Broncos medical staff should be fired
The Broncos medical staff is an absolute joke and should have been canned right along with Shanny. Here is why:
- Cutler's diabetes goes undiagnosed- There is not excuse whatsoever for this debacle. A person loses 30 lbs, and has ALL of the signs of diabetes, and it goes undiagnosed until the end of the year? Routine testing would have caught this illness way before the end of the year. In my line of work, I would have been fired on the spot for being so grossly negligent.
- Marshall's injury goes undiagnosed- Even though the medical staff said that nothing showed up on the x-rays, i dont believe that for a minute. If someone has issues with their hip, and is in obvious pain, you make 1000% sure there is nothing wrong with it. A hip injury can be career threatning. Again, no excuse for this example of mal-practice.
If I was Marshall, I would stay away from Denver too.
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add all the injuries on both sides of the football...
i’ll drink to that!
by lolcopter on Jun 12, 2009 4:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And 37 running backs in a season.
These guys need to go.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 12, 2009 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they should
They should be fired and replaced by the medical firm that the Phoenix Suns contract with. They revitalized Shaq’s career, have kept the injury prone Steve Nash from getting hurt, got Amare back from an injury that typically spells the end of a career (micro fracture knee surgery).
by azBroncosfan87 on Jun 12, 2009 4:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
strength and Conditioning
were a problem too. Way too many pulled Hammys and Groins.
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by KaptainKirk on Jun 12, 2009 4:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree!
I thought this all of last year. As they kept growing in numbers, I seriously questioned the strength and conditioning. You are right, way to many!
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by kybroncomaniac on Jun 12, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! i agree 100%
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by broncoboy on Jun 12, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hire the Nuggets trainer
He got Nene and K-mart through an entire season, that Aussie is cool.
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by Broncoman on Jun 12, 2009 5:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tuten
Honestly, we’ve had this guy a long time and I’ve heard nothing but great things…
However… However, so many MANY injuries, and it’s been a long time since it seemed like the Broncos—playing at altitude at home—were able to take over in the fourth quarter. This should be standard! Back in the El-day, that was a given—the Broncs might lose, but they’d rarely get bullied in the fourth quarter at home. Partly due to the QB, but it seems like there’s conditioning issues as well. I’m just sayin’…
by oxmouth on Jun 12, 2009 6:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tuten and most of the med staff should go
I said this last year when player after player fell to injury. As many of you have said, it also struck me as weird that Cutler would have the symptoms he had and went undiagnosed. I’m not sure who’s responsible, but the house needs to be cleaned.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Jun 12, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Something has to be done.
I have never seen so many injuries and medical issues in the past few season like we have dealt with. I mean something is seriously wrong. I mean didn’t we have several groin injuries the past couple seasons? There is no way our luck is that bad.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Jun 12, 2009 7:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been preaching this for a long time.
They are absolutely terrible and need to be fired immediately. This is just getting ridiculous.
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by GarretBarnes on Jun 12, 2009 8:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh nice to see I'm not alone in this thought
I’ve been questioning the quality of work from our S&C and medical staffs for awhile as well… but I did not really have concrete numbers to back it up.
I’m still hoping someone will do some analysis on the number of injuries we’ve had in the last 3-4 years as compared to other teams to either back up or discredit the theory.
by tunga77 on Jun 12, 2009 8:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Get Bill Romanowski as a strength/conditoning advisor!
He was attempting interviews with Bowlen and other professional organizations a bit back, if I remember right, including (gag) Oakland (hasn’t been hired by anyone, to my knowledge)…
Just make sure the wrong side of his on-field attitude isn’t somehow encouraged by his presence, LoL…
We should get objective (non NFL fan) and non-objective (Bronco Fan) medical staff, so when the pressure is on and off, you have equal opportunity for proper care and maintenance, if you catch my drift there…. Wouldn’t that be clever (and more expensive)?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 12, 2009 10:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article indeed! The nfl is NOT paying enough attention to the players needs and they have decided that it shouldn’t matter. PLEASE! I saw Jay when he played that year he was diagnosed and I was worried about him because he didn’t look healthy and had lost so much weight. I was shocked at the late diagnosis because he could’ve gone into a diabetic coma or suffered organ damage. No one wants to see that happen. BMarsh was told he was fine-UNTRUE! He was playing hurt and he had to be in alot of pain. He was deceived by the people he had entrusted with his livelihood. The medical teams that are employed in sports appear to be more concerned with keeping them on the field longer even if it damages their health and shortens their career. This is another example of the type of ABUSE that exists in professional sports because they are treated as property instead of being respected as a human being. I believe that they suffer from alot of neglect in the nfl that ranges from disability payments to psychological help that isn’t made available. There have been TOO many horror stories about players once their careers are over. Marshall left to go seek treatment because he knew something was wrong and he was right in doing so- that’s a serious issue and I don’t care how much the staff may be liked, they failed and it could’ve cost one of them their life. I believe that EVERY team in the nfl needs to take a long and hard look at their personnel and determine if they’re doing the right things. A person will play professional football for a short period of time, but they’ll have a lifetime to deal with any complications that arise from not being cared for properly. It makes me angry that his body was "raging " out of control and no one stopped it and Marshall was left to decide on his own if there was really something wrong. Two young men full of life-it could’ve changed in an instant.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 13, 2009 1:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Dosn't he want a new deal though?
That is what i don’t get. If he wants a new deal then he would be signing up for another how many ever seasons with the same staff. If that was truly his biggest problem he porbably wouldn’t want to sign in denver at all. On the other hand though he has deffenitly earned a raise in my mind. If he isn’t worth more than 2mil and some change then i really might start having some serious doubts about what the plan is. i know he has been in some trouble but i think he is a top 5 wideout. Not to mention he is the youngest I see at that status. And truly would anybody around here want to miss out on that smile come sunday afternoon. I know I wouldn’t and I prey we give him what he is worth. Please McD give him what he wants. Pease Please Please
by BryGoodland on Jun 13, 2009 2:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do I begin
First of all, diagnosing Type I diabetes is not straightforward and routine tests are frequently normal early in the disease, so it is certainly not a cause for criticism of the medical staff that Cutler’s diabetes went undiagnosed. Indeed they had tested him with several batteries of tests during the course of the season with completely normal results when trying to ascertain the cause of his weight loss, which could have had many different reasons.
Marshall had an MRI before the season and at week six which were interpreted as normal. It should be understood how difficult it can be to see some injuries because the findings may be so subtle as to be variations of normal. At surgery there are frequently findings that were not even suspected by noninvasive tests. As good as imaging studies are with new technology they are far from infallible. In Marshall’s case, an MRI after the season revealed the injury which could only be seen on earlier studies in retrospect. Calling for dismissal of the medical team is rash and irresponsible and tries to blame instead of find appropriate solutions.
by Ponderosa on Jun 13, 2009 6:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said, Ponderosa.
Can someone help me out here…
Who watches the doctors? Does the head coach have a say in it? I just wonder if Coach McDaniels was so adamant about getting the best staff here, why would he leave the medical staff alone unless they were fine? Do we even know if they were retained?
Also, this one is faint, but I remember reading some praise for Tuten’s work in getting the injured players back in playing form; although, I also remember reading Bear (I think) talking about wincing after watching Bailey stretching and possibly further damaging his tendons or muscles or something like that, so this is possibly a wash.
Anyway, if the medical staff are so bad as to warrant immediate mass-firings, then Coach McWhizzkid (sic) not doing something about (changing the players’ diets not being drastic enough) means he’s either incredibly stupid or knows something about this whole matter that us mere observers are not privy to.
I’m willing to bet on the latter.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 13, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the training staff falls under the province of the GM and Headcoach, but not the medical staff
Greek’s staff operates separately, but intimately with Tuten’s staff (essentially Tuten and Greg Saporta I believe, plus their “gophers”).
The medical staff is the province of the owner and COO on most clubs.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 13, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Styg.
Guess my point here goes out the window. * cough-cough *
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 13, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rash and irresponsible?
Routine testing is done to diagnose diabetes. A “battery” of tests done on Cutler should have diagnosed the problem without issue. Its very obvious they did not do the appropriate tests. As a result, they should have been canned.
The Villyn
by The Villyn on Jun 13, 2009 7:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
rememberthe time Billy Bob passed out during the game and got our star QB Lance Harbor hurt! And then Coach Kilmer tried to talk Wendell Brown into taking a cortisone shot in his leg! Good thing Jonathan Moxon was there to save the day…
All kidding aside, I agree with everyone. I too thought it was strange that we had all these guys pulling hamstrings. Aren’t pulled hamstrings usually the result of improper hamstring curls and poor stretching?!
by Vandylaxn21 on Jun 13, 2009 7:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear has speculated
that over-training the quads (think squats, which are the ‘glory’ of manly men everywhere, along with nice sternum crushing bench reps on a bar..) is leading to unbalanced lower body conditioning.
I’ll buy that.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 13, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have, but specified that this is a problem when done without sufficient training of the balancing musculature
I checked in with other folks who I considered to be experts on both issues. The most recent studies seem to be clear that stretching a groin tear prior to it healing fully can and does re-tear fibers. The biggest issue on overtraining the quads, btw, is in using machines, although you can create imbalance with free weights as well.
I agree with Ponderosa regarding the issue of non-invasive testing, i.e. MRIs. I’ve dealt with case after case in which radiation testing has been inaccurate – contrary to the public’s perception, our level of development in testing simply isn’t good enough to be expected to be 100%. As far as Cutler, I would be very concerned about a QB losing that kind of weight with that level of exhaustion. However – we don’t know enough here, guys. Tests can be inaccurate. Villyn’s comment that a battery of tests would show X isn’t accurate. Again – after a few decades in clinic, you learn that things just aren’t cut and dried and there are anomalies that would stun you. I’m not ready to assume anything. since I don’t know what tests were run or when, I wouldn’t jump the gun and cry conspiracy or malpractice.
I will say this. Yes, a few of the things that Fatsis (A Few Seconds of Panic) wrote bothered me – they looked, if he’s even accurate (and he’s a layman writing about observing a medical interaction and could have gotten it wrong), as sloppy. Be that as it may, we will always have a certain problem when people are paid by the league and by the team, whose main perspective is more ‘Can he play’ than ‘What is the best thing for his heath?’ After all – playing pro football isn’t good for your health. I tend to be on the side the believes that in the next collective bargaining agreement there should be a clause permitting players to seek outside opinions without prejudice or fear of reprisal by the teams. That would go a long way to balancing this situation and creating a greater level of transparency.
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by Emmett Smith on Jun 13, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on the CBA
I think Shanahan was part of the problem. It’s well known that a short cut to his doghouse was not practicing because of injuries. Ironic for someone who nearly died from a football injury.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 13, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a shortcut to any coach's doghouse
i think shanahan was relatively patient with his players. (‘relatively’ meaning relative to other coaches in the nfl.)
in any case, if they were faking injuries he’d ferret them out with his lie detector test. :-)
by oxmouth on Jun 13, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the current CBA
has language dealing with “second opinions” in medical issues. As in, a player has a right to them. I’ll peruse it later and see if there is anything interesting in there….
Good stuff Doc and SWG!
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 14, 2009 1:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with BroncoBear that stretching a torn (pulled) hamstring or groin, will just tear the muscle fibers more. You should shorten the muscles, not stretch them and cause more damage.
Of course, once the muscles have healed, you can start slowly stretching them and yes, playing again will cause small tears, but that’s part of the healing process. A badly torn hamstring can keep re-tearing for up to 2 years after the original injury has fully healed.
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by Cardiologist on Jun 14, 2009 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not over training per say...
its more complicated than that. First, a lot of players do squats to develop leg drive. But there are other reasons as well, bulking up being the chief one. The quads are big muscles that respond well to weight training. Hence one of the fastest ways to gain weight is to bulk up the quads.
Training the quads by itself isn’t the problem. It’s training the quads disproportionately to the other muscles. Modern training stresses training muscles in opposing pairs so they don’t become unbalanced. Too many players, especially at the HS level, are training their quads without training the hamstrings as well. The other problem is that squats mostly training the rectus femorus. The other muscles in the thigh, especially the VMO, are crucial to maintain proper tracking of the kneecap. Training imbalances lead to eccentric tracking of the kneecap and eventual deterioration of the knee. In addition, it places the knee joint in a less stable position making the player more susceptible to injuries.
Oops I see bear just posted so I’ll defer to the good doc
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 13, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Ok
I just gave a more general explanation than your anyway ;-) Nice job, my friend
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by Emmett Smith on Jun 13, 2009 11:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you both for that insight
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by KaptainKirk on Jun 13, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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