Horse Tracks 6/23/09 - They're dreaming of BMarsh in Chi-town

DB - BTV Exclusive: Running Red Rocks - Broncos TV
20 Broncos players went to Red Rocks last week for a grueling workout. Chris Hall reports and offers footage and interviews. Newest Bronco WR Brandon Lloyd even made the trip, just after being signed.
DB - A Change of Scenery
Here is Gray Caldwell's accompanying article.
NFP - The Impact Players: AFC West
Matt Bowen thinks much of the Broncos' pass rush in 2009 will depend upon Robert Ayers. Interestingly, Bowen says he expects Kyle Orton to run Josh McDaniels' offense just fine.
DP - Moss: Atwater a big hitter even in retirement
Irv Moss checks in with the Smiling Assassin. Atwater covers all the bases, including his hit on the Nigerian Nightmare, the Super Bowl victories, leaving Denver for the Jets (puke), and Denver defenders getting snubbed by the HOF.
DDN - Broncos are broke
Gil Whiteley speculates that potential financial problems for Pat Bowlen could be another issue keeping BMarsh from getting paid.
SI - Brandon Marshall, Plaxico Burress further diva stereotype for WRs
Don Banks looks at the NFL's wide receivers and wonders, "What's with these guys?!"
MDH - Marshall would be fine in Bears' uniform
Someone at the Morris Daily Herald wants BMarsh to come and feel the Illinoise.
SB - Hometown Report: One-sport prep athletes miss out
Lonie Paxton was back in Sacramento to accept a donation for his charity.
NFP - Real Fake People: Al Davis
Ray Gustini offers a HILARIOUS post written as if he were (shudder) Al Davis. Must read, folks.
NFL - (DT La'Roi) Glover retires after 13 seasons, six trips to the Pro Bowl
FOX - Goodell facing groundbreaking NFL rulings
Alex Marvez loves Oakland's acquisition of Greg Ellis. Meanwhile, the Chefs have lost a lot of collective weight in Todd Haley's new workout program.
NFL - Stay-cation: No time for summer break for these guys
Vic Carucci counts the Denver front office among those who are not exactly experiencing a summer lull.
Y! - Cowboys face bittersweet start in $1.1B palace
Mike Silver shares a lot of emails from the DP message boarders about Brandon Marshall, apparently.
NFP - Diner morning news: Childress & the Vikings - Mike Lombardi
NFP - No handouts in Detroit - Matt Bowen
NFP - Opening the books - Andrew Brandt
CBS - Diamonds in the rough: D rookies on faster track
Rob Rang counts Alphonso Smith among the rookie defenders he's got the highest expectations for.
ESPN - With a healthy Carson Palmer and a focused Chad Ochocinco, the Cincinnati Bengals could surprise
Anyone want to read Clayton's mailbag?
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good mornin'
yikes the news is so slow this time of year!
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 23, 2009 6:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you nyc.
I appreciate your continuing efforts to bring us the latest news.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
by solace on Jun 23, 2009 7:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nyc
Matt Bowen shows a little sense. How long before the others fall into line?
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
by KaptainKirk on Jun 23, 2009 8:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just revisiting the pre-draft scouting on Jarvis Moss, and a few things jumped out at me...
Jarvis Moss spent most of his first two years at Florida battling injuries and medical problems. He didn’t get an opportunity to start for Florida until 2005 and was highly effective; however, his junior season (2006) his stock began to soar. Moss has a tremendous upside and playmaker potential as a pass rusher off the edge. He displays a quick burst off the edge, which allows him to set up wide of the tackle and easily shed the block to disrupt the quarterback. His quickness and agility allows him to slide down the line of scrimmage in pursuit of the ball carrier. Moss has the ability to drop into coverage based in athleticism and natural instincts. He will clearly need to bulk up to compete as an every down defensive end at the next level. Moss also lacks the upper body strength of most defensive linemen, thus often has difficulty shedding offensive linemen once engaged. He needs to develop additional pass rushing moves and avoid his dependency to beat his opponents on sheer speed alone. Moss is probably better suited to move to outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme to showcase his athleticism and playmaking abilities. Moss’s stock is extremely high at this point after a sensational performance in the National Championship game, which should place him in the first round. Moss could go as high as a mid first round pick, but should definitely be gone by the second round.
Between Dumervil, Ayers, Reid, and Moss, the Broncos might be able to cobble together a formidable edge pass rush, should the stars align properly…
by JeffG on Jun 23, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I can’t help but think, “Who the heck would draft a guy like that to be a 4-3 end?!?!”
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly...
“Who the heck would line up such a player directly over the OT?”
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Jun 23, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would you rather draft...
…a fast, athletic, long-armed 260 lb OLB who has shown himself to be a game-changing edge rusher? — or a underweight, weak, 260 lb DE who has trouble shedding blocks from offensive lineman?
by JeffG on Jun 23, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds to me
Like the wrong team drafted him. haha
by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 23, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Shanahan was on his way to the 3-4,
With Powell as NT, Moss as DE/OLB, Crowder as DE, but the injuries curtained his plans. He instituted it in the later part of the season, but it was a little too late. Moss may be the dark horse everyone has been talking about here lately. He may explode onto the scene this year, and one can only hope, especially me for I have been watching this kid since the draft and was disappointed that he was injured.
by bfree2bronc on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The year he was drafted
Wasn’t Bates trying to install a hybrid 3-4 defense that, after struggling immensely early on, Shanny promptly took the reigns of and reverted back to a base 4-3?
I could be wrong, but I believe he was drafted to play the roll as an OLB, but after things fell apart so quickly, his roll changed and he never really had a chance to play the position he was drafted for.
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Jun 23, 2009 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NYC.
Great Atwater piece.
"Call me a cannibal!"
by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 23, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Marshall in Chicago
It seems to me that the best thing for JC’s long term development might be NOT having BM around as a crutch. IChicago fans should watch what they hope for, maybe.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 23, 2009 8:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Annoying
Sorry, but did this comment from Cutler chap you guys as much as it chapped me?
Just checking in on him and seeing how he’s doing, because I went through a similar thing that he’s going through.
Excuse me Jay, but this situation is entirely different than what you put the organization and all Bronco fans through during the spring.
BMarsh exhibited 100x the integrity you did by going straight to the owner and coach and making his case known. You never bothered answering their phone calls, texts, faxes, smoke signals, or any other form of modern communication invented. And from all the evidence, BMarsh’s demands appear to be purely contract related. You on the other hand, just couldn’t deal with the fact that you may have been traded.
Although I don’t agree with the approach, I respect the fact that Marshall has made it clear to the front office of what his demands are. Sure, the end result may be the same as yours by initiating a trade, but I know I’ll be much sadder and disappointed to see him go than I did you.
So sorry Jay….you can’t compare the two situations. They’re galaxies apart. To quote the great Jules Winnfield…..“It ain’t the same f***in’ ballpark, it ain’t the same league, it ain’t even the same f***in’ sport!”
by pshin8670 on Jun 23, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Cutler is finally hinting at the fact that his move was financially motivated…
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Jun 23, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, where's his new contract?
God u folks have GOT to be bored!
Go kick your dog or something!
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 23, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
His new contract is
In the same drawer as your Cutler boy-love kneepads.
He’s overrated. He’s immature. He’s gone. Get over it.
by jdkchem on Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO Chicago got a deficient quarterback for a substantial quarterback plus
2 first round picks, which we already received, and a 3rd round pick. Which one was that? So, we received a substantial quarterback and 3 quality players for a deficient quarterback. Hmm. If I was a Chicago fan I would be questioning the Bears inanity. Kyle Orton, Robert Ayers, Alphonzo Smith and David Bruton? for jay? The amth doesn’t add up. We got taken…Someone call the police, hurry, we got the shaft….
by bfree2bronc on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Bruton or Richard Quinn
Didn’t we trade our two 3rd rounders, including the Chicago pick, for a 2nd (Richard Quinn) and a 4th (David Bruton)? So the Chicago pick could account for either Quinn or Bruton?
by Endzone on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was quite interesting reading that comment.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Denver Daily News a real newspaper?
That piece on Pat Bowlen being broke is so poorly written. There are numerous grammatical errors, I can’t believe they paid someone to write it or edit it.
Thanks for the links NYC. I loved the Red Rocks ones. Josh Barrett is a cutie.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
by batgirl on Jun 23, 2009 8:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought. How can someone who considers himself a journalist not know the difference between “lose” and “loose?”
by Velveeta on Jun 23, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep dreaming Chi-town
Even if they trade Brandon there is no way they’d do it to Chicago.
Nothing would make McDaniels and Denver look awful then see Cutler and Marshall lightening it up in Chicago.
by hallandnash on Jun 23, 2009 8:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Along with...
the fact that they have nothing left to give, as they already bet the farm on Cutler
by Matt In Canada on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was thinking.
There is no way McD is going to trade BM to Chicago even if they have something to give…..which they don’t.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Jun 23, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Whiteley "piece" was something all right.
I can’t improve upon the first comment on that article. Where is the evidence? That’s like seeing someone trip once and writing a “news” report about that person having a deteriorating knee condition. Baseless, outlandish conjecture seems to be the norm. Must …. sell…. more…. papers…..
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Because Bowlen Sports, Inc and the Denver Broncos are privately held, there is no easy way of getting their true finacial status. That article was ALL speculation. I’m not sure about this year, but in ‘08 Forbes reported that the Broncos are the 11th most profitable NFL team in league. Here’s the link:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sportsmoney_nfl08_Denver-Broncos_308211.html
Notice that the team revenue continues to climb each year and operating costs are some of lowest this decade. I call BS on Whitely’s article.
by rollinthunder on Jun 23, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are some interesting bits in that article about Cutler...
Cutler says he would now handle the matter differently in some ways but expresses no regrets about landing in Chicago.
Yeah, I’ll bet. Little late now. Effer.
The Washington Redskins also made a run at Cutler. Cutler empathizes with how Redskins’ quarterback Jason Campbell must have felt as the team sought his replacement.
“It’s tough,” Cutler said. “It happened to me. He’s handled it great. He’s said very few things, kind of handled it internally within the organization and kept it in the building.”
“He’s just got to keep doing what he’s doing — work hard and run the offense.”
Hmmmm… Imagine handling it internally with the organization instead of running to the press with sequined tights and jazz hands and an American Idol Karaoke mic.
If we make a run at him, we make a run at him.
Classic example of Cutler’s soaring rhetoric. That translates to “I really want my BFF with me in Chicago!”
I apologize for my cynicism today. Go ahead. Lambast me for my hypocrisy. I deserve it.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know Harv
It sounds to me like he should have taken his own advice there. What is this; 3 times now that he’s contradicted himself? He continues to portray the immaturity that got him traded in the first place, and fails to even see it himself. Grow up young man, and be accountable for yourself.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
by KaptainKirk on Jun 23, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, Jim.
He contradicts himself, and in doing so, gradually reveals his true feelings. If I were a writer for the MSM, I would have taken that first quote above, when Cutler said he would handle the matter differently, and speculated and extrapolated that he is upset with the level of talent at receiver in Chicago, he realizes his agent just derailed his career for $$$, and that he really misses the ownership and organization in Denver, and he would love to get the chance to go back. Good thing I don’t write for the MSM.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 23, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a load of crap!
he ran to the press? he didn’t say sh
I’m sure if he did, he’d have much to say about how he really feels about our young coach!
Goodness! He sez everything right and you still hate!
You haters make me want to stop coming here!
…I know I know
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 23, 2009 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh So U R A woodbie....?!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hugh?
Good greif!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jun 23, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whidbey,
Unfortunately, I’m having some real internet speed problems. Otherwise, I’d link you article after article from Feb 23 through the middle of March when Cutler was traded illustrating Cutler’s obsession with giving this fiasco a very public face. He DID go to to the Media. The part that I really take issue with is that he went to the media INSTEAD of talking to the Broncos. As has been rehashed on this site SO many times, trade talks are a part of life in the NFL. Jay expected loyalty from the Broncos, but the moment there was question, he did not give them the same respect. Jay Cutler aired his frustrations for all to see. Josh McDaniels and Pat Bowlen tried to handle it privately, but that is not Bus Cook’s style. This is not me being a hater; these are facts. Cutler’s behavior was unprofessional at best, childish at worst.
On a different note, I read posts from you all the time. I rarely agree with them. That said, I want you to keep posting, because it does force me to question a lot. Am I being too much of a homer? Am I drinking too much Kool-Aid? On the flipside, do not lump everyone at MHR in with my opinion. We are not all haters, including me. Granted, I was on kind of a tear yesterday, and the bit about the sequined tights was over the top. Am I mad? Hell yeah. Our great and powerful QB is now in Chicago. The debate about whether he used a tiny rumor to push and pout his way out of town, or whether McDaniels’ ego forced him out, is an old one and has been explored deeply enough that everyone is tired of it. You and I come down on different sides of that debate.
Thanks for your insight, but don’t blast me for my opinions, and don’t take your toys and go home. Just keep presenting your side with facts and contribute to the search for truth.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 24, 2009 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No need to apolgize Nep2n.
It is alot easier for Cutler to give advice after the fact.
"He’s just got to keep doing what he’s doing — work hard and run the offense."
Hey Cutler, did you try doing this? I mean you never tried learning Josh’s offense.
Handling things internally. That would have been nice.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it isn't
It’s a free daily, commonly referred to as a “homeless blanket”
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
That should have been a reply to Batgirl
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 23, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Rocks
i love seeing the Red Rocks trip.
The Broncos began in Golden nearly 50 years ago and it is nice to see them return there for a day.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jun 23, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Loved the article on Atwater!
It is good to see that he is prospering, after football! After seeing so many players declaring bankruptcy, it’s good to see that he is “Nation Wide” with his management co.
I used to absolutely love those hits that he laid on the opposition! He made me jump out of the easy chair more than anyone i know, except maybe Tom Jackson.
The truth is that there are a great many Broncos from the Super Bowl years, that made me jump out of my chair!
Thanks for the feeds.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jun 23, 2009 4:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Broncos TV Sucks
What’s with that tiny media player?
I can watch Numa Numa in full screen, why do I have to watch the Broncos in a tiny little box?
by Velveeta on Jun 23, 2009 5:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000000000000
They can do it. They have the technology. They’re choosing not to for some reason. LAME.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 23, 2009 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved the Red Rocks bit
Haven’t been there since Beck’s Sea Change tour…
When he was joking about calling the paramedics, Mr. Barrett showed a few shades of Shannon’s NE Patriots rant there! I like that guy!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 23, 2009 8:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Red Rocks is an awesome place to watch a concert.
by bfree2bronc on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would so love to see a concert there.
I saw Red Rocks when I was up there for a game a few years ago and boy are those steps steep. Just for fun I ran up the steps and that is some workout. Not to mention having someone hold your feet, as someone said, and using your upperbody.
I bet the sound is awesome bouncing of the rocks. For anyone in Denver, do they play concerts there often?
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Jun 23, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It is probably the most awesome music venue in the world. The Beatles played there on their first american tour. Absolutely stunning!
by Endzone on Jun 23, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And can't forget the legendary U2 Sunday Bloody Sunday video
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Jun 23, 2009 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I had the chance to read Jay’s interview and I must say that it was enjoyable. It was good to hear the positive talk about BMarsh and I am glad that they are talking again- you can’t keep two close firends apart for long! When I read the part about Marshall, I got the sense that he was talking about what it’s like to deal with NFL management as a whole and it must be very difficult to say the least. He also said that he would do some things differently- I liked that part because he reflected on what he did and discovered his mistakes, all part of the maturing process. Now, he wants BMarsh and I don’t have a problem with that… BMarsh wants him too (birds of a feather flock together). The bears may not have a #1 pick, but they do have things to offer so a deal could still be struck. If they’re willing to play the game, they can get the chips ready. I don’t rule it out because I don’t believe in “never say never” because the strangest things have happened just when we thought it would never happen. He shouldn’t have any regrets about landing in Chicago considering where he could’ve gone so he did “luck up.”
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if they’re together in a little while. The world is a very unique place.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 23, 2009 10:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe that Mr. Bowlen is going broke. Someone said the same “crazy thing” about Jerry Jones and he “paid up nicely” on the new stadium. They really need to stop running these type of articles because they are just speculating.
Needagoodtime!
by Loveforjoy! on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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