Don't "RAG ARM" me, man!
by bfree2bronc on May 6, 2009 2:06 PM MDT
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PrintYou hear it said time and time again, this quarter back has a rocket arm, or that quarter back has a weak (rag) arm. Why, if a quarter back isn't able to throw a pass 50 60 or 70 yards down the field he ain't worth the shirt he's wearing on his back. There are plenty of qbs in the nfl who can chuck the ball 50 or 60 yards but may not feel comfortable in doing so, feeling that their accuracy and timing may be more of a detriment than a plus.
The misnomer that 40+ yard completed passes happen in every quarter or even in a half of the game is just not true. 8,634 passes were completed by 32 quarter backs who threw at least 14 passes/game. Out of the 8,634 passes completed 213 of them were 40+ yards. Now I am not good at percentages, but I came to the conclusion that the ratio of completed passes 40+ yards was 2.18%. If my calculation is correct that makes it 1 out of 46 completed passes were 40+ yards. An average quarter back throws between 30-40 passes a game. Now, lets put the thinking caps on for just a moment. On the average of all 32 quarter backs with at least 14 passes/game, and with a 40+ yard/completion ratio 1-46, that makes the average quarter back throwing less than one per game. Mmmh, that seems to be an interesting analysis since so many people believe a quarter back has to throw the "bomb" nearly every play. That's just not so.
Having good velocity and timing is the best attribute a qb can have, not taking in to account of the many other factors i.e. read-offs, snap taking, hand-offs, play book knowledge, play changes at the line of schrimage, pocket presents, and many other valuable intangables he must possess. 40+ yard passes are a minute part of the game, and are used primarily IMO to surprise the defense who has been caught off guard, and dbs caught out of position.
One type of long pass that has nothing to do with religion is called the Hail Mary. A Hail Mary is a form of long bomb, usually using five wide receivers and the quarterback set in shotgun. All five receivers run go routes (sprint to the endzone with little to no change in direction). The quarterback tosses the ball toward the endzone, in hopes of the receiver catching it, though this is highly unlikely since the Hail Mary is usually only run late in the game when the defense is expecting a long pass. Even though the Hail Mary is a form of the long bomb, the long bomb isn't always a Hail Mary.
There are other factors involved with the long pass that may discourage qbs from throwing it on a regular basis:
As stated by William J. Rae, an aerospace engineer. The science of the forward pass is uncovered, as an aerospace engineer demonstrates the three forces that act on the ball and give it a curved flight path.
You see it often in football games. The quarterback throws a long pass down the sideline. The wide receiver catches the ball, but is a step or two out of bounds and the pass is incomplete.
A misjudgment by the quarterback? In part, yes. But another important factor is the tendency of a long pass to curve two or three yards or more near the end of its flight, says aerospace engineer William J. Rae of the State University of New York at Buffalo.
A few quarterbacks seem to be intuitively aware of the ball's tendency to veer off-direction at the end, but most aren't. "I talked to ex-Packer Bart Starr and ex-Cowboy Roger Staubach, and they did not know anything about it," Rae said.
In fact, Rae himself did not know about it until recently. Preliminary studies he did four years ago seemed to indicate that the ball flew straight and true to its target. It was only when he recently performed wind tunnel testing of the ball that he detected the presence of a curvature in its path.
"It is not unlike the curve on a baseball," he said, "but it goes the other way." A long pass by a right-handed quarterback curves to the right.
One thrown by a lefty curves to the left. The curvature arises from a complex interaction of forces that is only now beginning to be understood.
Despite Americans' fascination with the Sunday afternoon sport, there have been virtually no studies of the forces acting on a football.
"There has been lots of work done on baseballs, golf balls and tennis balls, but I don't know of anybody else but Bill" who has studied footballs, said aeronautical engineer Jani Pallis of Cislunar Aerospace Inc. in San Francisco, a company that specializes in aerodynamics for sports.
"It's a difficult ball to study, much more so than round balls, because of the wobble," she said. "It's a difficult problem to make it spin in a manner that resembles how it is thrown."
Jay Cutler completed 7 passes of 40+ yards last year while completing 55 at 20+ yards. He completed 384 out of 616 passes in that time. Pass rating 86
Kyle Orton completed 3 passes of 40+ yards last year while completing 34 at 20+ yards. He completed 272 out of 465 passes in that time. Pass rating 79.6, (6.4 )behind Cutler with a dismal offense.
Drew brees and Aaron Rodgers had the most completed passes of 40+ yards, 16 each, and their respective pass rating was 96.2 and 93.8 These two qbs seem to thrive on the long pass (16).
The bottom line is: a rag arm could be considered a qb has a wobbly (weak) pass anywhere on the field. Kyle Orton or Chris Simms will have a hay day with the arsenal presented to them, no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. 13-3 Baby!!!
I hope you enjoy and intertain us with your thoughts, thanks!!!
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Are you counting 40+ yard passing plays as balls that were thrown that far or simply passing plays that went for 40+ yards?
For example, we all remember a short pass to Royal where he juked the pants off the CB and proceeded to run 80 yards for a TD. Is that one of Cutler’s 40+ yard passing plays. If so, I’d guess that most of the ‘bombs’ are actually thrown to a WR that is 20 yards deep or less and the WR is primarily responsible for making it a 40+ yard passing play. Just speculation though.
As you indicated, I think that people often confuse a weak arm with a lack of accuracy in the deep throw. I think Orton’s arm strength is just fine; however, he sometimes struggles with accuracy on the deeper routes. That could be the result of playing in the NFC Norse too.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on May 6, 2009 2:26 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
haha, I was just about to say that.
You jerk, I had a post just like that, ready to go. hahaha.
Remember Jake the Snake’s bootlegs? He would launch that thing like 40 yards on the button without even setting his feet.
Orton has no noodle arm. The dude can throw the rock. I love that he is smart about it, too. I don’t see a lot of pick sixes coming next year.
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Also...
after watching some of NFLN’s Replays of Bears games, I think that Orton and the Bears frequently relied on short drops and quick passes to compensate for a less than stellar offensive line. It makes it harder to let your WR get downfield when you’re forced to get rid of the ball so quickly.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
I couldn't agree more
That is completely legit. Even with Orlando Pace, now, I don’t see great protection for JC. The rest of the oline is still porous. JC will be on his back quite a bit, get frustrated, throw stupid picks, and pout.
Orton, on the other hand, will have a much better go of things in the mile high city. Our awesome Oline and great receivers will be just what Orton needs to become a stud. He’s gonna have a great year.
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Orlando Pace
Does anyone really think he starts the entire year? I bet he misses a couple of games at least.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
We are not
relying on Pace to be a messiah. We also signed 2 other FA lineman, and we have our no.1 pick from last year starting so our Oline will be much improved.
Exactly
Denver had an amazing Oline last year and all five starters are coming back. I love that they took their great line and made it stronger by getting quality depth through the draft and free agency. Our Oline should be strong for years to come and will allow our front office and coaching staff to go out and get quality players at other positions and not have to worry about the Oline.
It really helps that our best lineman is a second year player, Clady. He is going to be around for a long long time. Left tackles are hard to find. Since we have a young, pro bowl quality starter already, that will really help in future offseasons in getting quality players around him.
by broncointheville on May 7, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Not to be a nebbish, tfrabotta
But since a great deal of the effectiveness of the O line is dependent on the development of communication, what you’re really saying is, “so we hope that our O line will be much improved.” I hope that it is too, but right now, there’s no evidence either way.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
I would agree with except
Williams who will be the new RT pretty much practiced with the team for over half of the year so he already knows the offense. Pace and Omaliye will be brand new and their will be an adjustment but since Pace has been one of the best LT in the league for 10 years I am sure his learing curve will be short once he gets with the guys. I believe being a new guy worked out pretty well for Clady even as rookie last year. Wouldn’t you agree??
Not entirely
By anyone’s estimate, Clady is a very rare talent. He was also coming into a line along which the only ‘newcomer’ was the highly experienced Wiegmann, so the comparison with Chicago isn’t particularly exact.
Pace hasn’t been one of the best LT in the league for the past 10 years. He wasn’t last year, and he wasn’t the year before. He’s a good man, and I like him, but he’s falling to injuries and age. Pace has been badly injured. He played in 14 games, at least part of the time, in 08, but 1 in 07 and only 8 in 06. I hope that he can do well for you, but again – right now, that’s a very big assumption.
Williams hasn’t been a full time starter, agreed? Chris Williams played 9 games for Chicago and started none. Not a good comparison to Clady either.
Frank Omiyale. He played a single game for Atlanta, a game that he didn’t start and then spent a year with Carolina. He only started 1 game for them. He has 1 game of experience in 2 seasons, so a comparison of him to Clady is misleading, to be fair.
You see, that’s where we differ. I’m only talking about the things that are provable facts. Again – I hope that the line plays well for you. But 3/5 of that line hasn’t played regularly over the past 2 years, and 2/5 haven’t had the skill level to start, so, like I said – you can’t say that they will be better than last years. You can just hope.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Why would there be a difference
Between Clady as rookie fitting in quite nicely and Williams fitting in quite nicely after being out with an injury for most of last year? Actually he will have an advantage in that he had a year of tutelage and learned the playbook for all of last year. Both guys were highly sought after tackles and pretty much drafted in the same spot last year. As far as Omilyale I would agree that there will be a learning curve but he will be between 2 of the leagues best lineman for the last decade ( sorry 8 out of 10 yrs..). So I think they will be fine. My point is that if Clady can come in as a rookie and play well there is no reason to believe that Williams cannot do the same for the Bears. And actually I can say that they will definitely be better than last year because their talent level on the line has been greatly upgraded. Our starting LG from last year is now the backup and we signed the browns RT Shaffer for more depth. Out LT last year was a career back up that we let loose, our RT was an aging John Tait who was terrible because he physically couldn’t cut it anymore. Them being gone is a huge upgrade. Forte had over 1700 yards from the line of scrimmage against teams playing 8 man fronts on us week in and week out.
Just to follow that up
I think Clady is and will be a better tackle than Williams but that doesn’t mean that Williams will not be successful just because he is new..
That's true - sort of
The point was, and is, that assuming that new people are an upgrade is a mistake that lots of fans make, but it’s still far from assured. I like Chris Williams. He isn’t as good as Clady, and he’s going to have a chance to prove me wrong, but hasn’t yet.
Pace may be better than Tait, who I agree is pretty poor. On the other hand, he has missed a lot of time in the past 3 seasons, and may or may not be able to keep up. Frank Omiyale hasn’t started, so I can’t say that he will or won’t be an upgrade over anyone, and neither can you, with any confidence. It’s an assumption, and that was the point. You’re trying to essentially forge a new line, and that generally takes time.
There are no similarities to the Broncos line, my friend. That line used seasoned players of high quality, versed in the system, and added an unusually talented LT who played like a Pro Bowler by any standard I’ve heard of.
Like I say, I hope that the line plays well, but, come on, be honest. You’re assuming that new pieces will be better. Hope is good, but it’s still an assumption.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
You keep coming back
and comparing the bronco vs Bear Oline. I am not arguing that, not arguing at all. The bear offensive line is nowhere near as good as the bear Oline. But your Oline can’t get better without improving the talent and that is my whole point. They got rid of two bad tackles and replaced them with 4 new more talented individuals including their number one pick last year. My point is that he has as good a shot at succeding as anyone. Is it a certainty? no nothing is. But they will definitely be better and they have more depth. That alone is an improvement and once they actually gel which no one knows when they will even be better. Not sure how you can argue they won’t be better than last year when they have replaced their 2 weak sisters with better players plus depth.
Let me slip one point in here.
You’re right that was a bad OL last year and with those receivers. And Orton’s passer rating was only 6% below Cutler’s. That says a lot for Orton.
40+ yards was based on stats at nfl.com
I searched for that exact answer and I came to the conclusion it was passes thrown 40+ yards, but am not totally sure. If someone knows where the exact stats are maybe they can give us a little help. Thanks for pointing that out PN.
I think the iWon site
has “Air Yards” stats but I haven’t seen breakdowns on individual passes. My impression is that most QBs throw only a few true long passes a year. Most of them are 20 yards with YAC.
The percentages showed that SWG.
I looked for air yardage like the game channels show but I couldn’t find them.
importance of arm strength
to me has never really been the long ball as much as the ability to get the mother in the receiver’s hands immediately and in a tight squeeze at a distance of 10 to 20 yards. cutler’s fantastic at that even though he needs to be a bit more choosy in his throws.
in any case, bfree, loved the article and the aerospace slant on the whole thing. my dad is a retired aerospaceman. they’re different breeds for sure.
good to know that QBs have problems with their slice as well. :-)
rec’d.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Good point!
I don’t think Orton has any problem at all with a crisp, concise delivery in the 10-20 yard range. In fact, the last NFLN Replay I watched of Orton (Bears v Vikings) the announcers repeatedly lauded the ‘lasers’ that Orton delivered.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
what happened to cookie monster?
…. i guess if he has to be shut down Maxie Miner is a good stand in. :-)
(i hope i spelled miner right. that could come off poorly…)
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Had to show support for dem Nugs in their playoff run! Went to the game last night…simply awesome. The Nugs are starting to scare some people…as they should. :D
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
nuggs looked good on t.v. too...
for those of us not cool enough to actually be there.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Thank you oxmouth, and I believe you are right.
When the majority of pass plays are designed for 0-20 yard range I have no doubt about KO’s arm strength or accuracy.
Not really a question of arm strength
Arm strength isnt really the question of whether a QB can throw the ball downfield 70 yards. Most of us can probably throw a football thirty yards with a little effort.
The question arises whether or not he can throw a ball fifteen yards with accuracy and velocity. QBs with great arm strength can muscle the ball into very tight spaces, and be able to do it without always having great foot placement.
Absolutely draco,
we hear so many people say, he’s got a noodle arm, or he’s got a rag arm, when most of the time they don’t know what they are talking about. That’s why I felt the need to post this, and I didn’t give out everything on the subject so that enteraction here might educate some. Thanks.
I wonder...
Would the curved path be a result of the same forces that pitchers use? A right-handed QB will put a clock-wise spin (from the QB’s point-of-view), which (when combined with the laces on a ball) might pull the ball that direction.
Interesting stuff! Rec’d!
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
Probably not
Since a baseball is a sphere with laces and a football is a spheroid with laces, they would not have similar forces. The lace patterns of each are different, along with the shapes. There are no throws in baseball that mimic the flight pattern of a football. Since the laces of a football are horizontal along the side of the ball, it follows basically a straight line. A baseball’s trajectory can be manipulated since the laces are all around the ball. That’s why you can have a four seam fastball, two seam fastball, curveball, screwball, etc. They aren’t the same.
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
The football is hard to study as the author stated since it is not round but oval.
It was either broncobear or styg who brought up the point in a post yesterday regarding the rotation of the ball. Interesting. Thanks Disco_Stu
plus
it’s more susceptible to weather conditions than the balls used in other sports. Just ask a place kicker or punter.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
I love being the 5th rec'd!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
why?
Do you just go around rec’d all of the posts??? there are still a few out there without a rec’d. lol. You got some work to do, my friend.
by broncointheville on May 6, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
only the good ones!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Here's what I think you may be missing on arm strength
What seperates elite arm strength (Cutler/Farve/Elway, etc..) is not the ability to complete a long pass, it is the ability to fit the ball into a very small window. Joe Montana probably had way more 40 yard passes than Elway, reason being he would dump it off at 10 yards and allow Rice or Taylor to run 30 yards, hence it goes down as a 40 yard bomb. I think the big difference and why you want someone with elite arm strength (if you can get it) is that they can fit the ball into windows that guys with good or average QBs can’t. Now I don’t think that arm strength is the get all be all of QB’s because obviously you want accuracy to go with it and some touch, I can’t remember how many times Elway would hit a RB on a screen or dump off but the guy couldn’t catch the ball because he threw it 100 mph. Montana was good not because of his arm strength but because of his accuracy and other assets. But it is always nice to have a QB that can make throws other guys can’t when you need him to and it is one of those things you can’t coach.
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The bruised chest and all, and good point Broncoman,
and that’s why I threw it out here so the teachers can teach!!! 13-3 Baby!!!
Cutler overthrows the deep ball, Orton underthrows the deep ball
they both need to improve, and they’re both young
Mine was the 6th
But I rec’d it just the same. Broncoman brings up a great point. One of the things that nyc found out for us was that Orton’s red zone numbers are much, much better than Cutlers. Although Jay did score us some TDs by threading a needle at high velocity, the ability of Orton to make all the throws on a shortened field was far better, despite a line that was porous in the red zone.
A wiser coach than the one Orton left would have seen that and created an offense that still emphasized ball control but constantly made use of the short and medium passing game, resembling that shortened field of the red zone. However, in addition to a choaching change that would also require something that Chicago didn’t have – great possession receivers. Enter Josh McDaniel, Mike McCoy, the Continental Divide and the Broncos receiving corp. Hmmm…might be kind of a fun season, really. With all our changes, I don’t expect playoffs – but competitive, week in and week out, would suit me just fine.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
we and a host of others may be amazed at how well the Broncos actually do.
I believe Bates just let Cutler do what ever he felt like doing, and that is not coaching. I am so glad the prior regime is gone. I guess the good lord heard my plea, and answered. Thank broncobear.
Exactly Broncobear
With a coaching staff that knows what to do with one of the best and most powerful offenses in the league; A defensive coaching staff that knows how to get the best out of the players we have; and a ‘never give up attitude’ that is being brought to this team we should be competitive week to week. No more blowouts!!. We may not make the playoffs, but it should be a great season to be a Bronco fan.
I think there is one other advantage to a guy that can heave it....
Go back to that Arizona game where Jay launched the ball and J. Walker took it for 6, that one play in the first quarter set the tone for the day. You can bet that the free safety and two corners weren’t sneaking up and the SS probably stayed back a little more too. You see when you have a QB that has a gun like Jay or Elway they stretch the field, they keep the safeties honest and it can open up the running game, kinda of a pass to set up the run thing.
There is an invisible line on the field at all times that really good DB’s see around the QB, when a QB can really make all the throws those lines stretch from sideline to sideline and depending on how strong his arm is down the field a certain depth. A QB with a Big Gun pushes the line further down the field even if he never uses it cuz these guys watch film. Thus opening up more holes for under routes and the running game.
IMHO
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on May 6, 2009 4:20 PM MDT reply actions
I believe the 40+ pass is a necessity to keep the dbs honest.
I believe we will see that play with Kyle this year, more than once, and thanks lwtg.
Man that was such a sweet play
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on May 6, 2009 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Ya shouldn’t heave the ball downfield all day (as evidenced by the 2nd Raider game of 2008) just because you can. It should be done just enough to show that it CAN be done, and to get the D to respect the long ball and get the heck out of the QB’s face.
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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Orton could throw it 70 yards coming out of high school
and McD said he overthrew Royal on a 50 yard pass during the mini-camp. He can throw the ball far…it is the accuracy and touch that would be in question.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
And the coaches will address that (accuracy) issue. thanks TD4HOF.
I couldn’t remember who the pass (Royal) went to..,lol…
Do we have any video?
That would be great to get a link to some video showing Orton completing 40+ yard passes, the problem is he might be able to do it but to be a threat he has to have the capacity to do it on any given play or the DB’s won’t respect him and his envelope shrinks.
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on May 6, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree...nothing worse than a shrinking envelope!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Does bubble sound better?
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on May 7, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
That was awesome, and again, everytime I see something like this,
the first thing that pops into my mind is McDaniels. The guy is a genious, wow!!! well done ten_fiver I wish I would of found that to add it to the post.13-3 Baby!!!
For sure
“I was made to do this.” Well…you’re in luck buddy! The Broncos were made for QB’s to do this!
13-3 Wooo!
Oh, bfree here’s another one since I love your avatar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Nc9SF2zYE
Well the Fantasy Files are fake...
but that Hillis video is fantastic!!!
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
Bite your tongue!
I’m still going to believe it, but I figured as much. And I love that Hillis video. I’m all for Moreno, but I still wanna see Hillis running often.
You got a link for that?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
A link saying that they are fake?
No, but it is obvious with some of them. The Simms one could be possible, but Chris Cooley catching a ball with one hand punching through a wall? Or Bulger changing down markers by hitting them with a ball including the last one throwing behind his back?
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
the one at 1:05 is better
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on May 6, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Just think what KO will do with...
Marshall, Royal, Scheffler, Moreno, Hillis, Stokely, …..
Can’t wait for the season!
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!
agree'd & rec'd
I believe Orton is going to surprise a lot of people.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
He's already good!
Great to see all the research on QB play and Orton.
Think about it. A rookie QB starts on opening day for the Bears in 2005. The team was 5 and 11 the previous year. The team wins 10 out of the first 14 games. You’re the coach, and you have the veteran Rex Grossman sitting on the bench. Rex has recovered from an injury and has a career record of 3 wins and 5 losses. For his career he has five TDs and seven interceptions. The Bears had already clinched a playoff spot. What would you do as the coach?
Probably everyone knows that Lovie benched Kyle in favor of Rex. Kyle didn’t take another snap until December of 2007. He has won 11 out of 18 games since then. I don’t even know if Grossman is still in the NFL.
I don’t know about you, but if a rookie leads my team to the playoffs after only winning five games in 2004, he’s my guy. Bottomline is that Kyle got screwed, but the Broncos will be the team to reap the benefits. Kyle’s already a very good QB. Mark my words, McDaniels will take him to the level of GREAT!
absolutely agree
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.
I absolutely agree rocko1, and I couldn't understand
Lovie making that move. Thanks our competive brother. 13-3 Baby!!!
bfree, why aren't you drunk right now?
I’ll rec this, but I expect you to be swimming in your shot glass and raving incomprehensibly about 13-3 within the hour….
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
excellent
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on May 7, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
The Broncos WRs might really benefit from a slightly softer delivery. The Broncos had close to the NFL’s highest number of dropped passes and you have to think that part of that is due to the force of the pass. Also, I’ve heard WRs complain about constantly jammed and injured fingers from catching such high velocity passes. Hopefully both of these issues will be a thing of the past with Orton and Simms throwing the passes.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
That's just the thing . . .
I watched 67 clips of Oton’s play, most which were at least three minutes long. On several long passes, he adeptly put some air under the ball, and it fell softly over the outstretched fingertips of the defender into the waiting arms of the receiver. Some of such passes were things of beauty.
I also noticed that he passes short and medium with plenty of velocity. When I read his scouting reports on coming into the pros, I saw that he was known for his velocity and accuracy at these ranges.
I don’t know how Orton got that “rag arm” image, but, trust me, it is not true.
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
I think "Rag Arm" came from
Mark Hermann, the Broncos QB traded to the Colts with Chris Hinton for Elway.
The first time I heard the term was when the local sportswriters made that his informal nickname.
"Remember, it's only a game."
I think our friends over at WCG are experiencing some buyer’s remorse:
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2009/5/7/868649/nightlink-has-jay-cutler-already
I’m sure he’ll do just fine for them.
It is funny to note that while we grow increasingly optimistic at our QB prospects, doubt begins to creep in on the other side.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
One thing was interesting
Other than the kind of repetitive phrasing of circle….s and D bags, there wasn’t a single knowledgeable discussion of the Broncos or the Bears. They kept rephrasing the old saw about the Broncos not having a running game and added the idea that while we had an O line and ‘two young receivers’ (oddly, they didn’t mention TEs and Stokes was ignored), that was of small interest. Scheme, what they would actually do with him in terms of the offense and how they would develop a running game that at least gained as much as Denver’s did were all ignored
I really like MHR.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
agreed!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on May 8, 2009 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions
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