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Wherefore yoga?? Et tu, hoodie??

Howdy cowpokes, this here's yer ol pal BroncosMontana bringing you a yarn you're sure to adore. I sure hope so anyway. They say you shouldn't drink and write, so I'll limit myself to just this one brewski (it's a micro, even, so you know these ramblings will be legit) and ask for your indulgence and forgiveness in advance.  

Now, here then is the sad, woeful, exclusive background story of the tragic, untimely Dove Valley demise of America's greatest most treasured most favoritest national pastime. 

That's right.  Yoga.

Yoga, as you may be aware, was the first thing in the new proposed training regimen that new Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels axed this year.  

Apart from Jay Cutler.  (Pow!  Zing!)

Many thought it amusing (even adorable) when McDaniels first took his place at the podium saying, "Today somebody came into my office and asked me about a yoga instructor helping the players. I never thought I'd be talking about yoga. I don't know anything about yoga.  And, incidentally, I'm picking out blinds for the office windows."

That was how interesting yoga was to the new head man at Dove Valley.  On par with window treatments.  So one would think that would be that.

But, every now and then, he mentioned it again.  Like he couldn't help enjoying it, twisting that daggar in its side.  

"Some of the decisions you make on a daily basis, on non-football issues, have been a little surprising. The color of the paint on your walls. Whether to do yoga. I've never really had the opportunity to decide things like that."

(You know, he was saying, non-football issues...like whether to do yoga.)

Most of the reporters present just chuckled that one off.  Yet, the one or two attentive folks in the room (only one or two -- let's face it, this was the local MSM) picked up on this subtle adjustment in rhetoric and took note. Window blinds were now comparatively exciting -- yoga was now down at the very bottom of the McDaniels to do list.  Next to paint. 

(Presumeably, the type of paint that he'd rather sit and watch drying.)

Maybe it was around this time that he learned that the Cincinatti Bengals had a yoga program.  That couldn't have made a good impression.

Yes, yoga was definitely starting to bother him.  The more he thought about it -- big men on mats in leotards in awkward suggestive poses -- the angrier it made him.  He was incensed.  No one could talk to him for a week.  Not even his wife or Jay Cutler.

Then very late one night, alone in the film room at Dove Valley, he was breaking down game film, analyzing the play of last year's linebackers... shuddering at the play of Jamie Winborn....  wait a second... he remembered something one of the coaches had told him...

Jamie freakin' Winborn did YOGA.

The word escaped faster than Bus Cook's client quarterbacks.

"YOGGGGGAAAAAA!!!" he screamed to no one in particular.  

The only other soul left at that late Dove Valley hour was Horace, the janitor, who dove into a broom closet. Horace was already jumpy -- having been passed over for the head coaching position himself, he now worried his previous year's sanitization duties would not pass muster to McDaniels's eagle-like eye. (The coach had requested the film.)  

And now YOGA (like Winborn) was TOAST.

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Okay, now that I have all THAT out of my system let's talk a little about yoga.  

Yes, Jamie Winborn practices yoga.  Yes, the Bengals practice yoga.  No, they're not alone.  

The Seahawks, they of a recent Superbowl runner-up status, do yoga.  

The Giants, they who beat McDaniels' former and formerly undefeated team, hold yoga classes for an hour and a half every Tuesday and Thursday.  Attendance is mandatory.  (That Tom Coughlin is such a softie.)

And this year's Superbowl champions -- that's right, even those wildassed Steelers do yoga. 

Here's a glimpse of a Steelers yoga session

The players are told to breathe continuously. Looking at their faces, there are times you wonder if they are breathing at all. You can hear bones cracking. But they are focused, they stare with an intensity that is usually only seen on game day as they do their yoga poses.

They are asked to do sit back on their ankles in a pose that looks harmless enough. When one player says, "This is a nightmare," you learn fast it's not as easy as it looks.

Running back Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala struggles some, feeling pain. When asked what's bothering him the ankles or the knees, his answer says it all:  "Everything, cuz." 

Most players who do yoga regularly swear by the rigors and benefits:

It's probably the toughest thing I've ever done in my life as an athlete. A lot of players give out. I remember the first time I went, I fell out.  

-- Seahawks CB Ken Lucas

Some of the stuff is not a lot of effort required, but it's poses your body doesn't want to go into but needs to be to be properly aligned. People think it's stretching and flexibility. There is a lot more to it -- strengthening muscles that you are not used to using and that's what is difficult about it.

-- Steelers TE Matt Cushing

A lot of guys didn't know much about yoga. You always hear about it. It is a workout itself. It's as tiring as lifting weights and running. In the game we play that's a necessity we need. You are stretching muscles you never knew you had. That's good to be able to be flexible like that.  

-- Steelers WR Hines Ward

If I hadn't done yoga, I'd be out of the league by now.

-- Giants WR Amani Toomer, a 13-year NFL veteran 

I fell asleep, and when I came to, I was the only one in here. That's some good stuff there.

-- Bengals LB Khalid Abdullah

Okay, so that last one does have me wondering if the Bengals are doing it correctly.

However, Marvin Lewis is a big believer, as is Carson Palmer.  "The yoga gives us a chance to improve our flexibility and core strength and that's what this is all about," Lewis said. "Ultimately, it's about winning games." 

Exactly.  (I think?)

And YES, Jamie Winborn does yoga.  But LOTS of Broncos have.  CHAMPIONSHIP Broncos.  In fact, according to the Interwebs, John Elway, Shannon Sharpe, Terrell Davis, Rod Smith and (unsurprisingly) Bill Romonowski are all on the client list of some dude named Yoga Danny.  And check out Stinky Schlereth and Trey Wingo gettin' their yoga freak on.

What am I getting at with all this yoga talk, you ask?

Well, I myself have not won Superbowls, but I have done yoga.  The only reason it's not part of my regular workout routine is because I don't actually have a regular workout routine (but if I did it totally would be and I would freakin' ROCK at it and have abs of freakin STEEL dude).  Actually, I have hypertension and yoga has become an occassional stress reducer for me.  But I digress.  

I guess my point is, I have a little bit of first hand experience with it, as may some of our other MHR bretheren, and if you've tried it at all you've probably come away with (a) a newfound respect for yoga instructors and maybe also (b) a ruptured armpit.  

The stuff is SICK, yo.

"So why did McDaniels drop yoga from the program?" the collective MHR family asks ourselves in astonishment.  "Does he really know nothing about yoga?"

I believe he does know what yoga is for.  My friends, gentlemen and ladies, I have a theory about that, and you might want to get up and stand back because I'm about to test the terms and conditions of my Orange Homer card by challenging the hoodie headed honcho himself. 

Don't get me wrong -- I love me some McDaniels coach-em-ups.  I love that he painted his office white, so the players have to squint when they sit across from him.  I love that he dared to draft for talent and value, so the players know they're strongest as a team.  I love that he plays DB in practice to watch how receivers break out of their stride, so the cornerbacks know that he can *literally* replace them at the drop of a hat.  I love that he traded next year's first rounder NOT because he loves The Phonz but because he just wanted to challenge our guys to fight tooth and claw for a better record than the Bears next year (okay, that's just a theory -- don't worry, he loves you Phonz! Aaaaaayyy!)

But wherefore yoga?  It's hard to believe he honestly doesn't know *anything* about yoga.  So what compelled him to do that?  Upon rumination (and another beer just now, yum!), I came up with a pretty good conspiracy angle, in my own humble opinion.  

I think that cutting yoga may just have been part of the attitude adjustment for a team that he realized needed to get nastier and more physical, and less... "new agey"??  We all want a tough team, so on the surface it may not seem like much of a trade off, but consider the demands on Bronco bodies that will come with getting nastier and more physical.  

As usual, hoosierteacher summed up the entire message with a fraction of the word count in a recent post looking back on a dismal 2008:  

One thing I want to really push this offseason - The strength and conditioning program (as well as the training staff) needs to be audited.  I would really like to see a much higher emphasis placed on stretching, flexibility, and other injury prevention methods.  I'm not big on yoga, but it did help our two SB teams, and would certainly help with injury reduction.  Injuries will happen, and many injuries will happen from time to time.  But I'm getting pretty sick of "hammy" and groin injuries.  This rate of torn and pulled muscle injuries is inexcusable.

And while you may or may not care for Hines Ward, he brings it all home quite nicely.

It’s a necessity, I want to do it. It hurts like crap doing it, but in the long run it’s going to help all of us out better, especially with injuries and as the season goes on your body gets fatigued. If you are doing yoga twice a week it will help you out. With the position I play I do a lot of running and stuff with my legs. This helps your legs recover faster and gives you more flexibility. It helps you work muscles, your groin muscles, hamstring and quads. I go home and sit and watch TV and do yoga. A lot of people sit on the couch and watch TV or lay in bed. I am doing some of the yoga poses while watching TV and it helps me come in the next day fresh. You want recovery time.

You see where I'm going with this?  

I, like hoosierteacher, and you, am sick to the freakin' teeth of weird, nagging injuries.  HT was right -- injuries happen but some can be avoided by keeping limber.

You can say all seven of our running backs were having an "off" astrological year last year.  You can say that last season was just one freak of nature after another.  You can even say that the injuries, taken together, infers there was a systemic conditioning problem.  But all I know is, looking back, yoga doesn't seem like it would have been part of the problem.  

I wonder (aloud, you could hear me if you were here) how many guys would have gone down last year had they been doing yoga? And here's an intriguing angle, cuz I know you guys love intriguing angles.  

I actually like Kyle Orton, but consider this.  

Maybe the New England Patriots didn't do yoga.  But maybe if they had ... and Tom Brady's leg had been an iota more flexible on that fateful day... maybe... just maybe...  

.. we'd still have Jay Cutler.  Oooooooooooooo!!!   Now you have chills, right??   Or not.  It's Friday, go with your gut feeling.  

My logic may be bending a little here, but I don't believe it's breaking.  

Okay, now THAT sounded like a Woody Paige ending -- a play on words less clever than overwrought, vague yet smug, and which doesn't really tie back to anything I just said in any meaningful way.  Perfect time to run!

Peace.

 

 

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Should McDaniels have incorporated yoga into his workout plan?
Totally.
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Meh.
50 votes
What's yoga?
16 votes

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Of all the moves McD has made

that has stirred the pot, THIS is the one that bothers me. I know, for many in the fandom, it’s the whole Cutler thing. For others, it was the draft. For still others, the drafting of yet another back. Not me. In McD I trust!

Mostly. This is the one that gets me. Yoga is intense, and requires focus, strength, balance, and flexibility. It is truly an overall wellness practice. So why the hate, McD?

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on May 9, 2009 12:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly Kitten!

And the only explanation I could think of is that he’s sacrificing it on the altar of making the team “tougher”. Sounds to me like he’s bought into the stereotype.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

BTW -Hilllllllarious intro

made me think of Kirk yelling “KHAAAAAAANNN!”

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on May 9, 2009 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

ROFL

great image

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 9, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

I was going for “cheesy Vader” but I like yours better. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

how about a 4th option on the poll

Something along the lines of “If not yoga, then something equivalent”

My guess is that McD has his own flexibility training program that he plans to use, after all, he did change the way the team looks after nutrition. From what I’ve heard and read, he pays attention to all of the small details so I’m pretty confident that he’s taking care of the the areas that yoga addresses. Think about the baseball grounder fielding practice he had his quarterbacks doing — while that’s not a direct correlation to yoga, it illustrates that he’s paying attention.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 9, 2009 12:25 AM MDT reply actions  

and that he thinks outside the box

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 9, 2009 12:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair point BS

I am confident in the guy. I just thought it was funny that he was dissing yoga the way he did. I’m not a yoga fanatic by any means, but it struck me as curious.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

does seem a bit odd. but maybe he thought he was being funny.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 9, 2009 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh he was funny

I laughed when I heard it. But then I thought, you know… we could actually keep some players on the field that way.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted number one

I am a huge fan of Yoga. I really feel that the biggest improvements I have experienced in my skiing have been a result of Yoga teaching me how to control my body through flow (if you have never heard of flow theory, it basically means becoming so in the moment that you’re body is able to react without thinking, sort of), and I was, and am still hopeful that it would have the same affect on a football player.

That being said, I would take any sort of a program to limber the players up. Yoga aint the only way to stretch. As long as we don’t go back to the rookie led dance aerobics concept that Shanny let fly, then I will be happier.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on May 10, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was glued to every word..

and that takes a lot. Well written, very humorous!!! I voted for YOGA cuz my wife does it and I know I can’t…. yet!!! Not only does it add strength and stamina but it adds balance…
I want you to picture in the future, maybe this year, a running back out in midfield and a safety has the angle, he closes and the running backs does a front flip over the tackle and doesn’t miss a step. It’s coming and you heard it here first…. YOGA baby!!!

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on May 9, 2009 12:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks lwtg

Bank it!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was pretty much what I was thinking.

My first thought was that he didn’t want to appear weak since it is his first year of head coaching. I have never taken a yoga class but years ago I read a book by Ram Dass called “Be Here Now” which has a number of yoga maneuvers in it. Since then I have practiced those techniques for about 20 minutes every morning and my body has never felt better, although i’m sure i’m not doing them perfectly right. Oh well, I feel good.

Thanks for the brilliant writeup.

by Kapiti on May 9, 2009 3:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Thank you K

My dad is a big fan of that book. He was just quoting from it to me yesterday. I haven’t read it, but it seems like that’s a level of transcendence that many elite athletes achieve without couching it in the same terms. The ability to be in the moment, stop being tunnel blind about what happens a few plays earlier or later and widen your peripheral vision to what’s actually happening around you. Very Yodaesque. Good stuff.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great post, BM!

I’m with you – I think McD and Co. should have the players doing yoga, no doubt. My wife and I just started taking classes a couple of weeks ago, and it’s amazing – increases all-around flexibility and clears the mind. It is most definitely a workout, as you can push yourself as hard and far as you want. Thanks for the excellent writing – Rec’d!

by Douglas A. Lee on May 9, 2009 6:01 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks NYC!

I’m honored and impressed that you would read this endless diatribe immediately after posting Horse Tracks. You, sir, are a warrior!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta have the Yoga

I started a new workout regime 3 weeks ago that includes one day of yoga. I had never done it and thought it would be a nice 90 minute stretch, sort of a down day in this program. I found out quickly that was not the case. This is a serious workout and I still can’t do most of the stuff correctly. But, it is key to balance and flexibility. I like how they make you twist and bend in painful ways while playing soothing nature sounds in the background and assuring you to breathe and relax. Good times!

by 5280FT on May 9, 2009 6:36 AM MDT reply actions  

LOL That was exactly

my experience too! When I was diagnosed with Level 2 hypertension as a young man, I was looking to yoga as more meditation and relaxation. Boy was I wrong! It does that, but it certainly kicks your ass in the process. (I was shooting a film in the mountains that summer, and the conditioning helped me avoid being the slowest member of the crew! ^^ )

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're doing P90X aren't you?

I’m on my 3rd time through and, yes, yoga is the toughest day. I still cannot hold the Half Moon.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on May 9, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

BTW

I’m totally on board with yoga as a regimen for the Broncos. Besides the obvious flexibility benefits, there’s also strength, balance and believe it or not, cardio. Much like the difference between machines and free-weights, yoga works all of those tiny, little used, support muscles.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on May 9, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine is working toward P90X

Who here does it? How do you guys like it?

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's great

I picked up the DVD’s/book on EBay. Like I said, I’ve just finished phase 1 on my 3rd time through (not continuous). It’s the best way I’ve found to work out at home. I don’t have the time to go to the gym so I do this instead. I’m in better shape at 40 than I was in high school. Like you said, “working toward”, if you have a decent baseline of fitness, it rocks. But I wouldn’t recommend it if you’ve been ridin the sofa for a few years. Get a decent baseline, then go for it. I dig it.

Still can’t do half moon twist, tho.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on May 9, 2009 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm intrigued

will definitely check it out.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am doing p90x

the yoga is tough, but the rest of the routines are fun. It definitely works as a home fitness program.

by 5280FT on May 9, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very funny stuff Montana. Great read and rec'd.

We use yoga for our athletes. Its excellent. It just as beneficial for mind, visualization and helping the mind work in a logical manner.
I can guraentee to you that the Broncos would be using a flexibility program. A lot of our players, and especially college players pre combine go and train in Arizona at API run by Mark Verstegen. Part of his porgram, that a lot of teams use is movement prep that basically concentrates on getting the body and muscles to move in al the different planes of operation. You can check out some of this stuff at www.coreperformance.com. Movememnt prep (and a lot of stretching regimes) are based on yoga positions and exercises, so while McD might be bagging on yoga, they are probably using parts of it anyway.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on May 9, 2009 6:43 AM MDT reply actions  

The mental aspect

Boydy – you bring up something here about the mental aspects of yoga. I think the clarity of mind gained through yoga is awesome. Athletes need to be able to compartmentalize (is that a word?) pain and still be able to focus on the task at hand and perform/ By pain, I mean fatigue and the dings that exist in the course of a contest. I am very interested in your insights into preparing athletes to overcome this and still perform.

by 5280FT on May 9, 2009 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope that's a word

I use it all the time! lol

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right, Boydy

But I would have guessed the same would have been true about Shanahan. He was also a master of details, or at least obsessed with them. Here’s hoping we have good healthy athletes this year who can stay on the field long enough to achieve their dreams, and ours.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

bm some people may feel threated by the religious implications involved with yoga.

Growing up in a christian invironment all my life, yoga, in it’s infant stage in the U.S. was widely thought of as an infiltraion of a religious belief (hinduism) in to the christian churches of America. At the onset it was vehemently rebuked and chastised.

Modern growth of yoga in the West
In the West followers of yoga have taken a less spiritual approach and focusing more on the physical part of it that is stretching and breathing. While Yoga is a religion to many, most practitioners in the west separate yoga from its spiritual goal, seeing yoga strictly as an exercise/fitness regimen, or an overall program of keeping physical and emotional wellbeing. However, some modern arts such as Zen Yoga seek to bridge mind-body connection by blending the philosophies of tai chi and yoga together to create a spiritual practice.[citation needed].

The fact that it is part religion, and part physical, may be the turn off for certain people who have different values. I, for one would never try to force my values upon another. I will tell you how I feel about certain things that I believe in, if asked, but as far as trying to persuade or influence, it won’t happen. McDaniels may have those same values, and to put him down for it is absolutely wrong.

I see your point though about the benefits of the strengthening part of yoga, and if individuals want to practice it on their own, I’m sure they can do it. Great Post bm. 13-3 Baby!!!

by bfree2bronc on May 9, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes and no

There are definitely practices of yoga that are more spiritual, but as your citation mentions, there are many “spiritually-neutral” versions as well. For the past six months, we’ve had an instructor come to our office location twice a week to give a class (not free, but at a very reasonable rate). She has kept the practice very professional due to the corporate location, and you wouldn’t find anything in there that conflicts with Christianity (being a Christian myself). So, really, it’s all about where you want to be with yoga, and what you want to get out of it. If it’s just for strength, conditioning, flexibility, and a little extra time to relax and clear your head, those options are definitely out there.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to be antagonistic Bfree.....

I get waht you are saying, but if you want to take it to the nth degree, then it means we should not be using martial arts or soccer. Soccer , it is believed, was started in China 1000’s of years ago as a way to ward off eveil spirits. After beheadings took place, the people would take the heads and kick them around the ground. Gross but true!
Martial arts, from Tae Kwon Do to Judo (which are both olympic sports) have roots in Budism as well. My wife does Billy Blanks Tae Bo every might….roots from yoga, martial arts and tai chi.
I get we dont want to offend, but I cant agree on this.
I think it might be Jedi’s personality more than anything. I highly doubt Shanny would have brought in either!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on May 9, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your both absolutely right, and I was just throwing that out there,

growing up in the 50’s was a trying time believe me. Anything that could help in the fittness department I’m all for, just so everyone knows where it’s coming from. Thanks boydy and Disco. And broncos montana for the post. rec’d.

by bfree2bronc on May 9, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is a good point

And I could definitely see how some people would be discouraged from trying yoga based upon a perceived notion that all yoga is “spiritual” yoga.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely valid point

I’m here to talk football not religion, but even though i skirted the issue entirely (or tried to), I’m glad that you mentioned this aspect of yoga. It’s definitely part of the history and some practitioners do occasionally take an interest in Hinduism as they get deeper into it.

Personally, as a Wesleyan Methodist, I don’t quite connect the dots that way, but I also don’t feel an interest in Hinduism threatens anyone’s core faith in the slightest. This is just my opinion, but I do understand and accept that there are those who don’t feel that way.

Religion is a fascinating pursuit — within the substructures of faith, or even just a church picnic, there are groups that will simply never agree. It’s a free country full of passionate people who are free to live life as they see it. To me, that’s what’s most important. So if anyone’s offended by the article, my sincerest apologies. I just subscribe to a different system.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

and thanks for the rec!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Normally I try to stay away from this at this site--but I just can't here

Christianity is not a religion—never has been.

Christianity is a personal relationship with The GODS (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) who are ONE in their intent and created this universe.

Christianity is not a religion…it is a relationship.

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by Mike Clark on May 9, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I appreciate your sentiment Mike

I do. Let’s do keep it to football, okay? 13-3 baby!!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok. But you must also agree that conviction, personal thought, and free speech must outway political correctness

if this nation is to survive…
.
and with that said.
.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 9, 2009 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

+ infinity

For everyone.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

eternity for those that have the truth

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 9, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

bfree.....us 2 are as 1 in this subject

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 9, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mike, my convictions can never be swayed,

that’s why I brought the point up, not to persuade people against ‘yoga’, but to bring into the light the origin of it. Some people might not want to participate in the physical part of yoga just on that premise, and the same goes for karate, taekwondo, or any religious based program. I can see McDaniels not wanting to do yoga as a precaution to team division. To me, I have no problem with it one way or another. My convictions are solid, but others may not be that strong. I agree to one point though, there must of been a problem with the conditioning of the team (just as the nutritional part) that Shannahan failed to address. We all witnessed a lot of disfuction going on with the team, and he was ultimately in control of it. He failed miserably, by chance, or on purpose. We have no idea, only the great Shanny knows that question. We witness players kneeling down after the game to pray or give thanks for the game, family, and fans to be safe going home, but, we do not see 106 players doing that. Only a few. 13-3 Baby!!!

by bfree2bronc on May 10, 2009 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again, excellent points.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, guys.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

One of the things I love about this site...

…is you can occasionally go out on a limb and let other members know exactly what you think. The Bronco-bond rarely allows the incident go to fist ‘t ’cuffs but instead allows you a chance to get to know each other and eventually become closer. Out of this exchange I see great comments by bfree and great patience from you b..montana. Its me that krept out of L La for a moment and went extreme. I thank you both for your replies and counters. Now its time to slither back to the land and remain the ’Village Idiot’ that I am.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

no worries Mike

and I love La La land but, even when straying from that little orange village along those sunny orange beaches, you sir are no idiot. ; )

Your passion is what makes you you, and invaluable to us as fans!

13-3 Baby!!! + Rulon’s war cry

BMT

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me worry !! Hmmm I'm back in the land now...No Worries here

.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dwOoIoJYUA

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bloody awesome!

And that first one for 71 yards sure looked like a pass KO can complete. It was all BEAST.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

great response!!

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

By the way

McDaniels’ mom does yoga.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

yw Ned

glad you liked it!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

so

you are saying everyone was clamoring for yoga last year as the magic injury-killing bullet and we were already doing it?

by poorboywilly on May 9, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions  

no idea actually -- maybe someone else here knows for sure

You’re right to question that. I can see how I was probably partly implying that without knowing for sure. I’m sure some of our players were doing it — maybe even some of the guys who ended up injured.

No, I don’t think it’s a magic injury-killing bullet — I think that’s simplistic and giving it way too much credit. Injuries happen, and some, in a violent sport like this one, are simply unavoidable. The point is that yoga is beneficial to a degree, and even when the injury bug hits, is it that hard to imagine that things could potentially be worse if it wasn’t utilized?

The salient point that compelled me to write this is that yoga was suggested to be implemented into the program this year and McDaniels said no. But like boydy and some others have mentioned, he’s probably making up for it in other ways that are much like yoga. Still, when we have a rash of injuries like we had last year, I’d like to know that’s the case as opposed to having something like this discounted.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

The original term 'yoga' meant spiritual practice

Yogas have included karma yoga, the practice of attempting to attempt to avoid producing karma, hatha yoga, which emphasized breath and dozens of others, even including laughter yoga, believe it or not. Simply using postures to stretch and grow stronger will not really qualify as anything other than the most ‘spirituality lite’. However -

The muscle at the base of the lungs in called the diaphragm. Simply breathing with the diaphragm (as opposed to the chest) for 15 to 20 minutes will start a chemical reaction that dumps endorphins into the body. Endorphins are a compound that acts as a natural opiate, relaxing the body, clearing the mind (these are natural, guys – it’s different) and permitting heightened feelings of well being. Adding the benefits of flexibility and core strength via the classic and modern postures is great. I wouldn’t want someone to believe that by using postures they are practicing some spiritual or religious path – that’s not the case. The benefits of proper posture and breathing to an athlete are incalculable, though.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 9, 2009 10:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Fascinating, bear

Had no idea there was a such a clearly defined physiology behind it. Thanks for the details!!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yoga physiology

Exactly right Doc. Those of us who do yoga recognize its benefits and its difficulty. I don’t know of any studies that document injury prevention as a consequence of its use. However it makes sense that core strengthening and stretching would be beneficial. I started doing yoga and tai chi when I developed arthritis to maintain my flexibility and range of motion. Without it I would surely be much more disabled. As as added benefit, I picked up considerable yardage in my golf game. The breathing control is a major aspect of this discipline and highly beneficial to athletes.

by Ponderosa on May 10, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Odd, that

I taught qi gong and such things for years. After the auto accident that disabled me, it became a way of not losing as much function (and at times regaining some). Lot of that going around, Hoss ;-)

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 10, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am going to have to try some yoga....

I see a lot of esteemed praise for it here. I wonder what a good palce to start would be…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on May 9, 2009 11:12 AM MDT reply actions  

xbox 360

LOL we have a fitness program that includes yoga for our xbox 360. :D

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope you come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on May 9, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or work your way up with Wii Fit!

You can laugh while you work out.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually...

…I’m planning on getting Wii Fit at some point in the future for the yoga! Maybe I’ll report when I finally try it out.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you are joking or not,

but I have WII Fit at home, and it is actually pretty good, if you already have a concept of how the pose’s work. They manage to incorporate breathing in too.

But if you have no experience with yoga prior to using the wii fit, you will probably be doing a lot of stuff wrong. Having a well trained yoga instructor is of critical importance when you first venture into the realm of yoga. They will tour the room telling everyone something they can do to improve their pose. The wii doesn’t care if you half ass the whole process.

The poses are pretty fast too.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on May 10, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not joking at all

Already have the Wii. Figured Wii Fit would be a good tracker and tool for doing some yoga at home. Glad to hear it’s okay, and I’m not surprised that you would need to have an idea of what you’re doing to get the most out of it.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 10, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Wii Fit looks great with anything from IKEA!

That was too funny!

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on May 9, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd recommend

starting at a studio of some kind. It may not be the cheapest route, but you can’t beat having an actual person there to make suggestions specifically for you. I can’t recommend any particular “brand” as my only experience has been with an independent instructor who coworkers already knew…but my sister loves CorePower Yoga, if that helps at all.

Regardless, I love it. Workouts get lost in the shuffle for me (too many other hobbies), and I’ve done a little damage to my knees in previous stints with Tae Kwon Do. It’s hard to describe the effects of yoga other than to say that I just feel “well.” Yoga is the kindest, gentlest ass-kicking I’ve ever had. :)

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gentlest ass-kicking

I love the fact that after practicing several beginner’s poses and going through an hour-long routine I found on a yogasite, that I awoke this morning (middle of the night actually) feeling like I just got the crap beat out of me in some back alley.

I stretch everyday, and twice a year I do an intensive cardio/resistance program for 3 months. I figured the practice would be about learning some building blocks in yoga and that I would find a workout later. omg. My old routine was OBVIOUSLY neglecting many muscles, because I am sore in places I have never been sore before…. cripes, I never even knew I had these places!

Know thyself? Well hello me, I hardly knew ye!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on May 10, 2009 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Worse yet

After a class, you’ll THINK you know what part will be sore. Then you’ll wake up, and you’ll be wrong. If you though your legs would be sore, your back is sore. If you thought your abs would be sore, your arms and shoulders are sore.

As a side note, a couple people in my class (the instructor among them) have mentioned that doing some basic weight training in addition to yoga really helps. The two of them compliment each other: weights aid in doing some of the poses, while the yoga helps with the weights.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 10, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's P90X

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on May 10, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Suggestion

There might not be too many studios on POW or even in Ketchikan for that matter. I use a video called Yoga on Demand. It is hatha yoga. broncobear described yoga perfectly above. As many of you know I have been an advocate of the entire team using hatha yoga for some time now.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on May 9, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I couldn't find any studios

in a rudimentary search, and after a litlle of the ol google research I found I gravitated directly to ashtanga, which seems to be self-doable if I can get the breathing and poses down. After watching some videos of people practicing it, I like what i see: flexibility and focused power. I am at 220 now, but I feel best at 205. The problem I have is when I start shedding weight to get to 205, my power was dropping to far. I think the core flexibility I am seeing would help me add leverage at the lighter weight, which should keep my power up where I am used to it being.

This should be fun!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on May 9, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally!

I’ve found that I look forward to it as much as a great workout at the gym or a long distance run. It pays you back for the effort, but the experience is quite different and a nice way to break up mundanity in your routine.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

if you get FIT TV they have 2-4 sessions a day you can follow call NAMASTE Yoga....it is pretty easy to follow and not too hard core!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on May 9, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love that show

Good core set of positions, good warm ups and cool downs.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

A sampling.

Disclaimer: this program may cause some guys to experience a mid-life crisis.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can't belive I forgot this

YogaToday.com

My yoga instructor recommended this site. Free online sessions filmed around Grand Tetons. Can’t really beat that!

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

GREAT LINK!!

Highly rec’d!! Thanks, DS! And thanks for your insightful comments throughout the thread. Always a pleasure!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Call your local workout place

Nowadays, nearly every physical training facility either has a program or knows someone. I have to say, I’ve mostly used a different set of systems but I learned several asanas (postures) years ago and I still like to use them. Very helpful

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 9, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, Thanks for the post brocosmontana.

We need to keep yoga in the consciousness of the team.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on May 9, 2009 1:52 PM MDT reply actions  

thanks for contributing, firstfan

Always love to hear your thoughts!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate to say this after such a great post--but I hope they keep Yoga as far away from Football as it can be kept!!

Yoga Berra was a Baseball Player…….period!!!

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 9, 2009 4:43 PM MDT reply actions  

lmfao

You’re priceless, Mr. C! ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yogi Berra!

Baseball is ninety percent mental and the other half is physical.
Yogi Berra

by bfree2bronc on May 10, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL !! Hey !! Yogi was the very first resident of La La Land....

and maybe even edges out Brooks Robinson as my favorite BB player of all time.

One of the sayings in La La Land is, “We are going to the Super Bowl until we don’t !!”

Where does that saying come from:

“It ain’t over ’till its over”

Yogi Bera

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well.............Here it is again..

We have all heard about La La Land, but here is your official guide to La La Land. A Constitution of sorts. Or perhaps a guide to true happiness.

1. Anything that is not good concerning the Broncos, shall not be discussed.

2. All predictions of the future must be approved by Mike Clark or Zappa.

3. Feelings such as; despair, sadness, anger, frustration, pessimism, or any other negative feeling is forbidden while in La La Land.

4. The Broncos rule all.

5. Raiders, Chargers, and Chiefs have foul odor.

These rules, amendments, guidelines or whatever you want to call them are to be followed diligently at all times while visiting or residing in La La Land. Anyone found to be in violation of these rules shall be deported immediately to the Real World of misery and despair. Repeat offenders will be dealt with by Chuck Norris.

La La Land national motto: 13-3 Baby!

La La Land national mascot: Orange and Blue Kool Aid Man, Oh Yeaahhhh!

La La Land national anthem: Ain’t No Mountain High Enough

I hope you have found this guide to be helpful and informative. May the Broncos be with you.

      Remember that from the draft to the start of season absolutely no negative thoughts are allowed. Everything that happens, no matter what happens, will result in us going at least 13-3 and marching to the Super Bowl.

      We will love our free agent pick-ups.

     We will love and find good in every person we draft.

      We will love Josh McDaniels.

      We WILL make the play-offfs.

       We ARE going to the Super Bowl until we don’t.

      And remember our motto “13-3 Baby!!!”

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2009 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Funnnnnnny stuff and a great point to boot!

by PigskinProphet on May 9, 2009 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

thx PP!

Glad you enjoyed it!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great Post...

I just tried the YogaToday link, and I definitely feel like I can now watch football, work the remote control, and enjoy nachos with the grace of a gazelle. Only kidding. I cannot imagine yoga can hurt the Broncos. Consistent with Boydy2669’s comment, I thought every professional athlete was doing some type of yoga these days.

by phondonkey on May 9, 2009 8:49 PM MDT reply actions  

re: stretching & yoga

I wouldn’t assume that McDaniels is fully aware of the benefits of yoga. He may not have done any. People who haven’t done yoga view it as a passive stretching routine and this misunderstanding may lead to regarding it as redundant to the other stretching exercises that the strength and conditioning coaches have incorporated in the Broncos’ physical regimen.

A few yoga classes will disabuse anyone of the notion that it’s mere stretching. Usually, painfully.

I’d also like to see the Broncos incorporate Pilates and Plyometric exercises into their training, as well as more core training.

Considering that McDaniels was stretching along with the players at the recent mini-camp, his dismissive sounding comments towards yoga may stem from his lack of awareness rather than a belief regarding the importance of flexibility as a part of conditioning in football. I don’t think the S & C coaches are unaware of any fitness related issues, and they may feel that flexibility was not the reason behind last year’s injury bug. Either way, I expect flexibility and range of motion to be emphasized this year, but I don’t know whether or not the team will spend a lot of time in downward dog.

by Colinski on May 9, 2009 9:13 PM MDT reply actions  

A few classes?

I think I had that figured out 1/3 of the way through my first class. And just laying there for the last couple of minutes…I can see where that Bengals player would fall asleep and be the last person in the room.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 9, 2009 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

true

I quit mine after toughing it out for a while. I decided that my then normal daily routine — 18 miles of biking and running plus around an hour and a half of resistance — was easy, so I took the easy route.

I don’t know what it would be like to do yoga and only yoga but I do know it seemed to be wiping me out, unlike all the other exercises. People who do yoga regularly do become used to it, but I never came close. The seemingly static nature of yoga belies how much of a cardio workout it is. And I won’t even talk about flexibility issues, except to say that I’m happy with beginner poses.

by Colinski on May 9, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right

about viewing it passively. One thing I forgot to document in my diatribe was that McDaniels’ mom does yoga. So maybe he’s of the mindset I was for years before I tried it: if moms do it, I’m not sure it’s for me. : )

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 9, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

The problem with Hamstring and Groin injuries is that most NFL teams treat them incorrectly. They try to stretch them out, which, in effect, tears them more. They should be trying to shorten the muscles and let them relax, not trying to injure them more.

We have a great write up on this:
http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=152

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by Cardiologist on May 9, 2009 9:36 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Great link, C!

Highly rec’d!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hilarious!

I can’t believe I just read an entire tome about yoga and football AND enjoyed it. Montana, this yoga deal REALLY got your dang goat. (And rightfully so, I might add, since it cost us Cutler!)

Not sure how you intended it, but I prefer this line to be read with a tone of righteous indignation, kind of Howard Beale-esque: “The only reason it’s not part of my regular workout routine is because I don’t actually have a regular workout routine!”

Priceless. More fanposts like that! Rec’d.

We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore

by oxmouth on May 10, 2009 4:52 AM MDT reply actions  

lmao

Sure, I’m good with that reading. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

This brought back memories....

of the 80’s, and my girlfriend challenging me to keep up with her aerobics routine….something I always said was for wusses…..

Boy did I learn my lesson fast. I learned what crow actually tasted like that day!

Great and entertaining post! I wish I had the discipline to have a yoga routine…..

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

by Broncotodd on May 10, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Boy I know that feeling

In most of the activities we do together, my wife constantly reminds me that women tend to have a more deep seated endurance than men. Men may be physically stronger and faster, but women can sustain much better, in my limited experience. Of course, I may just be generalizing again based on my own sorry ass performance at the rec center. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Excelent post

Maybe we should start a petition to get McD to reconsider his declaration if the team still limps out of the stadiums next year.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on May 10, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

As long as they do some stretching on a consistent basis, I'm good

Doesn’t have to yoga. Just show me we can absorb some battles without losing a starter.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on May 10, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

And that's the point, I think

It doesn’t have to be yoga…just something that maintains flexibility in an attempt to reduce “freak” injuries.

Not that it would have done much for Hillis’ injury. Some injuries will just happen.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on May 10, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

One step beyond

I’ve become worried at times with Tuten and I hope that I’m wrong. In my own training, my practice and in talking with a wide variety of sports specialists, the constant onslaught of hammy and groin tears that the Broncos have endured does tend to suggest that there is a missing element in the Broncos training regime. I suspect that it is related to insufficient development of the opposing muscle groups but I am very aware that there are a variety of other potential factors.

Despite 15 years of heavy training, I only had a groin issue once and it was a simple problem with my regime that I isolated and quickly remedied. I hope that McD is looking at keeping a careful chart on that tendency on the Broncos. I’m not saying that Tuten’s work is the culprit. I am saying that there hasn’t been anything released on whether or not they have looked at this tendency.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on May 10, 2009 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital.

The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital.
Joe Paterno

by bfree2bronc on May 10, 2009 6:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice find

Given that we’re pulling for Chris Baker to excel on our line, a JoePa quote like this one is incredibly appropriate. Nice one, bfree.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

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