necessarily assume that it will be a rookie.
Thomas will probably see time in the NT rotation, based on a statement by McDaniels, but I’m mostly in the dark so this should be viewed as a tool for planning rather than a prediction.
Powell is a question mark; his ability as a run stopper bodes well for him though.
Versatility is key. A player such as Fields has a leg up simply because he can switch between DE and NT, besides his importance playing the critical NT position. I expect this ability will help Thomas once he masters DE34.
An issue we haven’t talked about much — we have a number of returning DE34 types or DE/DT hybrids. We also made an aborted attempt to switch to the 3-4 last season, which may help the transition this year. I don’t expect we’ll be in the 3-4 all the time (of course) but there’s enough talent to stock a 3-4 at a minimal level — (recent UDFA signings help tremendously here).
Another segue — The issue of Denver’s in-attention to the DL during the draft is poorly understood. One, ‘addressing a need is not meeting a need.’ I’ll continue to say this till people get it. Two, the ‘formal problem of a temporary structure.’ Drafting players you’re going to cut doesn’t accomplish much, except paying them for their troubles. We had the beginnings of a good 3-4 already on our team, and bringing in lesser talents and paying them made no sense. A unconsidered problem (for most) is the acquisition of ‘half-solution’ players that you need to later replace. The draft is less a willy-nilly acquisition of whichever players fall your way than a carefully planned construction.
Moreover, this truly remarkable UDFA class did address the DL in a substantial way. Furthermore, we didn’t just address the DL in the UDFA crop, we also addressed ILB34 and the DBs. We’re saturated with talent presently and couldn’t add more without creating adjustment problems. We’re going to be relying on coaching to assemble these parts into a team from here out. We’ve been shorted so badly in the personnel development area lately (mostly on defense), that the idea of ‘making’ a better team doesn’t occur to people.
Finally, the trade for Alphonso Smith has been a ‘value revealing’ exercise. People expose their inner feelings and beliefs through certain situations. Not many people (apparently) believe that Smith was worth the trade because the pick we traded will be so high after the upcoming (again, apparently) catastrophic season. Although it’s often stated overtly, the primary belief regarding the trade is that our 1st pick next year will be very high. I think part of this because our expectations have been shifted towards realism. However, looking at the roster and knowing how good Nolan is as a coach, I’m inclined to see this as a much better team. I’m I looking through rose colored glasses? Gee, I guess I just didn’t see a Slowik led defense with Webster at MLB as that good. I also see tremendous promise in our offense, particularly the running game. Trading for A Smith seems like a no-brainer to me. I’ve harped on the issue of team-building before but it seems that many people still don’t understand the concept.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Off The Field
I think there is a difference, too, in taking a guy who has made mistakes but is openly saying he wants to prove himself better and fix them and a guy like Harvin who made mistakes and is waltzing into the NFL.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on May 6, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
These guys that we brought in as UDFA had some small issues early in their college career when they were really young and just made a stupid decision. I know when I was 18 I made and knew a lot of people that made dumb decisions. Everyone makes mistakes when they are that age. These guys have all learned from their mistakes, contributed to their newer teams and have not had trouble for junior and senior year at least. I do not think someone who made mistakes at 18 should be consider to have character issues when they are 21,22 or 23. It is not fair. Plus all these guys have said they really want to get in here and prove they belong
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
realism
We’re supposed to jump every time we hear character mentioned because people are embarrassed by the issue. It’s a rhetorical ploy. As Richard Nixon advised — “attack the issue that nobody will defend; defend the issue that nobody will attack.”
My experiences don’t led me to react with embarrassment at the mere mention of these athlete’s past incidents. I treat the subject seriously, and I’m hardly astonished that many people have skeletons in their closet.
However, I’m looking far deeper than most. And I’m also looking at a different level. I won’t minimize the problems a player such as Colquitt has had, but I won’t fall into the trap of thinking that keeping players with minor criminal records off the roster somehow equates to producing a roster with character.
It would take an enormous amount of explaining to do justice to my point, but the character issue isn’t synonymous in my mind with whether one has committed minor infractions or not.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
character as floating concept
the nature of a post that did the explaining you are talking about would have to focus on pinning character down, and not leaving it in the realm of floating abstractions, where it functions as psychological cue word rather than descriptive and informative concept.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 6, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+exponent
We’ve used character as a cue word, and I don’t think I can add anything to your marvelous statement of the problem.
Besides the problem of a vague identifier that changes with each person’s personal concept of term, there’s a tendency to neglect the positive, as if the absence of “character problems” automatically entailed producing a good team.
I take Champ’s description of a team filled with people out for themselves (paraphrased) as a scathing critique of what we were missing. Manichaean thinking tends to flounder at building football teams. What is pronounced in this draft class + UDFAs and FAs is the amount of leaders, as defined by the amount of team captains and players with glowing reputations as team players. Many athletes know how to ‘talk the talk’ but this class has demonstrated their character through their actions. Personally speaking, I’m not looking for public figures who talk a good line, I’m looking for players who demonstrate a commitment to excellence on the field.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, talking about stepping over my grave,whew!
I stole some things (petty) when I young, and kept on doing it unyil I got caught. Boy did I get a butt whipping. I saw the light so to speak, and I believe turned out better for it. Just like Chris Baker getting kick off the team for fighting. It’s sad when a person has that kind of face that everyone seems to pick on, believe me I’ve been there. And I’m the mildest person you would ever want to be with, but, somebody picks on me, it’s Ok, say something about my mom, dad, girlfriend, or buddies and I would try to tear their head off. These players will be just fine in the environment they are in at Mile High, and all I can say about that is…..13-3 Baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on May 7, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or 'floating' in ....
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 3:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
attitude
I come from the T. Barry Brazelton school of thought regarding development. His position is that a parent needs to create clear expectations of the consequences for actions. McDaniels has done that.
The character issue has been misunderstood because it means so many different things to different people. If you said that we won’t take anyone with a misdemeanor on their record then I would disagree with both that rule and premise on which it was based. To use an example — would we pass on a player such as Rod Smith because he purportedly lacked character?
I’ll let people scurry back to do their research.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Further
You establish those expectations and then you stand by them. So what will be interesting is the first time someone screws up or challenges Bronco authority and they put the axe to them.
In a way this has already happened and I think it sent a clear message to everyone on the team.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on May 6, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and further comment
I’d like to take this out of the negative.
Punishing people doesn’t do much except remove a bad influence (perhaps).
Creating good examples is where my thoughts are directed. It’s the positive side of character, where people like Dawkins and C Bailey demonstrate what it means to be a ‘professional’ player. And I don’t mean ‘professional’ in the sense of being paid.
There’s a tendency to think if you’ve kept bad influences off the team you’ve promoted character. I’d like to see them promote certain ideas that equate to good character rather than merely eliminating contaminating influences.
I think of it more in terms of learning from your experiences and working towards goals. There’s even an argument that could be made for players who have overcome mistakes being a positive influence on the team’s character.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
preservation of the good
your desire to prioritize the good goes hand in hand with the nature of justice, which too often is confused with “eye for an eye.” When necessary that bromide holds true, but the number one concern of justice is to preserve the good. That is its essential concern.
Applied to assembling a roster, I file McDaniel’s choices under “production,” that is, they have taken players with spotty records who have a recent history of “producing” in the name of the good within them. They have taken action (not just avoided incarceration) that speaks to acting on good principles.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 6, 2009 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
eye for eye trivia
I’ll save the ethics discussions for a later time.
The code of Hammurabi, which is where “eye for an eye” appears to have come from, decrees that a poor man must be put to death for putting out the eye of a rich man — ironically. On the other hand, a rich man can pay a fine, depending on the social status of his victim.
It’s hard to see the character issue without being reminded of the frequently uneven nature of the actions of the criminal justice system. Shanahan had a soft spot for players from the ‘wrong side of the tracks’ but it was often a blind spot, too. I’m in favor of clear view of the problem. Clarity is often lacking in this subject.
by Colinski on May 6, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a point of interest
A Talmudic scholar of my acquaintance told me that the Christian Old Testament has several mistranslations (I am aware that this is historically accurate). What I was not aware of was his further statement that the proper phrase is ‘an eye over an eye, a hand over a hand.’ His claim, which I simply pass on unchanged, is that the idea of justice dealt with the concept of appropriate karma – should your actions blind a man, you are responsible for acting as his eyes. Should you take his hand, you must provide for him. Without a discussion of more detail, which I am insufficiently trained to provide, I found his concept refreshing.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
more eye for eye
My interpretation of “eye for an eye” was based on similar language in the Code of Hamurabi, which I regarded as too close to be accidental — although it could be. I should qualify my statements in order to make clear that I’m not meeting normal academic standards of proof, but since the ten commandments appear to have originated with the Code of Hamurabi then it wasn’t implausible that “eye for an eye” also originated there, too.
I’m deferential to your Rabbinical scholar, and I’ve heard the idea to which he refers. There’s an element of overlay to the idea, though. On the other hand, I’ve noted eastern influences to many ideas of this place and time and there’s a far greater sophistication than many scholars give them credit for.
A quick look at Wikipedia’s article on the subject reaffirms my original belief.
Various ideas regarding the origins of lex talionis exist, but a common one is that it developed as early civilizations grew and a less well-established system for retribution of wrongs, feuds and vendettas, threatened the social fabric. Despite having been replaced with newer modes of legal theory, lex talionis systems served a critical purpose in the development of social systems — the establishment of a body whose purpose was to enact the retaliation and ensure that this was the only punishment. This body was the state in one of its earliest forms.
The principle is found in Babylonian Law, see Code of Hammurabi. It is surmised that in societies not bound by the rule of law, if a person was hurt, then the injured person (or their relative) would take vengeful retribution on the person who caused the injury. The retribution might be much worse than the crime, perhaps even death. Babylonian law put a limit on such actions, restricting the retribution to be no worse than the crime, as long as victim and offender occupied the same status in society, while punishments were less proportional with disputes between social strata ….
Let me reiterate that I’m not dismissive of your Talmudic scholar’s understanding but different beliefs can refer to the same aphorism, making it less mistranslation and more like a common touchstone. It sounds to me like a Gnostic belief, for some reason. I’m a fan of Elaine Pagels (author of the Gnostic Gospels, etc.) and your friend’s version is far more interesting, IMO.
by Colinski on May 7, 2009 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we have already seen that
from the owner. Clearly no one is above returning his calls.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 6, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sure has a great 5 technique body. Here’s his pro day numbers for you draft addicts like me:
40 yard dash: 4.97; Vertical Jump: 26.5"; Broad Jump: 8’5"; Short Shuttle: 4.85; 3-Cone: 7.75; Bench Press: 22 reps
Here are Tyson Jackson’s numbers:
40 yard dash: 4.95; Vertical Jump: 28.5"; Broad Jump: 8’6"; Short Shuttle: 4.80; 3-Cone: 7.65; Bench Press: 20 reps
by Broncos_FTW on May 6, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are very close
Number and EP is like 10-15 pounds heavier
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EP is an athlete...pure and simple...
Look at ALL our CFA’s…..all athletes first…that is the common denominator amongst all of them.
Now McD, McCoy and Nolan want to see has this athleticsim can translate to roles they can play in the team.
one thing is for sure…with this many athletes our ST unit will be a lot better….you need athletes on special teams!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excatly
If they do not break the roatation they will really help our ST that has been horrilbe lately. They are all great Athletes that probably got overlooked for stupid reasons in the draft. We are very lucky to have guys this talented fall to us as CFA. I can not wait to see what they can do with pads on and in the preseason
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Special - Special Teams
My quick review of the UDFA from the DB.com website lists almost all having some outstanding skills on Special Teams .
Examples
David Grimes- WR Notre Dame: able to get on the field his first two years as a kick returner where he averaged 23.7 yards on 36 returns.
Kestahn Moore- RB Florida : Served a large role on special teams as the lead blocker on punt and kickoff returns…
Everette Pedescleaux DE UNI: … played a major role in keeping UNI in the playoff race when he blocked a field goal as time expired in regulation at Western Kentucky (11/5) … the blocked kick forced overtime,
Travis Shelton: WR Temple- Second-team All-MAC kickoff returner – Shelton leaves Temple as the school’s all-time leader in kick return yards with 2,507, shattering the previous record by almost 1,000 yards. He averaged 31.3 yards per return last season, leading the nation.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on May 6, 2009 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn great find mate!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This only covers the UDFA
I do not have the specifics in front of me but many of our top round draft players have excellent Special Teams assets. IMO any improvement in our ST from the draft picks will be a major upgrade. Jedi impresses me more and more each time I look at his attention to detail in all areas of OUR TEAM.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on May 6, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ditto
I’ve wondered about the STs because I knew they were part of the thinking yet I hadn’t seen analysis of the subject. Other than some comments on Bruton, who isn’t given his proper due as a ST ace, there hasn’t been much written as of date.
I’m absolutely certain that STs will get some actual attention rather than the annual lip service.
by Colinski on May 7, 2009 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW -- Tony Carter
From NCAA active career leader stats:
Punt Returns-Touchdowns 18 Tony Carter, Florida St.
Also:
Interceptions-Touchdowns 5 Tony Carter, Florida St.
by Colinski on May 7, 2009 2:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
clarification
The number indicates where they rank. Carter is 5th in interceptions and 18th in punt returns for TDs. He also appears to be good at blocking kicks.
The #1 career interceptions for TDs leader is named Alphonso Smith, btw.
Interceptions-Touchdowns #1 Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
by Colinski on May 7, 2009 2:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, 'Ski. Great link!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 7, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out NFP
The guys at National Football Post, whom I have a lot of respect for (and their opinions as well), think we got some fantastic talent with this kid.
They rank him #5 out of the 3-4 DEs. Not bad at all for an undrafted player.
FYI, they also show some Chris Baker love. Scroll down: he’s the #4 NT.
Sure, there’s bound to be some dropoff in talent, but still: top five, and both undrafted? Maybe McD wasn’t so stupid not addressing the front seven in the draft after all.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on May 6, 2009 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Also Lee Robinson is 6th
in their 3-4 OLB ranking ahead of some guys that got drafted.
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lee could play
OLB or ILB for us in a 3-4
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder where, if anywhere, they would have put Ayers in the 3-4 rankings.
by Broncos_FTW on May 6, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude....great link man!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on May 6, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Doc. For a tech writer, you have a way with words---poetic comes to mind,
Love reading your stuff…
Rec’d
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on May 6, 2009 4:48 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, brother
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read on
Rotoworld that the broncos are reportedly showing interest in free agent OT Levi Jones. I do not think we need him unless we get him for cheap and move him to guard. He is a back up at Tackle for us at best but could start at guard if Healthy
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 5:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This did come from BW
so who knows how true it is
by gnarlybroncodude on May 6, 2009 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love these posts...
They bring me closer to the action. I like to cheer for guys I know something about. And Bear brings the knowledge to endear these fellas to us.
Love it. Thanks Bear.
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on May 6, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Always a pleasure, my friend
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bus Cook stinks...
…is it just me, or is Jay Cutler’s agent, who is also Brett Favre’s agent, becoming even more dastardly than Drew Rosenhaus?
by V. Money on May 6, 2009 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bus Cook reminds me of.....................
An ambulance chasing Lawyer.
Thats pretty low whether he be an NFL agent or a Lawyer…………It’s pretty low.
About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969
by Denver Diehard on May 6, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear
you deserve a back scratch AND a salmon on this one!
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 6, 2009 10:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm....salmon...Ummm...agent......nosh....growl.........
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 7, 2009 1:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw him play in college
I went to University of Northern Iowa, and attended all the football games. I’ve gotta say, I would be extremely surprised if Pedescleaux becomes a significant factor for the team. By no means am I saying he’s a bad player or won’t make the team. I think if he works hard at it, there will be a spot for him on the roster. I would see him as a possible rotational player down the road at most. Hopefully he proves me wrong, but from what I’ve watched of him is that he has full potential but takes plays off and you can definitely notice when he does. Some plays he will look like a beast that can’t be stopped (i.e. blocked punts, sacks, etc.); however, as an experienced senior playing at home in the playoffs as the favorite to go to the national championship in FCS division, he wore down and created no pass rush towards the end of many games.
Not trying to get people’s hopes up, but just warning you that he has that turn it on/turn it off potential which can be scary sometimes especially in the crunch time when you need him to produce. Best of luck to him though. He had a wonderful career as a UNI Panther!
by DWill27 on May 7, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc, I believe you mentioned
that you weren’t able to find any Chris Baker video, is that correct? I’ve been searching and have found nothing. Love the’Tails’.
by bfree2bronc on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate it!
Whenever I run a ‘Tales’ people cget excited, and they should. It’s great to learn about the players. I make a point of adding the negatives, too, and they’re important.
Equally important – for all the MSM silliness about the DL, we have a logjam of talent there. One can argue the level, which will be exposed next year, but there are a lot of guys fighting for about 7 slots, give or take. It’s going to be tough. I like hearing the less sunny side. It’s real
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't find anything, no, Bfree. Sorry
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi Mr. Bear!
Just because I don’t post alot doesn’t mean I’m not paying attention. I’ve read all of your “tales”. Prater will be a pro bowler several times.in his career. Just thought I would throw that out.
by St. James Bronc on May 8, 2009 12:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
The similarities to Jason Elam’s 1st year are substantial – no reason to doubt the young man!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on May 8, 2009 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
that was incredibly informative and interesting. Nicely done!
"It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." - Grantland Rice
"Grantland Rice can go to hell as far as I'm concerned." - Gene Autry
by OmahaCub on May 9, 2009 4:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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