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Pro-Bowler or All-Pro

 

Various contributors both here at MHR and the MSM most often refer to players as Pro-Bowlers.  While I’m not trying to diminish the honor of being selected as a “Pro-Bowl” player I do wonder whether we put more weight on the label than it might deserve.  As you’ll read below until 1996 selection to the Pro-Bowl was based on votes from the coaches and the MSM.  That gave the distinction a little more weight in those days, IMO.

Today one third of the total voting comes from the fans.  Cool we have a voice and I like that.  But, since the fans have a voice I wonder is there isn’t somewhat of a diminishing of the honor, due to the popularity aspect of our human nature.  Curious about what the rest of you think.  Has Pro-Bowl honor diminished with the fans voting?  Also, which label would you rather have, Pro-Bowler or All-Pro?  I've included the Wikipedia defintions and selection methods below.

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Pro-Bowler

Currently, players are voted into the Pro Bowl by the coaches, the players themselves, and the fans. Each group's ballots count for one third of the votes. The fans vote online at the NFL's official site. There are also replacements that go to the game should any selected player be unable to play due to injuries. Prior to 1995, only the coaches and the players made Pro Bowl selections.

In order to be considered a Pro Bowler for a given year, a player must either have been one of the initial players selected to the team, or a player who accepts an invitation to Hawaii as an alternate; invited alternates who decline to attend are not considered Pro Bowlers. Being a Pro Bowler is considered to be a mark of honor, and players who are accepted into the Pro Bowl are considered to be elite.

All-Pro

The Associated Press NFL All-Pro Team is an annual selection of the best players in the National Football League (NFL) by position as selected by a national panel of media members of the Associated Press. Unlike selection to the Pro Bowl (all star game), votes are cast for outstanding players by position without consideration for whether the player competes in the American Football Conference (AFC) or National Football Conference (NFC). The Associated NFL All-Pro Team is the longest running selection awards program in existence

The First Team consists of the top one or two players at each position; the Second Team consists of the runners-up at each position. One player is selected at quarterback, fullback, tight end, center, punter, place kicker, and kick returner, while two players are selected at running back, wide receiver, offensive tackle, offensive guard, outside linebacker, inside/middle linebacker, defensive end, defensive tackle, cornerback, and safety.

The Associated Press and its Associated Press NFL All-Pro Team is the "All-Pro team" that is of most note, likely due to the fact that it has been consecutively chosen since the 1940s. The United Press International All-Pro poll began then as well, yet beginning in 1970 UPI began to choose All-Conference teams, that is one each from two conferences in the National Football League, the AFC and NFC. UPI last chose those teams in 1996. The Newspaper Enterprise Association began choosing All-Pro teams in 1954 and they ran though 1996. The Pro Football Writers Association began choosing All-Pros in 1966 and continues today. In the early 1990s they began publishing their All-Pro team in Pro Football Weekly.

Is the case with the press polls, as are mentioned above, they are simply a poll of writers who are asked to select the top players at each position on a football squad. The votes are tallied and were published in the various newspaper syndicates, like the AP, UPI, NEA, etc.

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Which means more, Pro-Bowler or All Pro?
Pro-Bowler
0 votes
All Pro
20 votes
Neither they're both biased
6 votes

26 votes | Poll has closed

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Good Analysis

Thanks for taking the trouble to clear up these distinctions. I think both honors are good, but clearly All-Pro is better. Not that many players are really All-Pro, check out the chronological selections of the Bronco media guide.

by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 17, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks BB

I was starting to get irritated everytime someone was label a player “Pro-Bowl QB or WR” or “Franchise QB or such” becasue there seemed to be an awful lot of bias in those statements.

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

all-pro all the way

pro bowl is a joke. people just vote 4 people they like instead of people that deserve it like clady. what a joke

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by broncoboy on Jun 17, 2009 12:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I was pissed....

Granted, not surprised – that Clady wasn’t there.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 17, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ya me too,

Clady played like he’d been around for years, he was certainly deserving.

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

All-Pro is where it's at

Although writers have their biases, players are much worse; the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest and the selections are often undeserving. There is rarely a whole lot to dispute with the All-Pro choices. Clady is a perfect example; in the All-Pro voting he was a second-teamer and a close third to the two first-teamers. He didn’t even make the Pro Bowl.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 17, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

BTW

Rec’d – thanks for posting about this difference. It is important and everyone on MHR should be in the know. The term “Pro-Bowler” gets tossed around too much and seems to mean “great player” but it’s just often not the case. See O’Neal, Deltha and James, Tory for perfect examples.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 17, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks NYC

Seems is recent years average players have made the Pro-Bowl because they are very popular with the fans. But, in reality they aren’t difference makers in the actual game on a consistant basis.

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

All-Pro for sure

It seems with allowing the fans a vote – even if it supposedly only counts for a third of the total – fans can log onto nfl.com and vote AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT!

That, imho is ridiculous and throws the whole voting process askew. I would prefer to go back to coaches and players selecting, or if they could set it up so fans could only vote once, but the only way I see that happening is if it was a mail in ballot or something.

Great post, thanks for the definitions and discussion! Rec’d! Good to know the difference

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 17, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

I think they are somewhat biased either direction

Granted pro-bowl has fan ballots which may make things more of a popularity contest, and I am not sure how it is weighted as far as the voting, but I think there obviously is some bias toward known names.

But with the All-pro you have writers that may only be covering one team and not see a lot of the other players, so they will naturally go with bigger name guys if they haven’t seen any of the other guys. In addition, I think there is a natural east coast biased to the voters as many of them will be in major media markets and will vote for their guys before someone in a smaller market, unless that guy is a big name (Favre).

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by Broncoman on Jun 17, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

I think there obviously is some bias toward known names.

*cough*brettfavre*cough*

by lolcopter on Jun 17, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

And that’s where I see the problem. I think the fan input in the Pro-Bowl votes actually sways the MSM input.

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

We had 3 Pow Bowlers and one All-Pro

which of those guys would you rather have on your team?

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by Jon Tollerud on Jun 17, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Me..

I’d rather have the All-Pro…….

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

feel up to adding a poll on here bchiper?

It would certainly benefit from one.

And great addition to the MHR lexicon. A needed difference to know.

And definietly leave at-large fan voting off the block.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2009 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Styg

for the recommendation. I’ve added the Poll…

by bchiper on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fan voting sucks...

If any of you follow hockey it was pretty ridiculous this year. The starting lineup was pretty much the Red Wings against the Canadiens…at least Detroit has good players…Montreal, not so much.

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by TD4HOF on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Pro-Bowlers are over blown,

great players every year are not in the Pro-Bowl. I look at a player for what he did for the team, and you hear it all the time, he won’t make the Pro-Bowl because of what the team did. I think that is wrong and there are great players who out perform the ones selected that are left out. All-Pro.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 17, 2009 7:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Vaguest of them all - the Franchise tag

In spite of its officially sanctioned designation with respect to the rules for compensating a team during Free Agency, the Franchise tag, most often applied to the QB, appears to be decided on and assigned wily-nilly by MSM football pundits who also decree that EVERY team must have or seek one, at all cost, if it intends to contend.

If a Franchise Tagee with one big year with lots of yards (but few wins), one Pro-Bowl appearance (probably voted in by grateful Fantasy Players), suddenly falls back to the cold, windy earth and becomes merely sensation is the Tag revoked?

broncorat

by broncorat on Jun 17, 2009 10:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Probably not...

the MSM usually will just make excuses for the average play and say just wait ’till next year…….

by bchiper on Jun 18, 2009 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

thanks for the great distinctions; rec'd

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

by Brian Shrout on Jun 17, 2009 11:20 PM MDT reply actions  

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