Adam Schefter -- Brandon Marshall wants out of Denver
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Should we jump now?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 15, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on if you believe in fantasy football
or team football. The pundits will go nuts about it. But I don’t think it makes that big a difference.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 15, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Couldn’t agree more….we still have plenty of weapons.
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by Broncotodd on Jun 16, 2009 6:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what Brandon wants
He’s under contract- make him play.
Enough of this crap already.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
that theory worked real well with the last guy who wanted out
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Jun 15, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
B/c the two are the exact same
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I'm sure that came off a little smug...
I really was more making a joke than anything…only because we heard that a lot with the Cutler deal. I understand they are different but I just found it funny that’s all. Sorry if I offended.
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
by Denverjhawk on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you didn't offend
I just recall saying the exact same thing about cutler too, LOL
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was offended!!!! How DARE you? I demand satisfaction!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure this hilarious for you guys.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jun 15, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax pal
It’s not easy on anyone, but what can you, as a fan, do about it? Yeah, that’d be nada. Me, I’ll take humor over uselessly gnashing my teeth to dust over something I have zero control over.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 16, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol?
Yessa massa i git rite on dat.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I’ve gotten very tired of the guy. How about a conditional pick for him, or I like the idea of Anquan Boldin, who wants out of Arizona.
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by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What a great idea! I'd even give Brandon and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Anquan.
Anyone wanting to keep playing with a seriously broken face needs to be on my team. Puts real meaning back in smash-mouth!
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by Mike Clark on Jun 15, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schefter did say something that I have agreed with all along. To paraphrase, the way the Broncos handled the Cutler situation established a blue print for players who may want a ticket out of town (and demonstrated that it was a real possibility). In the end they basically gave Cutler exactly what he wanted…why wouldn’t another player who is unhappy with his contract, the coach, or the team try the exact same route?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 15, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Marshall will not even bring a 3rd of the cache we got for Cutler.
Here’s the funny thing with this.
I dont think Denver will miss Cutler one bit…but they may miss Marshall even more.
I have a feeling that Bowlen wants him gone…just the stance he took feels weird.
I also think BM is jealous of Royal and wants to be the star….he has that trait in common with his bum chum Cutler. Shit, I would tae Boldin in a heart beat…..and I was Marshall’s biggest supporter but I am over him now.
Later knucklehead!
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by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We agree, Boydy
Get rid of him. If we could get Boldin for him straight up (BM would have to pass a physical) it would be great. Or, trade him to Detroit for a concitional pick. I said on another thread that the problem with giving him his way is it would be another step on a slippery slope, but on reflection, I’m thinking that McD is putting together a great group of team oriented people, and BM is just not on the bus. Get rid of him.
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by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't Boldin
A disgruntled WR who wants to leave his team because he wants more money? A team that just went to the Super Bowl?
by Gorbal on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
He stilled showed up and played…and played hard. he is loved by his team mates. Very different.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boydy I agree Boldin is brave player
and I would love to swap them if Arizona would do it but Boldin doesn’t have the baggage Marsahll does and Arizona could not be that stupid could they? If they are that stupid lets ask for Fitzgerald ;-)
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by dmitchell624 on Jun 15, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
now they're chums
how long since you folks praised BM for dogging JC… ( The ONLY teammate that has!!!)
OMFG!
…did u say shit?
BTW bring on Boldin bt careful of the price! We’re betting EVERYFREAKINGTHING on McD’s offensive mind… he’ll either succeed or fail based on his performance. As far as BM…
Our future rests on bigger deals than him. He is the jerk you folks have labeled JC as! (or maybe they both are)
It’s about team right now!!!!!
If he wants out… either fire McD or stand by him and ditch BM for the highest bid!
Go Broncos!!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
QBs and WRs are different. QBs are the face of the franchise, an extension of the coach on the field. There has to be trust there – two-way trust.
WR’s are different. They want to be the face of the franchise, and think they are that important, but really, they aren’t. Look at the way Cincy has handled Chad Johnson, and Johnson has neither the injury history or off-field history of Marshall.
For better or worse, the Broncos could let Marshall rot on the sidelines…
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by John Bena on Jun 15, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could let him rot
but I just can’t see Pat Bowlen doing that unless it became critical to send a message to the team. Seems like the risk to team chemistry would just be way too high at a time when we’re putting a premium on gelling as a team.
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by broncosmontana on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me
the team chemistry is already working without Brandon Marshall. The team is moving forward with or without Brandon. They have not stopped working to install the new offense just because he isn’t there. I would agree he is a distraction but only a minor one. I think the team in general will loose the respect they had/have for Brandon if he continues down this path. He only hurts himself in the long run. I just don’t see this management team giving in easily to his demands at this point.
by bchiper on Jun 15, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't either
And I hope they don’t – I think John’s on to something above….
- Let him rot on the sidelines, this is definitely not being a good role model to anyone else on the team (if they’re dim enough to let him sway their character) – or young fans/players.
I think it was said at the onset of this issue – BAD TIMING Brandon – wait (like players normally seem to) about mid-season to work ot contract, or worry about it and ruin your chances to remain part of THIS team, unless he doesn’t care about THIS, Our team…..
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Could
But in hindsight imagine if they had traded Chad when he originally wanted to. They could have gotten top receiver value for a guy who hasn’t done them any good the last few years and who isn’t worth half of that in the market now.
I would say the same about KC and Larry J. If KC had traded him when they were offered the world for him imagine how much better off they could be as a team.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the worst part...
IMO… the absolute right thing to do would be to hold BMarsh to his contract, even let him sit this year, if that be the case. However, every game he sits… he looses value.
If you can get value out of him now… I think you have to ship him out.
If not… (Neither Boldin or B. Edwards got any teams to bite this offseason) then I think you have to make a decision now to hold him to his contract… tell him he can either sit or play… and don’t budge an inch.
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with Kfus and the Rev. If this thing isn’t going to work out then it’s in the Broncos best interest to trade him now when we can at least get SOMETHING for him. If he rides the bench this season he’s going to be relatively worthless as a trading chip (I think).
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 15, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that is where the guesses are coming in.
It’s not like his value is great right now. Coming off surgery, hasn’t played a snap since the surgery, and also having a court case pending in a few months will not make his value very high.
So, we either wait and hope some of this stuff clears up and works itself out so his value increases or we cut our losses.
I think we should wait and hope his value increases. Because face it, with all the trouble BM has had, we should at least wait for him to go out and show that he is either 1) unaffected by the hip surgery or 2)not guilty of beating up Wiley.
It doesn’t really hurt us to keep him around a year, even if he doesn’t play. It’s only 2 mil from the cap to see where this whole thing leads us. Whereas if we let him go, we are really not getting much at all for him.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he has plenty of value
He played half a season on that hip plus his numb hand and still had a pretty darn good year despite not scoring as many TD’s as he could have. I blame that on the Red Zone problems in 2008. I DON’T think that we can get a good value from draft picks, because as many here have stated, that is a crapshoot. At least trading him for Boldin is a #1 for a #1 receiver.
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by KaptainKirk on Jun 15, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot was because of JC's decision making in the red zone.
But he had surgery on that hip. Sure, he played with it injured, but then he had invasive surgery on that hip and nobody knows how he is gonna play on it.
Plus, he has a pending court case, which means he may miss games if he is found guilty (or a whole year, depending on what mood Goddell is in).
Plus, even when he was playing, he dropped WAY too many catcheable balls.
If we can get Boldin, I say we go for it. The problem is that Arizona will not stand for that. It would make zero sense for them to straight up trade their WR for ours. There are just too many question marks with BM to force a straight up trade with a probowl receiver with no question marks.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was hoping that Arizona would trade Boldin straight up, but with the issues surrounding BM, I don’t see that as an option right now unless Boldin does something rash and holds out from the Cards and says there is no way he will play for them.
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by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
" I believe he has plenty of value "
Let’s hope so. And let’s hope that another team or two think the same way. Because I don’t think he’ll be in Denver this fall. It’s not unusual for tow teams to trade two disgruntled players. After all, that is basically what happened in the Champ for Portis trade.
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by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A month as a special teams only player
might wake him up
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by dmitchell624 on Jun 15, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What value?
Brandon is injured, has a trial pending, and has potentially permanent nerve damage in his wrist from the “McDonald’s bag.” I doubt any team in the league will give up anything substantial given the risk that comes along with BM.
I think the only way this holdout makes any sense for Marshall is if he’s in doubt as to whether he’ll ever be able to play up to the potential of his rookie season.
by Velveeta on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst off-season this franchise has probably had in years.
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by broncoholic on Jun 15, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why??? I totally disagree holic....
Cutler was never a fit here….even when Shanny was here.
Is BM the type of player you want considering the new team first mentality we are brining in.
He leaves…he leaves and we will get something good for him.
he stays, he plays…..whatever.
I think it has been a very solid off season, and better than I have seen from this team in years.
got to break some eggs to mae an omelteet my friend!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with getting rid of Cutler, not Marshall. If San Diego lost Philip Rivers and Tomlinson,
would we be saying that they are going to be awesome next year. It’s hard seeing a lot of positives right now in Bronco Nation. We cannot trade every single player who is a little unhappy.
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by broncoholic on Jun 15, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just a possibility and if it makes the team better eg Getting Boldin thats a great thing!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
If Rivers and Tomlinson decide they want out of SD then ya it would be better to get rid of them. Is this the ideal? No… but I think it is a symptom of years spent getting these type of guys.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Marshall won't be 2007 Marshall
It’s a good possibility that Brandon won’t ever recover the explosiveness of his rookie year. I think that’s why he’s rehabbing far away from the prying eyes of the team.
IMO, the broncos will “miss” Brandon Marshall, even if he’s on the field this year.
by Velveeta on Jun 16, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I stoked (or Stokley) for the new season
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by dmitchell624 on Jun 15, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
holic u are dead on!
And NEVER doubt it!
“Cutler was never a fit here….even when Shanny was here.”
This idea is a MHR minority opinion!
I don’t want a MFing ‘omelteet’
Goodness gracious!
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the best...maybe they're just cleaning up after Mike Shannahan's 'blind spot'.
Two super athletes with maturity and personality issues wanting out…there’s all sorts of math that can be applied to it and it all doesn’t end with Bowlen and McDaniels being the problem.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it just highlights what the problem has been all along
the problem that McDaniels was brought in to fix.
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by spock on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think this is the nail on the head. I think this is highlighting the attitude that was permeating the Bronco organization.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that regard
BM could be a Huge cancer in the locker room
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by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dangerous Situation
I know it could be tough to get value for him but I would go into negotiations with the idea that we have an offer of a contract but if that doesn’t work you are out the door faster than you know what hit you.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"when they find the center of the universe, i know quite a few people that are going to be upset it isn't them" dmitchell624
by dmitchell624 on Jun 15, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hold on a sec
It’s certainly been chaotic, but in 3 years we may look back and say it was the best off-season we’ve had in years (maybe we had some great pickups and dumped head cases). Or maybe it will be the worst (maybe we got more busts, like past FA years, plus lost a Hall of Fame qb). But, like the draft, it’s still too early to tell.
by Gorbal on Jun 15, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
go after Boldin
we don’t need receivers who fumble, and run backwards and sideways more than forward
love ya BM, but you’re no Eddie Royal
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 1:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
si senior
is this boldin talk just wishful thinking tho? i love Q and if he was to come over to the mile high city id be asking “brandon who?”
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
but I just don’t see it happening. Unless things get ugly between AZ and Boldin, it wouldn’t make much sense for them… unless Brandon would agree to play for much less $$$… and that seems to be contrary to his current course of action.
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Boldin any different from Marshall?
I am confused on trading Boldin for Marshall? Yes, both are great receivers, but they both seem to have the same sort of me-first attitudes
by Bustafluff on Jun 15, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Boldin has never had the opportunity to be WR#1
in Denver, he can have that chance. receivers by their very nature are “me-first” players. I’d rather take my chances with Boldin, who has less off field issues
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin doesn't have the off-field issues.
And Arizona slapped him in the face. Lets say Eddie Royal (Fitzgerald) signed a big long term deal and the team told Marshall to hold tight and well see? I’d want out too.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Rather not be Marshall-for-anybody, but...
..it looks like, courtesy BM, we have to speculate now. Why not trade similar talent for similar talent? The problem is that Arizona isn’t interested in paying Anquan Boldin the money Brandon Marshall wants to get paid. Why would Marshall appeal to them? Arizona has said all along that they love AB immensely, they just aren’t going to pay two guys #1 money. That’d be a great trade for us and less than a wash for the Cards.
If Denver has to deal BM, it’ll be a second rounder or maybe get lucky and get Braylon Edwards out of the mix. A super trade this will not be.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is...
The Cardinals know that Boldin will play for them, no matter how he feels.
They would be fools to trade a healthy Boldin for multiple risk Marshall.
I agree it sounds good for us, which is why Arizona would never do it..
Based on the market, they won’t get anything other than maybe a late round draft choice at best if Marshall is traded.
by AlanC on Jun 15, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin 16 TD's last year, BM 5. Boldin is a warrior, plays hurt and gives it all for his team....
I did not hear Jay Cutler or any other player on the roster say they would give some of their money up to keep him. Thats what Kurt Warner did for Boldin!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner got his.
And Arizona isn’t going to pay 2 wr’s number 1 money.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...but he is beloved by his team...always has been. Can we say the same about BM????
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
I am tired of all this whinning about contracts and what-not. The only thing that cures this whole situation is winning.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That we agree on my friend....i am at the I dont give a crap stage really!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I say boot the whiners out of town now. Get value for them. Look everyone else in the eye on the team and say “We only want people who want to be here and win.”
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I have a saying I post at the beginning of every season that I make my players read daily . . . “You are either with US or against US.”
Which is it Brandon? Are you with US? Or are you against US? If he is not with us, then get him out of here for whatever you can get. The message MUST be sent to the team and the fans that these Broncos are about TEAM first; something I have been waiting for for a long time.
Go Broncos!
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by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"And Arizona isn’t going to pay 2 wr’s number 1 money."
But Denver could pay Boldin, and AZ could pay BM a reasonable amount. It would be a way out of an impasse for both teams. Anyway, I’m more than ready to see BM leave if it would bring AB here.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Brandon Marshall
is the type of guy, who at this point, is going to play for “a reasonable amount.” He wants superstar money
by Bustafluff on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a 3 team trade???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Arizona doesn't get a wr in return?
I don’t know. Someone would have to be buying low.
IIRC, Arizona is strapped on cap room. If we hadn’t traded the 2nd of the upcoming years 1st rounders this would be easier.
Denver sends Marshall to Giants for 2nd rounder, Broncos send Giants 2nd rounder, own second rounder, and 4th rounder to AZ? I don’t really know the values of the players, but a straight up swap WILL NOT happen.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
There are 4 guys on the WR market who want out. OchoCinco, BM, Boldin, and maybe Edwards. Take your pick. Either way, trades will be really difficult. Now trading Marshall to a team for picks or a player from a different position makes more sense.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If i had to choose between Johnson, Boldin and Edwards
Straight up for Marshall then my order would be.
1.Boldin
2.Chad johnson
3. The fumble and drop machine Edwards
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I wouldn’t want Chad if they paid us to take him. I would rather take Edwards with the hope that some decent training and scheming my help him.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing can help Edwards
and Edwards is just as big of a prima dona. Chad Talks alot on the field and to the media but he never gets in trouble off the field. Chad really is not a bad guy, he just likes attention. I think Chad has learned his leason. He has not talked bad about anyone this whole offseason. All chad is saying now is that he is refocused and wants to come back with a vengence. Ochocinco over edwards any day of the week
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is a bit over the top.
Nothing can help Edwards, I don’t know about that. But even if you got Chad at his best I wouldn’t want him based on all the gimmicks and drama. He doesn’t fit the mold of a player that I want.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chad does not fit the mold
then really none of these players do. They all in their own ways prima donas.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But I think Chad takes things to a level beyond even the others.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
The only thing he does the other guys dont is crazy TD celebrations. Thats it.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think You
are too easy on Chad. He pulls stupid stunts on and off the field whether he is scoring TDs or not.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad really is not a bad guy, he just likes attention.
Sounds alot like a guy named Terrel if you ask me
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That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 15, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad is nothing like TO
TO is the ultimate me first player that has ripped apart multiple teams. Chad rarely talks bad about his teammates and rarely runs his mouth negatively to the media about negative stuff. When it comes down to camp and game time Chad shuts up and plays
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad is nothing like TO
TO is the ultimate me first player that has ripped apart multiple teams. Chad rarely talks bad about his teammates and rarely runs his mouth negatively to the media about negative stuff. When it comes down to camp and game time Chad shuts up and plays
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip doesn't call him Team Obliverator for nothing......
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just excited Chad Johnson's agent has joined us on MHR ;-)
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by dmitchell624 on Jun 15, 2009 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
too bad BM didn’t cry earlier. We could have included him in a deal to cleveland earlier in the offseason. Cutler and BM for Edwards and Quinn and a bunch of picks. That would have simplified this whole thing. But, we are where we are and this late into the offseason a trade is going to be difficult.
JK about the quinn thing by the way. I was being a little sarcastic. I like orton.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn! Harumph Harumph Harumph
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again.......
We could all sing the “I can be your hero, Brady” song from Mike and Mike in the Morning. hahahahaha.
So, there is at least ONE good thing about a Quinn trade. lol.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure that wasn't
Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods?
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 15, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
They spoofed the original so that Mike Golic would have a theme song for his love of the Browns. They tried to turn it over to Greenburg when Quinn was rumored to be trade bait to the jets.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be great but...
it seems that right now… not many teams are ready to jump for a WR.
Some WR’s are available right now, with equal talent, and they haven’t moved. How do you get any value for a “returning from injury” player who has ton’s of off-field baggage. One more off-field issue (even a minor one) and he could be gone for a whole season. That is going to be a very tough sell.
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he SAID it...
DID HE DO IT?
duh
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but think that Schefter is...
…part of the MSM now and will say anything for ratings. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
by solace on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
somehow that was my first idea too…
I am (maybe was, dunno) a big schefter fan..only journalist out there i would trust…
We’ll see what happens.
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by BroncosNL on Jun 15, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Let’s not forget that he works for the Eeeevul Empire now.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahah
Yes exactly!
He probably has a clause in his contract which forces him to spread X amount of rumors each day :P
Once people hear this, they will tune in to SportCenter to see if it’s true.
It’s all conspiracy! Lol!
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by BroncosNL on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
They get paid based on clicks generated to stories…. BASTARDS!! {{grin}}
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that is true
NFLN gives their people a lot more freedom where ESPN people always are reporting and saying the same thing.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's hope not
he’s the last one i trust too.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing that I think would make all of us angry would be, is if he is traded to Chicago for draft picks.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago
doesn’t have any picks left.
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by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They gave us that. We traded it to Sea.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or our own.
Either way, Bears don’t have 1st round pick in 2010.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Braylon Edwards?
Does it have to be a WR? I would think there would have to be some type of plan for the wr position. Shaun Rogers?
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hey guys...
I’m actually deployed right now, so I can’t get the audio of the interview…would anyone mind summing it up real quick for me?
by Vandylaxn21 on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Vandy...
Shefter is reporting that he went into to see Bowlen and asked for a trade straight up. Bowlen told him to go chill for a while and think it thru. Shefter is saying that it is a fluid situation and Marshall does not want to cahnge his mind. He sadi the only thing that might happen is Denver give him that contarct he cant say no to.
Be safe my friend…and thanks for your service to the country!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are definitely welcome!
The MHR makes the time go by a lot quicker haha…
I just hope I am back in time for the home opener!
by Vandylaxn21 on Jun 15, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brandon wants to leave Denver then he should be allowed to do it. No one knows what’s going on inside the offices at Dove Valley and in any other franchise. If they feel compelled to want to leave and if it makes them happy, I’m for it. Players have been mistreated in the league for years by owners who took all the money and was finally forced to pay retired players their “fair share.” I wish both Jay and BMarsh the best of luck in their careers. I’ve had a ton of players that have left my favorite team and I still wish them well. They’re still two of my favorite players and i’ve decided that I will “dance” instead of “sit” on the sidelines when they suit up.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree
He is under contract, the Broncos own his rights for employment. This isn’t about making the players happy, this is a business. BMarsh is an asset, he doesn’t get to dictate the will of the franchise.
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re entitled to disagree. I just wonder when was the last itme someone on this post had to wait years for benefits if they were to become disabled. When was the last time any of you got "released’ from your job without the ablitity to draw unemplyment? He IS entitled to stand up for himself and that contract only BENEFITS Pat Bowlen. He could be cut tomorrow and no money would have to exchange hands. All of you who are saying what Brandon would be on the phone with HR or your union rep so fast it’ll make your head spin if you had been “wronged” on your job. Your owner is like all the rest-they want all the money and not have to pay anymore.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 17, 2009 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The interview said
that Marshall is unhappy and wants a new deal, but he will be a restricted free agent after this year. Then, Bowlen said that he wants Marshall to go rehab and think about what he wants. Then, Cutler laid down a blue print for getting out of Denver. Several teams are already interested in trades. Basically stuff we could have guessed, but Schef said it.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO the is completely different than the Cutler situation...
I believe this for a couple of reasons:
a) Our team can still move forward and play in its new offense less a WR. It can not if the QB refuses to report and learn the new system. The impact is much much less to the overall TEAM.
b) BMarsh wants more $$$, that is really the bottom line. Cutler just didn’t want to play in Denver, regardless of the money.
If this is my team, I take a page out of the Bengals playbook. The Broncos will not trade BMarsh, period. He is welcome to holdout as long as he deems necessary and we will fine you for each and every day missed during camp. After a certain point, if it lasts that long, we will begin arbitration to go after a pro-rated portion of your signing bonus.
This is a game of chicken and I would be damned if the Broncos would give in before BMarsh. We have players that can play WR, a lot of them. He will be a restricted free agent next year (he would probably be tendered with 2 first rounders), he has absolutely NO LEVERAGE for the next two years. BMarsh can keep getting fined and eventually he will fold like a cheap lawn chair. End of story.
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto
sit him & wait him out, if he’s disruptive to the gelling process or starts undermining the coaches, sit him & ban him from the facility.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by BShrout on Jun 15, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was really about money...
then BMarsh wouldn’t have said that he wanted a trade? If this really was about money, then I think he would have said that straight up. They are not discussing $$$ right now… they are talking “trade demand”. It is very clear that he want’s out and is trying to force Bolen’s hand.
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably been talking with his BFF Cutler!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BFF?
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
best friends forever i think
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what money has JC asked for u ...?
get a clue.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always about the $$$$$$$
When you have no leverage in a situation you try to force your way into your desired outcome. For BMarsh he “thinks” (going out on a limb here based on his perceived mental capacity) by claiming he wants a trade he will either get a contract extension to keep him happy or get traded to a team that will give him a new contract. The result is the same in his mind…
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it is all
about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoorah!!!
You can’t get market value for a guy with a bum hip and who’s a jaywalking ticket away from a nice long vacation.
Give him the time he needs to think things through…even if it means catching his team’s games on Direct TV.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t get market value for a guy with a bum hip and who’s a jaywalking ticket away from a nice long vacation.
A conditional pick might work
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why trade him when you can keep him cheap for the next 2 years...
If he does sign as a restricted free agent next year, we get 2 first round picks. That means we can keep him at a little over $2mm for this year AND get 2 first rounds if he is signed away in 2010. If GM X trades him for less than that, he is a fool and I don’t think he is…
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"we get 2 first round picks"
Is that right?
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the sound of that.
Wow, that is great insight and even less leverage for BM. Sorry BMarsh, your hands are tied here. So, go dominate on the field and for every touchdown you catch, we the fans will throw dollar bills at you because apparently you need the money more than we do………….
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would be a restricted free agent and would be tendered with (my guess) 2 first round picks...
which is the maximum tender you can give a restricted free agent. Other teams can offer a contract and the Broncos have an opportunity to match, if they choose not to then the team has to pay the restricted free agent tender and they get the player. This is what happened to Michael Turner in San Diego before he was a free agent.
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a great point DBronx
and if it is considered true, then, a big worry would be the CBA, especially if that is a motivating factor as Guru believes.
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That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This situation reminds me a lot of Randy Moss wanting out of Oakland.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jun 15, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Broncos will handle this the same way Cinci handled
Chad Johnson. Brandon really has no leverage. He is under contact this years for a really small amount in 2.2 million. That amount of money is nothing for the Broncos and he recovering from an injury. They could just let him sit on the bench if he does not want to play. He will relize that if he does not play then he will not get paid and will eventually show up.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah worked GREAT for cinci
who wants to play for this team that has a choice.
This is very sad to me.
We’ve always been a fine place to play… a great place.
WTF?
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cincy screwed up by not banning Ocho Cinco from the facility
If the Broncos want to play real “hard ball” then they can tell BMarsh that they are not going to trade him and that they will not renogiate his contract until next year. If he becomes a malcontent, then they can do what Philly did with TO and sit his ass down for the remainder of the year, not pay him, and then look for a team to give up the “big haul” for his services.
With next year being an “uncapped” year, Brandon’s original contract will be extended an additional 2 years . . . the Broncos hold all the cards. BMarsh is getting bad advice from his agent!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
I am tired of players not living up to their contracts!
Gawd how much money do they need?
Oh yeah… but they CAN be cut.
nevermind.
silly isn’t it?
I bet we’re such good fans that Pat can make a very good living from us for a great deal of tim…. SH@T sorry. I know Pat wants to win.
I really do know this,
Thank God
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to the Pro Bowl
was the worst thing to ever happen to Cutler, Marshall and subsequently, the Broncos
“how could you trade a Pro-Bowl [insert position player here] player!?!?!?”
being legends in your own mind doesn’t equal wins unfortunately. I’m sick of these kinds of players.
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 1:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"being legends in your own mind doesn’t equal wins unfortunately. I’m sick of these kinds of players"
Exactly. BM seems to be the last of the messy twirps. Let’s get rid of him and move on with McD’s new team.
Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance
by bradley on Jun 15, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Bradley!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 15, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do trade him can we trade him to Detroit for
Calvin Johnson Straight up. that would be ideal lol
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
simply put.............
no.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No to Calvin Johnson
Are you insane the guy had an amazing season last year on a 0-16 team and is just as talented as BM
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means “No there is no way we could get him straight up for Brandon”
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kfustud.............you just get me. lol.
gnarlybroncodude
I am not saying he isn’t a great player. I am saying, “why on earth would the lions give up their only good player for a player who has potential, but constantly shoots himself in the foot by getting in trouble??”
From the lions perspective, it makes no sense to do that. We would have to give up quite a bit to get CJohnson………… Calvin, not chad. Oh wait, but he changed it legally to OchoCinco…………. I can never keep track these days……….
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoots himself in the foot by getting in trouble
No, your thinking of Plax. Lol
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That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 15, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By your reasoning though
it would make no sense for any of these other teams to trade Edwards, Boldin or ochocinco for BM straight up. Also BM is already a good player who still has room to grow. I do not think Calvin is any better then BM talent wise.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
BMarsh has too many question marks surrounding him to make a straight up trade with any of them. I agree that the talent is the same, but none of those recievers have had the injury past or the off the field problems that BMarsh has. No team in their right mind would trade straight up for him. I’m not saying that BMarsh is inferior in talent. I am saying there is more involved in a trade than just pure talent. Legal trouble is a big red flag.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a f'in hypocrite.
Go with the guys with the rings, yeah my a$$. Ship him off. Maybe we can get Boldin or Peppers for him. But please, no Braylon Edwards or Ochocinco. I’m about done with prima donnas.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 15, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a link on ESPN?
You would think Schefter would have to put this on ESPN before going on someone else’s radio program, right? I just don’t see it anywhere on ESPN (not that I think ESPN is the only place to get news)
by adamriggs on Jun 15, 2009 2:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he’s officially working for ESPN until July 1st?
It’s up on PFT and Rotoworld already, with his radio interview as source
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by BroncosNL on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
for real
I’m starting to think this thing is fake because I tried downloading a plugin so I could listen to it, but for some reason it wont work. Maybe it doesn’t exist. Someone post a link so I can listen to it elsewhere, please. Quicktime is the death of me, I’m pretty sure. lol
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes papigrande!
papigrande is right..NO MORE PRIMA DONNAS! we could actually benefit a lot from this
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
really how do we benefit
if he gets traded. We lose our best offensive weapon and biggest playmaker on offense. I love Eddie Royal and think Eddie is a great wideout but he is not a #1. Eddie would not be as effective without BM on the other side. BM is a true #1 WR that this team needs talent wise.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is obviously not a ideal situtaion but...
as people above me have commented marshall had somewhere around 5 td’s in 2008 and boldin hd around 15..if marshall cannot stay out of trouble or healthy or content eith the new team first style of the broncos, we do not need him here possibly poisining the minds of young players. If we end up with a new number 1 receiver (boldin, MAYBE someone like Calvin Johnson if we add more incentive) or draft picks used for a new number 1 wr, or a new defensive stud (d-line?) we could end up getting a star or contributor for a disgruntled player
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 2:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
economically it makes more sense to keep BM, though.
The fact that we are getting his services for 2 mil for another year is great for the broncos (if he can stay out of trouble). If we got Johnson or Boldin, we are taking a major major financial hit because they are proven WR with no off the field incidents. Until Brandon can show he won’t get in trouble, he doesn’t deserve to have a big contract.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a big IF
BM is a very talented receiver, and I certainly want him in Denver for his entire career IF he is able to stay healthy and out of trouble. But, he has not given anyone any reason to think that he will stay out of trouble, and he’s been hampered by injuries the last two seasons. I am all for keeping him, but if he does not have any intention of playing for Denver, then why keep him? trade him for all he is worth now, rather than wait two years and ship him off somewhere for a 4th round pick (Randy Moss). I want him, but if he wants to leave, I say let him go
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like what they said earlier in this post.
look up. There is someone saying that he would be a restricted free agent after next year. So, we might end up getting some first round picks for BMarsh. So, keep him and get a first round pick or trade him now for what some team wants to give us. I like the first round pick idea.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must have missed that..
i looked at the post above and agree with you and the original poster. I guess it’s a case of immediate satisfaction (getting a sub par deal in a trade) or long term success that takes patience (waiting for a couple years and then getting a much better deal). I just want my broncos to win!
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda
The problem is that the other team has to pay the first round pick. So it can reduce the number of takers willing to pay that.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
If a team decides that they like Marshall’s proven talent as opposed to taking a chance and reaching on a first rounder, then they would pull the trigger. There’s lots of talk about next year being a really bad draft class, anyways.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
I am just saying they have to pay the tender for the restricted free agent.
So if we feel we need to trade him he has more value today because of the added year of production and whatnot. We may get more today then tomorrow.
We’ll see. I just don’t want them to hold onto him until his value is gone if he really doesn’t want to be here. If he accepts a decent contract offer to play then fine, welcome home, otherwise…
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm worried about
We just don"t want him to be the next Chad Johnson
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that will be the case.
As of right now, he is coming off of hip surgery and hasn’t played football yet. He also has a court case pending. I don’t see how his value could get any lower. Even if he stays out a year, his value couldn’t be lower, unless he goes to jail by then. If he stays out a year and rests his hip, then comes out and practices and shows he is a probowl talent again, his value will be higher than it is right now.
I just don’t think all these question marks surrounding him are going to make his value very good in any trade talks.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is coming off a pro bowl and has shown resiliency to return from an injury in the past. The other nice thing is that our fluke of an offense last year really pumped up individual receiving stats.
It is true in the new system that he may not get as many catches and yards. He may though if he could be a Moss… tough call.
I worry that if he rides the pine or worse plays lackluster and without effort that we could lose value. The nice thing about players holding out is that they don’t tend to do it when their value is low. They tend to hold out during a “sell high” opportunity so I think the team has a good chance to win if they move them out.
I mean this could all be moot. I would like to see him sign a decent if not top caliber contract with the team and stay in Denver but I am resigned to trading him if need be.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what makes this so strange, to me.
Usually they do hold out during a sell high time. But I don’t feel this is the case for Brandon. I just don’t see how a hold out is going to be beneficial for him either way. Either he waits for denver to pay him and doesn’t get what he wants because the broncos aren’t all that sold on him staying out of trouble and being healthy with his hip, OR he gets traded to a team that still sees his off the field troubles and injuries as a concern. I don’t see him getting a lot of money either way. All the while, he is losing money by getting fined for not going to practice.
Plus, he dropped way way too many balls last year. I just don’t see where the leverage is.
Granted, he isn’t losing money anymore because minicamp is over. But if this drags on, he isn’t going to be earning a profit this year.
I want him to stay, too. I really like him in a bronco uni, but he really does need to grow up. I think Eddie needs to mentor Brandon, even though Eddie is younger.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Health Issues
What if BMarsh can’t pass a physical? Part of his disenchanment seems to stem from the fact that the trainers missed something in regard to his hip last year. After the season he also blamed part of his fumbling and missed catches on numbness in his hands from his McDonalds bag incident. I wonder if he know’s he has issues and wants to get his one big payday before he has to take the training camp physical.
by Jcheeseburger on Jun 15, 2009 2:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we
could put a bunch of McDonald’s wrappers on our front 7. Might help the defense…
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
...I wonder if we
…and put entertainment centers with glass as linebackers. lol
by Jcheeseburger on Jun 15, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
If Brandon really wants out of Denver why didn’t he make this play months ago when it would have been far easier to accomplish?
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You know...
It would be nice to get a wide receiver with an actual wide receiver number. None of this teens bullcrap.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 15, 2009 2:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The teens are WR numbers.........
It’s fine by me. Whatever number they want is up to them. Then it is up to the fans deciding whether or not to buy the jersey.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I am not sure to make of the whole thing
The problem is that now, as Schefter said, players that have talent will want to force the Broncos hand, something about having a rookie HC and rookie GM, I wish we had kept the Goodman’s, something tells me if they had stayed there would not be these headaches.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate this
I almost feel like the stench of being a crappy franchise is starting to creep in. It’s sad, really. I used to chuckle at other teams that couldn’t handle stuff like this.
First the Avs, now this… :(
by creamy on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
starting to creep in
where have you been for the last decade?
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They did have some playoff appearances (even if that did meaning getting destroyed by the Colts) and that one AFC Championship game. I thought they were at least competitive and I never thought they were among the Cincinatti, Detroit, and Oakland’s of the league.
But I’m starting to have my doubts lately.
by creamy on Jun 15, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
cincy won their division in 05 and pittsburg killed Palmer on the first play of the playoff game.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering all those teams have beat us in the past 5 years
Detroit and Oakland in the past two…
well…
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this trade, Bradon Marshall to the Eagles for Maclin
Eagles get a proven WR who understands west coast system, we get a playmaker (hopefully).
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 3:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
risky...
thats a big risk when we potentially can get another proven wr for marshall
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But as people have pointed out, it is doubtful that we would be able to get Boldin straight up for Marshall at this point since the Cards would be taking some big risks that Marshall will heal and that he won’t get suspended. I am just looking at trying to get something fair market value and seeing how the Eagles need a proven WR, they may be willing to roll the dice on BM hip for an unproven player.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
and it may come to us trading BM for an unproven player because that;s all we CAN do. But it seems a little premature in the situation to maybe trade for that. I thinik we should shop BM around if we intend to trade him right away and see what we can ge for him
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about we trade him and get a stud defensive player? sounds good to me!
but if i could control this situation, i would still want BM in a broncos unifrom
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
GET TO CAMP BRANDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would definitely help our d, but...
what then do we do about our no. 1 WR? that would also force our other WR’s to be the number 2 WR..who? Move stokely away from the slot, where he is one of the best?
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I gotta say is......
McKinley better get great and FAST. lol
Those Patriots pickups aren’t looking like a bad idea right about now. Jackson and Gaffney could get the call if things don’t turn around.
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny Huh
People poo poo adding depth to positions that you are supposedly set at but then something like this happens and it looks like the smartest thing you could have done.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
darned if you do…….. SCREWED if you don’t
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question...
as for this season, the starting three WR would be stoke in the slot, and eddie and gaffney on the outside. i know that isnt the greatest corp, but it can do until we get another WR next offseason
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
GET TO CAMP BRANDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess it could do...
Until we snag up a true No. 1 WR in the draft. I still don’t like the idea of having Gaffney as a No. 2 WR. But who knows, maybe Knowshon will be the next AP and we won’t need an all star WR (But it wouldn’t hurt to have a BM-type WR too)
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, but if this gets worse then unfortunately we may need to look at moving him
I wouldn’t be against that, if NE wanted to part with say Vince Wolfork, LOL
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather
Crabtree + picks for BM
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know..
if we want someone who cries when yelled at. Haha
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too, but I think it would have to be BM + picks for Crabtree
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody like this idea?
BM for Antonio Bryant of the Buccs?? Antonio has 1 year left on his deal and is in a similar situation as BM. He is outperforming his contract and wants a raise, too. Interesting………..
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No way, that dude has way too many issues, basically has clashed with every coach
and had only one good year (last year), he also is a lot older.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant ...
How selfish can one person be? Boy do I miss Rod Smith …
by lomaxgr on Jun 15, 2009 3:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if all of us are God's children,
then we could all use it. Amen????
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should all say AMEN too missing Rod Smith...
And everyone said….
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
:)
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!!!!!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha sorry
im new to these forums (at least as a poster) ill try to come up with my own ____.(expression of likeness?)
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
Very true ville
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just kiddin SmokinJoe... I was just agreeing with your assessment!!!
by RevrendBronco on Jun 15, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good fun
We’re all here because we love the broncos
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Jun 15, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I've reached my speculation limit for this offseason : )
I’ll comment further once this has played out. I’m outta TUMS and I’m saving my Rolaids for midseason. : )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Piss dude. cmon BM dont pull a crybaby cutler.
but if he wants out, get him out. lets get as much as we can for him!
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
GET TO CAMP BRANDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 3:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame BM
If he doesn’t get paid now (no matter how big of an idiot he looks like in the public’s eye), he may never get paid. What if he gets hurt in the preseason? What if the offense becomes the Moreno & Royal show? What if he gets suspended again? He has to try now to get paid. He should at least be making an average of teh top 15 or 20 guys at WR, no?
I’m not saying I’d go about it the same way, but he is absolutely outperforming his contract and as a pro athlete, you HAVE to sprint towards ANY opportunity to get paid and retire rich, otherwise, he could take the high road and in week 2 he could wreck his knee and never have more money than he has right now. Marshall has to take a shot at getting at VERY LEAST a short term band-aid raise for this season.
Like Schefter said, the Cutler drama gave players a percieved blueprint of how to get what you want.
It would be a VERY sad day and AWFUL offseason if Denver’s two biggest studs on offense are playing for different teams. I trust what McD does, so we’ll just have to wait & see what happens w/ BM.
Freaking out and jumping to conclusions isn’t going to help anything.
by super7 on Jun 15, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets Hope
This plays out in the contract negotiation. That he would take a bigger paycheck that is reasonable considering his situation. Maybe a moderate increase and a short term. So he is getting more now with the potential to really get more in a few years if he stays healthy and whatnot.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
why havent we hired rod smith to be on the coaching staff?
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
GET TO CAMP BRANDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 3:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!!!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ Fifty-Two Billion!!!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
why havent we hired rod smith to be on the coaching staff?
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall
GET TO CAMP BRANDON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 3:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Question...
but was it so good you really have to ask it twice?
by creamy on Jun 15, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to back control
No more inmates running the assylum. BM does have every right to ask for a raise. The Broncos have every right to enforce the contract BM signed.
To ask for a trade after all he has put the organization through is really sad to me. I would be inclined to cut off all contract talks and force BM to earn the right to re-open them later. Stay healthy and off the police blotter for awhile and then we can talk. This guy is a stud physically, but this is just stupid. Act like a pro and realize you still have a lot to prove as a player and person.
by 5280FT on Jun 15, 2009 3:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling
That with BM, it’s not a question of “if” but “when”. It seems inevitable…only a matter of time before he does something dumb and gets suspended again.
He’s the 59th-highest paid WR in the league, while most people would put him in the top 15 if not top 10 of all WR in the league talent and production-wise.
If he gets an incentive-based contract, then yes, give him a raise to about 6 or 7 million per. But make sure you don’t give him a ton of up-front money because he’s just going to end up spending 8 to 16 games on the bench one of these years.
by creamy on Jun 15, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want an authentic Marshall jersey?
I got one for sale. Mint order! hahaha.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
by Joe Medina on Jun 15, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
One more reason to follow my rule: Don’t buy a jersey until the player signs his 2nd contract with your team.
This sucks :(
by studbucket on Jun 15, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
An unfortunate likely scenario
BM holds out, travels to Georgia and gets arrested again.
He is suspended for the year, and the Broncos get nothing for him or out of him this year.
by FtCoNative on Jun 15, 2009 3:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh well, what do we expect from someone with
his initials.
This whole situation is poopy.
by underdog on Jun 15, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Or to quote a favorite character:
“The whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers!”
by underdog on Jun 15, 2009 3:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was scoping out the DP blog....
I saw a lot of people saying fire McD, it’s all his fault….One guy said he got rid of Cutler now he’s getting rid of Marshall…..Really? I’m surprised some of these mental midgets have the motor skills to type because they certainly lack the ability to read. I hope to high heavens I don’t have to see people blaming McD for this one here.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 4:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all a bet
Maybe this is how Mcdaniels got the coaching job. “Listen hear Mr. Bowlen, I bet you I can get us to the Super Bowl and win it minus Jay Culter and Brandon Marshall. How about them apples.” The Bowlen says “Your on.”
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not good!
The guy is a serious talent – flawed off the field, but show me an available receiver with the same talent. I have to agree with the poster above – this off-season has been a disaster and you can try to spin it as positively as you want, but once again, the facts as of today do not reflect well on the franchise. I’ll post again when I calm down . . .
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Jun 15, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right
There is nothing positive about this. Even if you get something decent in return, this offseason has been a PR nightmare and you know how it is for most people…perception is reality. While a lot of us have seen some good things this off season, between this and the Cutler situation the public perception of this team is probably at an all time low. If we do trade him and don’t get a bonified number 1 receiver in return…this completely messes up our draft for next year. We’ll need to spend a pick on a top receiver for sure.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perception is in the eyes of the beholder
I, personally, do not see this offseason as a disaster. I, personally, LOVE the moves the new staff has made. FINALLY, a team I can truly get behind . . . Real men with a passion for a game I LOVE!!!! This is what this TEAM needed . . . Go Broncos!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey for anyone currently watching this thread
broncos just signed lloyd, WR formally of the bears
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 4:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, great...
let’s get the old bears QB AND the old bears receivers. Wait… wasn’t offense their big weakness? …. La La land grows darker….. Hey Tatum Bell, umm…… We were wondering… um…. well…. Josh wants to know….. if…. um…. will you go to the prom with the Broncos? JK.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 15, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depth.
Where did it indicate that he’ll be the #1?
by Matt In Canada on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comment was mostly tongue in cheek.
I do fear the worst, but I don’t expect it.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
forget the browncos
we can now be called the bearcos by the msm
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by broncointheville on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I musta missed this the first time through – I said it again below…. Blam!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could definately see McDaniels
trading Marshall for a 1st rounder next year. Then when the time comes, trade that 1st rounder for a 1st rounder the following year and something else. He’d be doing it the patriot way.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 4:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Marshall would get more than a 2nd round pick
given his legal troubles and unknown health condition
by lolcopter on Jun 15, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, whatever it may be.
If the Broncos canned Cutler, they get rid of anyone else. I keep hearing everyone talk about future blueprints for players. If we win the division, all this goes away. T.O. never complains when his team is dominating. Kobe and Shaq didn’t split until they lost.
by broncodude793 on Jun 15, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a fun article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4261327
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jun 15, 2009 4:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
At least this seems to be hones reporting...
it states what is known and what is unknown and avoids speculation. After all, that’s OUR job!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When can they put him on PUP?
Or MUP? The guy is acting mental.
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait" -- Kool-Aid Man
by littletinybroncos on Jun 15, 2009 4:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
DB.com
Reports that we just signed Brandon Lloyd from the Bears!!!
- I hope this isn’t foreshadowing …
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 4:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
PFT
Says rumors are flying that Marshall may go to Baltimore
“Marshall likely would command at least a first-round and a third-round draft pick, due to the trade that sent Roy Williams from the Lions to the Cowboys last year.
The move also would require a contract worth $9 million or more per year.
So it would be a huge deal for anyone to do a deal for Marshall, especially in light of his past legal troubles."
First and a third? Okay, i’ll take that
by Bustafluff on Jun 15, 2009 5:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be lovely...
Be very surprised of Baltimore actually gives up that much for him.
by Matt In Canada on Jun 15, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well since im no good at trade evaluations
i wont say if i think its fair or not, but i will say that i wont have a problem trading him if the price is right and its not to the bears (for obvious reasons)
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the biggest issue here to me
isn’t Brandon the player or Brandon the troublemaker…it’s that this disgruntled player thinks he can force his way out of Denver over a really fairly mild dispute, just like Cutler. I can see what they were doing by trading Cutler — you got a king’s ransom in return, Cutler was the star and leader of the team, and a star/leader with that attitude couldn’t be tolerated.
But this is the flip side of appearing to acquiesce to that trade demand — every player and agent thinks they can push us around now for the mildest of complaints. BM isn’t going to get a huge bounty in trade, nor is he in a position of leadership. the team will be worse without him, but not by a huge margin. And WRs are actually pretty easy to replace, all things considered.
With all those things considered, McDaniels and Bowlen need to — MUST — take a stand on this one and show trading Cutler was their choice for the good of the franchise, not a player forcing them to do something, and other players cannot expect to push this team around.
BM needs to play or sit, and a message will be sent to the rest of the players and agents in the league: you WILL buy into the culture here or you won’t play, but we won’t be pushed around or held hostage either.
If they don’t do this, they run the risk of this cycle continuing to repeat every time an agent gets a bug in a player’s ear. and that can’t happen.
by thedoctor on Jun 15, 2009 5:05 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
The Broncos need to make and example out of Marshall
and hold their ground. If they don’t and he does force his way then it will really open the floodgates for people when they want out of Denver
by gnarlybroncodude on Jun 15, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Have him sit on the sidelines for the season.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then if he gets signed as an RFA we get a first round pick. Win-win.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 15, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agents
are below used car salesmen and trial lawyers on the scumbag stick. (No offense intended to respectable and honest used car salesmen and trial lawyers, if such an animal exists)
Agents have caused ALL these messes this off season. It’s hard to believe they didn’t sense a wekness in the coaching staff… the vipers.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 15, 2009 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
if such animals exist….nice
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is where Bowlen wanting control...
back in his hands may be a lesson of “be careful what you wish for.” Agents see it is a whole new situation in Denver, smell blood in the water, and are pushing to see what happens if they start demanding new contracts or making trade demands.
They (the blood-sucking agents) are in a no-lose situation here. If the team caves, they win. If the team doesn’t cave, the player ends up with the exact same contract he already had.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should also note that if we can get a good return in trade for him, I’d be down for that as well. If the ravens would do a 1st and a 3rd, go for it.
by thedoctor on Jun 15, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Let the fines begin… it’s $70k less every day…
by DBronx777 on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't panic, don't panic, don't panic, don't panic......
and boom goes the dynamite.
Can we panic now? haha
by phantom818 on Jun 15, 2009 5:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
and deja vu
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard.....
U know, u wood think it wood be hard to top an offseason with 2 deaths for the worst ofseason ever huh? And if Marshall leaves along with weigmann who also wants more money, then we lost all our probowlers. I have started to believe in Josh after i vowed to never forgive him for the Jay problem. Ino this is isnt Joshes fault but i really dont wanna lose Bmarsh and I along with many many others will be furious at josh if he manages to lose our top 2 offensive players. That is simply unexplicable. I coudnt even write this stuff. Things were all starting to work out………….
by Calibroncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
could you explain....
what exactly McD did to Marshall that would make you angry with him for this?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha.
just a little south of you in st. catharines. :]
by Matt In Canada on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I SAID Ino this is isnt Joshes fault (That Bmarsh demanding a trade)
BUT i will be mad IF JOSH manages to lose him.
by Calibroncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I don’t want to see him go either but there’s no point in being mad at McD. This seems to be between Marshall and Bowlen.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats true. But if marshll is concerend bout the direction of the team like was reported, then it is connected to josh
by Calibroncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I believe that.....
I think this is purely about money…of course I could be wrong but why did it take him 3 months to finally decide he doesn’t like the team. Especially after all the good things he’s said since the trade?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah i think its about money too. But i think the bottom line is that He is a top 5 WR and he shood be paid....NOW
by Calibroncoboy on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it should come with conditions...
regarding his health and regarding the future possibility of suspensions, but I don’t think Marshall will want those conditions in his contract.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be....
If I were running the show I’d offer him 4 mil plus incentives for next year and tell him take it or go home and stay there till 2010
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote it below...
but I’ll also write it up here, since it’s being talked about in this particular thread.
I think that statement, “concerned about the direction of the team” gets floated by his agent because it sounds a heck of a lot better to the general fan than I’m holding out in this bad economy (plus I’m injured, plus I am one parking ticket away from an 8 game suspension) because I want more money.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was concerned with the direction of the team; he should’ve spoke up long ago and not got behind McD as much as he did… Hence why, I don’t think that’s the reason whatsoever.
by Matt In Canada on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To hell with it....my hopes are quickly dwindling.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The only question...
is what is best for the team.
BM is injured at the moment. He has a hip injury that is difficult to rehab (but certainly doable). He also has a chronic problem with his left hand – he has said it has been numb since his accident last off season and that is why he has so many dropped balls (I read that – not my analysis yet). I’ve had nerve damage in my leg (a fight I lost many years ago) and it took a long time to heal. Damaged nerves don’t just heal – you can’t rehab them. You just let them grow back on their own. Maybe one of the good doctors can weigh in here. That hand may not ever be as good as it was and may never regain complete feeling.
BM has mental issues. Like it or not, he does not react well in the heat of the moment in his personal life. I’ve said before that it is extemely difficult to compartmentalize your personality, and on field situations can reflect off field attitudes. In my view, BM does not have the mental makeup to elevate his play under a pressure situation.
BM has legal issues. That may affect how many games he plays. It becomes a problem if you have a roster spot taken by someone that can’t play.
BM has teammate issues. What I mean here is that his method of dealing with this issue is a poor way to do it. Weigmann has a contract issue and he’s at camp. He’s doing it right. BM, by doing it his way, is causing problems with his teammates on several levels, not the least of which is that they can’t include him in the learning curve with the rest of the offense.
Yes, BM is a special talent. But, we are the Broncos. We lost our way a bit the last few years, but I think we’re back. I hope Bowlen feels the same way, and that he puts principles before personalities.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by YosemiteSam on Jun 15, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they should give Weigmann his contract
send a signal to Marshall that you’ll get paid if you do things the right way
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
that would probably just make him more angry, but i think its a good idea
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
We have the right way (Weigmann), the wrong way (Cutler), and the guy who doesn’t know what to do, doesn’t know how to negotiate, and has no leverage (Marshall). I agree… pay Casey.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 15, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think this is likely to happen. Start laying the groundwork now that if you want paid in this franchise there is a simple pattern to follow. If you want booted to the curb there is another.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd T.D_B
Talk about showing what type of character/attitude is expected!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do get a deal done . . .
will BMarsh be functional in this COMPLEX offense since he has done ABSOLUTELY nothing to prepare himself (no camps or film)? How far behind is he? And if he comes back, will he really be the #1 WR?
If he was on my team, he would have to prove to me beyond a doubt that he knows my offense EXACTLY before I EVER let him on the field.
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a recent comment that
Marshall has not really participated in summer offseason activities for a couple of years, and he has come into games and played well. But I recall him missing assignments and running erroneous routes several times last season. I have to believe that given the apparent complexity of McDaniels’ system, Marshall is going to bench himself out of not understanding the playbooks before this whole contract fiasco even gets off the ground. He hasn’t been there to install the playbook.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 16, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...I wonder if the Cutler situation shows that
players can now demand and get a trade to their team of choice……
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 15, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The way this is all handled will answer that question.
by Matt In Canada on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have the talent then you can demand stuff
Selvin Young’s demands were falling on deaf ears.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read a blurb...
on another website that said Marshall wants out of Denver because he is “concerned” about the direction the franchise is taking after trading Cutler away.
That is total BS!
If he was concerned about that, he wouldn’t have been to the fan day and been as positive as he was, and he would have been making these ripples well before now.
I think that statement gets floated by his agent because it sounds a heck of a lot better to the general fan than I’m holding out in this bad economy (plus I’m injured, plus I am one parking ticket away from an 8 game suspension) because I want more money.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 5:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't know if you can call it total BS
We really don’t know all of BM issues, granted he seems great at fan day, but he also seems great on other occassions and then gets arrested for something stupid. I think it mainly is a money issue, but at the same time, I am sure that he is looking at not having a QB that can and will always get him the ball and that his numbers may likely decline (especially if we are more run oreinted), and he will say damn, I am going to lose out on money cause my numbers are going to go down, so indirectly there is some issue with the Cutler leaving and the focus of the team.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think That is the Issue
If he does have a beef with the franchise I imagine it is more with the medical staff. Now that could be a factor in not wanting to play here. His attitudes about the change though never indicated any concern and his comments regarding Cutler always seemed rather supportive of the franchise.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 15, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is pissed they didn't fire Tuten (team direction)
I agree I would be pissed at the medical staff, but the thing is that if he didn’t think they were doing their job, he could of gotten a second opinion.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of surprised
McD hasn’t done so especially after he mentioned the loss of 450lbs on our team last year.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
To retain that same medical staff is a curious decision.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 16, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
I was venting a bit to say “total BS” and you are right to call me on that. I do believe it is more “concern” regarding his personal place and role on the team rather than “the direction of the franchise.”
I agree with your point on that.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 15, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed
In this “debate” we all seem to be on the same side more or less. At least that’s a positive sign.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be a humbling thread for Brandon Marshall to read.
Early returns indicate he’s also on the wrong side of the public relations battle.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
how when a player does this the public usually goes against him and calls him greedy and such…but the owners don’t usually catch much flack for their greed. Not saying Bowlen is greedy i’m just speaking of general trends
by T.Dot_Bronco on Jun 15, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a little different.
I’d be going crazy on behalf of Brandon Marshall getting #1 money except HE has given the Broncos serious cause for concern. I mean, how do you really advocate his position?
I’ll say again what i’ve been saying for a few days now. The contract stuff is subterfuge. This isn’t really about money. He decided he wants out. No reasonable and rational man would do this with his history…with a new cuttthroat regime…unless the motive is exclusively to play some place else. The question is whether the Broncos should give in or not. I’m amazed at how underwhelmed Bronco Nation is with his possible depature…it surprises me…and I imagine it has to surprise BM a little too.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
If Marshall was making it public that he wants a better contract. That he feels that he earned it but he was also going through mandatory events and acting responsible to the team I would be jumping up and down to pay the man. (Like I am for Casey)
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 16, 2009 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On trading...
Brandon’s trade value is not anywhere near his value as a player. He has upcoming legal issues, has recently had hip surgery, and now has a history of not only being suspended, but holdng out. There is no way we get a big name player for him, nor a mid to high draft pick (unless you’re playing Madden).
I’m not so sure the franchise tender is a good move either. Do we want to pay a guy a small fortune if he just sits on the bench? No.
Our choices including benching him. We aren’t spending a fortune for him now, and his punishment would be seeing his value dwindle even further. He wouldn’t get a hefty salary from a team after being benched a year.
Another choice involves trading him for a very low pick. Fans would blame the team for not getting just compensation, but nobody is going to pay high for Marshall.
Next, the team could just cut him. It sounds like the worst route, but is it? We don’t have to pay the salary for a guy that isn’t playing (though we would if he was benched), and we rid the team of a cancer.
Let’s wait to see how this plays out. Marshall might see the light, and come back into the fold. If he doesn’t, the team moves on. Gaffney, Royal, and Stokley are solid receivers. We could miss Marshall (but just a little), yet it is his choice and we can’t do anything about that.
The ball is in Marshall’s court and nobody else’s. The Broncos will play with or without him, though I’m sure there will be folks that want to blame his attitude and actions on the new coach.
I’m tired of Marshall taking up so much of the fans’ time. If he wants to play, fine. I’d like to see him play for us. If he wants out, that’s fine too. It would be a relief to talk about football instead of legal issues, fights with television sets, and holdouts. I think he’s used up just about every excuse that his fans have brought up. If he can’t get this episode right, he doesn’t belong in blue and orange.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 15, 2009 6:50 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellently laid out HT
Not that it need be pointed out.
I did go through a little type-before-I-think there…. Kinda like lots of folks seemed to do with our last fiasco… Settle down, Beavis.
And that is more and more what it seems is that his character alone could be what makes him (in my mind) not belong in Our colors. But we’ll certainly see.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well laid out options, as always.
Question though… wouldn’t ANOTHER trade be one of the WORST possible options for this team at this point? Drop two star players in that span of time and for who knows what in return (our disgruntled Pro Bowl QB got the Broncos a lesser quality – albeit still a potential quality starter, but with nowhere near the same past history – and draft picks which the team pretty much used up…at least in the Alphonso Smith case)? Plus, if you dump Marshall that only makes this team even more of a joke and gives more guys incentive to “push the team around” if you will…or at least think they can do so.
So in this case (this case is different from many other cases we see, because you don’t often have the same situation pop up twice in that span of time and have one player traded as well) wouldn’t it be best to hold the line? Still though, from a football standpoint (say what you want about character) If Marshall were to NOT play (and that’s an IF) during the season it could SEVERELY limit chances of generating points on offense and therefore winning. But if you trade or dump him to avoid any possible distraction, it could set you back as a team even further in this type of “rebuilding” process. Although, I guess cutting a player if one has to, while hurting a team in the short run, could actually be beneficial long-term (however, you get no compensation for it, which isn’t always a good thing). With all that said, do you think it’s better to hold fast and let BMarsh sit if he doesn’t want to play?
Basically, I guess this situation is a little different than most times we see it for one, and two, if you trade/cut him it could be detrimental and if he sits it could be just as bad. So which of the two evils is the lesser, and which would you honestly take in this situation?
You’ve gotta love dilemmas like this (sarcasm…of course). I guess that’s why the Broncos are fighting to become the kings of this offseason’s MSM drama. :-/
by phantom818 on Jun 15, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree a trade could be a bad thing...
…but I think that’s moot. I don’t think Marshall has any trade value. The best argument against cutting him is that he gets his way. I don’t care if he gets his way or not; I only care about the team. I’m hoping he comes to his senses, but if he doesn’t, I’m for either cutting him (and recouping his salary) or benching him and pressuring him to cave. Let’s hope it doesn’t get to this point.
As I wrote earlier, it is still way to early to get worked up. Guys hold up through training camp and come back, and we haven’t even started camp yet. We can all take a deep breath and relax for now.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 16, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax? WHO RELAXES!!?!??! Haha.
Point obviously taken. I just wanted to get your thoughts on what you’d prefer in a situation such as this. The whole “let him sit” vs. “get rid of him” debate is always interesting every time it takes place in the league. I don’t think it’ll have to come to any of that, but for the sake of the drama I wanted to gague your thoughts on the matter a bit further. You don’t want to have TOO many players “getting their way,” but I certainly see where you’re coming from when you say it’s about the team. Thanks again.
by phantom818 on Jun 16, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT...
Do you know what the requirements are for placing a player on the PUP list? Who decides if and when a player is physically able to play?
Wherever you go, there you are.
by YosemiteSam on Jun 15, 2009 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam,
I’m sorry, I don’t know the requirements for PUP, and who decides if and when a player is able to play.
Anybody?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 16, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes yes
i doubly agree with your last paragraph, this is a waste of my time!! i want an hour of my life back BM! lol but seriously i say if he wants to hold out then we should hold on to him just as tight
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel bad
for bronco fans, they had to watch there franchise go from average to worse than the raiders in one offseason
by chris37 on Jun 15, 2009 7:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Still have a leg up on the Bills, at least.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah save your pity
for yourself when you find the bills sitting pretty at the bottom of the east
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 15, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah . . . you have Team Obliterator now! LOL!!!!!!!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Future
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
if the broncos want to trade BM for boldin
theyll have to trade multiple and valuable draft picks
i think their best move would be to bring in plax, its risky but it can work
as a chiefs fan, i would like the chiefs to sign plax as well, a long shot but
nothing wrong with wishing
by andrew33 on Jun 15, 2009 7:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
imho
no tradin’ an off-field-drama-inducing-tendency player for another player with OFDIT, please. ; )
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plax? Are you serious?
Have you not read the “tea leaves”? The Broncos are now about HIGH CHARACTER football players. How the hell does Plax fit into that mold? He is the antithesis of what we want here. He belongs in prison with the rest of the thugs and gand bangers. Next you will be telling us we need to sign Michael Vick!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Jun 15, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we traded BMarsh
We want a good character guy
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Jun 15, 2009 11:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many of you who want Brandon to show up (really for your own benefit) would go to work and take being “wronged” in any way? What would you do if you went one day and discovered that your boss had to be pulled into court in order to pay into your pension fund. What would you do if you had been released and your boss came after you for some of your salary back? That’s exactly what happens to NFL players on a daily basis- they have to FIGHT for their money because if they don’t the greedy owners wouldn’t give them enough. Yes, both Jerry Jones and Pat Bowlen had to be forced to pay into the player fund because they weren’t going to do it on their own. If a player wants more money, go for it. Please don’t try to tell me about the contract..Bowlen can terminate it if he wants so 2 should be able to play that game. I DON"T want Brandon to come to work for my benefit (or for that matter any other fan) GET WHAT YOU WANT. If people don’t like it – TOUGH. IF YOU PLAYED FOOTBALL YOU’D DO THE SAME THING IN ORDER TO GET PAID.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 17, 2009 12:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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