Brandon Marshall stays away from Mini-Camp
by John Bena on Jun 12, 2009 11:23 AM MDT
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The first day of Denver's mandatory minicamp got of to a bit of a rocky start with news that WR Brandon Marshall was a no-show. Marshall would not have been able to practice anyway, coming off hip surgery, but according to the Denver Post he was required to show up for rehab.
We all know Marshall is unhappy with his contract, and the Post says Marshall has little confidence in the Broncos' medical staff, whom he blames for misdiagnosing the hip injury last season.
I talked about the Marshall situation last night on MHR Radio, and believe staying away is a mistake. Marshall already has a cloud around him off the field, fair or not, and bringing that cloud on the field as well in the form of a holdout is not good business sense, at least in my opinion.
UPDATE(11:23 am MST) -- CBS4 is reporting that Marshall is in Denver and is scheduled to meet with Broncos Owner Pat Bowlen later today....More to come
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Don't see how the Broncos could even consider extending him now.
I guess he wants out. There is no other explanation.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he wants out...
he’s just unhappy with his contract. Are the Broncos supposed to trade every player who asks for a new contract? Trading Brandon would create even more instability and more drama. I think that is the last thing that this organization and fan base needs.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrible timing.
You’ve got an obvious attempt to change the culture of the locker room. Brandon Marshall has now decided to buck that by asking for more money when its not reasonable to expect it— he’s still facing a possible suspension, he hasn’t showed that he can be durable and he has not proved that he can excell in the new scheme. To me, the horrible timing of this move would be obvious to a brain injured monkey. Thus, I can only conclude that the only thing Brandon Marshall can be thinking is that any outcome is acceptable to him, including a departure from Denver. In fact, a reasonable man might expect this move to end his Denver career. I think Brandon Marshall is a reasonable man.
If he’s counting on the new regime to somehow be swayed by avoiding another PR disaster, he’s clearly barking up the wrong tree. I wouldn’t be happy about it (another trade), but I’d sure understand it.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
indeed
he’s got absolutely zero leverage. he needs to shut up, be a good soldier, and show he deserves a new contract. he has not shown he deserves it yet, and the broncos are at 0 risk of losing him to FA.
Marshall, stfu and get to Denver, kthx! :)
by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
And Cutler had even less leverage but the precedence was set that an disgruntled player could force his way to the team he wanted to go to. The Cutler situation opened the door to this kind of action. Previous regime had 1 hold out in ten years or so.
Time for McD and company to show they learned from their 1st go around and get him to camp.
by AKfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Previous Regime
also brought in some very squirmy individuals which is why McDaniels has to clean house of people that think it is the same old Country Club where the players run the organization.
Brandon is getting very poor advice. He needs to be quiet for now, clear his reputation and then get the big payday. Pat Bowlen has stuck by him despite the headaches he has caused. Yes he is talented, very talented but he also needs to make better more mature decisions. He needs to buddy up to Brian Dawkins so he can get it.
I would hate to lose him. But if he wants out if he doesn’t get paid now, we need to trade him for another player that can help us out right now.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Agree
I respectfully disagree significantly with the suggestion that “the players ran the organization” under Mike Shanahan.
Yes, there were some marginal individuals brought in under Shanahan, but many organizations have done that, including the currently in vogue Boston Patriots. Corey Dillon was no angel or team player in Cincinnati and Randy Moss had his share of egocentrism in Minnesota and Oakland. Lawyer Malloy made a pest out of himself in Boston before he was traded as was their WR, who I am forgetting at the moment.
Shanahan did not have many holdouts, disgruntled players or much whining about contracts.
Frankly, t think that is piling on to call a coaching administration that was quite successful (2 Super Bowls) and had a lot of winning years as fostering a country club atmosphere. Shanahan’s major problem was that the fan base and ownership wouldn’t let him do rebuilding.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 12, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Evidence is Pointing to the Contrary
When you start to add up all the individual issues that players have had over the last few years I can’t ignore the pattern.
Yes the Patriots brought in the several players that you suggested but after having built a team of players with a certain attitude knowing that by sheer numbers they would keep the new arrivals in line.
When I look at the Broncos over the last few seasons I don’t see the players who were going to keep the new arrivals in line. I see the Champ Baileys being outnumbered.
I think this is just more symptoms playing themselves out. Don’t get me wrong, I love Shanahan but it is what it is.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 12, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are 100% accurate
Thank you for your perspective.
by HACK10 on Jun 12, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I disagree...it was an organization where the inmates ran the asylum....blatantly obvious!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your funny
Brandon Marshall hasn’t shown he can be durable? Your joking right. Has the guy missed any games for a medical reason? The answer is No. He is very Durable and showed that playing through a bad hip injury almost all season and still caught 100+ balls. I do think he should have showed up but even if he was there he could not do anything. I have faith that this will be resolved by training camp
You are all crazy to say trade BM. He is by far the most talented and best player on our team. He is also our biggist playmaker. That trade would hurt us more then the Culter trade.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that we shouldn't trade Brandon Marshall, but I don't think everyone is crazy for wanting to do so.
I think that if we do trade BM, then it was for the best. Plus, if we do trade him, then we should get Boldin.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said trade him.
I said I’d understand. I don’t think its too much to ask that you wade through a couple sentences before you open up on somebody. Its not like my simple comment was War and Peace or something.
He’s bucking the program. He’s ripping the Broncos publically. He’s asking the team to make a committment that no reasonable team would make. He was invisible last year when the team needed him most, and HE said it was because of injury…the same excuse he used when he was missing late in 2007.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, by the way, was the...
…same excuse he used to miss all of OTA’s and minicamps last year…he was hurt. That sounds like durability issues to me.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was replying to gnarlybroncodude's comment, not your's. I didn't mean to upset you.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comments were to Gnarly, too. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohh. Okay. No big deal. Now back to Brandon.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did read the whole article
and Saying they would be Better off without him is pretty much the same thing as saying trade him. Also you cannot question someone durablity until they actually miss a regular season game due to injury which has never happened with BM. Who cares if the misses time in the offseason because of injury. All that matters is if he plays on game day.
“He was invisible last year when the team needed him most” Dude the whole team was invisible last year when it mattered most. BM was doubled or triple almost every game and cutler would try to sling balls in there. His so called disappearing had more to do with a QB that could not make progressions and locked in on him nonstop
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this team would be better without him, but if he forces us to trade him,
then we’re gonna trade him. I hope that Brandon does get over this and gets on-board with the new system.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...sorry. Man...I am confused right now.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disputing Marshall as a player.
Nor am I advocating a trade. My point was that this is a not a really smart time to do this if his priority is to be part of the Denver Broncos. I mean, does anything defy the team first principle more than doing this right now, especially considering the amount of drama this franchise has already faced this offseason? It seems like a clear rejection of the message McDaniels has clearly delivered.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 12, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's one thing to ask for more money...
Quite another if he’s actually planning a hold out. Gawd, what else can go wrong this off season?
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 14, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s trade one disgruntled receiver for another and go get Boldin. This is ridiculous.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hold on a sec. Boldin is no better than Marshall when it comes to contracts.
Do we really think that Eddie Royal is ready to become a number 1 receiver? We need to keep Brandon…or else I’ll have to buy a new Broncos jersey…lol. But I don’t want to keep him just because I have his jersey. Think about this team without Brandon Marshall. He fights for every yard. Plus I don’t think he’ll have any more off-field issues.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does fight for every yard; however, he really needs to improve his ‘yards ran’ to ‘yards gained’ ratio. The guy runs twenty yards for every five that he gains. He’s hurt, he’s one stupid move away from a lengthy suspension, he fumbles, and apparently doesn’t care to be a Bronco. Boldin Please!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin is joke and huge crybaby
He is no where near as good of a WR as Marshall and he is crying about his contract down in Arizona too. So lets trade a top 3 WR for someone that bitches to the media about a contract non stop and really is not a team player everyone thinks he is. Remeber Boldin was pissed last year when Fitz was getting all the balls in the playoffs. Boldin is not a team player.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is really tough though
I don’t want to lose Brandon his game is good. Its the head that scares so many people though. He is starting to get it in many ways then here comes his agent whispering in his ear. Scary stuff. I just want this all over and players to play. Next up is Casey Weigmann
.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Brandon Marshall is just as tough as Boldin if not tougher
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin has two major things going for him
One is he doesn’t have off the field baggage and two is the dude is tough as nails.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I really think Royal is ready to become a number 1 receiver
which doesn’t mean I wouldn’t rather have him and Marshall.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jun 13, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Gaffney is ready to be a #2
Royal, Gaffney, Stokely, McKinley, Swift, and Jackson would be a solid WR corps. Not that I wouldn’t rather have BMarsh over Jackson in this group, but I wouldn’t be panicking if this is who Denver started the season with.
I suppose I should go on record with my prediction that Nate Swift makes the team…
by CoastalBronco on Jun 13, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh great
just what we need, another circus
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Jun 12, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy...
Here we go again.
Boldin anyone?
by Matt In Canada on Jun 12, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
trade Marshall to the Bears for Jay Cutler
They need receivers.
But who will guard the guards themselves?
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Jun 12, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it...maybe we could throw in Simms to sweeten the deal...hey, what about Orton???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is funny
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was excused. Wait for the full storey to come out
You never know but there could be other circumstances that prevented this. Doctor says take some Valium get some sleep and call me in the morning.
by maritimebronco on Jun 12, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not concerned at this point...
I wish I could say I was surprised, but I’m not. Brandon will likely learn the hard way that the new regime isn’t going to be bullied. Also, Brandon needs to realize that thanks to his off the field issues… he’s considered a liability in terms of a long term mega-huge contract.
Does he deserve it based on his production? Most certainly… and eventually, he should get it. I think he needs an incentive based deal with outs for the team if he can’t stay out of the back of a police car.
Best luck in rehab and get your 100+ receiving a$$ in Denver…
______
Mile High Mania
by Mile High Mania on Jun 12, 2009 10:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to start a firestorm here,
but if Broncos showed anything in dealing with the Cutler situation it’s that they can be bullied. That may be part of why this is happening.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see how that follows
Cutler had no leverage with which to bully us. We shipped him out on our own terms, before he caused serious damage (i.e., refusing to attend training camp, games, etc.), and for a boatload of compensation.
No way were we bullied.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 12, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can just see the headlines now... BRANDON MARSHALL TRADED TO ARIZONA for BOLDIN.
Do we hit the panic button now?
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’d be a great trade for the Broncos.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be
a HORRIBLE trade for the Broncos.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does that feel
like trading Jay Cutler for Brett Favre?
(Okay, not a great analogy, but like trading one headache for another, talent notwithstanding.)
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would admit that in terms of pure WR talent BMarsh is probably the better of the two; however, taking everything else into consideration makes that an good trade IMO.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the drama begin again
All i know is this offseason is wearing me out.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Jun 12, 2009 10:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AGREED THERE!
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst off-season I've ever had.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
no way........remember the offseason after the 55-10 drubbing
by the Niners in the Super Bowl THAT SUCKED!
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding? This is exciting!
Man… There’s Broncos news like every week. Football drama is still more entertaining than baseball.
by Velveeta on Jun 12, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually... paint drying
is more entertaining than watching baseball =P
by tunga77 on Jun 12, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not one to say I told you so....
but everyone was acting like I was making things up when I said he was demanding a new contract. The fact is BM is a troubled young man and the Broncos in the end will be better off without him. I just hope they can get good value for him, be it a stong WR or a few draft picks. Wouldn’t it be wild if we could trade him to the Giants for Hixon (I loved the guy as a Bronco and as a Giant). We don’t need the drama of an “elite” WR. We need men focused on the game and not themselves.
I hope they can move fast to get rid of him. Great talent isn’t always great. Look at what happened to Mike Tyson.
There is no I in team.
by LovedemBroncs on Jun 12, 2009 10:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah…but if I had a boxing team I’d want Mike Tyson on it (in his prime).
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
really Better off without BM
That is the most crazy thing I have ever heard. There is no way we would be better off by trading our BIGGEST playmaker. Losing BM would be just as big as a blow if not a bigger blow as losing Cutler.
I love the overreacting on this site. The same stuff that happened with cutler. A player does something a Fan does not like and they flip out even when they do not know the whole story.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if this was the first issue we had heard about BMarsh then everyone on this site would say we should do anything necessary to keep him on board. While I can’t speak for everyone, I’m sick of his schtick and I don’t think we’ll ever hear the end of it.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one seeing the irony?
Please take this in the least condescending, most charitable tone possible:
I find it awkward to hear you calling the rest of this message board out on “overreacting”, when a look at the preceding conversations has indicated quite clearly that if anyone has the strongest emotions and the strongest language regarding this issue, it is you.
Saying that the Broncos are better off w/o BM may be incorrect, but “overreacting” seems to me to quite clearly imply an excess of emotional response in proportion to the issue. I only see that from you, so far.
Again, just my opinion, may be wrong, and please take it as constructive criticism.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 12, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think gnarly is overreacting
hes right when he says we dont know the whole story and that thinking the broncos are better off without BM than with him is crazy talk. the dude is 24 and already a top 10 WR. Royal is not ready to be a #1 receiver.
by purplesocks on Jun 12, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we're tangled in semantics
The way I understand the both dictionary definition and general-use meaning of the word, “overreacting” is quite heavily weighted on the emotion side of the reason-emotion continuum. So, you say that person X is being “irrational” because they have too little reason to their response(s), but you say that X is “overreacting” because they have too much emotion to their response(s) (and to head off an objection, no, an excess of emotion does not necessarily imply a dearth of reason).
So, when you say that you don’t think gnarly is overreacting because he’s “right”, you imply that you are (mis?)interpreting “overreacting” as meaning “has jumped to the wrong conclusion”, when I mean it as “has allowed their emotions to carry them too far away from reasonable discourse”
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 12, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that understanding, I see more "overreacting" on gnarly's side rather than the community he is calling out for that infraction
With one or two possible exceptions. Still, when you are calling out an entire community (as gnarly did by referencing “this site” as a whole), one or two exceptions do not help your cause.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 12, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Value?
If the Cardinals cannot get value for Bolding and the Browns cannot get value for Edwards, what makes anyone think that they will get value for an injured reciever who thinks 2.1 million is not enough incentive to show up for rehab and meetings?
No one is rushing to sign Buress either. There is not a market out there for teams waiting to throw money at wide recievers. BM needs to be here and have a good year showing he is fully recovered from the hip surgery before he starts making contract demands.
I don’t see many options other than fine him and turn attention to the guys that are here and playing. Everyone was moaning about what would we do for recievers prior to the Raider game last year and I seem to remember that the situation worked out pretty well.
by AlanC on Jun 12, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with that
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is tough is the injured hip
Trying to trade him with that and getting him to pass another teams physical is going to be tough.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the dust settle.........
It is unfortunate…however, this is THREE day mini-camp. Marshall was not going to participate other than meeting time. And his rehab has been proceeding outside of Broncoland. This is not a big issue until Training Camp rolls around.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Jun 12, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree. he isnt rehabbing there anyway, so why go?
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't disagree more,
this is a huge issue. Even if BMarsh plays for the Broncos this season, the Broncos are trying to implement one of the most complicated offensive systems in the league and our top WR doesn’t think it’s necessary to participate. I understand that he wouldn’t be on the field anyway, but he should be there watching, learning, and taking coaching.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok you changed my mind
lol. u rock PN!
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on Jun 12, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but remember he is hurt
so that would impair a lot of his learning regardless
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Did he hurt his brain? :-)
On a more serious note, I guess he/his agent are trying to send a message, but it is a smaller deal (both in terms of the effect on the team and the fines he’ll get) than a training camp holdout.
Hopefully this doesn’t escalate and it gets resolved long before then…
by NZBroncoFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
can this offseason get any crazier?
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we just trade the whole team away? jk.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
if we can get the Pats or Steelers straight up
I am down with that JUST KIDDING
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, ESPN hasn't started to fantasize about it, so I think we're okay for right now.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They are now.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Can this day get any worse?
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you watching ESPN in the first place
They have no idea what they are talking about and have a bunch of morons working for them. They are lucky Adam Schfter signed a contract with them cause he will be the only one on that network that has any idea what he is talking about
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to see if they are obsessing about this.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol the obsess about everything
they can draw more attention to
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, they’re not dwelling on it. They just did a little ten second blurp about it.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just the beginning...it will get a lot worse, if history tells us anything.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not. But you’re probably right.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is true
ESPN will take a small story and blow it up. They always do
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 12, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This must make John Clayton
way too excited for public
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s because they have the Brett Favre story to get back to! :-P
by phantom818 on Jun 12, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon's Movie of the Week
(sorry meant to post down here, not above.)
Sigh, Brandon… please do the right thing here before we all implode.
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we go...
Angels and ministers of grace defend us now…
by TheMastermind on Jun 12, 2009 10:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, this is a big deal...
When you work for an employer and they say you must be at a meeting because it’s mandatory, you go or you get reprimanded or fired. While I understand his injury, the three-day camp is mandatory. I totally think he should be there with his team, meeting the rookies, getting to know the playbook and proving to coaches he’s worth a long-term contract. It sort of pisses me off that some of these guys think they’re bigger than the team. I think mgmt. has shown that is not the case. That sort of primadonna attitude is long gone. If Marshall isn’t willing to put the team above himself then good riddance. I’ll take Boldin right now for Marshall, and give Boldin a long-term deal. Let’s see, he’s been to a Super Bowl, plays for his teammates, has no trouble with the law, and is an all-around good guy. Hmmm, sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
BMarshall, get your tail to camp, get better, prove that you’re worth a big-time contract and let’s play some ball in 6 weeks and kick some tail in the regular season!
Romans 5:8
by BronconNC on Jun 12, 2009 10:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
This guy is dreaming if he thinks this is going to end well in his favor. The off the field issues are a huge red flag and the Broncs aren’t going to pay him what he wants. I mean this is a guy who is one parking ticket away from a year-long suspension…
by creamy on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract Issues
This makes no sense to me. Unless he suffers some serious catastrophe Marshall is all but guaranteed a huge contract in the very near future.
So maybe he wants to hedge against this but why not go to camp? I am hoping this is more of his concern about his injury and the Bronco medical staff than anything else but dammit…
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
He wants his money and who can blame him.
However you would think he and his agent can see that if Cutler couldn’t hold the organization hostage neither can he.
by gpe999 on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, he has earned his money ON the field, but off the field, he has some work to do.
My head hurts now from all this off-season drama! Next thing you know, we’ll trade Eddie Royal away because he wants a new contract.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Clarification....
The situation is being hugely affected by the possibility of an uncapped year. Marshall is going into his 4th season. Under this CBA, he can become a UFA after this season. Problem is, the CBA expires, and stipulations under a possible uncapped season are that the service time to become Unrestricted goes from 4 years to 6 years.
Obviously, that would be a huge hit to Marshall. Alot of these guys are playing Russian roulette a bit(I think Vince Wilfork is in the same boat)….
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by John Bena on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
BMarsh for Wilfork and Welker?
A man can dream can’t he?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
..but at least Wilfork showed up.
Vince Wilfork reported to the Patriots mandatory minicamp Wednesday because his contract requires it.
He’d still like a new one.
Wilfork, one of the NFL’s best nose tackles, practiced on the first day of New England’s three-day minicamp after skipping all 12 voluntary organized team activities in May and June.
“I signed to a six-year deal. I’m going to meet all my obligations and that’s being here on mandatory stuff,” he said. “I’m still a Patriot and I want to be a Patriot.”
via this AP article
But, the meeting you mentioned could be promising. Hopefully something gets worked out.
by phantom818 on Jun 12, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSG
First time I listened to MNR Radio the other day THANK YOU so much…………..had a big driving day, had you on the iPod 2 hours of Denver Bronco football in the middle of NJ SWEET!
As for Marshall, his timing is horrible, the contract ending is at a bad time for him and his hip injury is a bad thing for him too. Klis reported to day that Brandon met last night with Bowlen and left with a couple boxes of stuff. I hope it was playbooks and films and not him emptying his locker. I think we seriously need to realize Brandon Marshall’s time is probably close to over as a Denver Bronco.
It might be for the best though, Brandon isn’t getting the total team concept.
I guess Gaffney Royal Scheffler and the Rook better step up.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MHR sorry
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lest not read too much into it...yet.
I just hazard us jumping the gun on this.
If BM was doing the same thing WITHOUT a hip injury it would not be such a big deal.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 13, 2009 6:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels seemed
to downplay it today on DB….so lets keep hoping
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind that.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
horrible thought
Bears come calling for Marshall, we trade him for some package of crap and picks.
thankfully McDaniels seems to not think much of ’10 picks, so no real fear yet. :)
by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 11:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a horrible thought. It's giving me shivers just thinking about it.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure they’ve already placed a call. I can’t imagine what they could really offer for him though (or be willing to offer anyway). Ogunleye and Hester?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 12, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’d have to imagine Hester + a 2nd or something similar, yeah.
by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Lance Briggs
Straight up. It gives the Bears the receiver Cutler needs and the Broncos get an all pro linebacker to shore up the defense.
by rocko1 on Jun 12, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow not a bad thought
how about Hester and Briggs I would do that
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 12, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Briggs
Hester will be put back on special teams where he belongs.
by rocko1 on Jun 12, 2009 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love him on Special teams tho
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that!....but not as a WR.....he would lucky other our 6th best WR!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 13, 2009 6:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't just the fact he hasn't turned up ...
I mean, if it was Eddie Royal holding out or Ryan Harris, I would have some faith in them that they are at least getting their head in the playbook so that when they do show up they aren’t too far behind.
Does anyone honestly believe Brandon Marshall is spending his days rehabilitating and putting the required time into studying one of the NFL’s most complex playbooks? No, me neither.
If Brandon does show up to TC in August then my guess is that we will hear 100 reports of how he looks a) out of shape, b) like he has no idea what is going on and c) that he is running his mouth at someone/something.
A sad state of affairs.
by lomaxgr on Jun 12, 2009 11:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly he is in town and will meet with Bowlen later today
http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.brandon.marshall.2.1042216.html
sorry if someone else already posted the link
by creamy on Jun 12, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
This could get interesting….
by Streams Of Whiskey on Jun 12, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to think the absence was excused
if he already has a meeting scheduled with the big boss
by creamy on Jun 12, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting to calm down now.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 12, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, The Excitement The Drama
This Denver offseason should be made into a movie trailer…
One Man, One Team, One Desire….
Drama, Action, Suspense, Cell Phones that Don’t Work…This has it all!
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 12, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Talking to Bowlen a good sign (I hope)
fingers crossed this gets resolved, with him staying!
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 11:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Time to put away the doomsday devices.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 12, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worked for Jay Cutler (oppps!)
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to go to the Angry Dome
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I don’t even remember that episode!
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's one of my favorite lines I quote
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Need to
put on their thinking caps and get something worked out.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 12, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he is in denver
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!
by broncoboy on Jun 12, 2009 11:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually this hold out stuff just drives me nuts
I mean he is under contract. A contract he agreed to, just honor it man. When it’s time then go for the gusto, I’m sure he’ll get what he wants. This is just poor timing, whether he talks to Bowlen or not. He needs to get onboard with this new regime and learn how things work or don’t work. You can’t always go with what you thought you knew.
by bchiper on Jun 12, 2009 11:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
When he signed the contract he didnt know that the CBA would be terminated
so instead of his contract ending after next season and getting a new one then, he wont become a FA for another 2 seasons. I would be trying to get an extension now too. And hes not really holding out. Hes in Denver
by purplesocks on Jun 12, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points PS!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't have a problem with problem trying to get more in an extension.
I just think holding out has more negative than good results. Until he gets that extension he is still under contract and subject to it and its requirements.
by bchiper on Jun 12, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually always side with the player when it comes to the NFL and contract disputes
because the contracts are not guaranteed. I side with Marshall on this one if he is in fact holding out which we don’t even know if thats what hes doing. He is in Denver afterall and its not like he would be practicing anyway
by purplesocks on Jun 12, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone was predicting this
When the 2006 extension to the CBA was signed. The owners hadn’t even opted out at that point.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 12, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Guess we will see by the end of the day, but got to say as one who has defended BM I am pretty disappointed. I dont want to make judgements yet…there could be reasons etc.
Talking to Bowlen seems extreme unless Bowlen asked for the meeting.
Anyway, see how it plays out I guess.
Lets wait till this afternoon before jumping off cliffs!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i was all for trading Marshall
after he tried to pull that glove stunt. but, that’s before we traded Cutler. hopefully he gets his stuff together and this is just the media trying to sell papers again. I want BM to remain a Bronco, but I wouldn’t be opposed to Boldin either
by lolcopter on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My unsolicited BMarsh assessment
Marshall is undeniably a terrific WR, who when he puts his mind to it, especially given his rare combination of agility and size, can be one of the top 5 wideouts in the league.
I also think he’s got a good heart in there, but he has social and emotional problems that he needs to deal with. While I’ve defended him too, and have thought maybe he’s maturing. he seems to still attract off the field distractions enough to the point where you have to worry about him as someone we can get behind long term.
In short, I hope he stays around for awhile because he’s a rare talent, but I also am learning not to count on him long term because stuff follows him around like the cloud of dirt follows Pig Pen from Peanuts. Until he really shows us that the team is first, and that he’s cleaning up his act, well, nothing will surprise me. After awhile it’ll be our fault if we become disappointed with him.
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 11:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Time Bomb
In compiling my 53 man 50th Anniversary roster, I was amazed at those players who had great potential and essentially wasted it in part, including Clarence Kay, Bobby Humphrey and an OT that momentarily escapes my mind as ones who could have been great all-time Broncos.
The Denver wide receiving corps is composed of good role players for each role, but definitely needs BM at the top. I do not agree with some who think we have an outstanding set of receivers even with him and without him, I think we are a house of cards. There is no other receiver for the #1 role.
Given this, I think the Denver offense may look a lot like the Chicago of last year, with a strong rookie running back, a fast, smaller headline receiver, Orton as the QB and not a lot of receiving depth. I am afraid that I see trouble.
Someone please talk me out of it.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 12, 2009 12:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a valid fear, but
differences (these are all imho):
Better OL than Chicago
Better offensive mind at the helm
Better WR’s (even w/o Marshall, but especially with him)
So other than that, it’s the same… ;-) But I understand where that fear comes from.
Not that I’d mind if Knowshon had a season like Matt Forte’s, mind you.
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowshown Will Shine
One McDaniels’ move I am not critical of is the Moreno pick. I think he will have a Forte-type year.
However, Orton is the same guy, the Denver line may be asked to perform differently in this system and it will take time for the line to become used to this new system, but is Royal better than Hester? What about the rest, good possession receivers, but anything more than that?
You have reduced my panic a bit.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 12, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope he averages more than 3.9 a clip!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Royla better than Hester...sorry Balt but you got to be kidding me, right? Hester plays sloppy football and Royal is already playing like a 10 year vet. Youb tell me?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Glad I could help ;-)
I think Knowshown will avg more per carry.
Oh also I think Hester is the best kick returner in the game but Royal is a better wide receiver than he is in my opinion, he’s already a terrific route runner and has great hands. Hester is better as a KR. Stokely’s a great 3rd guy and then they have a bit of depth with guys like Chad Jackson and Gaffney but there are other unproven guys too of course.
Or to put it another way…
by underdog on Jun 12, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Royal better than Hester?
Royal caught 91 balls, and runs great patterns. Hester can catch punts and kickoffs but struggles as a receiver.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OT who could have been great..
i remembered the name, Gerald Perry. Very talented and very troubled.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 12, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago?
There are a few differences. Gaffney would be the #1 receiver in Chi, since Hester’s routes are sloppy and overall, he’s not that great of a WR. They don’t have anyone close to the skillset of Royal or Stokley. While Greg Olsen is very good, Scheffler can out-receiver him easily. Graham and Clark are similar, but Graham has the edge there and Quinn should be very good. Our RB corps is deeper – I really like Forte and Moreno will have to play well to get to his level (although I believe that he can), but we have Hillis, Buckhalter and Jordan. Then one could argue the rookie WRs ad infinitum….
Point is, there aren’t as many similarities as you’d think at one glance. The biggest difference is that the Bears have Ron Turner and Lovie Smith, while we have Bobby Turner (YES!), Rick Dennison, Mike McCoy and Josh McDaniels. I doubt that Marshall will hold out, but if he did? We’re still in very good shape.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 12, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bummer. I could care less if guys like Gaffney buy into the McDaniels program, but we need the Champ Bailey’s, DJ Williams, Ryan Clady’s and Brandon Marshall’s to get behind the Coach. If they don’t, this team is doomed in 2009.
by McGeorge on Jun 12, 2009 12:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaffney's not buying the system
he’s selling it
by lolcopter on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I wish some of Shanny’s vets would sell it to. The Coach will need BM as much as BM needs the paycheck.
It’s not easy to replace 103 catches and 1,200 yards per season from a 24 year old.
This off season sucks.
by McGeorge on Jun 12, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason
You wrote: “This off season sucks.”
Again, I agree with you.
Of course, I hate change.
Dull it hasn’t been.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 12, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the difference between us
I don’t hate change at all. I hate three mediocre seasons in a row.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jun 13, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but it seems like Champ and DJ are doing their part. even the Denver Post was reporting how DJ is eager to learn his new position (yet again!) and Champ welcomes the additional help in the secondary. i think the defense HAS to buy into the new system, because they don’t have much leverage after last year.
on the offensive sign, the o-line will hopefully be the anchor, and the new additions of moreno should excite the other offensive players. Royal seems to be a class act, and has the huge potential for growth whatever his new role may be. I’m not too surprised at BM acting this way (but at this point I’m not reading too much into it), but everything I’ve seen from him I think he is on board (his comment about following the guys with the rings, etc.)
this off-season does suck, and sometimes change is coming a bit too fast for people to adjust, but I think that will quickly fade once we start playing games. having said that, we better get some W’s real quickly, or else people will play the “what if” game all season long
by lolcopter on Jun 12, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, the drama
i had hoped for a package deal before the draft sending bm somewhere for def. line stud. i recognize, when on the field, he can be a game changer. but, because of off field behavior, he can also change games by not being available. what’s done is done, now is the time to unload this albatross. i’m still forecasting 4-12 this year, bummer.
by golfdoc on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Medical Condtion
I wonder how much of this is generated by his displeasure with the medical staff incorrectly diagnosing and not recognizing his hip injury and distrust of their approach to his medical rehab. My understanding is that he went to Florida to pursue rehab with a medical team he trusted. Perhaps he’s meeting with Bowlen to ask permission to do rehab there instead of Denver. He wasn’t cleared to practice yet anyway.
by Ponderosa on Jun 12, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
this is what i am thinking too
we dont know the whole story and its not like he can even practice anyway
by purplesocks on Jun 12, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if he's not progressing?
It’s possible that Brandon isn’t healing properly, and that the reason why he’s rehabbing in FL is to hide that fact from the Broncos while his agent tries to fit his golden parachute.
Just a thought.
by Velveeta on Jun 12, 2009 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like the Post is reporting that he is meeting with McDaniels......
i’m sure it is with both Mcdaniels and Bowlen
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by mdierk on Jun 12, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Overreaction 101
Can anyone post the link, or reference something, when claiming that BM has “demanded” a raise, or stated his intention to hold out? Because all I’ve seen from comments above is doomsayin.
Did anyone think that maybe he doesn’t want to show up for rehab? Doesn’t he not trust the medical staff at DV? You know, the same staff that couldn’t diagnose a problem with it’s STARTING QB losing 30lbs of weight late in 2007? The same staff that Tony Sheffler doesn’t care to rehab, and work out, with? I could be wrong, and I don’t mind being called on it…
…but c’mon, guys.
Maybe he’s telling Bowlen about that today.
No inspirational quote here, just this...GO BRONCOS!!!
by Zogernaut on Jun 12, 2009 1:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points Zog...now aint the time to panic and McD does not seem that worried!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for our medical staff and Rich Tuten
I think their should be some red flags…..this Marsahll incident……they couldn’t find out Cutler had diabetes…Scheffler indeed preferred to work out with the Nuggets trainer and how many people have last in the last few years to similar injuries and muscle pulls?
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a reasonable question
I’m curious what some of our resident MHR physicians might say about it. Could our recent spate of injuries been worsened by misdiagnosis or overstrenuous conditioning, or is this just what we (and Brandon Marshall) should expect when you play football?
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a link that is a fanshot I put up as well..
http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/coach-mcdaniels-on-marshall/
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Jun 12, 2009 1:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Riddle:
Q: When is a contract not a contract?
A: When a professional athlete’s signature is on it.
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Jun 12, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A: When the NFL team decides to cut you to save money
by purplesocks on Jun 12, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that option is in every contract a player and team sign
so actually that is part of the contract.
It is a bit one sided but as a football and baseball fan, I hate it that if you sign a lame baseball player you always have to eat the contract. Football you don’t, so you dismiss and recoup your expected expeditures.
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone has blown this way too far out of proportion.
It’s not any different than a lot of players in the NFL, at least he has a good reason. Few players fully recover from hip surgery in his position, so I can’t blame him for being skeptical of Denver’s medical staff. After last season, wouldn’t you all be skeptical too? I believe fully that Marshall just wants to receive the best care he can so he can be back playing solid football for the BRONCOS. He doesn’t seem like a guy that just wants to jump ship for this or that. Does anyone remember how he felt when Cutler pussed out? I sure the hell do, in fact, it’s my signature.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Jun 12, 2009 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course we're blowing it out of proportion...
What are we gonna do, watch baseball?
by Velveeta on Jun 12, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point Velveeta.
I rescind my previous comment based on that. hahahaha
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Jun 13, 2009 5:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Coach, I am Hurt, Not Dead - Remember the Titans
by Halfmile on Jun 12, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
love that quote
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Said it before and I'll say it again.
I think this is an opportunity — we should pay him and pay him now. It’s not like he’s in the middle of his contract or hasn’t produced for us. The other issues he’s had actually work more for us than against us in this scenario in terms of leverage. I think it’s a good opportunity for us, if we sign a new contract now.
The only way an incentive-based contract signed right now could possibly hurt us is if we don’t reach a CBA next year, which would give us Brandon for two more years on his current salary. But in that scenario (a) I don’t think it would be fair to the man and while I wouldn’t like it in that case I couldn’t blame him for forcing a trade (which, in my view, is exactly what Cutler did), and (b) I’m with Guru in my expectations that a new deal will be in place by then.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 12, 2009 6:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
(b)
referring to the CBA.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 12, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Broncos might be tipping
the strategy of the owners and what Bowlen expects in the negotiations?
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 13, 2009 6:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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