Transactional Analysis Applied To MHR. Who Are We?
This is a media research project in reference to TSG's "Objectivity vs. Kool-Aid" bombshell. His article made some stunning & compelling statements that generated responses from across the whole spectrum of the MHR fanbase. Despite all of the great dialogue & debate that ensued, I felt the greatest impact of the post was that it collectively forced the entire MHR membership to look in the Mirror. Who are we? Are the outsiders looking in correct in their assessments? Are we really just a bunch of Kool-Aid swilling optimists who are so out of touch with reality that we can't even tolerate the least bit of criticism of our Team, even from within? Let's try to find out.
I am not a psychologist, but I have studied Transactional Analysis & found it to be a useful tool for observing & analyzing human behavior. One of the models TA employs to describe personality is based upon how people relate to themselves as well as others. There are 4 different personalities. 1) I'm OK, You're OK. 2) I'm OK, you're not OK. 3) I'm not OK, you're OK. 4) I'm not OK, you're not OK. In the real world these personalities are dynamic and can change depending on who you are relating to. Perhaps it is possible that just maybe at some point in time one of us may have responded to a post with a reply that was predicated upon who the person was, rather than what the person said. It's a game changer. The mere understanding of the principle can help keep you on target.
Fortunately, for our experiment, that condition will be static. We will adapt the TA model to describe how we feel about ourselves as MHR Member Bronco Fans & our Team. After all, it's all about the Broncos. "I'm OK" implies that you are proud to be a fan of the Broncos & a member of MHR. You post often & occasionally partake from the pitcher full of you know what. These are just suggestions. You can fill in the rest. "I'm not OK" probably indicates that you are ashamed of your team because they are perceived as the laughingstock of the NFL. Likely frustrated & reluctant to post because you'll in all likelyhood just get flamed by the 13-3ers. Maybe contemplating a brown bag for headgear or even considering jumping ship. You get the drift.. "The Broncos are OK" could mean that you are totally down with all of the changes that have been made. HC,GM, offseason acquisitions, it's all good. This team is on the rise. "The Broncos are not OK "may be symptomatic of feelings like, I want my Shanny back, where's my Cutler, McD is in way over his head, FA & the Draft were a bust, we're going down in flames. You feel me?
It is my hope that this poll will provide a snapshot of the image that MHR reflects in the mirror which Guru held up for us.If the information can be correctly interpreted, maybe we can find out if we are the "Big Tent" one of the respondents in TSG's post described us as, or are we alienating & excluding large segments of the Bronco fanbase. If it can give us a better perspective & sharpen our focus, maybe even more meaningful & inclusive dialogue could be acheived at this already stellar website. Thanks BShrout for the encouragement.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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It's an interesting take....
I’ll be interested in seeing the results, though it is extremely hard to quantify. I will talk more about this tonight on MHR Radio(shameless plug!)
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"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
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This is more complex I think than first glance. Perhaps I’m not ok could mean several different things to different people, not just that you’re unhappy or embarrassed about your team. Equally, you’re not ok applied to the Broncos has a multiplicity of interpretations. Interesting take on our very diverse population of readers. Personally, I love the dialogue that challenges our beliefs and stimulates deeper questioning of our biases. “On what do you bias your opinion?” Ha Ha.
Hi Ponderosa
I was just suggesting those conditions as examples of the things that may make you feel OK or not OK about being a fan or relating to the broncos. Perhaps instead of giving suggestions maybe I should have just let the readers determine their OKness & allow them to fill in the blanks. By the way, I like fishing for bias. They are easy to catch cause they have such big mouths . Big mouth bias. Yuk yuk yuk!
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
Speaking of a very diverse population of readers.
That is another post entirely. I have no way of proving it, but just sensing from what I’ve read at this site, I believe our membership has to include every demographic. People of all ages, gender, race, & ethnicity. Members from every walk of life & every socioeconomic background imaginable. That’s why the focus was restricted to how feel about being a fan of their team.
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
Not sure the poll will tell the story your looking for.
I understand what your intent is, I just think the choices are too narrow. It really doesn’t allow for the fan who is on the fencepost waiting to see how things turn out. By your definition I’m certainly ok, but I’m still not totally sure the Broncos are okay or not okay. I like some changes, well they just made sense to me and others I’m in a wait and see mode. Just because you used new ingredients in your stew doesn’t always make it better stew and you certainly won’t know ‘till you taste it. That’s how I see it at the moment.
Absolutely, that's were I am I guess.
Don’t really care if it looks wishy washy, it’s just the truth of the matter. :o)
Back to the drawing board!
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
Agreed
There’s an element of artificiality in such binary thinking. I think most of us are being optimistic, yet are wary of all of the changes this year. A football team is a big machine with a legion of moving parts, and they all have to work properly, in sync, and not break in order to get to 13-3.
On the other hand, I think it is a good starting point in understanding what makes this site tick.
I really can't argue or disagree with any of the transactions of the past 5months.
To me, and it is only my opinion, the Broncos have made each position better, maybe not great but better. IMHO some of the players we had last year should be doing something else in life besides making fools of themselves in front of milliions of people. How many of the cut players were picked up this off season? Hmm, that should tell us all something about what was going on with the prior administration. Nice post turnertoe.
And another thing, I'm not falling head over heels for McDaniels.
If he missteps, I’ll be the first to treat him as a ‘red headed step child’. He is paid to do a job the last last guy couldn’t or wouldn’t do, and he supposedly has brought all the tools to do it. If he doesn’t then he is fair game as far as I’m concerned.
I'm sure Pat Bowlen probably feels the same way.
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
I agree, to a point
I think he, and any head coach, are fair game, win or lose. But that’s just the point, McD hasn’t a had a chance to do either. So, like you and many others seem to be, I’m on board with McD, I do like many of his decisions over the past few months, but am still cautiously optimistic.
However, I do think IF this season is a rough one, which it could be because there are just so many new variables involved, that McD, his staff and the players should be given at least SOME leeway. I mean, it will be year ONE after a complete overhauling of an entire football team almost from top to bottom. That’s a tall task for anyone! I like McDaniels, think he seems to have a solid plan and is on the right track for long term, CONSISTENT success (which I emphasize for those who will be disappointed and ready to call for McD’s head if we’re not playoff contenders right out of the gate). We also seem to have a nice blend of players (talent, role players, youth and veterans) and solid coaching staff backing it all up. But let’s be realistic, we can’t necessarily expect miracles, especially after an off-season with as much change and, at times, turmoil as this one.
I believe we’ll be fine this year, will be incredibly competitive, show a lot of promise for 2010 and beyond, but might not be quite playoff ready this year. And if that is what plays out to the tune of a competitive 7 – 9, 8 – 8 or similar record, then I’m absolutely okay with that and will consider it a successful season to build on. Not sure anyone can realistically ask for much more than. Not that 13 – 3 wouldn’t be nice, of course. ;-)
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by RockyMtnHigh on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe they'll become
Cel phone salesmen
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 11, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Snapshot of a Transactional Analysis journey
End of the season, I’m OK-Broncos are OK
Firing Shanny and Trading Cutler and right after the draft, I’m Ok the Broncos are not OK
Beginning to read MHR and learning from many many knowledgable posters
I’m OK=Broncos more then OK
sbhchawk
Here to drink the KoolAid poured by KO
Its sure been a bumpy ride.
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
Confused by the question.
I am okay and the Broncos are okay in general. In otherwords, I’m me and the Broncos have done nothing to change my relationship with them.
However, specifically, IMO, the Broncos are not okay as in they are not ready to kick bloody butt. I guess specifically I would be “I’m okay with me and I’m okay with the Broncos direction”, but I’m not expecting that they are embarking on some glorious season.
Summed up, I would say this: The Kool Aid I’m drinking says that the Broncos got through a rough patch with Cutler, had what will go down as one of the smartest drafts in franchise history, and will be among the elite by 2011. Its based in one basic idea: IMO, the team left over by Mike Shannahan was overrated, insufficiently analyzed by the pundits, and stuck in the morass of an aging defense with problems much deeper than the dline. The fact that McDaniels vision extends beyond the front seven and the idea that this was already a great offense is why I am so excited. I love the direction even if the 2009 version might not already be significantly better than the 2008 version…although I do believe this new team is much more likely to steal games that they should probably lose…and now I’m just rambling so I’ll shut the heck up….
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions
PO I like your summary
But, good things will happen in 2010 as well I think. But, it won’t be until 2011 that the whole vision is completely all McDaniels and not a mixture of the past and present.
Let's rec this article to keep it up front
looking in the mirror is good & healthy;
TT, I’ll be adding my own thoughts once I’m away from work (you had me scratching my head at first trying to figure out what I encouraged you on — benign forgetfulness struck once again. LOL)
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Fun Post turnerstoe, rec'd
Not really sure if ‘OK and Not-OK’ can really answer the subtle nuances of being a fan or the power of emotions. Personally I don’t think anyone can answer the unusual strength of emotions involved in loving a team. I think the emotions are a phenomenom that started last century and strenghthens each passing day as the world moves towards the confusion of calling good evil and evil good. Many kids, for the last many years, have come out of school believing that all belief is equal, unless you believe that your belief is absolutely true. In this case you are isolated as a ‘radical’ and set aside as a fanatic.
Anyway, what does this have to do with football? Absolutely nothing, but it may answer the desire of many to seek to fill the void of the absent absolute. Enter win/loss records, pretty absolute, and people find the drug to fill that void.
Back to ‘ok or not ok’ :
I’m not really sure if you were asking for a general or personal evaluation so I’ll go with the personal. I’m ok and the Broncos are ok.
Actually I’m more excited about this year than I have been for many years ( and I was very excited at the beginning last year). I am really getting to like McD and what he is doing. For the first time in three years he is addressing our real need at defense…a scheme that is known to work. He also brought in some great vets know for leadership as well as special teams. The many may be right that this is a three year process—but I don’t see it. I believe Josh brought the likes of Dawkins in for an immediate effect as well as to set a tempo and be an example for our young players to see what it takes to be great in this league. I also love Nolan’s talk that this will be an ‘Attack’ defense. We have been drafting ‘Attack’ players in the likes of Elvis, Marcus, Jarvis and others for the last few years—yet we have have put them into a ‘Hold your groundn bend but don’t break defense’. I think we will see immediate results this year.
I also love Mcd’s personal involvement with the offense. I don’t care if its Orton or Simms at QB—we will have one of the best offenses in the league this year.
You mentioned, ‘those that are out-of-touch with reality,’ and I often get accused of that.
Trust me, I am in touch with reality, but I discovered an action that makes Pre-Season much more fun.
During Pre-Season I don’t let reality get in the way of optimism!
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Super Bowl here we come!!! …. until we don’t…
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I agree MC, I am truely excited for 2009 to begin. TT I voted I'm OK, the Broncos are OK ( by the way I gave you
the 5th Rec’d- to keep this going )
IMHO, I believe when you root for a team—-give your all, come on everybody, show your fandom, lets be happy and show your
support. Its a game ( meant to be fun )
I think ( my humble opinion ) That many things that happened during the off season ( we all know what they were ) upset some
of the fan base. Stay with me their is a point…
The point being——getting upset over something that is completely out of your control—-is only going to hurt you.
Yelling at the rain in hopes you can make it stop——well ….
I love MHR for its diverse opinions——but——-Remember——-they—-are—-only——opinions….
I wrote this once before…..unless one of you actually work for the Denver Broncos——We are ALL on the Outside
looking In…..Giving our own humble Opinions.
How About Them Broncos
Its the beginning of the Season……Lets Root for OUR Team
GO BRONCOS
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Jun 12, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 UB3
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 12, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree UB3
I love your “Yelling at the Rain” example.
For me being negative during Pre-Season is as useful as yelling at a cat to make him stop shedding. ( I had to tape all my furniture a week ago to get rid of the ‘Spring Runoff’…so to speak.) lol
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
LOL--we also have cats...Spring Runoff....nice
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
LOL
love the cat image (4 cats, 2 dogs, all of which shed horribly) :D
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on Jun 12, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Rec
But we are all insiders here!
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
Thanks Mike
It’s fans with a sense of reality like you that draw me here. Thanks for your outlook.
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
turner, really fun post, makes you think. Thankyou!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
awesome post TT, I hope it gets two more rec's so it'll stay out front
A couple of thoughts in response to your post. The following quote, I believe is the heart of your post:
I felt the greatest impact of the post was that it collectively forced the entire MHR membership to look in the Mirror. Who are we?
And even more importantly: Who am I?
I love the fact that you drew upon TA to set up the discussion. I think it’s especially apropos in light of the wide range of emotions which have surfaced in Guru’s two articles. At it’s heart, TA is designed to be a way to build awareness of how each of us is interacting with one another. We can see the full spectrum of the I’m OK-You’re OK analysis in the point/counter-point that has gone on lately.
I’d just like to throw one more piece into the mix. An Australian TA analyst — Tony White — has attempted to enhance the analysis by expanding the categories. I think if we look at how we’ve talked to each other over the last few months, we can see places where most, if not all of them have surfaced.
And it seems to me that both Guru and yourself have attempted to enable us to “look in the mirror” so that the wonderful comraderie which is one of the hallmarks of MHR (and no, comraderie does not equate to uniformity of opinion) will not devolve into a divided membership. The right to express an opinion (whether positive, so-so, or negative) and receive respectful discussion is something which should be protected at all costs. Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox, since I managed to push my own buttons there.
On to White’s categories:
1. I’m okay – You’re okay (the MHR ideal)
2. I’m okay – You’re not okay
3. I’m not okay – You’re okay
4. I’m not okay – You’re not okay
5. I’m a bit more okay than you are
6. I’m okay – You’re irrelevant
7. I’m not okay – You’re irrelevant
Once again TT, great post!
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Thanks BShrout
I am familiar with Whites’ expansion of TA. It would have been interesting to integrate these expanded views in the post. I kinda feel bad about this post, BShrout. Judging from the comments, it appears that I have attempted to perform brain surgery with a dull & rusty Barlowe pocket knife. Not very good use of the TA tool in my hands. I don’t expect this post to reveal much about the personality of MHR, as I had hoped. On the bright side, maybe the introduction of TA here may help improve the tone & tenor of the dialogue here.
"He can take his'n n beat your'n, or he can take your'n n beat his'n." Florida A&M Coach Jake Gaither on Alabama Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.
I like the image:
attempted to perform brain surgery with a dull & rusty Barlowe pocket knife.
I just think you were headed in a direction that may not have been followed. I took your post to mean that you were interested in how MHR members spoke to one another rather than how they felt about the team — which is why I added White’s expansion. It certainly challenged me to think about how I will respond before I actually do respond to a post with which I disagree.
But I also felt the application of your model to how we feel about the Broncos also has merit and value, as do all of the discussions on MHR. :)
Keep up the good work.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on Jun 13, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions

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