Beyond Brandon Marshall
Dust off the superlatives and break out the thesaurus - Eddie Royal may be vested with the nickname 'Cheese' but his real name in 2008 turned out to be 'Money'. At 5'10", 182 lbs, this is a young man who shattered the axioms about not counting on wide receivers in their first year. He showed the world that he was the top receiving rookie in the NFL in just his first game, blasting DeAngelo Hall and the rest of the Oakland Raiders backfield for 9 receptions, 146 yards and a TD en route to a Denver destruction of their division rival. He would finish the season with 91 receptions and 980 yards, with 5 TDs and only three drops despite some hand problems caused by Jay Cutler's hard throwing style. Royal showed that he can run tight routes, gain separation, get yards after the catch, adjust to the ball in the air and, oh, yes - be a constant threat as a return guy. In addition to destroying the theory about the struggles of 1st year receivers he also blew up the one about return guys not making the transition to receiver effectively.
With solid character, ceaseless effort and tremendous skill, Royal is one of the many young bright spots for a Denver squad going through major changes. Could he step in as a #1 receiver? Ask Steve Smith. In fact, think of Smith without the 'thuggery' tag that he has allowed to develop around him. Royal is the kind of player that every team dreams of having. It's interesting to reflect on the fact that most of the Broncos faithful blew their collective gasket when we drafted him last year, with many demanding to know why we didn't go with DeSean Jackson, now of the Philadelphia Eagles. Now we know...
2. Brandon Stokley
Last year, the 5'11" 192 lb. Stokley shook off the effects of a concussion that plagued him previously and showed that he is still one of the penultimate 3rd-down slot receivers in the league. He produce 49 receptions, 528 yards and 3 TDs for the Broncos. He's likely to spend this year teaching Kenny McKinley how to play the slot like an All-Pro, and if he can get across just some of the tricks of the trade that he's developed during his 10-year career, McKinley will be much the better for it. Talking about money - over those 10 years he has fumbled just 3 times and only 1 of them came with his previous employer, Indianapolis. None in his two years in Denver and none of them in the last four years shows us that he's still one of the best slot receivers in the NFL.
3. Jabar Gaffney
Coming over from the New England Patriots during this offseason, the 6'1" 200 lb Gaffney has a lot to offer the Broncos. He's familiar with the new system's terminology, used to Head Coach Josh McDaniels and a big supporter of his and has a lot of skill. Over the span of his 7-year career (the past three with New England and Houston before that) he's played in 107 games and caught 256 balls for over 3,000 yards. Gaffney put up 169 first-down receptions and 15 TDs over that stretch of time. Look for him and new quarterback Kyle Orton to spend a lot of time hooking up together.
4. Kenny McKinley
This 5th-round choice for the Broncos was the key to the South Carolina Gamecocks offense for the past three years. Unintimidated by pressure situations, the incredibly productive McKinley was described by Head Coach Steve Spurrier as the "best wide receiver (he's) ever coached". His jersey was retired when he left school, one of only 5 players from USC to ever have been honored that way; he may yet bring a Brandon Stokley-like presence to the slot. His slight frame (5'10", 192 lb.) is perhaps his biggest concern, but there's simply no denying his level of skill. Some receivers are just a lot harder to cover than others. McKinley is like that. He runs good routes, has incredible hands and broke Sterling Sharpe's collegiate school records for receptions and receiving yards as well as catching a pass in each of his last 43 games. He did well in the Combine with a 4.44 40-yard dash, a 37-inch vertical leap, a broad jump of 113 inches and a 20-yard shuttle of 4.1 seconds, but his on-field production was the key to drafting him. He was ranked anywhere from the 2nd round to the middle-5th, so getting him in the 5th round was a good acquisition. He has great vision, solid instincts and is extremely elusive as a receiver. If he can stay healthy he'll fill in for Stokley whenever Brandon eventually falters. I hope that it's a long time. Look for him to struggle at first against press coverage
5. Chad Jackson
Chad Jackson is being gifted with the best opportunity of his short career. A 6'1" 215 lb receiver out of Florida, Jackson was picked by the Patriots with the 4th pick of the 2nd round but hasn't been about to break into the rotation with either New England or Denver. Over the past three years Jackson has only played in 18 games (12 of them in his first season), but he has had an elusive potential that has kept coaches willing to find ways to keep him on the roster. He has a history of kickoff returning that has also played in his favor. Shifty and quick with good acceleration, he often tends to round off his routes and must improve there. He came out of college a year early and that may have also worked against him as the problems with his game have been ones of an immature (professionally) player.
Yahoo's draft profile on him said in part, "He is best when running short area routes, where he shows better crispness in his breaks. He has the size to compete for the ball in traffic and make body adjustments, but does like to jump and body catch a bit. Jackson excels at catching in a crowd and has the courage to combat for the jump balls. He will extend and pluck the ball, but did struggle with his consistency in the past (lacks softness and will juggle the ball). When he catches with his body, he will bobble the ball, but when he extends, he can catch and run without having to gear down." The short routes that Orton is best at and which have predominated in New England over the past 4 years should play to his advantage. This is his best, and perhaps his last chance to show a team that he can be an NFL wide receiver. Elusive with good strength and the leg drive to get the yards after the catch, Jackson could be a fine addition to this year's team if he simply matures as a player.
6. Brandon Lloyd
Recently of the Chicago Bears, Lloyd hasn't found his niche in the 7 years that he's played for San Francisco, Washington and Chicago. Despite a talent for circus catches and athletic contributions, Lloyd has developed a reputation for not enjoying hard contact and having troubles maintaining his focus. It will be interesting to see how he handles the "no-excuses" atmosphere of Josh McDaniels' team. When he's on track with a team he can provide 45 catches a year and 600 yards a season as he did in San Francisco in 2004 and 2005.
Additionally, the Broncos have Matt Willis, a 6'0" 200 lb. 4th-year player out of UCLA who is trying to catch on as well as Lucas Taylor (6'1" 195) and Nate Swift (6'0" 185), two CFAs trying to earn a place on the practice squad.
Tight Ends
1. Daniel Graham
You have to love the Broncos' options at tight end. Daniel Graham, a 6'3", 257 lb. tight end, a former Patriot himself, is equally talented at blocking and receiving and who leads this group. Graham has always wanted to be more of a receiving tight end but his skills at blocking have made that untenable. He's exactly what most teams would like at the position - durable, reliable and effective. He runs good routes and is an equally safe bet on third down or in the red zone and can be counted on for 2-3 receptions per game as well as that many or more key blocks. He is familiar with the Patriots-based terminology which also gives the Broncos an edge going into the new season.
2. Tony Scheffler
At 6'5" and 250 lbs, Tony Scheffler is a wide receiver in a tight end's body. Although his blocking is currently underrated (it improved visibly over the course of 2008), Tony is a receiving tight end, first and foremost. Scheffler redshirted his freshman year at Western Michigan and played slot receiver the following year. Scheffler switched over to tight end in 2004 which explains his less-than-stellar blocking skills in the past. Learning quickly, he achieved All-American status in 2005. He set a school season record for tight ends with 57 receptions for 670 yards (11.8 avg) and nine touchdowns that year. He also garnered Academic All-MAC honors for the third straight year (finishing school with a 3.63 GPA), a fact that lends credence to the belief that he will flourish in Head Coach McDaniels' cerebral approach to football. Drafted with the 29th pick of the 2nd round by the Broncos, Scheffler suffered a foot injury that impeded his progress during his first two season with the Broncos, but was undeterred by it during 2008 when he put up 40 receptions for 645 yards, providing 49 yards per game and a rousing 16.1 average with 28 first downs and 3 TD. If by any chance Brandon Marshall doesn't play for Denver during the 2009 season, some of the catches may well go to this big target with good hands. He's averaging 597 yards per season over the past two years.
Scheffler doesn't have great top-end speed but he's extremely explosive off the line, often catching opposing linebackers, safeties and even cornerbacks unaware. Despite persistent rumors to the contrary, Coach McDaniels shows no interest at all in parting company with this talented receiver who is still mastering the tight end position. He wasn't required to spend much time in the weight room in college, but still managed 32 repetitions on the bench press during a post-Combine public workout and is working diligently to get even stronger now that he's in pro football. His combination of size, quickness, explosion and soft (9.25 inch) hands are rare in a man of his size. Scheffler is still putting on muscle, despite a frame that is both big and ripped. Look for him to enjoy his role in Coach McDaniels' scheme.
3. Richard Quinn
The newcomer to the group, Quinn came by way of the Broncos third pick in the 2nd round (pick #64), creating a small stir among the faithful. His days at the University of North Carolina required him to stay in to block for two reasons - UNC had several NFL-ready players who could play receiver and their offensive line was porous at best. Coach Butch Davis has readily admitted that he under-utilized Quinn's receiving abilities. During the last minicamp, he made a diving catch near the end zone that eliminated for the onlooker's minds any concerns with his receiving talent. He also caught well and ran good routes at his Combine and Pro Day workouts as well as the 12 private workouts that various NFL teams put him through. That total should give you an idea of how much interest there was in Quinn, who used to pretend to be Jerry Rice when he was a kid.
But it's certainly his blocking that got most people's attention. Draft Ace put it this way: "Impressive size and strength. A truly dominant blocker. Acts like a 6th offensive lineman in North Carolina's offense." cfnscout.com said this, "One of the biggest question marks in the draft, he’s big, very strong, and a good blocker with refined technique; he could be thrown on a team right away and produce for a running game. Can he catch? cdsdraft.com just said, "Bigger and stronger than most TEs available this year. A true in-line blocker with better hands than you would think. Was not used that much in the passing game, and thus did not get a chance to really show what he can do in that area. Solid worker. No real downside." That summed it up pretty well.
By the way, Texas was looking to take Quinn in the third round if the Broncos hadn't gotten him with that pick. Comments regarding where he 'should' have gone are kind of like those on the value of a house. A house is worth what folks will pay for it. So is a draft pick - if another team is going to take him before you pick next and you want him, you have to make the move. A few teams had called Quinn's agent Peter Schaffer and told him that they were taking Quinn in the 2nd round, but for various reasons those picks fell through. The Broncos did take him, giving them two excellent blocking tight ends; both of whom can also catch well and a huge pass-catching specialist who can also line up at WR in some packages. Not a bad setup. For those who are interested, there was a good comment that gave some things to think about regarding Quinn.
Running Backs
Coach McDaniels has made it clear to all that running backs in his system (whatever that system may be) are going to do three things well - block, run and catch. He has a fine spread of backs from rookies to veterans and all of them are multi-talented.
1. Peyton Hillis
One of the most versatile players on the Broncos this year, Hillis is currently lining up at RB, FB, WR and TE and it's only June. Add to that his special teams work and you wonder if they won't trot him out on defense in some package just to see what would happen. Hillis has long been known for his soft hands and solid yards after catch numbers: He did it in college and over his rookie season and this year won't be different.
2. Correll Buckhalter
Buckhalter is usually running with the 1st team in OTAs, but he'll have to win out over Hillis and Knowshon Moreno to keep that slot. Given the realities of an NFL season, look for him to have a secure job with the Broncos and to either start or get regular snaps. He's got very good hands and should fit in well with general approach of McDaniels' receiving running backs; although he only started six games last year he had 13 receptions in that time. Buckhalter is interesting because as the game goes on, he gains strength - he averages 6.0 ypc for attempts 11-20, while gaining 4.9 on attempts 1-10.
3. Ryan Torain
Torain is a great unknown, starting with whether he can stay healthy for more than a few plays. If he can, he's said to have big-play talent and good hands as a receiver. He might add yet another dimension to an offense that appears to have all the tools.
4. LaMont Jordan
Jordan has a lot of things going for him. He's familiar with the New England terminology and playbook, he's big and strong, and no one minds knowing that you can go to Jordan in a pinch. The issue might be how to find a slot for him, and the option of going to IR with Torain may occur to some folks. Jordan's biggest downfall might be that he didn't catch a pass at all last year but he does have over 1,300 yards receiving in his career.
5. Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon has great balance, vision and skill, which happily includes the ability to make the catch and make the yards after the catch. He's going to need to in this offense, which should depend on short passes and screens to the running backs. That's right up Moreno's alley. Moreno is also a great unknown; is Josh McDaniels going to use a constant rotation of his backs or use Moreno, as some have suggested, as an every-down primary back? We'll know soon.
Conclusions
All in all, it's hard to argue that the Broncos have a sizable stable of talented and effective receivers, regardless of what position they supposedly play. To conclude, I'll leave you with a quote from Phil Simms' Sunday Morning Quarterback. He was fielding a question regarding the tight ends including Mark Bavaro leading the New York Giants in receiving one year.
"...and because they were our best receivers (Note: the tight ends) we designed plays for them. We moved them. We split them out. We put them at tight end. We ran them down the field. We ran them short. We did just about everything we could do with them in the passing game.
"If the tight end is not of that caliber, then you change formation, you move players around and you get a wide receiver in the tight end position and he runs the tight end routes. That's what all teams do. the plays they run are exactly the same, regardless of who they have running the pass routes. Instead of the fullback running into the flat they send the tight end into the flat. If they put a wide receiver where the tight end would usually go, that's because the wide receiver is better than the tight end."
Innovation is the only constant; change, the only thing that doesn't vary. If one player goes down, another must step up. In the case of the Broncos, you have a team with a young Head Coach who has been a tremendous teacher and innovator at the coordinator level. Now he will have to step up and perform as well as a head coach. As for the players - this short piece should show clearly that the Broncos have no shortage of options at receiver. We have big receivers like Scheffler and Quinn, fast receivers like McKinley, short, quick receivers like Royal. We have a group of running backs who have multiple skills; Jordan and Hillis can work the short-yardage game, Moreno can work the flat, Buckhalter can fill in wherever he is needed. Graham and Quinn can clear the way for other players, but each can also chip and go. The permutations are endless; the possibilities limited only by ingenuity and skill.
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"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
by KaptainKirk on Jun 21, 2009 6:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Werd Doc...WERD!!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
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by boydy2669 on Jun 21, 2009 6:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Analysis
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by dmitchell624 on Jun 21, 2009 7:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I love reading your stuff...
Great job like always. Rec’d
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by Elway4Prez on Jun 21, 2009 7:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, your article left the football community with more questions than answers...
Like “Who do we cover?”
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by odarol on Jun 21, 2009 8:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One question...
Who starts at WR? And who is the number 1 guy? OK, I guess that’s two questions, but still…
I think it’s a given that Eddie Royal will start at one of the WR spots. He’s easily the most skilled WR we have (including BMarsh if he decides to play.) But who starts opposite him? I think it would have to be Gaffney by default, but I could see Lloyd and even Chad Jackson pushing for it. I’m personally rooting for Lloyd, as he is the only one with an actual receiver number (84.)
I do think that any of those three are a huge step down from Marshall, and that we would have to try to create matchup problems with our other position players like the tight ends and running backs. Not that that’s a bad thing, I just think that it would reduce the effectiveness of our 3 and 4 wide receiver sets.
The main problem with all of our WR’s, including Eddie, Kenny, Chad, and all three Brandons, is injury history. I don’t think Gaffney has been hurt often, and he is the only one without significant injury concerns, so that could be a factor if he ends up starting. Ultimately, I think Marshall will play, and he will lad the receiving corps with Eddie at #2, Stokley at slot, Gaffney at #4, and Lloyd at #5. If we keep a 6th WR or if Marshall gets traded, then I think Kenny and Chad Jackson would have to fight it out for the last spot.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Jun 21, 2009 8:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy - #1 WR is the guy who is open...
trivia question – who is NE’s #1 guy? It isn’t Randy Moss.
This isn’t Shanny’s offense anymore. In a spread attack you put 4 or 5 receivers into the pattern and find the open man. If I had to bet, I would bet that Royal gets the most receptions, whether Marshall is on the team or not.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 21, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
I’m just asking who starts at WR opposite Eddie Royal.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Jun 21, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that depends on the formation
I expect to see 2, 3, 4 WR sets, even 1 and 0 WR sets. I think we’ll spread it out and use some bunch formations. If I had to hazard a guess at the second WR I’d say Gaffney probably has the inside shot just because of his familiarity with the system. But a lot could change between no and September.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 21, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichek had a great quote
When asked who Tom Brady’s favorite receiver was, he responded, “The open receiver.”
But who will guard the guards themselves?
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jun 24, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royal would likely line up in the #1 WR position.
I don’t think the team would be bad off in that situation. Having Marshall would be great, as he’s an additional weapon. But his loss wouldn’t hurt (as pointed out very well by Bear).
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vocabulary
I enjoy reading these breakdowns, but I really wish some of you “reporters” and contributers would learn the definition of the words you use……the definition of penultimate is second to last, and last I check Stokely is one of, if not the best slot receivers in the game. Uber would be a good word to use, but penultimate is definitely the wrong word.
I enjoy the points made but this penultimate word has been used more and more lately in the incorrect way and it gets annoying.
by FrankieW on Jun 21, 2009 9:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
modern dictionaries are notoriously sloppy
merriam-webster defines the word as you do, but older, more accurate dictionaries consistently change one aspect of the definition: rather than saying “next-to-last” (with its implications of rank) they refer to its proper feminine latin etymology paene “almost” ultimus “final”. “Almost final.”
“Final” and “last” have very different implications, as “last” would imply the lowest in an ordering or numbering scheme, whereas final indicates “Of or constituting the end result of a succession or process; ultimate” or even, “Not to be changed or reconsidered; unalterable”.
Referring to a particular specimen as the “penultimate” and meaning that they are “near perfect” is certainly within the constraints of prose license, in my opinion, and ultimately true to the spirit of the word itself.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 21, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
The English Language is an evolving entity where the usage and meaning of words migrates over time. In this, modern academics take an approach that is more descriptive than proscriptive (at least they should). In that context, a difference between modern dictionaries and older ones likely signifies a shift in the way that word is used.
I have always heard the term “penultimate” used in a way that signifies second to last in a series, or second best: “Penultimate frisbee- the second most fun game you can play with a frisbee.”
One of the things that I love about the English language is that it is ultimately defined by the great unwashed masses in the street, and not in the ivory towers of academia.
And all of this is getting way off the topic that it was a hell of a post!
by Velveeta on Jun 21, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean, the next to the last syllable in a word? Don't you know we "adlib" around here.
Heck some these players could be considered “aeolian” as well, when it comes to running.
by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitions
As the word ultimate means “last” and penultimate mean “second to last” then it does make sense to use as a term of excellance. Image lining up every player by skill from worst to best. There at the end would be the best and next to him the second best. The problem I would see with its use here is if you replace it with seconfdbest you get “one of the second best” which isn’t very clear. I suspect the word that was meant was “preeminent .”
by Dwhite on Jun 21, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind that folks who comment...
…make mistakes themselves, but I wish they wouldn’t be crtical of other’s English while they also make mistakes.
and last I check Stokely is one of,
should read “and when I last checked,”
Also, “Uber” would not be correct. The German word literaly translates as “over” (as in “over all” or an “over command”). It is commonly misused in the English translation.
In general, it is considered impolite to correct grammer, spelling, and punctuation in the blog universe. I catch English errors on a daily basis (and likely not my own). In the blog universe, the emphasis is on the free exchange exchange of ideas and not the education of the writer. I like to think that I make points that can hold their own during discourse, but like many other folks, my English may take a backseat while I try to keep up with the quick pace of blog communications.
Let’s talk football.
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 22, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
I’m fine having a word usage corrected – I make mistakes, like all of us. He’s right in part – the word has evolved into a commonly used term for ‘one of the best’ (rather than ‘the best, as in ultimate’). It’s always amusing, though, when a person who takes on ‘you ’reporters’ or contributors’ as under-educated and then puts his foot in his keyboard with grammar.
Pointing out errors is fine with me, but anyone who does paints a big target on their back, and we should all keep that in mind, too. Politeness counts, as does neatness as Ms. McDonald told me in second grade (and then broke my heart by getting married, but that’s another subject entirely). Thanks for covering my back, guys. There was a lot of odd hostility in a fairly mundane correction, wasn’t there? I appreciate the support. How about ‘danged incredible’? Can a be a ‘reporter’ then? Do I get the cheap fedora with the chunk of cardboard that said ‘Press’ on it, too? Cool!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, come on now, stop heaping it on :)
I mean…maybe he deserved it…but … uhh….
Honestly, I can see where he’s coming from, because I recall watching a soccer match and the announcer (who was British by the way…I love how the British announcers use certain vocabulary during a soccer match) noted that it was the “penultimate game” in the season, championship, or whatever it happened to be, meaning that there would be one more game to follow. Since then, that’s what I’ve always thought it to mean.
But seriously, if you’re going to correct grammar (like you guys said):
1) You better make sure your grammar is correct in the correction comment and
2) you should probably be polite while doing it
I liked the point that you really shouldn’t go about correcting grammar too much on blog sites, because the points and arguments make up the true essence of each post, rather than the grammar and spelling. I realize that I personally still tend to make grammar/spelling mistakes and I try to follow up as soon as I notice it with a reply (since these comments have no editing capabilities). However, I’m not going to sit here and “correct” someone else’s grammar, particularly not after such an amazing post. Heck, you got linked to by Eddie Royal himself bb! Haha, congrats and great work. Even if there was a “mistake,” there’s no need to nitpick. Has he read your other excellent posts? In the end, I see no problem with using the word the way you want to, especially when it doesn’t make up the crux of your post :)
by phantom818 on Jun 22, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky i write in Australian then!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
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by boydy2669 on Jun 22, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to pile on here...
But how about spelling Stokley’s name properly?
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 22, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
About 5 more comments and it’s getting a flag. Until then – hey, being a critic is a tough old game…..
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is their gonna be a grammor test?
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by UB3 on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont gnow
Awl thys reeding hz ben hard on mi iyes
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does give us some insight at depth,
but I am still a little worried at the number of unknowns, and the number of players you mentioned who require the caveat “if he can stay healthy.” One would think that by sheer probability we’d HAVE to be able to make it through the season with solid players, but that’s what we all thought last year as running back #8 bit the dust. Shanahan had a whole other 53-man roster on IR by December. I realize there is some level of luck when it comes to injuries. I just wish we’d be on the GOOD side of luck for a few years now. I’d LOVE to see the Train and Moreno and Hillis in action, week after week. With all the whiskey I had to drink this season to get past the interceptions and redzone failures, seeing injured Broncos after a play was a real buzzkill I don’t care to repeat.
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by HarvJNep2n on Jun 21, 2009 10:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good job on this one, Bear! Rec'd.
You put in perspective what we will have in the event that BM leaves town. I think that he will be gone sometime during training camp – my own personal opinion. There is an arsenal of receivers and runners to keep the offensive motor churning – running time off the clock and moving into and thru the red zone. 12-4 here we come!
by Blackknigh on Jun 21, 2009 11:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't the overall depth of the eligible receivers make a Brandon Marshall holdout unlikely?
Not saying something stupid won’t happen and an agents advice to play chicken with negotiations can always be dangerous, and Marshall has to consider the injury/collective barging /restricted free agency issue. But….
Doesn’t the depth of the receiving options the Broncos have and the new coach’s obvious skill in having an offense spread the ball around give Marshall and his agent pause?
It may be in the best interest of the player to hold off and make noise especially before training camp is here, but it seems like Marshall should know that if push comes to shove the Broncos have other options, Besides he needs to play for somebody to get his season of eligibility for free agency in, so its not like he can threaten to sit out if hes not traded. Besides, if he’s still rehabbing he did not miss much OTA so far anyway.
But asking for more money is what he’s agent is supposed to do, up to a point anyway.
I hope its all just negotiating bluster at any rate.
by Kosty on Jun 22, 2009 12:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice breakdown bear.
Looking at how our offense is going to be more balance and we will spread the ball out more when passing, that makes me happy that we will take full advantage of our WRs or whoever is open. Move the chains and score, regardless of who is catching the ball.
I really want Marshall to stay because he will only make or WR corp better, however if he isn’t with Denver this year, I still like the guys we have.
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by weazel on Jun 22, 2009 12:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bear,
Excellent breakdown of who’s left. BTW, who knew we had so many English majors on this sight :o).
I found it interesting that McKinney is questioned for his size, 5’10" at 192, while Royal isn’t at 5’10" and 182. We know what Royal can do and if McKinney has similar skills, defenses will go nuts trying to cover both if they’re on the field at the same time.
by bchiper on Jun 22, 2009 9:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I know - I was looking at that
Apparently, he’s a very skinny 192. I’ve seen that – some guys have very dense muscular tissue, weigh more but still look skinny and kind of unfinished. It’s only an issue if the two injuries that he had – a big toe injury (Ouch, but it rectified) and a hammy problem that he played through turn into issues. Right now he’s fine. The scouts made kind of vague noises about slender guys with hammy problems in college developing constant issues with that later, but I’m not familiar with any research on that, and no examples were given. Considering the number of hammies that rookies pull in their first training camp (lack of hydration, improper training, being out of ‘football shape’ and suddenly thrust into pro level training all play roles) if that was true there would be few players entirely, but we’ll keep an eye on that.
I’m more concerned with him handling press coverage, one of the three big bugaboos for new WRs. The other two are speed of the game and intellectual challenges in learning routes, responsibilities and coverages. Considering how few games he missed and that he set a school record for starts (breaking Sterling Sharpe’s record), I’m not going to worry about injuries until or unless they manifest.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine....
having several small and very quick WRs on the field at one time? Aren’t enough speed covers in the NFL to keep that down playing man coverage. Go to a zone and still the speed kills. I like the idea and am anxious to see how this all unfolds. It will be a huge plus to Brandon back on board to provide another option.
by bchiper on Jun 22, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article
This would be why McMister did not seem all that fazed by the issue, claiming that the Broncos were quite prepared to move forward with the guys they have.
Obviously, they ARE.
by TheMastermind on Jun 22, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
great write-up!
I find myself pulling for Nate Swift. He’s listed at 6’2" in DenverBroncos.com, so that would make him the tallest WR on the roster of BMarsh bails. His scouting reports have him as one of those guys who a bit of everything: runs decent routes, blocks well, has some speed, good hands. He is one of the best, if not the best, WR in Nebraska history. We’ll have to see how training camp and preseason plays out, put from his press it looks like he may not make it to the practice squad without somebody taking a flyer on him.
by CoastalBronco on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hasty post = many typos
apologies
by CoastalBronco on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best receiver in Neb history...
isn’t that a bit like being the best running back at Texas Tech?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 22, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
touché ;^)
tho Ricky Williams might have an opinion on the matter
by CoastalBronco on Jun 22, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!
Spilled the coffe too…………………………………
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Jun 22, 2009 11:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cute ;-)
But CB has a point – I’m pretty fond of Nate Swift. I’m honestly not sure how he gets a job unless Marshall is gone, and even then the competition is fierce, but he’s a good young guy and his height is good. I’ve heard good things from camp about him – We’re going to have to see who can step up at WR. Happily, we’ve got some experience and some youth wrapped around a lot of talent.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Nice job, Bear. It’s good for the blood pressure regarding the BM situation to be reminded of the depth we have in players who can catch the ball and how McD will find ways to get them said ball.
What’s interesting to me is how a lot of people (MSM “experts”, columnists, DP message board pessimists, etc.) keep trying to paint the Broncos as a “run first” team now that we have Moreno and (according to them) pathetic, pitiful, useless Orton as QB.
With McD’s past OC days and the receiving talent on the roster, I can see this team throwing the ball all… day… long, and with good success.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the things that I like
(And your point, BT, is well taken) is that I’m very taken with the fact that I have absolutely no idea who they are going to go to or how they plan to perform – running vs pass, long vs. short, horizontal vs vertical, inclusive, etc. We’ve got excellent personnel for nearly any scheme.
Sure, there will be a good run/pass balance, we’ll use the shotgun quite a bit and we’ll mix zone blocking with gap/regular and our running backs will be extremely well coached. Beyond that, I still haven’t heard a word of McDaniels ‘something different’ use of the running game, and probably won’t until regular season. We now have a QB, and we’ll be efficient and cerebral. But specifics? Nada, my friends. But we have the personnel to do nearly anything, so I’m pretty content. It’s going to be fun.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
… I’m very taken with the fact that I have absolutely no idea who they are going to go to or how they plan to perform – running vs pass, long vs. short, horizontal vs vertical, inclusive, etc. We’ve got excellent personnel for nearly any scheme.
Doesn’t it seem logical that every DC on the schedule (esp. factoring in McD’s lack of history as a HC) will be thinking the exact same thing? That train of thought keeps me excited to see the season officially start.
I’m also kind of excited to see if our defense will be the ball-hawking threat it looks like it could be.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jun 22, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
We’ve got excellent personnel for nearly any scheme.
Is what I’ve been excited about, and the variations weekly.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
by KaptainKirk on Jun 22, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such a nice article and it seems everyone is impressed with the other options that you have- that’s a good thing. Now, you need to keep Marshall and i will explain, if I may. This guy is an unbelievable talent and regardless of how anyone feels about his personal life, which none of our business, he creates a “ton of respect” for opposing defenses. It’s okay to favor other players, but he is the one that creates the “headache for the DC.” All players don’t play the same, regardless of the system, and with a new one you need his play to “steer the ship.” There seems to be alot of the “new head coach so we can do without the player ,” thatworks in Indy, NE, and Pittsburgh because their “seasoned” at it. Marvin Harrison left and Gonzalez stepped right in. It would’ve been a more difficult transition had Reggie Wayne not been on the other side-he creates ‘headaches for DC’s" whenever they play him. It’s fine to have a “great approach” to the season and fill it with optimism, but for all of us who have been down this journey and witnessed first hand what it’s like to “believe at the time” you can do without certain players, the reality can be a “culture shock” because “new system” or not you come face to face with the fact that you will see what that player really did for you and why they needed to stay. Things you took for granted will all of a sudden seem larger than life. You need to keep Marshall because you may be shocked to discover that the receivers don’t play as well they did when he was there. But if your head coach/owner decide to part with him, it just means that another team will acquire his services and I don’t blame them for doing it just like I don’t blame the bears for acquiring Jay. In that situation, the bears “helped themselves” and there will be an adjustment period, but he will play well for them. Cutler and Turner should pan out well, BUT if they don’t Jeremy Bates to the rescue. Their receivers are getting acquainted with his arm and that’s good. The bears system will teach him patience because they hit the ground running the ball-sets up a TON of play action passes. I would’ve gone into that trade to “win it” too because I do believe that he’ll adjust first, but overall he’ll play well.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think most...
of the people in the MHR community would like to keep Marshall here minus the baggage, we’re just not pleased that he’s holding out (so far) for mega-millions when he is an injury risk (he hasn’t proved his hip has healed) and he is one speeding ticket away from an eight-game suspension.
I’d like to see him stay here, but not if he is a constant legal distraction and a me-first “cancer” in the clubhouse. For example, T.O. is a phenomenal receiver talent-wise (maybe one of the best ever), but his “me first” antics have earned him a one-way ticket out of town on three different teams (and he left some real wreckage behind each time). And T.O. isn’t even a legal problem waiting to happen. If left unchecked, an ego like that can destroy a good team’s chemistry, and a season right along with it. Marshall’s current behavior sends up red flags all over the place.
Is Marshall gifted with a ton of talent? Yes. Does that mean Denver should extend him no matter what? No.
We’re not saying we don’t want him. We’re saying if he refuses to become part of the team, and continues his current “it’s all about me” behavior, then we have a lot of solid options we feel good about.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add to that...
T.O does not own a Superbowl ring (if I remember correctly). If having a
…unbelievable talent… (who) creates a "ton of respect" for opposing defenses… (and) is the one that creates the "headache for the DC."means no Superbowl rings, well…
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your first post said it all… tossing in something on SB rings is really pointless to the argument. I dislike TO as much as any player in the NFL, but it was a real pointless throwaway argument that made your took away from your first post.
TO is not the reason his team doesn’t beat out the other 31 teams in the league every year… There is in fact a strong case to be made that he is a big reason why many of his teams have played in NFC championship games and for the Eagles, the SB. TO’s SB game with the Iggles was one of the better individual performances I’ve ever seen by a player in the “big game”… just because his TEAM wasn’t able to beat a truly great NE team doesn’t have any bearing on whether TO = “no rings”.
Just a dumb argument that should never have been made, after you made a truly excellent earlier explanatory post on thinking around B-Marsh.
by cjfarls on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
How many championship games do you remember TO playing in? I’m pretty sure he played in 1 with San Fran and then he missed it due to injury the year Philly made the Super Bowl. That’s it.
Don’t get me wrong; I agree that it’s a bit much to measure an individual WR by his rings or lack thereof, but citing the success of TO’s teams isn’t the way to prove it…
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
He was arguably the MVP for the Eagles in that Super Bowl. He had come back in a ridiculously short time to play in that game with the Eagles.
Don’t you remember the whole “I wasn’t the one who got tired in the 4th quarter…” stuff? That same stuff got him shipped out.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not forgetting that
When I say “championship games” I refer to conference championships, which is what cjfaris had pointed toward. He said TO’s teams played in “many” NFC title games, but TO was actually only in one of those.
There is no disputing that TO was a terror in that SB versus the Pats.
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 24, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feel free
Look, I know that you like coming here, and of course, are welcome. I also acknowledge that you have an opinion on Cutler, and that’s fine too. But, seriously, this one?
Cutler and Turner should pan out well, BUT if they don’t Jeremy Bates to the rescue
Aside from the fact that he’s gone to college ball (where he should probably stay and get some seasoning), Bates can’t rescue anyone. You’ve been here long enough to know his story in pressure, red zone and 2 minute situations and how bad his playcalling was in those (you should also know by now how bad Cutler’s decision-making and throws were in those same situations). If you want Bates in Chicago, I can only assume that you’re a Green Bay fan. How’s the weather up there?
On the short game that you seem thrilled with, Orton had a substantially better TD/pass ratio than Cutler. If you’re not going to use Cutler’s longer arm, there was not advantage to the trade for Chicago.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 11:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Another sterling post, Bear...
Your posts always stir the opinions and start the brains to working! Thanks!
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Jun 23, 2009 8:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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