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Pat Bowlen article on Bleacher Report

On Bleacher Report, I just found this interesting article on Pat Bowlen. It basically says that the deaths of Darrent Williams and Damien Nash had an influence on how he felt about Mike Shanahan:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/201216-has-pat-bowlen-gone-around-the-bend

I think that this article gives a good insight on why we are where we are with the Broncos as of this moment, why a certain Mr. Cutler is gone, and why a certain Mr. Marshall may be joining him. And, it explains why the Broncos were looking for so many high character guys in the 2008 draft.

Enjoy!!




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thanks for finding that article

it puts forth a very good perspective on what’s been going on.

rec’d

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

by BShrout on Jun 19, 2009 6:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+2, Rec'd

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Jun 19, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome article. Thanks for the find!!!

Some very good points and I think the writer is really onto something!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 19, 2009 6:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Great article that I agree with totally. So good I am surprised it didn’t originate on MHR!

by pastordan on Jun 19, 2009 6:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Surprising....

That the article came from a Chiefs fan!

Great find, thanks for sharing!!!!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 19, 2009 7:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty Bold Article

I really enjoyed that read. Alton Rex brings to light some very interesting insight. Thanks for the find.

by bchiper on Jun 19, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Cleaning House

I always felt that Cutler’s departure from Denver was more from Pat Bowlen than Mcdaniels. When Bowlen said

I really would like to keep him here but if you are not going to be a happy camper, there’s no reason for you to be here".

He said this at the same time McDaniels was still trying clear the air with Cutler. Maybe the meeting between Marshall and Bowlen was more of a one sided, “You work for me, you make horrible personal decisions, tell me why I should let you stay with Broncos, and on top of that give you a raise? If you don’t want to be here any longer, I will trade you as long as I get resonable compensation. Let my secretary know when you decide and now get out of my office.” Something along those lines, ship up or get out.

Good article with a great perspective.

Rec’d

"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton

by diviesti on Jun 19, 2009 9:17 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

"I always felt that Cutler’s departure from Denver was more from Pat Bowlen than Mcdaniels."

I always thought it was mostly from Cutler. He talked about being traded after Shanahan was let go and before McDaniels was hired.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I guess i was more leaning towards who pulled the trigger in Denver

"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton

by diviesti on Jun 19, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I always thought it was mostly from Cutler. "

Yes. But I think with the happy concurrence of both Mr. Bowlen and Coach McDaniels. And, FWIW, my happy concurrence also.

Growing older is not for sissies. Jack Palance

by bradley on Jun 19, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good article but what I really appreciate

is the originality. It is so refreshing to read someone who has an original insight instead of just recycling the opinions of the mainstream. Of course it’s Bleacher Report so it’s not mainstream. And newspapers wonder why they are dying off.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 19, 2009 9:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m not in the habit of tipping my cap to a Chiefs fan, but I do so here….

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington

by Broncs Cheer on Jun 19, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Find

Thanks PAB

With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg

by KaptainKirk on Jun 19, 2009 9:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

the article was so-so

but i love how all the writers at the bleacher report let their team bias seep through in their writing. they immediately start off with, “well, I’m an Eagles fan, but here’s what I think.” at least you know where they’re coming from, as opposed to the more mainstream writers who are forced to hide their bias

by lolcopter on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Feed man! Thanx for that one.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Jun 19, 2009 11:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont mess with Bowlen

There is really only one thing I have learned with certainty this off season, don’t mess with Pat Bowlen. He rules Broncoland with an iron fist and will not tolerate insubordination. If he decides he wants a change, that change will happen. Yes, having mediocre season after mediocre season is part of what led to Shanny getting fired, but not wanting to relinquish the GM responsibilities and his stubbornness with Slowik were the straws that broke the camel’s back, IMHO. The Cutler decision was made when he refused to call back the man that signed his paychecks. I also find it interesting that BM met with Bowlen and not McD. Granted, it was during camp so I’m sure McD was busy, but still. I can’t help but think of the kind words BM said of Bowlen in his “good bye” blog. Perhaps that was his way of keeping the door open with the Broncos.
The bottom line is anyone this season that has tried in anyway shape or form to stand up to Bowlen is not longer part of the organization. Never piss off the guy who signs the checks.

by rollinthunder on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line is Pat Bowlen wants to win another Super Bowl, and he felt the team wasn't on track to get there.

But one thing is certain — whoever the Broncos decide on, he will be more than completely qualified for the job.

“I want him to be a 10 in every area,” Bowlen said in his press conference Wednesday. “I want somebody to come in here and win a Super Bowl. That is my No. 1 goal. With good coaches and good players, and good personnel, that is what our goal is every year. So I hope I can pick the right coach, personnel people and right players and we can go on and win the next Super Bowl.”

by bfree2bronc on Jun 19, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting article!

I’m not sure I buy it though. I think the Broncos .500 record over the past three years is the reason Shanahan is gone and not player behavior (that and Shanahan’s refusal to give up any power over the team). It does add a nice spin to the situation however. I think Bowlen is as ‘win-centric’ as any other NFL owner. He may have wanted to change the culture; however, I doubt player behavior was his primary concern.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jun 19, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it was any one thing...

I imagine that was a verrrrrrrry long plane ride home from SD. PB had plenty of time to reflect on the last three years and probably felt like the Broncos were no closer to a deep playoff run than they had been at the end of 2006 when they couldn’t beat lowly SF at home. Shanny wasn’t getting any closer to the promised land and didn’t seem to know the answers anymore. The Shanahan magic had stopped working.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 19, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Speculation

But what really puzzled me was how he tried to say Damian Nash’s tragic death reflected poorly on how Shanny ran the team. The man died during a charity basketball game – Damian Nash was a shining example of the mostly good guys we’ve had on the team, not one of the few “troublemakers” who get most of the press.

I agree with rollinthunder’s above comment – I think the mediocre seasons led to a need to remove GM Shanny, which also meant Coach Shanny was out.

by Gorbal on Jun 19, 2009 12:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nash

Well, I think that he included Damian’s death in there because of the timing of it, not because of the cause. It came on the heels of Darrent’s murder.

by PABroncofan on Jun 19, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...I think he was alluding it may have been a "sign" to Pat that change was needed....that the franchise was getting snake bit with Shanny at the helm.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 19, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder why

Shanny wasn’t fired last year, though?

Maybe that is a sign that he may have stayed if we would have went to the playoffs and won the first round game. He did start drafting high-caliber players last April.

by PABroncofan on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if this is the right forum for this, but......

The Darrent Williams death, affected a lot of lives. This is just about one individual, Javon Walker. I know Javon isn’t held in very high regard in Broncoland,but IMO, I think his falling out with the franchise, was because his world was rocked to its core, the night Darrent died in his arms. He was never the same player, or person, after that, & wanted out of Denver to try to distance himself from the memory of that night. He has never been the same person, even to this day. I know that is not how the breakup was portrayed by the MSM,but I’m not sure that would have ever came to the surface. I may be totally wrong on this, but I have never seen a player change so abruptly. Sorry, if this isn’t the time or place…..

by rg2247 on Jun 19, 2009 2:38 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Until you've had someone die in your arms

you cannot believe how it changes everything for you.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 21, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great find. I love that it's from a Chiefs fan.

My favorite line

Denver is a great city, and the Bronco’s are a noble team with a history worthy of protecting. If Mr. Bowlen has to run off a couple of punks to get his team back to where they become a jewel of the city rather than a focal point of tradgety and disgrace… I say he’s to be admired for the effort.

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Jun 19, 2009 5:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good not great

Opinions are wonderful but the absurd attempt at creative writing was pointless. What exactly is a Nordic receding hairline?

If Shanahan was treating players like men then he would/should have held them accountable for their actions. This does not require babysitting as the writer claims.

Cutler is gone because he wanted to be gone. He has and probably will continue to have maturity issues. Nothing that Cutler did is defensible. His tantrum at not be consulted when Shanahan was canned was pathetic.

by jdkchem on Jun 20, 2009 12:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

what tantrum you folks making this stuff up as you go?

And for the rest of you… Bowlen has made two good decisions in his Bronco career that stand out… he spends money to win and he HIRED Shanny!

by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 20, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the article:

If you look around the league, there are several teams you never see having off the field issues. Of those, the most successful are the Patriots. Josh McDaniels was the most attractive choice for Bowlen’s offensive mindset. It was a no-brainer.

Quoted from Sports Business Daily:

The Patriots have “another image problem” after OT Nick Kaczur reportedly aided federal officials in “their pursuit of a [drug] supplier” after being arrested himself on drug charges last month, according to Larry Weisman of USA TODAY. The Spygate scandal “sputtered to a close” last month, and now off-the-field player conduct “seems to be a burgeoning issue” for the club. The Patriots last season “found off-the-field distractions that did not serve the franchise’s best interests,” including Patriots QB Tom Brady fathering a child out of wedlock, S Rodney Harrison being suspended four games by the NFL for using HGH and WR Randy Moss being served a temporary restraining order. Since losing to the Giants in Super Bowl XLII, CB Willie Andrews and RB Kevin Faulk were both cited for possession of marijuana. Pro Sports MVP President David Chavez: “It’s like a black cloud continues to follow the Patriots, and it’s unfortunate. It reflects badly on the organization.”

The Pats have had their problems and distractions too…especially recently. Figured I’d point that out just to play a little devil’s advocate on the above statement. Don’t know if the BR writer knew about these or not.

I can see where he was trying to go here, but you’re going to get off-field distractions in the NFL on pretty much any team. I don’t think the fact that the Patriots “never” have off the field issues factored into the McD hiring much, if at all. The truth is, you’re going to see these everywhere. The McD decision was merely a football move from Bowlen…I’d argue you’d still get off-field issues under McD (if you had Josh coaching BMarsh the last few years instead). It’s more about the players honestly. You can’t “babysit” or be ordered to “babysit” in a league like the NFL made up of 20+ year old adults who have to handle their own lives accordingly (and yet many times are still too immature to do so).

I don’t think you blame Shanny for the Cutler situation either, for one. I also agree with jdk’s “babysitting” point and some of the other points presented previously. I will say, it’s an interesting perspective though, especially coming from a Chiefs fan. Personally, I’m not completely buying it, but that’s what opinions are for…you’ll get a different one from everybody (and that doesn’t necessarily always mean one person is more “right” than another either).

by phantom818 on Jun 20, 2009 5:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with regards to this Phantom....

SHanny did a couple of things that are going to be detrimental to both Jays growth as a a player and person, and he has to be held accountable.
He let continue to be the player he was in college: a gunslinger with negligible decision making skills. Instead of some solid coaching to make him an even better player, he not only allowed Jay to keep playing that way, he encouraged it by the inane hiring as Jeremy Bates as OC.
The downside from this on a personal level fro Jay is that he was never held accountable, he was never reeled in for his petulant attitude after losses, his body language on the sidelines, the bawling out of players…..SHanny basically allowed Jay to do anything he wanted as he saw another Elway……at least in terms of arm strength and athleticism.
Shanny can thank Dan Reeves for the fact that Reeves held Elway accountable. Yeah, Elway did not like Reeves by Reeves took no crap of him either.
Shanny mortgaged his career and the future of a franchise on a guy who did not have the maturity or leadership to get it done.
And that decision falls straight at Mikes feet unfortunately for him.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...we all make bad decisions...

haha. In all seriousness though, you’ve made a good point and I have no choice but to agree with you (which is always a good thing). I know Shanny has to take his knocks, but I don’t know, it’s just tough for me personally to really go off “blaming” the guy for a lot of the things that have happened. Now realistically, yes, the “mediocrity” and sub-par seasons of late do come back to him. Still, I hope you understand that while I acknowledge these mistakes, I’m no fan of heaping a bunch of blame on the guy after the fact. Shanny’s gone and it’s time to move on…I personally can’t blame the Cutler situation on Shanny completely, I think it’s much more Jay’s fault. At the adult level you can “attempt” to mold a player, but some just won’t be molded.

Again, now that you brought it up, I can see the whole “Shanny letting Cutler continue to be the Vandy Cutler.” My opinion may have been a poorly worded one, but for some silly reason I felt I should felt in and defend Shanny a little (as stupid as that may sound, because I’m sure the majority of people realize that he wasn’t perfect or anything). I do believe it was time for him to go, but I didn’t like the sort of “attacking” tone (by saying it was his fault) against a former Bronco who I don’t think deserved it. That’s all.

Thanks for the response in the comment to help set me straight on that point. I don’t know what I was thinking I guess…although I do still feel the point of the Patriots’ recent “off-field” issues was overlooked in the article, which was the original reason I wanted to comment. Thanks again boydy!

by phantom818 on Jun 20, 2009 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries mate...

I hate blaming Shanny too…..BUT he was GM, Vice Pres and HC so pretty much EVERYTHING falls at his feet. When you are the boss, and you back on yourself (and that was something I really liked about SHanny!) you have to take the heat when it all comes down. Like that or not, thats the way it is…..and thats why PB had no other option than to get rid of Shanny as he was responsible for everything!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

…..
Haha, sorry I had to get that out of my system. Such thoughts tend to enter my mind at times and cloud my judgement.

NOW I can do a better job of saying I agree with you. When you accept all those duties, as you said, you better darn well be ready to face the consequences and take at least some of the blame. I had a moment of nostalgia there…kind of crept up on me out of the blue.

Haha, thanks again for bringing me back to the real world.

by phantom818 on Jun 20, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

injuries fall at his feet?

Who can say we wouldn’t have won ONE more game last year with less injuries? How many RBs did we lose alone for Christ’s sake!

2nd youngest team in the league last year!
O-line, WR & QB beginning to play very well

One more win and we get at least one play-off game and everybody’s talking about Shanny’s next shot at a SB team within a couple years! How close are we now?

It’s hard to win in this league! It takes time. We were on our way.

But did Shanny whine? No, he took it like the man and gentleman that he is and bowed out gracefully. I think he loved the Broncos or he’d be laughing his ass off and taking interviews now! How many calls do you think he’s getting every day from the press?

by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 20, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're missing the point.

It wasn’t about what happened on the field, it’s what happened off the field.

Whether you want to admit it or not, a coach has to instill some kind of culture into his team. Both on and off the field, those players are idols to kids, and they are held to a higher regard because they are public figures. The fact of the matter is Shanahan didn’t seem to have much of a concern for what his guys did off the field. To an extent, he shouldn’t. Players deserve their private time too. HOWEVER, when players get murdered because of the off-field stuff, well my friend, something needs to change.

So, Bowlen made a change.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jun 20, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

bs!

The change had very little to do with off the field actions.
Don’t EVEN run that NE didn’t have as many culture issues as the rest of us in the NFL!

by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 20, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Whidbey...

Every team has its issues.
I think this is McDaniels personality: he values high character guys and the team concept. I dont think this is anything to do with anything that he LEARNT, per se, at NE…it is something that is ingrained.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you want responsibility for everything then you take responsibility for everything....Mike set up that system.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Would have been AWESOME to lose a playoff game 52-21. Everybody’d be saying we’re just a BJ Raji away from the Superbowl!

Until we finished in the middle of the pack again.

Last year’s team was a fortunate 8-8. Yes, injuries were a factor. But the team was stale on both sides of the ball, and that wouldn’t have changed without a change in coaching and personnel.

by JeffG on Jun 20, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're exactly right on the NE player issues, Ghost who Walks

One of the things that often happens in pro ball (college too, for all I know) is that if you’re not following a team closely and don’t hear certain things, you assume that they didn’t happen. That occured last season with San Diego, for example, who was mauled with injuries from training camp onward, but if folks didn’t read their stuff (prior to nycbf taking over Tracks and solving that problem for us!) there soon came statements that they weren’t having injury problems. It’s just something that happens with folks, and I appreciate you pointing that out.

I know how you feel on Shanny. That last year was tough – he seemed oddly distanced from his club, and few of us wanted to kvetch about his performance until after he was gone and we had the ‘hangover’ to deal with.Sad, really. Great coach, one of the best OCs of all time, IMHO. Which made the Bates thing even stranger – what on EARTH was he thinking?

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 20, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know what he was thinking…one final desperation attempt perhaps? Very curious indeed. But oh well, time to move on I guess.

Thanks for the kind response bb and I also wanted to say keep up the great work on the stories. Don’t know how much it means coming from a guy like myself, but I find the articles great reads every time I dive into them.

by phantom818 on Jun 20, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Father and son

That’s not dumb at all. The elder Bates, Jim, was our DC in 2007. A discussion of his system, called ‘run contain’ can be found by hoosierteacher here. We moved from a ‘show blitz’ system by Larry Coyers (who had difficulty making adjustments in games and over the course of the season) in 2006, then went to a very different system requiring very different personnel in 2007 (run contain/Jim Bates, which needs huge defensive lineman and has different systems for all players) and then to – well, heck if I know, but we ran in under Slowik in 2008. Many thanks to the professor HT, whose lucid and professional explanations are beginning to be translated into Chinese to help promote American Football!

Unfortunately for us, Jeremy Bates was a very inexperienced man to have the playcalling responsibilities, and we all pretty much know the rest of that story.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 21, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jay was a third year player!

Gawd I get tired of this crap, Elway wasn’t making any better decisions at three years either!

by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 20, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont but into this...

Royal was a 1st year player.
Matt Ryan was a 1st year player.
Joe Flacco was a 1st year player.
I am sick of hearing he was a 3rd year player…..the Chargers went 14-2 with Rivers as a 2nd year player.
Yes, our d sucked, so did our ST….blah, blah, blah….I get all that.
But Jay made some god awful decisions on the field, with many other options open.
Thats not a talent thing, it is a coaching thing and a personality trait.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll agree to TOTALLY disagree on this point.

I know we’re both ready to move on!

Except that this is a team game.

Answer me ONE question please?

How many games would we have won last year with the Ravens, Chargers or even Falcons defense? Be honest! One more? Two? Three?

I’m guessing with how much you hate Shanny & Cutler that you’d rather we lost those games we would have won with a better defense because they’d for sure still be here!

Give me a !#$%$#@ing break! hater.

by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 20, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

Dont hate Shanny….never have never will.
I have always said that Jay is the MOST talented QB in the NFL. This wont change either.
I find it hard to HATE anyone I dont know…..so dont go putting words in my mouth.
I am trying to discuss this calmly and you are blowing up, so probably a good thing we move on.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the view is insightful

Murder disturbs the lives of those left behind, often deeply. It’s a double shock, the sudden death of a young person, who in this case was warm and friendly, and the finality of brutal and senseless violence.

The Nash death, so soon after the Williams killing, brought the memory and pain back again. The pain wasn’t going to go away without making a change to prevent it from happening again.

Pat B is human, not just a calculator when it comes to making decisions. It seems very reasonable that he takes pride in the team, and the players behavior reflects well or poorly on the owner’s self and public image. I’m sure it’s no fun being questioned about bar fights, domestic violence, a dozen children out of wedlock, and murder outside a night club. Pat B hates giving interviews, even when the topic a positive story, I find it very believable that he got many, many questions from the press, peers, and friends about the murder, over and over. It’s no stretch that it shifted his view of how to run his NFL team, and what was acceptable before was now intolerable.

I do believe McDaniels was hired to clean up the culture, and his primary method is to select people without a history of bad choices or who look like they have turned themselves around. This is a strong theme of this team.

It’s not that New England is the model as much as McDaniels himself is this way. He isn’t just doing this to please the owner, he believes teams are best built with people who make good life choices.

I believe Shanahan just didn’t keep his word and Pat grew tired of it. Every year a new defensive coordinator, every year promises this guy was the answer, and picking up people like Henry whose off field behavior become public embarrassments. Shanahan did start to pick better players, but probably Shanahan didn’t have the same epiphany as Bowlen, and Pat decided he had to make a change to get a different result.

It’s an interesting observation to note that everything that’s happening this off season started with the death of Darrent Williams. Could be very true.

The victims of murder are often the living.

by MichaelCushman on Jun 20, 2009 7:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The victims of murder are often the living.

Solid point.

by phantom818 on Jun 20, 2009 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 100

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jun 21, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very poignant post Michael!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 20, 2009 7:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great link PABroncofan

That is a very good article and our off the field situation have got to slow down. This is a team game and Bowlen and McDaniels are going to do everything they can to make the Broncos have the "team first’ attitude.

Very good post Michael. As hard as it is to do, change is really needed sometimes. As has been stated several times here is that Shanahan’s success was also his failure.

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by weazel on Jun 21, 2009 12:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said, weazel
As has been stated several times here is that Shanahan’s success was also his failure.

a lot of folks forget that we have been without a top 10 draft pick longer than any other team in the NFL due to our consistently good record. There is a difficult side to that.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 21, 2009 12:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Murder Victims

Quote"The victims of murder are often the living" Quote

So true. Some good examples are Javon Walker, who was there with Darrent when he died.

Another example(and this isn’t Bronco related or sports related but bear with me) is something that happened 40 years ago. One of the most infamous murders of all-time. After Sharon Tate was murdered by some of Charles Manson’s associates, Doris Tate, her mother, was messed up and in a shell for a long time. Eventually, she turned the awful situation into a plus when she was the driving force behind the Doris Tate Families of Victims bureau, and she also spoke out at the parole hearings of those killers. Sadly, however, she died in 92. Then, her daughter, Patti, died 8 years later of breast cancer, and she was only around 50. That situation probably took several years off of their life. I know it doesn’t have anything to do with football, but it is probably the best example I know about how murder can affect loved ones. And it all happened not because Manson was a psycho(as Vincent Buglio$i wanted people to believe), but because of drug deals that went bad. It is a crying shame.

Same thing with Darrent’s murder. Apparently, it may have happened just because Brandon Marshall wanted to act like a tough guy, as this article was saying. Maybe that is why he could be on his way out.

by PABroncofan on Jun 21, 2009 6:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of why it was time for change

As a fan with common football knowledge the Broncos became too predictable on the field, so i can only imagine when other teams studied the tapes how dumb we looked. Cutler is a good player and I agree Shanny babied him, but i believe Bowlen and McDaniels wanted him to stay if he was willing to put more effort into mechanics, studying tape, etc. When McDaniels explained this to him he was done in Denver. (oh well I believe Orton is a good young qb with a lot of room to improve just as Cutler) Arm strength isn’t everything. I believe when Al Wilson got injured our team began to fall apart. Wilson was a great leader one of the best in the league. He held people accountable and put fear into teammates to do their jobs. Shanny never replaced Al, Lynch was a leader but not like Al. B Dawk will be this type of leader, I also believe Orton has strong leadership skills.
With leadership come respect and TRUE RESPECT GOES ALONG WAYS AMONGST MEN! I doubt many of the players on D last year respected Cutler when he would go 3 and out then pout by himself and blame the defense for the loss after the game.

by mjdbronco on Jun 21, 2009 7:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Why on earth would Cutler respect the defense?

They deserved to be called out.

Cutler’s leadership style reminds me of Dan Marino. Not sure if you ever watched him play but he could be a raging maniac towards teammates but they never questioned his will to win.

And you can’t question Jay’s either.

Leadership comes in many forms. It’s nice that McD has what seems to be a well-defined (prototype) profile for “his guys”, but I’m starting to sense that the whole “Patriot Way” has become sort of overrated.

by rururuland784 on Jun 21, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marino never won a Super Bowl.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 21, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my feelings mjd. Thanks for bringing it out.

With leadership come respect and TRUE RESPECT GOES ALONG WAYS AMONGST MEN! I doubt many of the players on D last year respected Cutler when he would go 3 and out then pout by himself and blame the defense for the loss after the game.

I never understood how a coach could let that kind of behavior go on, especially when he (Shanahan) was in Jake Plummer’s face so often.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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