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Trading Marshall would create constant turmoil in Denver

I think it is an absolutely terrible idea to trade Marshall and here is why:  We just let Cutler cry his way out of Denver just  a couple of short months ago.  I have read MSM articles on how Curtler has created the blueprint on how to get out of Denver.  Blueprint?  Really?  He simply said I want to be traded and didn't return Bronco executive phone calls.  Although for very different reasons (money), Marshall follows this "blueprint" and says he wants out of Denver.  I know he isn't (so far) cutting off communication with management.  A lot of posters are saying to BM, "fine, if you don't want to be here then go somewhere else".  Um, that is a bad way to look at this, in my opinion.  I am not going to debate his off field issues or his abilities on the field.  What is important is that he must stay.  He must stay because it cannot be this easy to get out of Denver.  I am sure there were times in every players mind when they wanted out of Denver, including Elway and everybody else.....well except Rod Smith.  They may have only wanted out for a month or so before they got over it, but they probably wanted out.  If we keep saying that if you don't want to play for the Broncos then we will make sure we accomodate you, then this will never end.  I don't care if we like BM or not.  I don't care if we sit him the whole year.  Just don't trade him!


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to play devil's advocate

Isn’t the reverse also true? If Bowlen honors BMarsh’s original request for a bigger contract, is he not setting himself up for a constant stream of players who want more money and try to get it by threatening to request a trade?

I think there are lot of issues going on that we don’t know about. I think it was good that BMarsh talked with Bowlen. I also don’t think that Bowlen’s going to pull the trigger on a quick trade — which will give BMarsh a chance to sit back and think it over. What happens if a month from now when training camp starts, BMarsh discovers that no-one was willing to give the Broncos what they wanted for him?

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

by BShrout on Jun 17, 2009 3:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you are playing devil's advocate

I am not sure I would give him a bigger contract either. That is probably worth a whole discussion as well. I just wouldn’t trade him. Sooner or later the execs need to make a stand and say no more. If they don’t, then nobody will respect them in as leaders. I say do it sooner, even without the big contract extension.

by bonaire on Jun 17, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree - No on contract!

That’s the last thing the Broncos should do. That would be rewarding BM for his idiotic behavior over the past several years. I’m sure that management has said the same thing and that is the reason for the trade request.
I also have doubts about his trade value, but there are always a few desperate fools amongst the NFL owners. If the Broncos can get a 1st round pick in 2010 plus a servicable receiver, I say get the deal done. Anything less, he stays and fullfills his contract.

by rocko1 on Jun 17, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

One bad apple

For my money, if a player wants out, he needs to go. He’s saying ’it’s about me" not the team. There are 53 players that help the club win. Each one dependant on the others to do their jobs. If even one is ‘just going through the motions’, they risk losing. The culture, IMHO, is getting changed for the better. We’re going back to a team first mentality. That mentality wins games.
Go Broncos!

by sbsbroncofan on Jun 17, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

But what about....

I am 40 and already my mind is going but wasn’t Elway quite unhappy with Reeves at one point. Didn’t if essentially say it was going to be Elway or Reeves that goes but both aren’t saying (not in so many words, I know). My point is that I believe even our best and most liked players probably wanted out from time to time and may voiced it more if they thought it was this easy.

by bonaire on Jun 17, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's also look

at what happens when you don’t move a guy who doesn’t want to play, see Exhibit A – Ocho Stinko. If the reports were accurate, they would’ve had, potentially, two 1st round draft picks from the Redskins the year before last (a first and a conditional 3rd that could escalate to a 1st based on his performance). But the Bengals sat on him, saw his production plummet and stunk it up pretty bad last season. Would they have been better served to move 85? I think so… I rather have a happy BMarsh that wants to play here, but if we get a fair deal, then I say we move on. Team first from here on out….

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Jun 17, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point

I see your point and agree with it for an individual player. I am just concerned that letting two of our stars go in such a short time may let others think they can do it when it is convenient for them…creating constant turmoil.

by bonaire on Jun 17, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

this may not come out right...

but I think the impact of losing two star players (translated: damn fun to watch players) affects us the fans more than it does the players. Of course nobody wants to lose a Brandon Marshall type player, but I have to believe that the guys who dress believe they can excel in his absence.

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Jun 17, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent point bfunk

I simply do not see the value of sitting on a player who isunhappy. It just ends up spreading hte unhappiness around like a cancer.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Marshall's a wee bit different than 85 though.

Ochocinco knows his team can’t function well without him. Our squad will do fine without Marshall suiting up week to week. If he does sit, and we start to win some games, I guarantee he’ll want in. It’s a lot easier to stand your ground when your teams losing because of it, but it the team’s moved on and is still successful, then it defeats the purpose of being a crybaby about it. My thoughts:

If he does stay and he does ride the bench, he’s going to laugh any time we make a bad play, and he’ll laugh harder if we lose games.

If we start to win games though, he’s going to be itching to get in there. He’ll eventually come around with his tail between his legs and start to work hard to get back on.

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Jun 17, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree comparisons, like metaphors, tend to break down...

i just think there’s something to be said for jumping at the right deal. The thing we don’t know is whether this is just a ploy by Brandon (could he be pulling a Kobe) or does he really have a Cutler-like desire to move on no matter what? If he doesn’t get moved, then I could totally see us sitting on him since he doesn’t have as much leverage as he thinks he does. I’m of the belief that if he doesn’t get moved, for whatever reason, he will come back and play. Brandon seems like he loves to play the game and wouldn’t want to let down his teammates once the season begins… (although some might argue he is by missing OTAs).

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Jun 17, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we're also forgetting one VERY important motivating factor here....

MONEY. Him sitting will mean HE’S holding out which means he won’t be getting paid, which is what all of this is really about. And why, for the most part, any comparisons to the Cutler situation are slightly misguided. Marshall loves the game and wants to play, but I seriously doubt he will be cheering for losses or itching to play simply because we’re winning. He’ll want to play because he loves the game (and I suspect his teammates), BUT…. a HUGE motivating factor will be that he’s not getting paid week in and week out. And because sitting out a contract year after a hip surgery that can be difficult to recover from on top of several highly publicized off the field issues will certainly do nothing to get him a large contract next season. Although I think any contracts moving forward (with any team) will be laden with clauses (much like Travis Henry) that protect the Broncos (or any team) financially against any further suspensions or legal troubles.

The point is, as has been stated, the Broncos have ALL of the leverage here. I agree that having a player holdout is never a good thing as far as team distractions go, but you still have to do what’s best for the team in the long run. And caving to his demands either with a fat new contract or a trade that isn’t more than equitable for the Broncos, just doesn’t make sense. I don’t want a player here who doesn’t want to be here either, but I’m not sure that’s really the case…..at least not yet. I also don’t mind him asking for more money, but he needs to go about it in a MUCH better and more professional manner (i.e. see Casey Wiegmann).

If he continues to hold out, and we start inching closer and closer to training camp and maybe even the season, AND we find we can get solid value for him (and I mean something pretty darn decent), then I say make the deal. Management doesn’t care about appeasing Marshall, they care about fielding a winning football team from players who want to be here.

As far as the precedent and the Cutler blueprint and what not, I think that is a bit overrated and overblown. Not to say it’s not somewhat of a factor, but each of the players and their situations are very different. The choice of a player to simply sit, ignore phone calls and pout their way out of town, whether because of money or hurt feelings or whatever, is not exactly unprecedented. It’s happened to just about every team at one time or another. You deal with each situation differently and based on that moment, player, team, etc and do what’s best for your football team. There isn’t all of a sudden this blueprint for getting what you want as a player and that somehow Cutler was the first to discover this. If it had been in our best interest to keep Cutler, then he’d still be Bronco. If it’s in our best interest to keep Marshall, then he’ll remain a Bronco. I guarantee both would/will eventually (have) play(ed) if the Broncos didn’t/don’t grant their individual requests because the individual player have too much to lose. A team is more than any one player and can and will survive. However, the player only has a finite amount of time to play and make his money and he’s not going to waste a significant portion of it sitting at home watching his team play without him while also not getting paid. It does happen from time to time, but players holding out for a significant amount of time AND then getting what they want is INCREDIBLY rare. And I don’t see it happening in the case of Marshall either. Even John Elway, who did all but say to Bowlen “it’s me or Reeves”, was kept because Bowlen felt that was the best move for the franchise. It wasn’t to appease Elway. If he thought Elway was the reason for the team’s Super Bowl failures and could trade him for a ton of picks and players (which he could have), then Elway would’ve been gone. It happened to be the right decision for THAT particular situation, but it wasn’t to appease any particular player or coach.

I have a feeling they’re already looking at trade options for Marshall simply because it would be prudent to do so, but that nothing will happen (based on demand at this time of year) until training camp. Then we’ll see how serious Marshall is about sitting and how serious other teams are about making an offer for him. Then, if he still holds out and there are not trade offers we like, I think the Broncos will say, “Fine, stay home. We’ll be just fine without you.” Personally I hope it’s worked out and Marshall stays, but I’m a Broncos fan first and a players fan second.

  • Sorry, I know this was a little long. Sometimes I just get on a roll and can’t stop. :-)

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes

by RockyMtnHigh on Jun 17, 2009 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could be one of the best thing that happened this off season... a trade for marshall.

His value is still high, not as high as it could be with is off the field issues, but he is a great player. Say we do get a good trade for him and then he screws up again off the field. We will be thanking our lucky stars!

Not that I want to trade him… but he is high risk – high reward. I wouldn’t mind shopping him if we can get high reward – low risk. He wants to be shopped… we should try. If not he remains a Bronco. I see this as great business sense.

My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.

by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 17, 2009 3:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey YELLOW great to see ya man...

Running off your theme…let him come to camp, prove he is fit….then trade his arse.
His value will be more if he can prove he is fit!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 17, 2009 3:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I see you guys are looking at this from a value perspective

I just think that value is one thing but precedence may be more dangerous and damaging.

by bonaire on Jun 17, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boydy - Mate!

Always close… just super busy lately with work trips.

Thanks for the shout-out!

My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.

by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 17, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe the Broncos actually want to trade Marshall

I think the FO either declined to offer an extension due to uncertainty (recovery from surgery, possible suspension) or they told him it would be incentive based. Marshall & agent think he can do better. Bowlin said go test the market and see what you find.

They are essentially treating him like a RFA one year early.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 17, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.

by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 17, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

or like Ashley Lelie

Could be they’re treating him the same way they treated Lelie.

Let’s hope the Ravens or the Giants are bigger suckers than the Bears. Can you imagine Brandon Marshall in the NYC media spotlight. He’d probably shoot himself in both legs.

But who will guard the guards themselves?

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jun 17, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAhahahahahahaha

I love it. I LOVE that.

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Jun 17, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree SWG

I think that you just described very simply what’s probably going on here. They want Marshall and are probably willing to give him some type of pay increase with a new contract, but one that is incentive based and heavy on the clauses protecting the Broncos financially from any further off the field problems or suspensions. It also might just be lower than what Marshall would like and he also knows that his numbers aren’t likely to be what they’ve been because of the injury or the new system or both which makes triggering those incentives and bonuses that much tougher. He’s been a helluva player and I actually don’t mind him looking out for his financial well being (even as ridiculous as the amounts these athletes get paid are), but there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about it (Casey Wiegmann).

I think you’re right that he wants more (meaning overall money and less incentive based) than they are offering. So they simply said, “Okay, fine (meaning go test the market) and we’ll see how it all works out (meaning you’re not getting the contract you want and you’re not going anywhere unless we get value for you). Good luck with the rehab and we’ll see you when we see you.”

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes

by RockyMtnHigh on Jun 17, 2009 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No trade

Weigeman showed the players the right way to do it. The broncos hold all the cards in the BMarsh game. He is a valuable part of the offense. Too many questions surrounding BMarsh right now, for any team to offer much for him. I agree 100% with you bonaire.

by rg2247 on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Weigeman's case was a message from the FO.

You want contract? Show up, do your job, don’t be stupid and we’ll pay you.

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on Point

Rg2247 said it. There is a blueprint here. It’s how to get a raise and how not too. Casey showed how to do it. The organization (McD and Bowen) appreciated that. Marshall with no real basis for it showed how not to do it. The blueprint is simple. If you want to stay a Bronco and get a pay raise, show you really want to. If you want a ticket out of town, show you don’t. That’s what Marshall did whether he intended to or not. The blueprint is there. It’s just a matter of if your smart enough to chose the right one.

by DBCLASS on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precedent

vs Prudence. I don’t see any reason for the team to “take a stand.” If a player doesn’t want to play or can’t play, then prudence dictates get rid of him! That is a far better and stronger precedent than giving in to contract demands when a player has few or no bargaining chips. I don’t want the team to bench him just to spite themselves and him. That’s nothing more than a pissing contest.

I think it should be EASY for ANY player to get out of Denver if they don’t want to put forth the effort to be a proud and productive Denver Bronco!!! If a player wants a better paycheck, other teams will come knocking on our door if the player proves he’s worth it and, judging by Wiegman’s deal and years of watching Bowlen’s behavior, the team will do everything in it’s power to keep you. It has nothing to do with loyalty. It has everything to do with professionalism.

by Endzone on Jun 17, 2009 5:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

well put

Don’t want to be here? Don’t like the broncos? In the absence of significant data to make me question the organization, I would definitely hopw it was as painless as possible to let players like that leave. It is best for EVERYONE!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was good.

Made me rethink my position a bit.

Nice and thanks!

by NedBronco on Jun 17, 2009 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

And, suppose we trade Marshall, and then have a really good season, AND have several receivers with great stats. I know, I’m reaching, but it could happen.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ain't the Brandon Marshall of 2007

IMO last year he was nowhere near the threat he was in 2007. In 07 he broke one run after another. Last year he would immediately surrender 2-5 yards after the catch and then get tackled most of the time. His stats were OK because he was generally the primary target for Jay " the little girl" Cutler. No way does anyone give up a first round pick for Marshall – take a second round pick and be glad the whiner is gone.

by keeroc on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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