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The Draft Strategy and Impact by Colinski

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This is NOT one of my posts. It came out as a comment under my article on the Mythology of the Running Game. Boydy2669 made a comment leading to this link. Colinski decided, in his inimitable way to respond thoroughly. The overarching subject had morphed, as subjects around here so often do, to the reality that there is, of course, a plan on the part of Head Coach McDaniels and Company. I've noted that in detail myself, pointing out that McDaniels gave repeated 6 hour presentations on less than 2 weeks time of preparation, something that I myself have done, rarely and with difficulty although my adult life was filled with but a single area of professional study. He had to have tremendous reams of material archived, prepared and developed.

That said, boydy had commented on The Plan and Colinski was kind enough to present a thorough, cohesive and exemplary discussion of draft planning and strategy. I felt that it was far too important to leave hidden in a comments thread that was beginning to fizzle out anyway. If I have in any way been presumptuous in presenting the material of both men (A link to boydy's and Colinski's comment, please forgive me. It is in the spirit of sharing things of rare thought, organization and importance.

I feel that those who argue that there is either a lack of planning or poor planning should have every right to present such arguments, preferably with a similar level of detail, organization and contemplation. However - these discussions should be considered by those on either side of the questions.Onward to Colinski's comment, with a link i the first word to boydy's work.

Star-divide

This was an exceptional post, BTW, boydy2669.

Some of the comments pundits made about our draft were inane. And I’ve been contemplating a review of draft strategy — just to try to clarify some points. Let me make a few of those points here, and I may go long.

Firstly, it’s best to look at absolute rating when considering picks because the BPA at an area of need may still fall below the threshold that justifies a pick. It’s a poor strategy to reach just because someone is the best at that position.

Moreover, we actually had a number of front seven players who were better than those reaches so we’d only be wasting money. The MSM was NOT aware of our talent level at DL/LB and they merely assumed that we were devoid of talent.

A final, and quite important consideration, is experience. The best way to address shortcomings at the front 7 is through FAs, and we brought in Fields, Reid and Davis. At best, draftees from the first two rounds can contribute immediately, and the number of DL34/LB34 types was extremely limited.

SUPERMARKET MENTALITY

The attitude that we should have taken ANY defensive player who fit — however superficially — into our areas of need is odd. I’ve equated it to shopping in a supermarket, and the assumption is (of course) that everything you need is on the shelf and all you have to do take one. This was not a good year for DLs, and the situation was compounded by the number of teams switching to the 3-4. LB was another, and curious, problem. Our needs were not as great as people expected (I credit it to a carryover effect from our needs in the 4-3 and memories of Webster). There also appeared to be a general downgrading of the position, which is why so many touted ILBs remained undrafted.

THE TEAM BUILDING PROJECT

Fixing our deficiencies on defense requires greater care than is generally recognized, and it’s also remarkable that the so-called experts are as oblivious as the layperson in this regard. There’s also a longshot myth that adds to the confusion. Some longshots do make succeed, and some UDFAs do, too, but there’s a limited amount of room for these players on the roster because of the 80 man roster limit. I certainly wouldn’t have regarded it as a victory if we brought in a large number of late round DL draftees if all they did was supplant current players such as Crowder. Despite the often repeated ‘bust’ tag that’s associated with some team members, our chances are better if we them continue to develop them rather than mindlessly replace them with other, less talented, low round picks in the hope that one will develop eventually. I realize that many people believe that players such as Crowder and Moss aren’t worth the expenditure required for further development, but the truth is that they’re still far better prospects than late round draftees.

UNDERSTANDING ‘DRAFT’ LOGISTICS

A guide: early round picks are expected to contribute immediately as starters or future starters. Later picks are expected to fill backup roles, situational roles and/or STs duties. The principle behind draft logistics is to understand how ‘when’ translates into ‘where.’ What people should notice about this Bronco draft is how EVERY pick had a position waiting for him. There’s no waste – NONE! Another of the oft repeated myths is that you acquire an overabundance of talent and let competition eliminate the excess. It’s true, as far as UDFAs go, but it’s a real money waster when you have to eat the draftees’ signing bonuses. Last year’s draft may have distorted our expectations regarding the likelihood of draftees’ success but it’s truly amazing to have an entire draft class in which even the late picks have a better than even chance of sticking.

DRAFT LOGISTIC PRINCIPLE 2. — "count, count, count"

Fans often don’t have a concrete understanding of roster numbers, and this in turn leads to unrealistic expectations regarding how many players can be added. There’s also a lack of appreciation for the experience factor. Populating your roster with a large amount of rookies creates problems, and only cellar dwelling teams that are willing to pay a sacrifice in immediate success can regard this as justifiable. Much as with the ‘when’ and ‘where’ draft relationship, teams must carefully consider the effect of having a large number of rookies at a position or area. There’s a limit to the ‘greening’ factor, and there’s a limit to how many rookies you can hope to add, which is the result of ‘hard’ roster math. Another way to look at this — even if we were successful at adding at every position on the DL, we’d be fielding a very young and inexperienced DL. A ‘successful’ draft of this type would forgo (for the most part) our chances of success this year. Teams have to minimize this effect of ‘growing too young too quickly.’

IMPACT

I’ve wedded the concepts of ‘need’ and ‘BPA’ into ‘impact.’ I’d previously used the term ‘utility’ to describe this idea. Both need and BPA have misused to the point that they’ve lost much of their value as concepts. What’s remarkable is how often so-called draft experts equivocate between the two concepts, and blast teams — alternately — for either not filling a need and not taking the BPA — a Catch-22.

IMPACT & DRAFT RISK

Moreno is a marvelous example of an impact player. He not only filled a team need (which pundits have yet to figure out) but he was the BPA at that point in the draft. More than that, his position and personal abilities mark him as someone who can make big contributions in his first year. He’s both less risky and more likely to make an impact.

I like using impact as a draft criterion because it avoids the difficulties that accompany need and BPA. Impact is a pragmatic decision, you’re only looking at whether a player could contribute in some way to your team. It may be because need & BPA have become so theoretical that people have lost sight of concrete reality.

Final thoughts — since it bears repeating, all of the draft picks have ‘spots’ that they can easily fill on this team. Moreover, many of the late picks are ‘timely’ picks since they can fill backup roles, and they’ll have the chance to develop. The receivers we drafted — Quinn and McKinley — also fit with the impact criterion, since their role will be to fill out multiple receiver sets rather than provide backup. One major point that’s been missed is how well suited our returnees are to switch to a 3-4. Added to this, there’s a truly remarkable UDFA crop of defensive players who are experienced in a 3-4 scheme. It will still take some time to add the necessary pieces to the defense but the cupboard is not nearly as bare as the pundits would have us believe.

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bear I will go with one paragraph at a time so I don't get lost in transition.

BPA as to addressing a certain need. Was Oakland’s pick of Heyward-Bey a good pick at #7 for them, as I remember somewhere I read he was rated at #37?

We have players who haven’t even had a chance to compete yet, such as Moss, Crowder, and others. Those two guys may be monsters waiting to crawl out of their caves. The MSM tend to evaluate the things they see and not things that could be.

The bringing in of Fields, Reid, and Davis was a brilliant move in my opinion, and I have given this considerable thought, they were snatched up immediately and left me to wonder if the coaches had their eye on them for awhile before the F/A acquistition. With McBean, Pedescleaux, Baker, Rulon Davis, Parker, Askew, Ayers, Peterson, Powell, Marcus Thomas, Dumervil, Smith, and Larsen, we may have a monster front seven this year. It seems as though all the players mentioned have good character, are strong, smart and versitile. Your thoughts on them bear.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 9:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

DRAFT PHILOSOPHY

My feeling is that BPA has become a dogmatic belief. This is also true for drafting for need.

My guess is that fans DO follow your example of ‘shopping hungry’ and view almost any attractive athlete as desirable regardless of positional fit and other considerations. As with the shopping hungry metaphor, it’s an impulse purchase, one that’s guided by the reverie of being in the presence of so many new toys. We’ve all had these moments as children around Christmas. It’s the rush we feel upon entering a store’s toy department and seeing the cornucopia of possible gifts. Our thinking process at this moment is euphoric, we’re allowed to give in to our desires. It’s no coincidence that fans read football magazines in the same way as they once perused Christmas catalogs (and still may).

The very notion of BPA gives the impression that athletes are “better” and imbues them with a ‘must have’ quality. Again, much like Christmas shopping reverie analogy, the desire for particular players is like the "hot toy’ phenomenon. Players are desired, not because of a pragmatic consideration of how their skills may help a team, but because they possess an indescribable something that marks them as hot properties. It’s less a concrete decision than an attachment to the possibility they represent, and an accompanying dread of missing out on such a desirable commodity. Notice the emotional reaction that fans have upon hearing that their favorite prospects weren’t chosen. Their attachment to that ‘wished for’ choice is like a young boy’s desire for the latest ‘hot toy.’ The news that he won’t be receiving that toy is treated like a calamity.

Let me change tack here on the subject of drafting for need — “addressing a need” is similar to what often drives politics. Politicians MUST address problems, and — oddly — it’s even more important to address problems than actually solve them. The public’s focus is on the problem itself and solutions to the problem are expected to necessarily flow from politicians having a proper level of concern. This heightened public awareness of the problem doesn’t lend itself particularly well to producing reasonable solutions since many of the suggestions that arise are emotional outcries. NFL teams are caught in the same bind. Failing to address a need is seen in the same light as failing to address a problem.

The tendency to lose sight of actual solutions to team deficiencies is apparent in the clamor to address needs. Teams are hardly unaware of their needs but solving the problem requires careful consideration. Oddly, the public’s favorite solution, which is to draft defensive talent at an area of need, often falls short, because few rookies are capable of transforming a weakness into a strength early in their career. Teams rely on a variety of solutions; FAs are brought in, schemes and coaches are changed, and players are drafted (when available and appropriate), but their purpose is often more for the long run. It’s a gradual process, and it requires great care, which is not what the public is clamoring for. The types of massive changes that many fans propose would be disruptive if implemented, and the instant elevation of younger players before they’re ready could be detrimental to their careers. Quality organizations groom their athletes over a period of time and provide a framework that increases players’ chances of developing until they’re ready to assume starting roles. It’s not a crapshoot; it’s a carefully considered apprenticeship.

THERE ARE NO QUICK FIXES

What a lot of people didn’t like about this offseason was the way in which McX went about rebuilding the team. “Too many FAs were brought in,” it was said, “and they’re too old,” or, “not good enough to make a difference.” It’s not as if a Haynesworth, etc., wouldn’t have helped, but the greatest impact was achieved by bringing a greater number of FAs, and this is largely because the salary cap limits the cost-effectiveness of high priced additions, especially for teams in the rebuilding mode. Age — oddly — is not a problem, because younger players are more expensive, besides the fact that we’re only looking for someone to play until the younger players are ready to assume starting roles.

What many people disliked about our draft — the selection of offensive rather than defensive players in the late rounds — makes sense from a team building logistics point of view. The purpose of these picks was to specifically fill backup or niche roles, such as special teams or receivers in multiple sets. Starter quality 3-4 defensive players, the kind of player who could have had an impact, were unfortunately rare and all of them were taken by the end of the 2nd or 3rd round. It’s also the case that the deepest positions in the draft — receiver and offensive line — were where we went late, and the BPA at this point was quite likely to be at these positions because of the depth of the crop.

CONSERVING PICK VALUE

Value is preserved only when teams are able to convert pick value into meaningful assets. There’s a tendency to treat pick value like money and assume that savings can be pocketed and used on another day. In truth, you must spend your value wisely or forgo the chance to add in this draft. Previously, I tried to express this idea as saving money on an item you don’t really want. People have become so enamored with the abstract notion of picks that they’ll forfeit the opportunity to realize value currently in favor of modest gains in the future. Much like attitudes towards money, people are fixated with the value of the pick itself rather than what that pick can purchase. I referred to this as a stockpiling or cheap tool theory, in which we let price dictate our buying choices and buy the cheapest item even when it’s not what you want. This emphasis on cheapness over quality has become ingrained in our thinking. In the case of the draft, clinging to this abstract notion usually produces more of a less desired commodity, and this commodity is often cut. These are losses, too, but whereas people will vehemently argue against extravagance dudring the draft they will largely ignore the later waste when players are cut, and/or frame these losses separately as an unforeseeable and unavoidable outcome.

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 21, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

One thing you never do is go to the Super Market hungry.

You’ll often times buy more things than you necessarily need. We see it all the time, teams go to the draft hungry and come out of it with a basket full of groceries they don’t need. That’s why I applauded McDaniels after the draft. At first I was going, huh? but after thinking it through, it doned on me, this guy (McDaniels) is going to be a great coach one day. He has already set himself apart from the rest IMO.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Team Building.

I’m with you on Moss and Crowder, let them develop into players they should be. I’ve read where defensive linemen take 2 to 3 years to fully get their play in gear. It takes time and there is alot more involved in developing a player than people think. Ryan Torain for example was considerd to be a prototype of Terrell Davis. He had injuries and the media calls him a bust. He may come out this year and explode all over the field. The MSM and people who listen to them expect playes to come out of college and suceed right away. Some players come of the gate running, others need time to adjust to NFL life. Alphonzo Smith is another one, if he has a mediocre year the MSM will be all over it, saying look, look, McDaniels threw away a first round pick for the bum. The MSM IMO are leeches and every once in a while you just have to scrape them off and move on. Anything they say I am very leary of of it being factual.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

immediate and long term impact

Defensive lineman take time to develop, as statistical analysis shows, and it’s ridiculous to think that Moss and Crowder are judged by two years’ that included Bates’ run contain and Slowik’s scheme of last year.

Regarding Smith — he and all of our picks are instant impact types because they’re slotted for positions they’ve played and produced in. There’s still a learning curve, of course, but no one is projected at a position they haven’t already played. Some of the picks were drafted as developmental prospects, such as Brandstater, but that’s part of the objective with later picks.

I view Alphonso Smith as a “slot CB,” which is an adjustment many DCs are making to the multiple receiver sets in which a Royal/Stokley type brutalizes the typical 2nd string CBs used in nickel formations. I guess having a slot specialist who’s more familiar with the coverage responsibilities is subtly different than merely having a nickel with that assignment.

Our draft was very much geared to immediate contribution — actually. And that was part of the point in trading next year’s 1st to Seattle for the rights to pick Smith. We brought all of the value we obtained for Cutler, as well as next year’s 5th, into this year. The point was to make this year’s team as good as possible — now.

BTW — I was looking at last year’s lineup in the media guide and it’s hard to see how we wouldn’t be better this year. I think the “Kool-aid” charge could be made against our attitude towards last year’s team. We’ve yet to see them play, of course, but the depth situation is much better this year.

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 21, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe as you do ski,

and it is not hard for people to see the changes we have made are much better, at least on paper. The real test will come when these players put the new system and scheme into operation. If we succeed, the MSM will discount it as a fluke of luck. They have no repect for this franchise IMHO.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 22, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Principal #2

We hear it all the time, well they are going through a rebuilding process that’s why they are struggling. There has to be a “balance” of veteran players verses young players. The veterans to teach and lead. Teams that throw players away after 2 or 3 years will never get anywhere. Often times we will see a player explode on the scene, and we’ll say where did he come from? Well he has been on the team 3 or 4 years now and has finally come into his game. Then we say, hmm, never heard of him.

Moreno can be great this year and so on, but, as the Vikings’ Adrian Peterson rushed for 1760 yds last year their passing game only made 2956 yds. The balance between the players wasn’t there, even though they made the playoffs, they need a quarterback to run that offense. They are looking at Brett Farve in hopes of filling that “need”.

Great post as usual bear, and the cupboard is not bare. Happy Fathers Day to all.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I like all of your points, bf2b

Please keep in mind that I’m passing this post on because it was too good to let fall behind – it’s not my own work. Colinski did too good a job to let it slide.

As far as my evaluation of the front 7 – until we get into pads, it’s all just theory. It won’t take long before we’ll really know what we have. However – there are a few points that can be made.

Fields was NOT ‘just a backup’ as so many wrote. He was developmental, and he learned both the NT and 34DE roles. I look for him to do well over time – the first few games, they will all be getting to know each other, and I don’t think that expecting otherwise is fair, although they may still win early. I thought that Thomas was too good a potential DE for this scheme to use at NT, so if he’s backing up at NT, there are guys doing very well at the DE slot. Who? Peterson, sure, and after that it’s wait and see, but I’ll be glued to the set. But Thomas will be out there when we slide to the 4-3, also.

McBean interested me last year – he was incredibly raw – and he interests me more since he’s been living in the weight room and filling out that 6’5 290+ frame of his. He’s only 24. He’ll need more time to develop and I’m glad that he’s getting some 1st string reps. If Nolan and McD like him, he could develop fast. It’s his third season, even if he’s been on the PS. Pedescleaux and Davis need to show us that they can play on this level – Davis to show that he can stay healthy. Powell has to be intriguing, but again – he’s a cipher right now. So are Parker and Askew and I couldn’t begin to guess who is camp fodder and who will make the team.

Reid interests me mostly because elsewhere he’s been a hellacious ST player and we need those. What position will he play here? Could be several options, and we’ll know more when we see the schemes. They sure snapped him up, though, so they see something good (Not that a decent ST wouldn’t be a joy by itself).

Ayers – great pickup. They know exactly what they want him to do. He’s matured and it shows in how he carries himself. Great skills, improving fast, very versatile. Larsen is what every team wants – high desire, high character, no complaints, a ‘How can I help the team coach?’ kind of guy. Skills? I thought that he looked good last year and one thing that we’ve seen from him in the past is that he always improves (think Hillis, who is similar in many regards). Doom is murder to stop on the outside and with a MUCH better scheme, please, he’s going to regain his effectiveness (isolating him on the edge on running plays wasn’t very effective, or even very bright, really).

By the way, Smith will have to adjust to the NFL but he’s going to be very, very good IMHO. So, the overall is simple – they have huge potential, they aren’t in pads yet, but anytime you have a lot of very young talent, you are flat out guaranteed that you will love – and hate – what they do at different times during the year. It was true last year and will be again. However – this year we will have more experienced leaders like Dawkins and A. Davis (and Hill and Goodman) to keep the ship stable.

I’m actually not worried about this year’s record. We might or might not be good, but we weren’t going to build a basis for success with more of the same from the past three seasons. I love the direction they are going and believe that we will surprise a few teams. Beyond that – we’re getting our hooves under us for a serious run in 2010 and 2011 and that’s what I want to see done.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 21, 2009 10:43 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

prognosis

I ran across some thorough analysis of how teams fared after switching to the 3-4. I don’t know if I should hope we make a complete switch this year based on this analysis, but the indications are that it’s better to go whole hog than halfway in a hybrid.

My feeling is that personnel is important, even though it shows otherwise. The frequency with which we use a 3 man front will depend on how well they perform.

The big positive is that there’s a pronounced improvement in run stopping. In fact, that may be the most important — and overlooked — reason for making the switch. It’s also part of why we needed to strengthen our pass defense, in an anticipatory compensatory reaction to expected gains in run defense.

This last point concerning building the pass defense is yet another that’s been grossly misunderstood by the pundits. To use a caricature — “why build your pass defense? You need pass rushing ability or it’s a waste.” I don’t know that we’ll be much better at pass rushing (but it’s hard to be worse), but there’s no reason we need to wait to fix our run stopping ability and secondary while we work on our pass rush.

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 21, 2009 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting article, although I don't agree with his analysis...

It’s unclear how he is distinguishing between “pure 3-4” defenses and hybrids. He acknowledges that NE runs multiple fronts, often showing a 4-3 front yet calls them a pure 3-4, while calling Balt a hybrid yet they didn’t do anything appreciably different from NE.

Also while he acknowledges personnel changes he doesn’t normalize his analysis for it. Was NE’s success due to the abrubt change or due to acquiring Ted Washington? Was Balt’s leveling off due to the slow transition or due to the retirement of key players like Tony Saragusa?

Finally he really doesn’t account for reversion to the mean. The Ravens set an NFL record for scoring defense. You have to expect that their defense is going to level off the next year regardless of any scheme shift.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 22, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same problems with it

It would be nice if we did have statistics that showed how often teams stick to their base scheme, as well as what the results were, but I’ve yet to see them anywhere. And ignoring personnel issues — as if scheme alone were the only issue — is silly.

what I did get out of this analysis was the potential to stop the run, which is heartening from our standpoint.

I took the commentary on hybrids with a big grain of salt. And that’s also because I find statistical analysis less than useful and prefer examining the construction of the defense from a theoretical perspective. I was drawn to the possibility that we’d be running a hybrid soon after McDaniels & Nolan were hired, and I’ve yet to see anything that would change my mind. Waldo’s (apparent) contention that we should obey statistical norms and ignore personnel issues is absurd. This is what I call the fallacy of the three foot river, in which you base your actions on what’s true of the whole (it averages 3 ft. deep), and not on what’s specifically true for you (that you can still drown in a deep section).

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 22, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you've touched on a pet peeve of mine

the mis-use of statistics. I am constantly having to tell people at work that statistics allow you to draw inferences about the whole from data regarding the parts. However, statistics about the whole tell you nothing about the individual. Knowing that the average height of a North American male is 5’11" tells you nothing about how tall your neighbor is. Likewise, knowing that 3-4 defenses on the average perform a certain way tells you nothing about how a specific team will fare running a 3-4.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 22, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a tasteless joke

It’s about the average family having 2.2 children. Was it a thalidomide baby?

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 22, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harpo says: so one's a midget?

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 22, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this one

If your QB throws a TD on every 6th drive, and and interception on every 10th drive, then on the average he must be a franchise QB

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 22, 2009 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have at least 3 coaches and there may be more that could be coaching NFL teams.

There is a wealth of defensive coaching knowledge and it might not take as long as some figure to get this new scheme up and running. Most of the players we have are more suited for the 3-4, and they played last year like ducks out of water. Thanks ski.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 22, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great decision

To bring this post out of hiding Bear. Great read. Thanks.

by rg2247 on Jun 21, 2009 10:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna ride Bear's drawing power here...

I was thinking of doing a short FanPost of my own out of this nugget from Lombardi’s piece at NFP today. It comes from the NBA draft actually, from former NBA exec Bill Mussleman, via his son Eric…a friend and mentor of Lombardi’s:

He believed 85 percent of the league was equal in talent, but it is important to find the mentally tough players. Character does matter, and who we surround them with in terms of mentally tough players make them much better.

Too me, this is the MacX plan in its most simple form. McX didn’t see a roster of needs needly broken down into positions and built on tried and true axioms like “It’s the front seven, sunshine!!!!” Physically capable 5 techniques are a dime a dozen in this world. A lot of them are flipping burgers as we speak. However, the guy that plays for love and competitiveness is a rarer thing, and if you jump on those guys when you see them, and mix them in with the guys playing well enough to keep the paycheck might all the sudden become motivated by something bigger, too. Rarely does the the team that plays the hardest lose…and even when they do, the average fan is just as proud to call that team his or hers at the end of the day. You get that ball rolling, and the sky is the limit.

 

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I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 21, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly the way I feel PO.

If the team is playing as hard as they can then I have no gripe with them as far as winning or losing. It’s when they look confused and lackadaisical, that’s when I get mad. And players who go sit on the bench after a bad play and pout. I can see that sometimes a player may need to collect his thoughts and regroup himself, but, then get up and rally the team to play better. Nice job PO.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 21, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent.

Thanks for giving additional perspective. rec’d

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

by BShrout on Jun 21, 2009 11:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Doc...

Thanks for the support and kudos my friend.
And ’Ski…you knocked it out of the park my man.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 21, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good work Bear/Ski.

Thanks for the extended, thoughtful analysis. I enjoyed savoring this thread.

by NedBronco on Jun 21, 2009 10:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This was an excellent team effort by you three - Bear, Ski and Boydy.

At the beginning of the draft, I was pissed. I thought our coaches had fallen off the wagon. It took until Sunday evening before I began to understand their thought process. It is not a matter of plugging in a guy and hoping for good results. It is a well thought-out plan to succeed. Just like a salesman: plan your work and work your plan. They are looking at the shortest route between where we are now and where we want to end up.

I hope that we start with a 3-4 defense that morphs into a 5-2 and other variations of it. I think that – given the guys on the roster – this lends to the greatest success IMO. We have some guys like Moss, Crowder, Doom and some 2nd yr guys who are ready to really blossom. Joe Collier will be proud.

Thanks again for putting this together.

by Blackknigh on Jun 22, 2009 12:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

At the beginning of the draft, I was pissed. I thought our coaches had fallen off the wagon. It took until Sunday evening before I began to understand their thought process.
That’s what happened to most folks last year – and then we met Eddie Royal and a few other folks. I look forward to a similar experience this year!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 22, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ski provides great explanations of the concept of value

This was a much better read than could be found in the MSM diatribes. What a shame that people that get paid to write perform at such low levels. Rec’d.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

As usual

Another great post. I’m always like hearing things from a positive perspective; and at the same time, a well educated one. I look forward to the next one.

by USMCWall on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to MHR USMCWall

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra

by KaptainKirk on Jun 23, 2009 9:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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