The Broncos, MileHighReport and You
A couple days ago I wrote a post, Objectivity Vs. Kool-Aid, and needless to say it generated a ton of conversation. I want to thank all of you for your input and insight, words of encouragement and critiques. The site has grown, in large part, because I take what you all have to say very seriously and want this site to be as much about all of you as it is about me.
What I decided to do was to really look at all the comments and respond to some of the thoughts that seemed to permeate throughout. Hopefully, by addressing all of this here, it will help answer the questions that some of the newer members have as they move forward. Many of you joined MHR during this offseason, with all the upheaval and the shuttering of the Rocky Mountain News. Your only impression of MHR is of how things worked during these crazy times. I figure now that everything is slowing down a bit with 6 weeks to go before Training Camp, that you deserve to find out what the real motivation for MHR is and what I am trying to do.
Buckle up, this is going to be a Looooong post. But please, try and get through it; in the end, it will be well worth it!
First, let me start by posting the rules of MHR, that each and every person who created an account, agreed to.
MileHighReport.com is an independent website dedicated to the Denver Broncos. We welcome fans of the Broncos to come to MHR and join other Broncos fans in talking about the Broncos as well as anything else that interests you. We also welcome the fans of other teams to MileHighReport and welcome good-natured smack talk that can go on between fans of opposing teams.
What we will not tolerate at MHR is any personal attack on any member. Have an opinion, state your case, disagree and debate, but keep it about football. Please keep your comments about the topic at hand. "Hijacking" a post will not be tolerated.
The Fan Shots and Fan Posts are yours! Utilize them to make a point, get involved, or just to meet fellow Broncos fans all over the world. We are a community, and like any community your are a part of we take care of each other.
Lastly, please remember this is just a game. Broncos football is a way of life for most of us but let's not lose sight of what we are here for and that is FUN. Enjoy the site, enjoy the game and most importantly enjoy each other.
* Any FanPost or FanShot with vulgarity in the title will BE DELETED, no questions asked
* Any repeat FanPost will be deleted. FanPosts that are nothing but Links, with text to meet the 75-word requirement will be deleted. If you come across news and want to post the link, USE THE FANSHOT SECTION! That is what it is there for!
* FanPosts that are misleading will be deleted. People come to MHR for their Broncos news and the integrity of the site will not be compromised because you want to be a stand-up comedian.
* Any comments that personally attack any other member will be deleted and the member warned.
* Any post or comment that refers to a player, coach or other prominent figure in a derogatory way(name calling) will be deleted. We are all adults, act like it.
* Openly wishing or hoping that the Broncos fail tells me you are not a Broncos fan. At that point you are a Troll and will be dealt with appropriately.
***IMPORTANT*** These rules are in effect for everyone. Whether you have been with us from the beginning or are a brand new member, there is no favoritism here. There are no cliques. MHR has reached the point it has by being different than message boards, a cut above so to speak. I will not let us become the RMN or DP comment section, or a message board.
I have put these guidelines front and center so you can have a basis for what I am thinking. A couple of thoughts about the guidelines. When you really look at it, it comes down to 2 important things --
1. Be Respectful of Each Other -- That encompasses personal attacks, being open to different ideas and beliefs. It also means that whether the comment comes from me, or someone that created an account 5 minutes ago, we are all treated with the same respect.
2. Act Like an Adult -- This encompasses how you get your point across. None of the contributors have a problem if you disagree with us, and no one will care if you are critical of the Broncos (coaches or players) if you do it in a mature fashion. Creating derogatory terms from someone's last name isn't being respectful and just doesn't add anything to the site.
To be clear -- You can be critical of Josh McDaniels without being disrespectful.
So, as you can see, there is nothing, not one thing, in the Guidelines that discourage being critical of the team, the front office, the coaches or the players. Not one thing. I am repeating it because it seems to be a belief that I think the words FAN, POSITIVE, AGREE WITH ME, NEVER BE CRITICAL OF THE BRONCOS are synonyms for each other. THEY ARE NOT! I want the criticism to be constructive. Put some thought behind it!
Now, let's get to the thoughts that were permeating throughout the Objectivity thread from a couple days ago. I am going to copy some of the comment text, but I AM NOT SINGLING ANYONE OUT!!!
Comment -- I’m a huge Bronco fan and I disagree with several things The Coach has done. Am I not allowed to express this kind of opinion?
Of course you can! Be critical! One suggestion I would give, because this is how I manage people working for me, is to come up with solutions. Don't just bring a bunch of problems to the table. We all know the defense was awful last season. What can be done to fix it? Don't like a certain move a coach makes? What should he have done to do it better.
Constructive Criticism is always a good thing. Try not to just bring problems; try and formulate solutions.
Comment -- If your opinion is "DENVER IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE MCD RAN OUT A PRO BOWL QB", that’s fine, as long as you base your opinion off the fact that denver will, in fact, be a terrible team because either McDaniels doesn’t have the people skills to keep his players united or that denver will be terrible because they have no pro bowl qb.
The comment above was used as an example, and wasn't the belief of the person saying it, but it is the perfect way to explain my next point, and possibly the biggest misconceptions there are about MHR. You do not have to back up every thought or opinion you have with some kind of fact. We are all fanatics and with that comes irrational thoughts at times. Sometimes, you just want to vent and get something off your chest. MHR is the place to do that.
The FanPost section is at your disposal for this. As long as you follow the guidelines above, say what you feel. The most important thing, however, is to avoid taking responses or comments personally. Riding the fence is easy, if you pick a side you will invariably have those who agree with you and those that disagree. Debate, talk about it, but keep it business.
I, for one, like to see if the opinions or ideas I have can be backed up by some kind of data. What I am not, however, is a stats guy. Like many of you, I feel stats can be twisted and turned to fit any argument I want. The only numbers that matter to me, in the end, are the ones located in the W/L columns. Stats are a part of the journey, not the destination.
Comment -- I’ve tried in the past, but there are 2 reasons why I don’t do it.
1. Why spend hours preparing a post that will get completely ignored? None of the La-La crowd will rec it and most people will never see it because it will never hit the front page.
2. I don’t like focusing on proving people wrong. I don’t like expending energy hating on the Broncos. I just want to be able to read some thoughtful, smart analysis that doesn’t ultimately feel like apologist propaganda.
There is no doubt, being critical is much harder than being positive. That's because this is a fan site, and by the nature of fans they are going to try and look at the bright side of things. Sports is a release, a getaway for people. No matter what is happening in each of our lives, we use the Broncos as a way to get away from it all. Not many people chose to go on vacation to a place it rains all the time. The same could be said here.
Now, that doesn't mean it gets ignored. I try to think outside the box. When the Broncos make a move I disagree with, I try and ask myself, "Why? Why would they make that move?" I get differing opinions, then come to my own conclusion. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE everyone to post FanPosts, whether it's those of you in La-La Land or those who are not. Do not get discouraged, and if you feel like you are getting wrongly attacked for your position, email me -- milehighreport@gmail.com
Comment -- La-La Land, the 13-3 army, and their place here.
This really wasn't a comment, but a generalization of MHR that has been floating around for awhile. MileHighReport is not a "supporter" of the La-La Land inhabitants, per se. Meaning, I am not a full-blown member of the 13-3 gang. Do I hope and wish the Broncos go 13-3 in 2009? Hell yes! Do I think they will? No, I do not. That is the beauty of MHR. If I really ruled with an iron fist, I wouldn't let these guys have a voice because they disagree with me. I do, and always will. Just like anyone who thinks the Broncos will go 6-10.
Of course, as a Broncos fan, one is much more fun to talk about, and to dream of, and to look forward to. Be honest, how much fun is it to look forward to a season when everyone talks about the team going 4-12? At 8-8 last year, the Broncos were closer to 4-12 than 13-3. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for both to coexist.
Comment -- Why does "Positive" have to be the default attitude of a fan? Having a "Neutral", or even "Prove it to me" attitude about an unknown coach or player is perfectly acceptable. Especially if I feel they have made some mistakes, I want them to prove to me that they were right.
I’ll be the happiest guy on the planet if I’m wrong, but I’m not going to just blindly believe trading next year’s #1 for a nickel corner was a genius move just because the guy who did it happens to get his paycheck from the Broncos. What would you be thinking if Al Davis had made that move? Be honest. And just saying "it wasn’t unprecedented" doesn’t mean it was a good idea.
This is another great example, and something that has been a hotbed for conversation since the draft. I'll start from the top. I agree 100% with it being OK to have a "Prove-it" attitude. In fact, when it came to Jay Cutler, I was a big-time "Prove It" guy. Win a big game, and I'll give you the keys to Elway's locker. That was my thought then. So, as stated previously, the definition of being a fan is NOT being a drone.
Now, as for the Alphonso Smith pick, involving the trade of next year's 1st-Round selection. This was one of those moments when I asked myself "Why? Why would they do that." The easy answer, and the one given by the MSM, was that Xanders and McDaniels got played, raked over the coals by the Seahawks. Perhaps.
Let's think outside the box for a minute. Do not, for one second, think economics is not a factor. The Broncos had two first-rounders in 2010, one possibly very high. Pat Bowlen has no desire to pay a huge singing bonus, possibly twice. Depending where, high draft picks are impossible to trade, so why take the chance? The Broncos saw a player they felt was a first-round talent and wanted to rid themselves of the expense of a first-round pick in 2010. As much as fans hate to hear financial concerns are a reason for decisions like this, it's a fact.
Is that the reason? Maybe not, but it at least puts some thought behind the Why? instead of widening a divide in the fan base.
Comment -- I would like to see more hard analysis about what the team does instead of the rosy view all the time.
Great point. Trust me, it is simply irony to the fullest that all the contributors are somewhat on board with what has happened this offseason. Speaking only for myself, I can't take a harder line on many of the decisions because I really agree with them.
I felt, at the time, that Shanny's tenure in Denver had gotten old. The team was becoming more about individuals, not about TEAM. Shanny was involved in several things off the field, including a new restaurant. That is his right, and probably didn't affect his performance, but I wanted a guy that lived football 24/7.
I also thought Shanny was a victim of his own success, and the weight of that had become unbearable. He was fighting a hopeless cause, because every year was Super Bowl-or-bust.
I like Josh McDaniels. I liked him before he was hired by the Broncos. My wife is a Bostonian and a Patriots fan and I have watched every Pats game over the last 8 years. I have seen the way this guy does his thing, how he coached Tom Brady and Matt Cassel and how he handled himself, even with Bill Belichick. I am also a Northeast Ohio guy, and can see John Carroll University (where McDaniels played WR) from my office window. I had this respect for McDaniels BEFORE he was hired by the Broncos.
As for the Cutler saga, it was hard to see him go, but as I stated many times, in type and on MHR Radio, he always seemed an awkward fit. That is just how I feel. It was how I felt when he was a Bronco. Did the team become less talented individually? Yes. Will they be a better, more close-knit team now? We'll find out.
These are just some of the 330+ comments in that post. Again, I thank everyone and truly appreciate it. People that attack from afar show their true colors, and everyone who is a part of this site, and commented in hopes of making it a better place, showed the class you all have.
I am hoping to put these issues to bed now, and move on with the task of getting ready for the 2009 season. The Broncos are getting ready, and we need to as well, as a community of Broncos fans. Let's try and become stronger as a fan base and community. It is only a matter of time before the real antagonists invade MHR. In just over 90 days, the Broncos and Bengals kick off the 2009 regular season. Will you be ready?
Oh, yeah - one more thing. I told you reading the whole post would be worth it. MHR Radio returns tomorrow night (Thursday Night) at 7pm EST / 5pm MST) at its new home -- BlogTalkRadio. You can visit the MHR Radio page Here!
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Comments
I bring
nothing to the table except stupid jokes. Hope that’s still cool.
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 10, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Of Course!
A little humor always brings levity to a situation and is always much-needed!
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru...
It takes a lot of time and thought to compose such a considered response. That’s what makes this not only the best Broncos site, but the best football site on the web.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 10, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again, Guru
You have demonstrated the spirit that has made me a firm member of MHR.
Thanks for taking the time to share the vision of MHR (hmmmm . . . sounds a bit like a coach I’ve recently come to admire — share the vision, then challenge the players to rise to it)
Great work & thanks for your guidance.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Guru, WHY?!?!
I mean, it’s a great post. This offseason has been rough on fans (both in the fan-team relationship, and the inter-fan relationship), and a time to step back and really look at where we are is always a good idea.
But…Kitten and I will be travelling tomorrow! Why did MHR Radio have to come back THEN?!?!
All kidding aside, thank you once again for starting the site, Guru…and thank you to everyone else on the site, for making it my primary Broncos source, 365 days a year!
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
by Disco_Stu on Jun 10, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
:)
I’m just happy to be getting back on the airwaves….Is it ppossible to talk for 2-hours straight and NOT take a breath?!?
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
milehighreport@gmail.com
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll find out tomorrow!
I’ve missed the show soooooo bad.
by broncofan91 on Jun 10, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was supposed to travel to Lake Tahoe tomorrow too, but then I got a call for a job interview on Friday, so
my my wife and my visiting dad and his wife from San Diego will be travelling to Tahoe tomorrow and I will join them Friday afternoon….which means…..I’LL BE THERE TOMORROW NIGHT FOR MHR RADIO BABY!!
Sorry, I missed most of the shows this year because of my work schedule…am just excited. ;-) You and kitten have a good time and don’t forget to catch the podcast!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
First off, the post wasn’t that long =D. IMHO I feel people find people they can relate with. Each website has a different style of posters, usually many similar posts. I know I only post on sites where I can relate to the other posts, and similiar opinions. Thats why we have many la la landers here. Not because MHR pushes the 13-3 theme, because we all feel comfortable here and have similar perspectives. It takes alot of energy to always go against the grain, it’s easier to move on to friendlier grounds. I don’t believe this is how it should be, but thats just how it works out.
Enough of that, thanks for all the work and can’t wait for some MHR radio!
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Jun 10, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!!!
I just want everyone to feel welcome, not just the “sunny” people…
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
That’s a big part of why I’m here.
by NedBronco on Jun 10, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOVED the ending
I have been waiting patiently for the return of MHR Radio for what seems like an eternity now, can not wait to have it back!
by Stuman on Jun 10, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru, wrote a long post----got lost in I don't know where.....lol
In a nut shell, Thanks—-2009 is upon us, Bronco Up everyone—-were in the
house that John Built.
Like everyones house, lets keep it clean, repair any defects, welcome everyone
as friends.
Go Broncos
Rec’d
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Jun 10, 2009 9:34 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for making this site a Forum....
A place to exchange ideas, thoughts, analysis.
I am still amazed at the response to your original post of two days ago..by my off the cuff accounting….82 different authors with over 330 comments. You will find that diversity and passion no where else.
Thanks again for re-affirming and casting your vision for MHR…as a new member I look forward tomy first MHR Radio broadcast.
GO BRONCOS!!!
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Jun 10, 2009 9:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be there for MHR Radio.....
but it will be late.
Does the new format allow chat, call-in or both?
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
by mdierk on Jun 10, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
GASP!
giggity giggity! I will BE HOME for MHR Radio! YEEHAW!
I just hope the 7PM EST isn’t the new permanent time or I’ll be screwed…on the west coast. I even switch to the early shift so I get off at 7:15 EST instead of 8:30 EST….damn.
Either way, I’ll be there tomorrow! lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Will there be a podcast if I can't listen live the whole time?
I have a teething 4 month old so it may not be easy
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
by mdierk on Jun 10, 2009 9:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
BTR houses all the old episodes right on the show page so you can listen anytime. You can also subscribe via iTunes or any Feed Reader…
There will be chatting and call-in capabilities!
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
milehighreport@gmail.com
or
Call Me! (303)731-5605
by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet.....
i can be a pest on the phone again
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
by mdierk on Jun 10, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think so...unless Guru forgets to hit the record button again.
He won’t forget though….there’ll be a riot if he does. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said Guru
… and great news about MHR Radio! I’m almost as excited to see where MHR goes in 2009 as where the Broncos go. Almost :)
"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet" -- Mike Cooley
by ButteBronco on Jun 10, 2009 9:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello Everyone!
For those of you who don’t know me, I’ve been around here for a long time. I’m a guy who thought the team would be mediocre last year (very good offense, very bad defense and dubious special teams play) and I believe that our record will be very much the same in 2009. Find someone on here that doesn’t think I’m a “true” fan or would be opposed to my voicing that opinion or others like it. The difference is that I do it at the right time (I let things simmer before posting), in the right place (almost always in my own FanPosts or FanShots) and in the right way (with the utmost respect for potential readers and grounded in solid fact or sound logic). I’ve been guilty of overreacting to doom-and-gloomers and I’ll admit that some of the 13-3’ers posts make me cringe, but I try my best to be a thoughtful member of this great site. And it is great, because at its core are good fans, great writers and even better people. Please, I beg of you all, do your part in making this a better place than you found it. Trust me, you’ll feel better for it than when you prolong arguments and extend divides! Go Broncos!
"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish
"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
by ejruiz on Jun 10, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I back up everthying...
EJ has been around as long as anyone. He has his opinions, but is always fair….Look at his comments and post-history to get a good example of how to do it the right way…
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
milehighreport@gmail.com
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then look at my comment and post history to get a good example of how NOT to do it the right way. heheh
Guys like John and EJ are less emotion-based in their fandom. The real doom and gloomers and the 13-3 crowd are more emotion-based than the rest…I have no problem with what type of fan I am. I ams what I ams. toot toot
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MHR Radio!
Great to have it back!
Will the podcast feed URL still be the same?
by studbucket on Jun 10, 2009 10:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No...
No…
I will get you and updated feed, though I think you can go to the show page and subscribe right from there —
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mhrradio
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
milehighreport@gmail.com
or
Call Me! (303)731-5605
by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru
Looking forward to the podcast.
I find that it it bodes well for my existence to gravitate to people who share a similar thought process. Just like , if you want be happy, hang around people who are happy. They will rub off on you. here at MHR, you will assimilate knowledge and comeraderie by osmosis. It can’t be helped.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 10, 2009 10:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bronco Fan
I have been a Bronco fan since the days of Criag Morton and the Orange Crush. (I do remember a bit of Charlie Johnson). I suffered throught he Super bowl blowouts. I was and always will be a Bronco fan. I like where the Broncos are at and where they appear to be heading. Not being able to clinch the division with a three game lead speaks for itself and things had to change. I just want to thank all the contributors to this site. The amount of thoughtful analysis and comments far outweigh the occasional troll(?). I spend many minutes of my workday checking this site out and after each visit always leave with the impression that I have spent some time with other Bronco fans. Again, thanks for the hard work.
by gpe999 on Jun 10, 2009 11:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was totally disgusted ....
By the comments sections of both newspapaers ( while we had two) after the firing of Shanahan. I have no idea what they used to be like because I never used to look at comments on sports articles before.
Then I found this site and I have been a daily visitor ever since. I don’t look at any other site, unless I check out the Broncos home site later at night.
Everything you just posted is why I come here. Diverse opinon that is based on fact and not emotion. True fans who care about this team and what it does and how it performs. And information and in depth type stuff that is just not available anywhere else.
From my perspective, you have all done a magnificent job and I just hope that you keep it up. As for critcism, there is no finer tool for refining one’s beliefs and knowledge than having to discuss it and explain it. If I can’t articulate my position effectively, perhaps I need to change that position. If someone else makes a good argument that I have not thought of and that I cannot dispute, I at least need to look into it deeper and find out what are the facts and how does that affect what I think/believe.
Criticism is good. Insults and school yard taunts are not. Love the site. Thanks.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
by AlanC on Jun 10, 2009 11:05 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
Can’t wait for the Podcast. And I can’t wait until camp starts as I think a lot of surprising stuff is going to happen. I love reading all the ideas, comments, discussion here at MHR, gives my brain something to do. Thanks for putting the site together TSG.
Go Broncos!
by bchiper on Jun 10, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear MHR Radio is back,
I have not yet read all the comments from yesterdays post and have not been around posting on this site for the past few months. This is by far the best Bronco fan site on the web. I live in southern california so this site let me get up to date Bronco news and I get to discuss it with other Bronco fans. This site is a release for me because it is hard to have an intelligent converstion with all the raider and charger fans out here in cali. This is the first place I go in the mornings on most days. Thanks GURU for making this an the BEST BRONCO SITE out there. Very happy to see Guru back in the fold, the site just didn’t have the same feel when you were being distant. Can not wait for the season to start.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 10, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing though
wish the podcast started a little later. I don’t get off until 5pm pacific so i will miss half of it which sucks
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 10, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Risk vs Reward
I wrote this, “I’m a huge Bronco fan and I disagree with several things The Coach has done. Am I not allowed to express this kind of opinion?”
To answer your subsequent question John Bena. Here is my take with solutions.
1. I hate the risk/reward profile of the Alphonso Smith trade
2. I hate the idea of trading Cutler for Cassel
3. I hate the Simms signing (he’s left handed and I love Clady as blindside tackle).
4. I dislike the Quinn trade
5. I dislike the dearth of front seven players selected in the 2009 draft (esp not picking a OLB with TE coverage ability).
1. I would not have made this trade and Denver would still have two picks in the 1st round of the next draft. If money is tight for Bowlen, Denver can trade the future picks in the future and likely get much better value than a 2nd rounder in the weak 2009 NFL draft. I’d have had Jack Williams and Josh Bell vie for nickel CB this season. I don’t believe the difference between a good and average nickel is going to ruin Denver’s Super Bowl chances in 2009. If Seattle is using Denver’s pick in the Top 10 of the 2010 draft, Bowlen will look like a fool and The Coach will be on the hot seat.
2. This was just an insane. Cassel is a half season wonder that is somewhat likely to blow in KC. And of course KC traded a measly 2nd round pick for Cassel AND a four time Pro Bowl LB on the back side of his career. On the other hand, Cutler was traded for TWO 1st round picks a 3rd rounder and I’ll assume Orton is worth at least a 3rd rounder if Sage Rosenfelds is worth a 4th. Factor in contract demands of Cassel vs Cutler’s remaining 3 year deal and the concept of Cassel for Cutler is about the stupidest idea that was ever honestly entertained.
3. Clady is widely regarded as the best young LT in the NFL due to his pass blocking excellence. Why turn a roster strength into a question mark by playing a left-handed QB. Ryan Harris was fantastic at RT as well. Don’t Fu** with a good thing Coach, play a right handed QB. I’d have signed JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Grossman or any of the several other underperforming young QBs rather than taken a flyer on Simms. Off record, I bet The Coach would admit he regrets that he signed Simms.
4. The Coach wanted Quinn so he made the trade. We’ll see how it works out. I don’t think The Coach is a great judge of player value based on my #1 and #2 points so I don’t trust his instincts. Not even a little bit. I would have stayed with the two picks in round 3 and taken a D-linemen and an best coverage LB available.
To be fair to The Coach. I really like the coaching staff he put together. I like most of his UFA acquisitions and understand why he went after CBs and Safeties since the talent pool for such players was much deeper than UFA D-linemen and LBs. He also added a solid group of undrafted rookie FAs that will push for roster spots. I’m not going to miss Niko, Webster, Robertson, Manuel, McCree, Paymuh, Winborn or Engelburger. IMO, getting rid of each of those clowns was slam dunk roster move, but at least The Coach made these gimmes.
I don’t think he is all bad, but he has made several decisions that make me think he could (& more likely than not) fall flat on his face as a head coach. Of course I don’t want him to fail. I want Denver to win the next 50 Super Bowls. But what happens with the Broncos over the next few years has nothing to do with my wants and desires. If The Coach does bomb as our coach, it will severely tarnish Bowlen’s rep and it will set back a franchise that looked to be heading in the right direction due to the amazing drafts of 2006 and 2008.
by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2009 12:13 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
That is what I am talking about!!!
If you made that into a Fan-Post, you would garner alot of conversation and debate. The Simms argument, for one, is an intriguing on since Clady is probably a Top-2 or 3 LT in the AFC, of not the NFL! As good as Ryan Harris was last year, Shanny initially drafted him to play LT, his position in college. The back injury changed all that, and I think Harris would hold up well as the blind-side defender, but Clady is a stud…
Thanks for the depth, George!!
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see where you are coming from
but I really do not agree with the statement. “If The Coach does bomb as our coach, it will severely tarnish Bowlen’s rep” Bowlen is one of the most respect owners in the NFL and has helped build the NFL to what it is today. If McDaniels does not work out it will not tarnish Bowlens rep what so ever. Good coacheds do not grow on trees. Hiring a head coach always has a lot of risk. How many coaches available this year would have been better then McDaniels? Also if you think someone would have been better, back it up with reason. I personally am on the wait and see approach and like to do research about coaches and players before I post. Without research you cannot fully understand a coaches or players TRUE VALUE.
1. A lot of people do not like the A Smith move. I personally like the move and love him as a player. He was by far the best corner production wise in this draft. If he was a couple inches taller he would have gone in the top 10. You can not argue how productive this kid was in college. He has a knack for always being around the ball and is a very good tackler. He does not shy away from contact. I am not really concerenced with the picks they traded because I believe we will be at least an 8-8 team so we will pick out of the top 10, most likely. I understand you are questioning what they gave up the the player the picked is a very good talent.
2. Agree with everything you said on this point.
3. I agree with this as well. Clady is our best O-linemand and probably the best LT in the game. However Harris is not far behind. Remember Harris was drafted by shanny to play LT so he has the tools and is talented enough to protect the blindside. Go back and watch the game against Atlanta last year. J Abraham could not get past Clady at all so the Falcons put him on the other side to go against Harris. Harris completely shut him down that game also and Abraham was one of the best pass rushers in the NFL last year. Harris might not be on Cladys level but he is really close. We easily have the best LT/RT combo in the league.
4. You cannot really gauge McDaniels on his moves yet because he has yet to coach a game. Do some research on Quinn and he was projected to go late 2nd round or early 3rd round so he was well worth the last pick in round 2. Also this was a weak draft for D linemen and cover LB so staying with the two round 3 picks and picking that way would have went against the BPA goal. Quinn is a very good blocker just like Daniel Graham and his hands are very underrated. I went back and watched his combine tape. He caught almost everyball and has very good hands. They just did not use him in a pass catching role at NC so he never got to show off what he could do. Now he is not going to streak down the field like Scheff but he is a more complete TE the Scheff. It will aslo benefit Quinn to learn from Graham because their are a lot alike.
5. I also love the coaching staff that was put together and like he UFA we brought in.
Personally I questioned the McDaniels move when it happened. I wanted a defensive minded coach like a lot of people however by doing research on him he has grown on me. Also seeing how the players are all buying into his system and are all very positive gives me more confidence in him. He still has a lot to prove but he is moving in the right direction.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 10, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bowlens rep
We got over Phillips and found Shanny and I think it helped Bowlen’s rep, he recognized a problem and found the solution resulting in 2 superbowls.
The only thing i think that would hurt his rep is if The Coach fails bad and Bowlen procrastinates making a switch. Personally if he goes 0-8 he should be gone before the year’s over. But other than that (which i think is almost an impossible scenario in the AFC west) I think anything less than 2 years would be a bit premature and 4 years would be too long.
Hopefully Bowlen picked the right guy and the new coaching methods will work to our favor and we’ll have another ring within 3 years.
by trumanj on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that a coach needs two full seasons...after which time if things have gotten worse then he should be shown the door.
If we start 0-8 I will hang myself.
lol, there is zero chance we start 0-8. zero. If there was even a .1% chance, I wouldn’t have made that promise.
Zero chance. Zero. Yes…Zero.
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by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
I mean i think its impossible we could even start 0-3 atleast not with cincy, cle and oak.
Honestly I’ll be surprised if we don’t start 3-0
which is why i think if we start 0-8 he should be canned.
by trumanj on Jun 10, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
some comments on attitudes
I’ll be loose in my presentation. And I’m using the numbers you’ve used, gnarlybroncodude.
re: #1 – I, too, love Smith, but it’s revealing to see why people don’t like this trade, since their stated reasons often conflict with their purportedly rational reasons for disliking his selection/&trade.
The ‘Magic Inch" is often cited, sometimes indirectly, as the reason for disliking the Smith pick. I like ’taller’ CBs, too, but there’s something dogmatic about saying it’s OK to draft a 5’10 CB but not OK to draft a 5’9 CB. It’s not that there aren’t valid reasons for positional ranges, but what Magic Inch attitudes reveal is a cognitive ‘hard line’ that the thinker doesn’t want to cross. It’s not an incremental line, as in ‘shorter’ CBs are incrementally less desirable, but a hard line that’s being clung to in a somewhat irrational manner.
The focus on our pick versus Chicago’s, especially when a possible top ten pick is cited, reveals that a lot of people think we’re ‘going down the tubes’ this year. A default value for these picks would be a #12 V. a #18, which is small although not insubstantial. However, few people have said I’d love Smith at #18 next year. There’s a bit of hording/stockpiling mentality here. The idea is that you always wait because the team will get worse, thus making ‘your’ picks worth even more.
re: #2. The framing of this issue is extraordinarily revealing. Somehow it’s become OK to blame McDaniels for a trade discussion on a trade that wasn’t made. Moreover, it’s become OK to go on long rants about the discussions over a trade that wasn’t made, as if it were. The odd thing is that nobody wants to give McDaniels credit for not making that trade, even though that’s what he actually did.
I admit that I belong to the listen to any trade offer crowd. Talk is cheap, but it’s necessary.
There’s ample evidence that Cutler ‘busted out’ of his contract, and he clearly indicated no willingness to work with the new coaching staff. I don’t thinking busting out of your contract and smearing the coaching staff is acceptable, for moral reasons. I don’t have any feelings regarding Cuter otherwise since it’s common to want to play elsewhere. It’s interesting that some people have given Cutler and Cook a free pass for their actions and decided to blame McDaniels for Cutler’s wanting to leave.
re: #3. Handedness doesn’t appear to mean much for QBs. It’s a minor issue, and misunderstood. I think Simms was a shrewd pick up. It shows me that that McX are very good personnel people.
re: #4. We, Styg50 and I, discussed Quinn before the draft. His pick wasn’t surprising, at least not for us (although we guessed he’d go later), but some people didn’t know about him because he was a sleeper. He went well within the range where he was projected. One fact about him — he played on an offense which produced a 1st, 3rd and 5th round WR in the draft. His production had a lot to do with that. And the complaints about him — if applied consistently — would rule out picking Pettigrew, who went in the 1st. BTW — Houston picked Hill in the 4th, a very good indication that they would have snatched Quinn from us in the 3rd.
re: #5. I wanted a ‘good’ coach. The offense v. defense thinking wasn’t that well thought out. We were going to get a new DC anyways. I don’t think that hiring a defensive-minded HC to fix a team that’s weak defensively has worked that well historically. The quality of the HC himself and the overall staff quality are much more important. We tend to think in stereotypes and remember only the good examples on this issue. I think it’s more important to get a good DC. And we got a good one.
"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 10, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
good insight colinski
I pretty much agree with everything you just said
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 10, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He always has good insight... ;-)
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by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little more re: #2 'frame'
What’s interesting about the Cutler for Cassel frame — besides the fact that people were getting angry over a trade that was only talked about — is that Cassel was available for three weeks and we weren’t interested. What has been framed as a ‘Cassel for Cutler’ trade offer was really more a ‘Cutler for picks’ offer that we rejected.
Cassel was mentioned by both Tampa Bay and Detroit according to reporting, but neither team had reached an agreement with New England to actually offer him in trade. And whatever they offered wasn’t serious, according to McDaniels, so it was the picks and not Cassel that wasn’t serious.
It isn’t until a reported offer by Minnesota that the offer becomes ‘serious,’ and since Cassel is again mentioned (even though he’s been traded by that point), it’s the picks that are serious; not him. His eventual yield when combined with Vrabel is only one 2nd, which Vrabel is arguably worth by himself.
Moreover, as anyone with a minimal amount of knowledge of caponomics can understand, Cassel had a contract that very few teams were able to swallow, so — as many people have argued on both sides of the issue — he really wasn’t that interesting. But Cutler sure was!
What all the reports have in common is that teams were interested in Cutler. Cassel is obviously the bait of choice, but for whom, and who is actually on the market? Is it because we want Cassel or because teams are looking for a way to get Cutler. There’s no report of us attempting to obtain Cassel from New England during the three weeks he was available. The only reports are of teams coming to us with offers for Cutler. The report of his being shopped comes from Cutler after the Tampa Bay and Detroit offers for him became public, so was the entire controversy an elaborate charade by Cook and Cutler to auction off Cutler to the highest bidder?
"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 11, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 Colinski
Not only do all of the facts that you mentioned support your position on this issue, the common-sense test does as well. If McD truly wanted to trade Cutler for Cassel, we would have Cassel. To me, the fact that we don’t means that McD listened to offers and rejected them.
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by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 2:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colinski = EF Hutton
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 Excellent Points
I don’t agree with all of them, but I dig it wholeheartedly. Ladies and gentlemen, that is how you blog. Thank you McGeorge.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jun 10, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This should have been
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Jun 10, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job McG.
1. I like your idea about having Williams and Bell compete for the nickle back. It would have helped them to develope their talent, and they do have some talent, without costing the pick;
2. We’ve been over the Cutler/Cassel/Orton problem quite a bit. I would have loved seeing what Cutler could do this year because I have no doubt the defense and running game are going to be better;
3. Hadn’t thought about Simms being left handed. Good point;
4. I don’t think I know enough to have a well reasoned opinion about this one;
McDaniels certainly has been bold. That can be good but it can, more often than not, lead to failure. Bold can be an all or nothing type of behavior. That’s why you punt rather than go for it most of the time, why you go for three rather than seven, etc. On the other hand, big risks can be exhilarating when they come through. And after all, it’s all for fun anyway.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 10, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just One Favor To Ask.
I appreciate your points and especially the detailed reasoning behind them. I don’t necessarily agree with them, so I’d love to repond and see if we can’t get a nice discussion going. May you please take this comment and turn it into a FanPost so that we may carry on where it would be more appropriate?
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by ejruiz on Jun 10, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts.
1) McDaniels didn’t invent the concept of trading a future first round pick for a current second rounder (the Colts gave up even more to get Tony Ugoh a couple of years back and I’m not even sure if others have done it before them) nor was he the only one who employed the strategy in 2009 (the Panthers made a similar deal); personally, I’ll wait to see how Alphono Smith developes, how our Broncos and the Bears do this season and what becomes – or could have become – of our now traded first round pick before decrying its loss. Smith, by the way, may well be the nickel guy this year, but his future is obviously much brighter and more significant in the eyes of management… that’s something J. Williams and Bell may not bring to the table.
2) All I know about Cutler-for-Cassel is that we were approached about it, almost certainly could have done it if we wanted to and we didn’t. God knows what else was on the table as well. Maybe we were getting Cassel and a couple of solid draft picks from the Pats and/or Bucs; the point is we’ll never know unless someone involved in trade talks publicly speaks out about it. One more thing: funny how when Belichick turned Cassel and Vrabel into a high second rounder instead of getting the Chiefs #3 overall pick people were saying how sly he was avoiding the big money at the top of round one and focusing on the best value portion of the draft in the early second round.
3) Clady was certainly the best LT in the NFL last year and he’s only going to get better, but our whole O-line was historically good. Having Harris cover Simms’ blindside would not be the worst of things, I don’t think. Obviously it’s not optimal, but anything other than not optimal is not necessarily bad. Also, if your third point is about a back-up QB (or a signing good enough to earn the starter’s job over his handpicked and – objectively speaking – solid guy) then you can’t really be that upset.
4) Just to be clear, the Quinn trade was two third round picks for a second and a fourth. The trade itself was, my almost any measure, reasonable and fair. If you have a problem with the specific selections, that’s fine. I just don’t understand why people are so intent on saying that is was a mistake without seeing any of the players in question amke a single play at the next level. I, for example, once hated the Ryan Harris pick and ranted against it here; I was sure he’d bust and I wanted my guy: Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois. Well, I was predictably wrong. Ditto for a large chunk of our fandom and Eddie Royal, though by then I had learned to hold my tongue.
5) We have a whole new front seven. Sure, many have the same names on their jerseys and perhaps even the same numbers, but they’re all playing new positions. Throw everything you know about anyone already on our roster in the front seven out, because the new system is radically different. Once again, why not wait until you see how the depth chart shakes out and how the guys do at their new positions and in the new scheme before insisting that we’ve failed?
I guess the bottom line is this: why must you grade McDaniels, Xanders, Bowlen, our team and this franchise before giving them the chance to prove themselves one way or the other? By all means, be skeptical. For instance, I didn’t like the Robert Ayers pick, don’t know how Quinn will fit and am skeptical that the 3-4 switch will cure all that ails our defense. That said, I’m willing to give them their shot before making up my mind about it.
Your comment here was well reasoned. Some will agree, others will not and the majority will likely remain silent. But I thank you for sharing and welcome your continued participation at this level. See? It’s not so hard! Go Broncos!
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by ejruiz on Jun 10, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this post completely, and have made a fanpost saying similar things. good to see it’s better received now after everyone has calmed down.
by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got 135 comments and 11 recomendations
what more do you want man?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 10, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I think there’s been comments removed from that post. I guess that’s what I wanted! :)
by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of MHR
as a boisterous sports bar. You can say whatever you want, but for sure, someone will take exception just to have a good argument. Just chalk it up to the beer (or Kool-aid) and enjoy the debate. If someone gets obnoxius it’s probably because they just had too much to drink. Don’t take it personally.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 10, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guru be the bouncer...
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that make
Mike Clark the bartender?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 10, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...i think so.
So long as Guru is the bouncer/owner. Clark is one of the bartenders..the other will be someone less optimistic. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've used this term three times today....ZING!
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by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding post McGeorge
You have made reasoned arguments, most of which are very much in line with my own opinions. I believe I was also quoted by TSG above.
While I too like some of the things he has done, McDaniels has shown a pattern of making some questionable decisions (in my opinion). He just might be the smartest guy around, and I hope he is, but he’s never been a head coach before on any level. Forgive me for having a “wait-and-see” attitude for now.
Just as some may feel it’s unfair to judge anything the team has done negatively since they haven’t yet played a game under the new coach, I feel it’s just as unfair (or unthinking) to judge anything the team has done positively, for the same reason.
If a person isn’t on the La La Land bandwagon, it shouldn’t automatically make them a “negative voice” or a hater. I think haters are Raiders and Chiefs fans who come here to troll.
I am a Broncos fan. I just want to be able to voice my opinion without being accused of hating the team I love. I feel I have generally been able to do that here, although I haven’t always done the best job, which is my fault. But for the record, I have never said anyone anywhere doesn’t have a right to their opinion.
A heartfelt thanks to TSG and everyone here. Go Broncos!
by creamy on Jun 10, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree with #3
(Disclaimer…I’m coming from Arrowhead Pride…yes, a Chiefs fan.)
3. Clady is widely regarded as the best young LT in the NFL due to his pass blocking excellence. Why turn a roster strength into a question mark by playing a left-handed QB. Ryan Harris was fantastic at RT as well. Don’t Fu** with a good thing Coach, play a right handed QB. I’d have signed JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Grossman or any of the several other underperforming young QBs rather than taken a flyer on Simms. Off record, I bet The Coach would admit he regrets that he signed Simms.
These are all true. I even did a post back before the last Chiefs/Broncos game about how Clady was going to dominate our awful pass rush. But if Simms is even slightly better than Orton then you gotta go with him. QB is the most important position on the field (and probably all of sports) and you can’t skimp on that because it makes another position look good.
Get the RIGHT quarterback, then build from there.
Just my two cents.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 10, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No regrets.
Ever. If I had regrets, I’d be a Lions fan! Zing!
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by Tim Lynch on Jun 10, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGeorge, those are intelligent arguments even if I disagree with most of them
I’ll add my voice to those who wish it had been a fanpost, and urge you to make it one. I’d be much less hesitant to reply in depth to a fanpost than to a comment that’s somewhat off-topic even if excellent in its own right.
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by spock on Jun 10, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
but much ado about nothing now …til we see how McD does.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 10, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MHR is the place to be
Once again Guru, you summed things up very well. We have all been through more as Bronco fans over the past 6+ months than we have been in a long time. This has doubt tested us as fans and will make us stronger. I am glad to see things have pretty much settled down and I just can’t wait for training camp and preseason to begin so I can see what we are going to have this year.
I am also glad to MHR Radio is finally back…..I need my fix. However I might not be there for the whole 2 hours, if it is that long, due to the Finals tomorrow. Good thing for podcast or listening to it on the site later. Anyways, this site is perfect for me and like others here that live in southern california, I get everything I need to know about the Broncos from MHR. It is so cool not to have to several places to get info, so much props to those that keep this site up to the minute.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Jun 10, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
MHR RADIO!!!!
I’m so excited I could pee! I might even skip my ninja training tomorrow!!
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 10, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what a fan post is John, I guess I’ll have to figure that out.
I’ve already read a few reputable articles that proclaim Clady is the top LT in the NFL. If not today, he will be considered the best one by the end of this season if he plays as well in 2009 as he did as a rookie. Shanny may have drafted the next Walter Jones with our 2008 first rounder. Just another reason why I hate trading away 1st round picks (i.e. the potential to pick a Clady type talent as those guys don’t fall into the 2nd round).
Ryan Harris was the best pass blocking RT in the NFL based on the % of sacks he gave up on passing plays. So he is a bit unusual for a RT since he is not a great run blocker, but there is there anything wrong with possessing the best pass blocking tackles in the NFL (and these two are just 24 and 22 years old). IMO, there is not a better reason to feel good about Denver’s long term future than their two young tackles. Not even the FACT we also have the best young WRs in the league as well.
Just another few reasons why I still miss Cutler.
by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
fan post = your start the discussion
on the right hand side of the site, you’ll find a button for new fan post.
it’ll open a screen similar to a comment box, you enter your writings then click on publish on the bottom.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Jun 10, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the right you'll see a list of "RECENT FANPOSTS"
Page down to the bottom of that list and you’ll see “ALL FANPOSTS” on the right and “NEW FANPOST” on the left. Click on the latter and start writing. If you still need help just ask and lots of people will be happy to oblige.
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by spock on Jun 10, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Be To MHR.
Thank you for creating a site that attracted such a diverse and brilliant fan base! This is truly THE place to learn about all things Broncos and football. Keep on keepin on and I look forward to listening in on my first MHR Radio broadcast.
by JALefor on Jun 10, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saying...
that I am pretty new to MHR, and feel that I’m one of the more skeptical people posting, but never felt like that was unwelcome here. I just take the view that if someone took the time to read my post, and dig up facts/personal knowledge, to support a different viewpoint that its more of a compliment than an insult.
by gOOn on Jun 10, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on
2) All I know about Cutler-for-Cassel is that we were approached about it, almost certainly could have done it if we wanted to and we didn’t. God knows what else was on the table as well. Maybe we were getting Cassel and a couple of solid draft picks from the Pats and/or Bucs; the point is we’ll never know unless someone involved in trade talks publicly speaks out about it. One more thing: funny how when Belichick turned Cassel and Vrabel into a high second rounder instead of getting the Chiefs #3 overall pick people were saying how sly he was avoiding the big money at the top of round one and focusing on the best value portion of the draft in the early second round.
Exactly, this is the whole problem with the Cutler debacle. Nobody knows what actually happened, and everyone has pieced together their own timeline of events based on their own and media speculation. I really, really strongly doubt that any deal would have been Cutler for Cassel straight-up.
by NagaSadow on Jun 10, 2009 2:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
EJRuiz: As The Coach said straight from his own mouth “Denver was too late to the Cassel dance”. It had been reported on Friday (the day before the Cutler fiasco got out) that Vrabel was being traded to KC. Only on Saturday did we find out the trade was Vrabel and Cassel for a 2nd round pick. Denver jumped into the fray on Saturday and the Pats had already gone too far down the road with KC based on the Friday trade announcement. The Coach seems to love Cassel (just see his NFL combine interview – yuck) and likely would have paid a higher price for Matt than any other team. When Bowlen talks about The Coach and his rookie mistakes, I believe he is talking directly about the Cutler/Cassel fiasco.
As for the Alphonso Smith trade: In the 1990s, Bobby Betherd, then GM of San Diego, made a habit out of trading future 1st round picks for 2nd rounders. By in large, this strategy was a massive failure (unless you consider Brian Still a Hall of Fame WR). This practice is frowned upon by Mike Mayock, Kiper, Casserly, Gruden and just about everyone that chimed in during the 2009 draft. The Coach is heaping loads of pressure upon himself and Smith with such a bold trade. Just ask yourself, would you rather Denver make a habit of trading their future 1st round picks for 2nd rounders in the current draft or would you rather Denver trade current 2nd rounders for future 1st rounders. I choose the latter. BTW: I think Smith should be a very good player for Denver.
I never said Quinn was considered a reach. But we already have an excellent blocking TE (with four or five more seasons in his body). What Quinn or anyone does at the combine means jack sh** to me (I’m a game day production guy). Quinn made 12 catches in four years at UNC. So he better be a fantastic blocker. Plus there is a certainly a chance Quinn would have dropped to Denver in the 3rd round. We only moved up 15 picks to draft him. Teams trading up rarely nets equal value for the team moving up. Denver didn’t get killed in this deal (last pick in round 2 and 4), but Pitt made out better in terms of value.
I don’t know where you got that I’ve passed ultimate judgment upon The Coach. I’m not one of those people that set in stone that Denver is going 2-14 (although I believe its possible if we start slowly and the players loss faith in the Coach).
Josh may do just fine. Smith may produce like a 1st round pick and Quinn may go on to a Hall of Fame career. I just don’t like the risk/reward profile of several moves The Coach has made. I’m highly skeptical of his decisions and I’m not even close to jumping on the McDaniels bandwagon. Why would I if I think he is making poor decisions that will hurt the Broncos in the short and long term. His moves are too bold for my blood and he has not played the odds. We shall see come September, but I’m not optimistic based on what I’ve seen so far and I’m not the kind of person that lies to himself in order to fake feeling better.
by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
McGeorge, try the orange reply button with a little + sign next to it after a commenter’s post, it’ll pop up a window to type this reply and then your response will appear after the person you’re trying to reply too.
then the comment will flow logically after the person’s post, and we can all follow it better. this DP style flat mode stuff is killing me! :)
nice post, btw.
by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith move
To me, it’s not that he’s a bad player, it’s just that it seems like with our own 2nd rounder and two 3rd rounders, why give up next year’s number 1? Why not try to package some of the other picks to move up?
Why couldn’t McDaniels just back away from the phone when Seattle insists on getting that #1? You know Denver isn’t going to win the Super Bowl this year. Regardless of where the Broncos end up finishing in ’09, if financial considerations are such a huge issue, why not parlay that 1st rounder next year into a couple of second rounders next year, where maybe we can finally find some front 7 help? After all, any NFL QB worth his salt will pick apart even the Champ Baileys of the world if he has enough time to throw.
I hope the 3-4 scheme, putting players at new positions, better gap discipline, more attacking style ends up being the answer for our run defense. But what if it isn’t? What if it really is just a talent issue? Wouldn’t you rather have that #1 stud or extra 2nd round beefy body next year?
by creamy on Jun 10, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
should add "lack of pass rush"
to our list of defensive woes. yes, the run defense was poor, but so was our pass rush
by creamy on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sending out a bad message
If he did insist he would be sending out a very bad message to the players n his team. That message would be ‘No matter how hard you try this off-season, not matter how much effort you put in and how good you are individually we will not win as a team this year.’
That message would be fundamentally against the message that he is sending to the players which is ‘if we play as a team and work hard and prepare well we can win.. even this year!’
It would destroy team morale and basically guarantee us the seahawks the No.1 (or close too) pick next year.
by HorseStance on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not my argument
I’m not talking about giving our #1 vs. giving Chicago’s #1. I’m talking about giving up a #1 period, when it seems reasonable he could have moved up into the top of the 2nd round to grab Smith this year with some combination of our already existing 2nd rounder and two 3rd rounders this year.
by creamy on Jun 10, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok sorry for misunderstanding,
I can kind of agree with that, but again i would question why he didn’t do that.
One of the answers i come up with is that, i guess he wanted to get as many players as he could now rather than waiting until next year so they can learn from vets now. Which i feel is also reasonable, especially because some of those vets’ futures are uncertain after this season.
by HorseStance on Jun 10, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also don't forget
some people thought Smith might have fallen to the Broncos later in the 2nd anyway…there may have been no reason for them to trade anything to get him.
Then they could have used their first 3rd rounder on Quinn, etc., etc., etc.
Of course, it’s all conjecture. I like a coach/GM that knows what they want and will go after it. But they very well could have come away with a very similar draft class without giving up next year’s #1
by creamy on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alphonso Smith trade
It could be both a talent and financial reason. The talent aspect of Alphonso has already been discussed.
Finance: If Pat / Broncos were having some financial problems (perhaps some of Pat’s investments we know nothing about are not very good) he may be willing to pay for only one 1st round draft choice next year.
It makes it easier to swallow the news if Alphonso upgrades the defensive talent for the upcoming season.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Jun 10, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for many season's beyond
A common theme I’ve seen is the severe short-sightedness of fans. It’s all about this year. The “we traded next years 1st round pick for a CB who will only be a nickleback for us” view is very short-sighted. A rookie CB who is likely to win the Nickleback position in his first year, on a team that has 2 quality veteran starters at CB is not a bad thing. The potential that Smith has for us for years and yeas to come seems to be overlooked by the people who argue against this trade.
Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." - Babe Ruth
by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree but
I think the urgency to get so many players this draft was created because of the added pressure to his job due to the Cutler trade.
With Cutler McD would have been given more time before fans\players\media starts passing judgement. Now with the trade, he’s going to be constantly scrutinized. I bet he feels that he has to win and win now.
by trumanj on Jun 10, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
…but for the people who hated McD before the draft, he probably couldn’t have done a thing right in the draft in the eyes of these fans. No matter what he did, or who he drafted, the fans who didn’t like McD b/c of the Cutler fiasco would have been highly critical of McD’s draft regardless. I’m sure there are some fans who don’t like McD who came around after researching our picks and now do like his draft, but I think for the most part, McD would have been torched by the MSM & the fans who wanted his head regardless of what he did on draft day.
Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." - Babe Ruth
by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps McD tried that
We don’t know the details of the negotiation. Perhaps McD tried to get Seattle to take some combination of this years picks for their pick in that spot and they wouldn’t budge. With McD having 2 1st rounders for next year in his pocket, and his desire to move up to grab what he had judged as 1st round talent this year (A. Smith), and if Seattle is only intersted in one of those 1st rounders to make the deal, he pulled the trigger. Hopefully Smith’s play over the next decade for us will make the naysayers stance on this debate laughable in hindsight.
Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." - Babe Ruth
by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McD did say
after the draft that he tried to make the pick conditional, but Seattle wouldn’t budge. In my opinion, that is when you walk. Just caving in to their demands was very weak, again, imo.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 11, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would have been weaker (IMO)...
…is walking away from that Seattle offer and then drafting 2 realitively high picks in next years draft, whose heafty salaries add to the salaries of our 2 high 1st round picks from this years draft, and cause us to not have the cap room to resign Marshall. I would rather have Moreno, Ayers, Smith, a 1st rounder next year, and Marshall then Moreno, Ayers, 2 1st round picks next year, no Marshall and no Smith. No move is isolated from all of your future moves. We can only afford so many of our stud players. The fiances of getting Smith for 2nd round $, vs paying 2 first rounders next year will definately allow us to have more $ to go around for the team. I’m not saying that we would have for sure lost Marshall if we had 2 1st rounders next year, but there’s only so much $ to throw around. Having more cap room will allow us to retain more of our key pieces taht we have now. .
Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." - Babe Ruth
by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply button is a good idea.. ;-)
It has also been said that Denver where approached by other teams who, in my opinion, saw that Josh was affiliated with Cassel and wanted to know what it would cost them to get a player like Cutler. It has also been said that Denver had to consider these calls because, from JMD own mouth, he will do anything that he thinks will make this team better.
We will never know exactly what happened, or even if this was the real reason Cutler got upset, it could have been due to the general coaching chance, lack of fat pay check security and having to learn a new and complicated system that may or may not have fit his style but again that is more conjecture. We will never know and we can hypothesize and opinion-ate as much as we want but ultimately we, much like the Broncos players have to give this coach a chance to prove to us that he is capable and can lead this team to greatness, because he is under contract with us and he will in all likely-hood be here for at least 2 years unless we go 0-16 this year and play like the Lions…
When i look at the overall picture of the off-season i see a lot of things i like. Namely, Shanny being let go, in my opinion it was time. The hiring of Josh, a very talented offensive coordinator that has a very specific way of coaching a team and will follow that because it’s how he thinks we can become not just a winning team but a consistent winning team. The coaching staff that Josh brought in, successful, experienced professionals who obviously saw something in Josh and his plan that convinced them to come aboard, in many cases taking a lateral step on the career ladder. Plus keeping Dennison, Turner and the ZB scheme was great. The draft i thought could have gone a bit better but, i wanted Moreno as our tailback for ages before the draft, i was high on Larry English – but the chargers picked him up :-( but Ayers looks tough against the run which is definetly an area that we needed to work on after last year. I was shocked by Smith but researched him and weight up the pros and the cons and the pros for me outweigh the cons – of both the player and the trade. McBath I’m not so sold on but i would love to be proved wrong, Bruton looks good and will help a lot of S teams, the Quinn pick i was shocked by but he has elite potential and i think he will end up being a massive steal. Further down the list i would have liked to have seen a little more D but with the quality of the UDFA that we acquired, Baker – i thought would go in the third, Davis could be a stud if he is not plagued by injuries and Pedescleux will compete for a DE spot or go on the practice squad for a year. I think our front seven will surprise people this year and i would love for Powell to make a name for himself.
There where also things i didn’t like, spending money on a Cutler jersey was one of them, having the feeling that a player that i liked didn’t want to be a Bronco anymore was another one. How Josh, Jay, Pat, Bus and the MSM dealt with the McJayGate scandal was another.
So generally you could say I’m on the McBandWagon but there are things that i thought could have gone better this off-season.. but with such a dramatic change you cannot expect absolutely everything to be smooth sailing. I think that our team IS better than last year and i think that we are one step closer to being a consistent winner….. even without Jay.
by HorseStance on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGeorge:
I agree that I wouldn’t want to see the Broncos make a habit out of trading future 1st round picks for this years 2nd rounders, but I don’t mind the strategy when you are sitting on multiple 1st round picks for next year’s draft. If we had traded our sole 1st round pick next year for a 2nd rounder this year, then I would agree that it’s not a good startegy, but when you have 2 1st rounders this year and 2 1st rounders next year, trading 1 of those 1st rounders next year for a player you believe is first round talent this year is not that bad of a move, IMO.
Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver." - Babe Ruth
by c_style on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly, that is what position the Panthers have been in the past two years
And yet, few people seem to be losing sleep over it…
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 11, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why...
I keep coming back.
by TheMastermind on Jun 10, 2009 3:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lurking
I just want to say I have been reading this site for the last month and am very impessed. I am more excited about the Broncos specifically and the NFL in general than I have ever been (even during the Super Bowl winning years), partially because I feel so much more knowledgable than I used to. Like Democracy, this site is not perfect but is better than any other alternative. I may work my way up to posting or this might be the most I ever say. In either event I think everyone involved in the running of MHR and especially in posting articles needs to be commended.
by Dwhite on Jun 10, 2009 5:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to see a new member posting
Welcome Dwhite. This is a great sight with great info and you will really enjoy it
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I CREATED A FANPOST!!!
For McGeorge with his take from above. Please move the discussion to that FanPost!
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/6/10/905510/from-the-comments-mcgeorges
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 7:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why
but that comment made me laugh like crazy. I just imagined Guru jumping up and down like a brand new user who just made his first fanpost and is super excited to tell everyone about it. Because it’s funny because he’s Guru, and he owns MHR and has made like 2000 posts… yeah.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 10, 2009 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post John!
It has already been summed up and stated by many, I suppose the most concisely with the sentence by AlanC (responding to OP):
“Everything you just posted is why I come here.”
But there it is again John. Great post and it definitely encourages people to not hold back opinions, so long as they are ‘responsible’ opinions, as it were. As far as posts/comments regarding facts, well… So long as one considers a reputable source to reference, fact dispersal is pretty much common sense.
Common sense seems to be much more prevalent in postings and comments here (as long as spelling/grammar isn’t included, wink wink) than anywhere I’ve ever experienced. This is literally the only place on the internet that feels anywhere near home. DB.com used to have that privilege until I discovered MHR… Thanks again (everyone)!!!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 10, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great to see another fan of Ed and the boys!!!
Styg is also a big fan….
BackSpacer should be an instant classic!!!
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by John Bena on Jun 10, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeewww....
When I first started reading this I thought, “Oh Oh! John’s going to put the hammer down on La La Land,” I should have known better.
Guru, as I’ve said many times before (as well as in my profile) “MHR is a great site!” I wonder if you (or others) know that in my original profile it also said, “I will probably never contribute, but I will enjoy.” Funny this site. Its kinda like ‘Hotel California’…“You can enter anytime you like, but you can never leave.” In this case however its “You don’t want to leave.”
As far as being part of the ‘13-3 Baby!!’ crowd…yes I am part of that crowd. To tell you the truth I am more excited this year than I was after game three of last year. After the Raiders game I thought, “Yes! Shanny has fixed us!” but after the New Oleans game I made a comment on someone’s post that went something like this: “Has anyone noticed that our defense held for three quarters the first game, two quarters the second game, and only one quarter this last game—I hope this isn’t a trend.” After the KC game my thought was, “We have fixed nothing on defense.” Shortly after that I began putting some pretty pungent thoughts on members posts—and eventually got attacked. I promised myself then, and to one of MHR’s staff, that I would never again bring a negative thought into this site (not withstanding politics and its occasional incursion). Concerning sports someelse can live that reality.
I had no idea that La La Land would explode into something…which I guess now is special. It really started with a Post shortly after last year’s draft. For any new members (trodding thru this comment) La La Land is short for, “La-La-Land-of-Pre-Season-Feel-Goods.” After the problems with Travis Henry and others, last years draft seemed to be a new beginning where our team was finally going to focus on Character. Broncobear (not yet staff) began to do “Tales from the Sunnyside” with a series on players called, “Why He’ll make the Team.” I love this team and loved bear’s player profiles. I did a post and began making comments using, La-La-Land-of-Pre-Season-Feel-Goods as my theme. I basically stole Zappa’s battle-cry of “13-3 Baby!!” as my motto. That’s right—it was Zappa’s fault. I may have started the movement but it was Zappa that did a Post about “The Rules of La La Land” or something like that.
Guru, please don’t delete this comment, I am not trying to hyjack this post, and I think I can defend 13-3.
I agree with your like of McDaniels, I didn’t like the McJaygate thing and did a very negative post at Chicago’s SB site to vent my frustrations. McDaniels reminds me of someone—but not who you think. Yes, he is much like Shanny when he was an OC here in Denver—involved at a very immediate level with the QB’s and and the offense. He reminds me of Tom Landry for some reason. Most people at this site think of Landry as this guy with the suite and a hat. But back in the sixties you would catch many pictures and TV shots of Tom in shorts, T-shirt, and showing players how they should stand, where they should look, and what to expect. In otherwords I like McDaniels close involvement with the offense. The only question here is, “Can he teach them his scheme?” quick enough.
Yes he can. Other than the change at QB, find a flaw in this offense. My one concern this year is Brandon’s hip. Hips are funny things, I know I’ve said this before, but ask Bo Jackson. Other than that we have one of the best offensive lines, two great backs in Moreno and Hillis, possibly the best second and third receivers in Royal and Stoke, and now a Head Coach that loves to teach QBs how to put the pieces together…and take the time to do it!
This may be a stretch but having started as an assistant defensive coach I have to believe that McDaniels also got involved with special teams. For some reason I just have to believe this. Not only that but from the posts here, that I have read, many of our new signees are known for their special teams play. (sorry, I don’t have a second site open to look up the names—and I don’t want take the chance of losing this comment.)
Here comes the concern again…..defense. Bringing in Nolan was a great move—and reading about him talking, “Attack, Attack, Attack,” is so very refreshing that it reminds me of Dennis Smith blocking a field goal, getting called for offsides, blocking it again………..and we end up with a touchdown.
I love the thought ATTACK. We have been drafting attack players for the last few years (and I know I’ve said this before) but……We have drafted ATTACK players and put them in a “Hold-Your-Ground-Bend-But-Don’t-Break-Defense.” I hate that……….I love the thought of ATTACK.
John, it shouldn’t take too long into the season to see who is right…………….but until then:
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Super Bowl here we come!!!! …………until we don’t
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Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jun 10, 2009 9:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing you might mention beyond your 13-3 battle-cry from Zappa.
You got your Kool-Aid logo from another MHR fan. Have you heard from her lately? I have not seen a post from her for awhile.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Jun 10, 2009 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thank Silverblood evrytime she shows up.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jun 10, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As well as DavusX who created the banner.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jun 10, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Silver must be busy with studies.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jun 10, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope Silver does well wither her studies
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Jun 11, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike
(sorry, I don’t have a second site open to look up the names—and I don’t want take the chance of losing this comment.)
Try this: ctrl n it opens a new window and you can go back and forth easily. In fact, you can do as many as you like. (Just in case you didn’t know) :-)
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 10, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow Kirk. I've been opening second windows using mail from the likes of sporting news. If I didn't remember to do it before coming here I was stuck in one window. Wow!!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Jun 10, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soooo Mike
what are you pouring tonight?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 10, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guru for the article. I'm not a business type person,
going up as a rebel-rouser I didn’t take education and school as being an important factor of my life. I was a teenager around the hippy era, and being kind of a red neck hippy I really didn’t take life to seriously. I worked hard and partied hard at the same time. Anyway I may come off in a matter that might touch others feelings where I really didn’t intend to.
The Broncos have made strides of improvement IMO over who they were last year and I believe they are capable of going 13-3. Will they, I don’t know, we will see.
by bfree2bronc on Jun 10, 2009 10:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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