Horse Tracks 6/18/09 - Wiegmann gets paid; Boss, we hardly knew ye

DB - Wiegmann, Broncos Agree to Contract Extension
Casey Wiegmann received an extra year on a renegotiated contract; financial terms were not disclosed. Wiegmann of course, was brought in last year to be a backup and was paid accordingly. Everyone seems to be happy with the deal.
DP - Bailey tandem takes hit with Boss' release
LB Boss Bailey was released yesterday; he made $7.15 million to play in 6 games as a Bronco. Also, BMarsh will be running his football camp today in Aurora.
DP - Krieger: Marshall deserves new deal
Krieger makes the case for BMarsh to get paid in Denver. Interestingly, part of his argument is the assumption that a new deal would have provisions for his off-field issues. Not so sure about that one, Dave...who's to say BMarsh or the NFLPA would go for that?
DP - Wiegmann's payoff built by patience
According to LJones, Wiegmann could receive $4.7 million over the next two years in his new deal, but no word on how much is guaranteed. Apparently, Wiegmann left minicamp thinking retirement was upon him without a new contract; but he still showed up to work out and Josh McDaniels commended his handling of the situation.
DB - Sounds from Minicamp - Broncos TV
Some video clips from minicamp; nothing earth-shattering, but still nice to see the guys in action (sort of).
ESPN - Why Denver shouldn't trade Marshall
Pork Chop actually promotes the cool-headed approach.
NFP - Wednesday Whys: Plaxico Burress
Andrew Brandt agrees with his colleague Lombardi, saying that BMarsh is unlikely to mature. In fact, he thinks a lucrative contract would mean quite the opposite.
SI - Kyle Orton-Chris Simms competition likely was predetermined - Ross Tucker
Like Matt Bowen the other day, Tucker calls the Orton-Simms competition a sham. Probably so, but where was this column last month?
NFL - Don’t blame Bowlen for stupid moves - Jamie Dukes
Of course, you know who Dukes blames...
FOX - Schein's Nine: Texans are playoff bound
Adam Schein offers a backhanded compliment to Josh McDaniels.
NT - Darrell Reid to host football camp
Reid is hosting a camp back home in NJ next week.
WP - Redskins Insider - Pros and Cons of B. Marshall
Paul Tenorio considers whether BMarsh could be worth the Skins' trouble.
DP - Bears: No need to add Burress or Marshall
I don't even know what to say...
AJC - Sailor got loan from lobbyist before key vote
Former Broncos WR Willie Green is caught up in a lobbying scandal involving a former Georgia state representative.
OS - Woman says NFL veteran Travis Henry fathered twins, owes money
It just never ends for this idiot - Travis, there's a little operation called a vasectomy....
KCS - (7th-round pick) Kicker set to sign with Chiefs
CCT - Raiders' Russell calls teammates for practice session
Wow, really? Did someone put him up to this? Maybe in exchange for a month's supply of Big Macs?
SDUT - Leaf apprehended at U.S.-Canada border
NFL - Wilf tells season ticket holders that decision is Favre's to make
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
CBS - Soft judge puts Goodell in hard place on Stallworth - Ray Ratto
Y! - Q&A: Giants' Reese discusses WRs, injury info - Jason Cole
GM Jerry Reese explains the team's approach at receiver and why true No. 1 WRs are overrated.
NFL - Offseason departures will put Ravens' defense to the test - Bucky Brooks
CBS - No. 1 D? Rhodes might want Giant mulligan on that one - Clark Judge
SI - Matt Millen tries to remake image after Detroit Lions debacle - Don Banks
Good luck with that one (Charlie Rogers, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams).
NFP - Notes from Lombardi: the delay game
Mike Lombardi thinks the Raiders might trade Derrick Burgess following their signing of DE/LB Greg Ellis, although he also points out that Jokeland never does what's logical. He also considers Plaxico Burress' situation.
NFP - The impact players: NFC South - Matt Bowen
NFL - Seahawks' Mora humbled, better prepared in second stint as head coach - Steve Wyche
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aahhh, coffee and Broncos drama
my usual morning routine ;)
thanks for all the links!
by PortlandOrange on Jun 18, 2009 6:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 18, 2009 6:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC!
and if I haven’t mentioned it earlier, thanks for bringing back the source initials at the beginning of each line. Funny how a little thing like that can speed my shoveling of your day’s catch. Appreciated!
Oh, and Jamie Dukes needs to go back to pundit school and learn how to THINK before speaking. Until then, he should stuff a sock in his pie hole. I’ve never seen anyone pontificate so much with such a complete disaffection for reality.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 6:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Morning all
Thanks NYC
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 18, 2009 7:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else think
that Pork Chop has been sniping MHR for research?
That stuff looks almost verbatim to some of our discussions here.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on Jun 18, 2009 7:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be surprised
but — hi Bill! if you’re reading this.
People here mean the nicknames for you purely affectionately.
by underdog on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading it
I’d say it’s a near-certainty.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 18, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
After seeing some of the tripe other members of the MSM put out
I think reading MHR is definitely to his credit. And for the record, I never cared for that nickname. I myself could stand to lose a few, knowwudimean?
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jason Cole Q&A is interesting...
Cole want to push the idea that you NEED to have a true #1 WR and Jerry Reese flatly says no! Coming from a GM who has built a pretty good team that says a lot. Maybe Marshall should read the article before he holds out too long.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 18, 2009 7:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1... It was a great read
The exact quotes were great:
Reese: …My point is, all those guys at the top – Fitzgerald, Moss, Owens, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson – when you say it’s a receiver-driven league, those five guys have zero Super Bowl rings. Zero.
Cole: OK, but Moss and Fitzgerald have been real close the past two years.
Reese: Yeah, but my point is that you don’t have to have one of those guys to make it. When New England won its first Super Bowl, do you know who the receivers were? You can’t remember and that’s my point exactly. At the time, Brady was a guy just coming on.
Cole: But that first Super Bowl for New England was different and the league has changed since that time. It’s even more wide open. You see guys like Fitzgerald take over the way he did in the playoffs last year and he basically carried that team to the Super Bowl.
Reese: But he didn’t win it and that’s what I’m talking about. Nobody cares that he almost won it. They only care that you did win it.
Love it! And it puts our current Bronco ordeal with Marshall in context…
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
by BroncTastic on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
something to the extent of:
200 catches and 2000 yards doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the ring?
http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess which team in that super bowl did have receivers..
and who they were…
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 19, 2009 3:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krieger is right on this one.
NYC Bronco wrote: “Krieger makes the case for BMarsh to get paid in Denver. Interestingly, part of his argument is the assumption that a new deal would have provisions for his off-field issues. Not so sure about that one, Dave…who’s to say BMarsh or the NFLPA would go for that?”
I completely disagree with NYC on this one. It’s been stated about a million times on this website that BM has no leverage in this situation. As such, why would BM suddenly possess the ability to prevent Denver from drafting bad-boy provisions into his contract for off field issues.
As Judge Smails would say, BM “You’ll get nothing and like it”.
BM and his agent’s first priority is to get Brandon more money, which he deserves based on his on field production. The money ($ per year and signing bonus) is where BM should and will dig his heels in.
Due to his numerous off field incidents (one still pending), claw back provisions based on his off field issues is a point of contention where BM has the absolute least amount of leverage.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree he has no leverage
But you have to keep in mind that any contract must first past muster with the NFLPA
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 18, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may not be able to make it contingent on off-field behavior....
but teams frequently put in incentive clauses based on the number of games played or the percentage of downs played. Its very difficult for a suspended played to meet those conditions.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 18, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you agree that BM has no leverage, you should agree that the contract must FIRST pass muster with Xanders and Bowlen. That is the only way a new contract is getting executed.
Remember this. It’s Denver’s signature that BM wants. The Broncos already have BM’s signature on the dotted line of his rookie deal.
If Denver does give BM a new deal, you can bet your a** Denver will have some high paid attorney’s drafting the off field provision language.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
In all leagues, the player unions have say over contract language and what they will allow. It doesn’t matter what BMarsh and the Broncos hypothetically agree to, as the NFLPA would probably nix any language contingent upon off-field behavior.
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 18, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's you that continues to miss the point.
I’m certain the Broncos and their attorneys know what would and what would not fly as far as getting a deal approved by the NFLPA. And great lawyers (which I bet Denver has in spades) will know ways to draft legally acceptable language that protects Denver from BMs off field transgressions.
The point that you are missing is that BM will have to suck it up and take it on issues relating to his off field antics because he has ZERO leverage here. ANY and ALL teams that sign BM (to a deal that is financially acceptable to Marshall) would require such language to be air-tight. ANY and ALL teams.
I’ll ask you this way: Do you think another NFL team would sign BM to a fair market deal right now (i.e. $10MM per year deal with a massive signing bonus) without including provisions to account for his off field issues? If so than I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
But I still maintain that Krieger (and Billips) are correct here and that BM will have to live with language that protects his employer in the event he gets in trouble again.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never said that BM has any leverage. I made that quite clear above. I also never said any other team would pay him the big bucks. You’re assigning a lot of opinions to me which I have never expressed.
This is not about having smart lawyers. Find me a contract signed by a top player which includes provisions for off-field transgressions.
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are fighting an uphill battle here.
You said Krieger was wrong to assume “BMarsh or the NFLPA would go for” a contract “would have provisions for his off-field issues.” But I contend that it is you that is wrong, not Krieger. BM wants a new deal that pays him fair market value for his on field production. NO team will give him such a deal right now without “provisions for his off-field issues” Krieger is absolutely right. If BM wants a new deal today, he’s doing to have to bend over and take a lot of team friendly claw-back language in that contract.
My point is BM won’t (at the present) be able to get a new contract from ANY team without agreeing to team friendly "provisions for his off-field issues".
Well…. maybe Al Davis would?
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're both on the same page here
I don’t think that NYC is arguing that Denver wouldn’t look into a character-based contract, or that Marshall has a great deal of leverage. I’d bet that everyone on MHR would agree that character-based contracts would be IDEAL in this situation.
What NYC is saying (and now has my curiousity piqued) is that it just may not be possible, even with a teams of lawyers. It may very well be a line that the NFLPA will not cross…hence the lack of character-based contracts in the NFL. If, indeed, that is the case, that’s the end of that matter.
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
by Disco_Stu on Jun 18, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are several tools in the tool box for that will allow the Broncos to legally protect themselves in the event BM gets in trouble with the law again.
Claw back language, incentives, roster bonuses, recapture provision, etc.
Marshall is going to have to swallow very hard when he sees the way EVERY team would draw up a new deal for him. BM won’t be signing a Larry Fitzgerald type contract anytime soon. BM won’t be able to dictate much of anything when his new deal is penned.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the question I have
after arguing the same thing for the past week, is: why haven’t they done the deal yet?
They signed Weigmann. They’re signing their rookies. They have one of their biggest recent contributors of the past three years ready to sign a long extension, they are familiar with his background, have helped him overcome his personal adversity, they have all the leverage they need… so why hasn’t it happened yet??
Maybe the Broncos know something about his status that we don’t, healthwise or legalwise. Or maybe he’s just done being a Bronco.
But there has to be a reason that they haven’t pounced on this.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
wish I’d read Stu’s comment below before posting the above. ; )
Sounds like a reasonable reason. (Oh look, a redundant redundancy!)
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe he is simply asking for more money than Denver wants to pay him.
My guess, BM and Denver are miles apart when it comes to signing bonus and salary per season.
There is no correlation between Weigmann and BM. BM wants a long term deal that is have a profound impact on Denver’ s cap for the next several seasons. Weigmann signed a two year deal as a 36 year old player. Apples and Oranges.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although
Going over Guru’s new post a bit more, it looks like a character-based contract could be done…but it wouldn’t do anything to prevent the CAP hit. That makes a character-based contract almost moot, as it would still be an effective loss of money.
Bummer…I think it would have been a great idea…
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
by Disco_Stu on Jun 18, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In previous years
the team could designate some bonuses as likely to be earned (in which case they counted agianst this years cap) and not likely to be earned (which would count against next year if they were earned). As it stands now, all bonuses count against this years cap. However, the last I checked the Broncos actually have quite a bit of cap space to play with.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 18, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
How do we know that the current dispute isn’t over precisely the KIND of contract Marshall is demanding?
And again, it makes no sense to give Marshall bupkis until he shows at camp, proves he can run and catch, and his August court hearing comes and goes without incident.
by JeffG on Jun 18, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Williamson went to Chico State (FACT).
And I also agree with the person that thinks Tubbs Williamson is “biting” any and all ideas he reads on this site.
That clown is a hack to the Nth degree.
by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Wiegmann's contract
Sooner or later it’s going to dawn on people that Xanders is in charge of contracts. I don’t want to stand in the way of revisions of attitudes concerning McDaniels but the truth is much of what has been placed at McDaniels’ doorstep is in Xanders area of responsibility.
I was reminded of this fact once again yesterday as I read the new press guide.
PRESS GUIDE —
Xanders leads all initiatives in evaluating player talent for the Broncos while directing the club’s college scouting department through the NFL Draft and the pro personnel department with offseason acquisitions. He also supervises the Broncos’ football operations, labor operations, equipment, medical, video, football information systems and turf operations departments.
During Xanders’ first offseason as general manager in 2009, the Broncos led the NFL in both new player acquisitions (46) and unrestricted free agent signings (16). Among the new additions to the Broncos was seven-time Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins, whom the club signed as an unrestricted free agent from the Philadelphia Eagles.
In addition, Denver executed five trades during the 2009 offseason that yielded seven players (quarterback Kyle Orton and six players selected in the 2009 NFL Draft). The Broncos are set to enter the 2009 season with nine new projected starters (offense and defense) acquired by the club through the draft, free agency and trades.
Reading recent complaints which blamed McDaniels for decisions made during the draft brought this point home again. There have been indications that McDaniels is involved in many of these decisions but to ignore Xanders, especially when it’s his area of primary responsibility, says something about many fans’ attitudes. This is yet another instance in which the anti-McDaniels’ attitudes are both obvious and ill founded.
"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 18, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
and wonder why that point hasn’t been more obvious to people like Jamie Dukes. McDaniels is NOT Mike Shanahan, in title or responsibility.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes is too busy
proclaiming his school (FSU) as the “Harvard of the South” to think about such things…
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 18, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Dukes
Just looked at JD’s blog entry.
It was hard for Dukes to get any lower but he’s been digging — apparently.
"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop digging.
The first rule of getting yer a$$ out of a hole.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the language, Ok McC?
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oop$
: ) NOW I see the warning?
(per my comment above)
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 18, 2009 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic but Kern vs Colquitt
Saw an intriguing note from Denver Daily the other day about how Britton Colquitt, the FA punter from Tennessee was looking extremely impressive in practice and Brett Kern should be worried, etc. I also know that Colquitt had some character concerns in college (he could be a more innocuous version of Todd Sauerbrun). Anyway — has anyone heard anything about this battle?
I know punting’s not as sexy to follow as a some other position battles but it’s still important. I kinda like Brett Kern myself, but if the other guy’s a stud…
by underdog on Jun 18, 2009 4:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what I heard
Colquitt is a very talented punter and he’s shown that in camp but there’s a mix of emotions that come in to play when seeing how many times he’s been arrested for alcohol related crimes (DUIs from what I recall).
Alcohol problems strongly tend to recur, but not always necessarily. The real question with him is his current use of alcohol, and where he’s at concerning his history of alcohol abuse. It’s a complex topic that I can’t address adequately in a short post.
"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
thanks, makes sense. Something to keep an eye on. If he seems truly “cleaned up” then he’s worth a look, seems talented. If there are concerns, I’m pretty sure McDaniels will have them, too, despite what the Denver Daily says. I’d rather not have the team add yet another potential off the field distraction, and at the punter position no less.
But again, if he’s clean and sober and looking great, seems intriguing.
by underdog on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking/punting get s whole lot sexier when you've been in the bottom 3 in the league in field position
Heck, if it can get us 10 extra yards I’ll hire a nice young gal in a French bikini to do the punting…..Good kicking is ‘sexy’ as heck
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 18, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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