MHR University - Ted Block part 2, Specific Tactics (by hoosierteacher and tedbartlett905)
(Many, many thanks to Ted Bartlett for putting in the time to put together the diagrams to illustrate an example Ted Block play. He was able to knock out the diagrams in less than a day! My attempts at diagrams take much longer and don't look nearly as good. Please join me in appreciating his hard work).
In the last MHR University, we took a broad look at the Ted Block scheme. The concept (used in San Francisco under new Broncos DC Mike Nolan) is very likely going to be seen in Denver's 3-4 this year. The scheme calls for the LILB to block the way to the QB for the ROLB.
Andra Davis may be the right guy (not very fast, but very physical) to line up at LILB. Spencer Larsen, who has played at LB but has also played run-blocking duties as a FB is another terrific candidate to clear the way to the QB.
Join Ted and I, as we take a closer look at the Ted Block, including a look at how the different D-Linemen and LBs affect the scheme in a hypothetical play.
As with all play designs in the 3-4, everything starts with the NT.
First, picture the NT lined up head-on with the offensive center. We call this alignment "zero technique". As the play starts, the NT will drive towards the center, then lock up. We'll say the play calls for the NT to rotate into the gap between the center and the left guard. He now tries to move around the center in a semi-circle to the left, but will keep facing him. We now have the OC engaged, and the NT moving into the gap between the center and the left guard.

If the NT is big enough to demand a double team (and remember, in a 3-4 we demand excellence from the NT), the RG should now be concerned, as well as any RBs kept behind to block for the QB.
We (the defense) don't really expect our very large NT to get to the QB. We only want him to be a threat to the QB; enough to pull a double coverage of pass blockers. If he can get through, fine. But it isn't our goal. We want him to tie up two players. In our case, we want him to keep the center away from the blitz lane we are setting up between the OC and the RG.
So now we should have the center facing to the left trying to block out the NT. At worst, if the center is very good and keeping himself squared to the line of scrimmage, the NT is moving to the center's left and drawing in the LG. Either way, a gap is being widened to the right of the center's position.
How do we handle the other threat to our gap; the right guard? Enter the left defensive end. We lined him up at 3 technique (on the right guard's right shoulder), and assigned him to shoot the gap to the right guard's right side. Unlike our "2 gap" NT (who is trying to occupy offensive linemen), our DE is actually trying to get to the QB. Instead of taking the direct route though, he is trying to go between the right guard and the right tackle. His odds aren't great, but he (like the NT) is drawing coverage away from our real lane.

The LOLB gets into the act too. He'll play 5 technique (right tackle's right shoulder). He'll shoot the gap wide around the right tackle, helping to pull even more support from the widening gap between the center and right guard.
If our guys mentioned so far are playing their roles with good, sound techniques, then there should now be a wide gap between the right guard and the center. As a bonus, if our NT is superb, the offensive center has been rotated to face away from the gap. Rather than take the glory of getting a sack or pressuring the QB, we want our NT to be patient and to be a team player. By staying in his assigned role, someone else will get the glory, but the play will work because of him.
Now comes the LILB, the "Ted blocker". Offensive linemen are used to doing two things. Driving into defensive linemen (the aggressive "run block"), or just pushing off defensive players who are trying to get around them (not through them ("pass block"). They are not used to being targets themselves. That's what makes the Ted block a punishing surprise.

If the offense plays two TEs, there is little (or no) RB support to protect the QB. If the center has been rotated, the LILB comes flying at the right side of the center's body, and drives into him. With the center out of the way, you now have the DT, the Ted blocker LILB, and the ROLB all driving on the QB. If the center isn't rotated, he is at least already moving laterally to his left with the DT. The Ted can now drive on any RBs in the way (who are only expecting to block the Ted, not to be hit by him). The entire time, regardless of which scenario pops up, our LILB has been shooting the gap towards the QB unconcerned about anyone in the way.
If there is only one TE, the Ted blocker will drive against the RB assigned to pass block (if there is one). The more guys the offense has held back to pass block, the less passing options they have (which makes things easier for the DBs). But we'll more likely save this play for when our opponents present with two TEs.
To buy time for our blitz to work, we'll assign our CBs to "bump and run", preventing quick passes and making longer routes take that much longer. Our strong safety will take the strong side TE if that TE goes into a route instead of blocking. Our ROLB will cover the weakside TE if needed, starting his assignment in zone.
Our safeties play deep zone, ready for anything. If the right TE goes into a route, our SS covers him. The nice thing about that variation is that, without a TE in blocking, our "distraction" pass rush from the left DE and the LOLB now become as much of a threat as our interior blitz.

What if the play is a run? No problem. We've tied up the gap between the OC and RG (the most common run lane in football), we have a ROLB zoning the weakside who can plug a gap if the play shows run, and the strong side is being tied up by the LOLB and the left DE.
Another factor that makes this play effective is that the 3-4 more often blitzes from the outside, not the inside. The combination of two unexpected issues (an inside blitz, doubled with a linebacker who is going to punish a pass blocker instead of evading him) is potent.
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I recently received an e-mail asking if MHR-U could be translated into Mandarin Chinese for fans in Taiwan who are learning about American Football. The process is underway with a translator, and all of us at MHR wish our friends in Taiwan the very best. I would like to thank all of the members of MHR who take part in discussing the articles in the comments section. Your comments and questions are what really makes the articles educational and fun. Thanks to you, the reader, for making MHR such a great place and giving the stories a life of their own. Our international family keeps growing and growing!
HT
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Superlative
I’m so appreciative of you!
One question: Doesn’t this open a running lane between LG and LT?
by Endzone on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This Time
Tied up at least in this diagram with the TE on the weakside?
by Endzone on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right.
As with any defensive play, there will always be holes. For this reason, defensive coordinators play the odds.
For example, we are running a blitz play. When we blitz, we are sending in one or more guys that would normaly be covering a player or a zone. So to help our odds on the defense, we don’t call a blitz if the offense is probably going to run the ball. (running the ball is the best way to defeat a blitz).
Another “odds” way of cutting the chances for the defense is running the Ted the way we did. Most run plays are up the gut on the strong side. So note in our play how we try to plug up the strong side.
You are correct (and good job!) for seeing the weakness at the weak B gap. If the play isn’t overused, the offense shouldn’t know in advance the play we will run, and shouldn’t be lucky enough to exploit it. Another possibility is that the offense has one TE, which makes the play easier for us (because the ROLB will zone that weak side). So it is likely we won’t run the play unless 1) it is a passing down, and 2) we will hesitate a little more if the other team sends in two TEs.
Very good job Endzone!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned below
assuming our CBs are well-matched, we can assign our FS run support as well as zone coverage. Given our current personnel, I feel very good about that option.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 25, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The FS is the back-up...
…as you correctly point out. Depending on what the strong side TE does, the SS is another possible protection. Good call my friend!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE?
Then why have the RE shoot the C gap instead of the B gap since you have the ROLB to contain? Sorry if the question is obvious and I am the only one not getting it.
If you think I hate you, you may have a point.
by xBxTxDx on Jun 25, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know nearly as much as HT, but...
Perhaps because of the skill set of the RE? Outside pass rush vs. inside pass rush is quite a different story.
Perhaps also/either because of the work of the NT? If the goal is to widen the RG-C gap, that means the C and LG should be shifting as far to their left as possible (ideally). If the RE shoots the C gap, he provides a wall of bodies which puts a limit to how effective the NT can be.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your question is very appropriate.
The NT (the most important part of any 3-4) is charged with keeping the OC and the LG out of the play. (The NT will often be asked to demand double teams in many plays). If the R-DE finds himself in the B gap, the LT is just that much more closer to the blitz. The ROLB is zoning to stop any runs or passes to the weakside (this, and blitzes, are the two most common roles for the ROLB), but in a two TE set he may have to cover the weak side TE.
The open, weak B gap is one of the weaknesses of the play (all plays run a weakness). But keep in mind, the play is meant for what should be a passing down. Also, since most runs go to strong side, the weakness is also mitigated a little.
Because a lane to the QB is everything in a blitz, we want our line doing everything they can to take away pass blockers from that lane. If the play falls apart, and pressure isn’t quick enough, the LT will be part of the protection backed against the pocket after several seconds. It now becomes even more crucial that he is away from the side of the pocket where most of our blitz is coming from while the QB is readying his throw.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent
I really appreciate the x’s & o’s articles; helps me appreciate the game more & understand why things sometimes go wrong.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words BShrout!
I’ve been enjoying your posts too. Keep up the great work!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taiwan?
Wow, I’m amazed at the reach of this site. Thanks for the great info HT and Ted, I always look forward to my classes at MHR U.
by bowma101 on Jun 25, 2009 12:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I know we have members from around the world...
…and I love to hear from so many of English speaking friends from Denmark to Great Britain to Australia and even Japan. To me, the big honor from this e-mail was that someone actualy wanted to translate the articles into another language. I know all of the staff members are grateful for our American members, but I know we also get charged up when we hear from our friends around the world.
I personaly am grateful for each and every member who has a moment to post a comment or drop me an e-mail, and I’m also galddened that the e-mail traffic is still managable enough for me to respond to it.
Thanks Bowma101, and to everyone else for making MHR the best site going!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post HT. Very simple and informative. Thanks mate!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're very welcome!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Both for your efforts
This will be something to watch for this season. I likey.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
by KaptainKirk on Jun 25, 2009 12:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet money that you will see it run.
(If I had any, that is).
I would call it a certainty that this play will get run.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow how awesome
to hear people in Taiwan are learning about the game too… your articles have already helped me so much, and it’s so much fun to read about these kind of schemes. Makes me even more excited for the season.
Thanks to Ted for the awesome diagrams! Makes it so much easier!
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
by BroncosNL on Jun 25, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited for the season too!
I think the defense will be in very, very good hands with Nolan. I also think the new guys will do a great job. There will be a learning curve, and there are many new faces (and guys playing positions they are new at). We also have a tough schedule. I’m really excitied to just watch our team improve as a group, regardless of how our record ends up. I think we will make a big jump going into ’10.
And yes, Ted rocks!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan's return
There were Bronco fans pulling for Nolan as our next HC after Reeves (?) or Phillips left. Not many people will recall this, and younger fans wouldn’t be aware.
Nolan was considered a very hot property early in his career.
Those were the days when high quality defensive coaches were taken for granted. We were spoiled by Joe Collier, etc.
Finding some offensive weapons to help Elway was our primary concern. We were concerned with finding the right formula on offense, which usually entailed taking some of the burden off of him. Elway himself needed to improve, too, which many people won’t remember. His tendency to force the ball into coverage and risk turnovers — especially in the RZ — were the areas where he needed to improve.
BTW — I believe the lament was “he didn’t have enough help.” The recent “the QB makes the WR” contention should be examined in light this.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jun 25, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff all.
But your last “BTW” paragraph stands out as a very, VERY good point.
Watching Orton with our current receivers and OL will (perhaps) be instructive on this point, as will watching Cutler in Chi.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With respect to all the other terrific posters we have here, HT’s articles are always my favorite. I love learning the x’s and o’s broken down in such an easy-to-understand way. Great job!
Now get back to work HT, and not on your real job, on another post! :) Oh, and how cool is that there are readers in Taiwan! Who did you find to translate it?
by aLuffabo on Jun 25, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks aLuffabo!
I appreciate the kind words. What I love about MHR is that there are so many talented writers, and the conversations in the comments sections are like talking to family (unlike the hate filled message boards on many sites).
I received an e-mail from a guy in Taiwan (which I shared with the staff), and the author of the e-mail was given the go ahead. He didn’t post a name (as in a proper noun). I addressed him by his mailing addr. I’m not even sure if he’s a registered member of MHR. I’m grateful he (she?) found the site, and grateful that this person wants to share a little about American Football with an audience that may not know a lot about the game.
At MHR, we want to help promote the Broncos. Promoting the game of football is a solid goal too. Each of the members of MHR does both of these things with their posts and comments. Each of our members are the reason why MHR continues to grow and to attract new people.
So while I’m proud that someone out there wants to translate the articles, I’m grateful that folks like you (who post and comment) make MHR such a great place so that folks from around the world want to come here and read and visit.
So, thank YOU aLuffbo!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff.
Thanks HT. I have followed your previous writings on the Ted Blocking Scheme, but this really helped me to understand it. I had the rough idea, but the diagrams combined with your commentary make it’s power very clear. It will be fun to watch the Broncos break it out from time to time and wreak havoc this season! : )
by NedBronco on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ned!
And you’re right; without Ted’s great diagrams, it would be a lot rougher to understand.
A quick note:
I sent out a HELP e-mail to the other staff looking for artistic help with doing the diagrams for the article. Ted had these knocked out the same day. I’m terrible with diagrams (if you’ve seen my previous work, you know this), so Ted deserves all the praise you guys are giving him. He’s quite an Xs and Os guy, but he’s sharp with a pc and artistic too. Ted’s quite a guy, and MHR is very fortunate to have him with us.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
great article
Thanks for the article and the illustrations really made it clear.
‘Ni hao’ to all the folks in Taiwan!
by ddtraveller on Jun 25, 2009 12:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks ddtraveller!
Thanks for your comment!
Is that “hello”?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome
I hope we do run this, it looks like it would work
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is a certainty.
Count on it.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow HT,
what would we do without you?
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
by stedtfeld on Jun 26, 2009 1:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
Without hoosierteacher, I would advise the following:
1 – Back the Denver Broncos,
2 – Support MHR,
3 – Keep on “keeping on”.
Like the Broncos, MHR is a team effort. The real question should be, “Where would MHR be without stedtfeld?” Ask yourself that every now and then, and stick with us.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make sure I do that
Thanks HT
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
by stedtfeld on Jun 26, 2009 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Again!
Great article, the work and time you put in is greatly appreciated. Can’t wait for camps so that we can start to figure out who will be running this stuff for us come season.
by JALefor on Jun 25, 2009 1:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait too!
Williams is already going to be RILB (something I had written I was hoping for). Davis fits the blocking role (LILB) given his toughness, and Larsen (who plays FB and LB) already has demonstrated solid run blocking skills. Either of those two would be great candidates to play LILB (Ted).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the offensive counter to this defense?
Just wondering where the weakness is.
Thanks for further clarification on the topic, HT. rec’d
by CoastalBronco on Jun 25, 2009 1:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would run
play-action boot to the weakside, or a TE screen to the weakside.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 25, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWG mentions a couple of solid plays.
There are others too.
But I would point out something else. The offense really doesn’t counter the defense (it is the other way around). If the defense has “tells” (player rotations or player physical habits that give away a play) a defensive play can be exploited. But in almost every sense of the game, the offense is calling plays without knowing the defensive play they would be countering. The burden on the offense is to run a play, and to execute it well. The burden on the defense is to counter as many contingencies as possible, but to vary how this is done so they aren’t predictable. The “winner” of each play (though) is likely to be the team that executed their play better than the other.
Sometimes a play is called by one side or the other that just happens (by total chance) to be a terrible match-up. In such a case, the offense or defense suffers terribly. Sometimes (rarer still), one side or the other reads the opponent so well on a play that the right play is called purposefuly. But just about all of the time, it is the execution by the players that determines the outcome, and we as coaches had only slight influence on the success of any given play.
I believe the biggest factor a coach has is in practice, NOT playcalling. Once the game starts, the players really determine the outcome. It’s kind of an odd thing (in my book). If the team wins, the players are responsible. If they lose, the coach probably isn’t conducting good practices. At least this is my view from the HS level. A good coach praises the kids when things go well, and accepts responsibility when things fall apart. I imagine at the pro level that we are talking about “men” as players, so more responsibility is shared all around. But I still think a good leader passes the win to his team, but accepts any loss as his own burden.
Went off on a tangent there, but there it is.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Options
This also gives the options of safety blitzing between the the LG and LT as well as shifting to force the OL to use different technique than what they planned for in the huddle. Excellent explanation! Rec’d
by Ponderosa on Jun 25, 2009 1:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I might not try the safety blitz.
The danger in any blitz is leaving holes. Pass rushers are supposed to go after the QB, but blitzers are additional folks that would normaly be in man or zone coverage.
A blitz can be exposed by a run play, and in a pass play there may be an uncovered player if the QB isn’t rushed quickly enough to err. Yes, the LG/LT gap is exposed. But too many blitzers leave too many holes. For example, if we blitz the FS, there isn’t anyone to cover the mid-field (or even deep zones). Remember, our SS is likely covering the strong side TE.
In defense, too much of a good thing increases the risk (and perhaps, TOO much).
But I very much like your point on the OL. Most folks just focus on the LBs or CBs in a play. As you correctly point out, it is really the defensive line that makes this play work, NOT the celebrated Ted blocker or even the blitzing RILB. That’s a wonderful observation, and the real wisdom of evaluating or creating plays. I’m a D-Backs homer myself (especialy safeties), but even I recognize that the trenches are where plays really happen. Good call!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
Obviously the safety blitz would be a rare event just for the surprise factor.
by Ponderosa on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A blitzing safety...
…is called “a monster” in coach speak. It is a big surprise when launched. Dawkins (BTW) is one of the best blitzing safeties ever.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice piece. Thank you HT!!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jun 25, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You are very welcome my friend!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsen
HT, you noted that A. Davis might be a very good player for this approach since he’s not that fast but very physical. I was thinking – Larsen is being trained in improving his blocking technique as part of being prepared for some fullback work. Wouldn’t that extra work on blocking help him is setting us this play?
BTW – Nunnely’s video on 3-4 stunts covers several similar plays, and this breakdown really helped me to understand and appreciate that work on a deeper level, so thank you, Rec’d and Buzzed!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi Bear!
No salmon for the Bear today! lol
I mentioned Larsen as being one of two players (Davis being the other one) that would be perfect for this position. Note the second or third paragraph in the introductory section. But even if you missed it, you still get a picnic basket. You recognized (as did I) that Larsen is perfect, having been a run blocker at FB. So you’re still good my friend!
Do I see a blushing Bear?
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Often, but under the fur, no one can tell!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 25, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one can tell because of the fur...
…or because they’re too scared to get close?
I took my daughter to the zoo in Indy, where we saw a polar bear that swims right up to a “glass” wall inches from the visitors. Massive creature! My daughter (first grade) kept tugging at my hand. Whispering (as if the bear could hear us), she told me that if the bear ate us, Mom would be very mad at me. When I tried to explain that the bear was “cute” and “friendly”, she asked me if that’s what I would think if the bear came through the “glass”. So we left for another exhibit.
Later, running into my wife, my daughter proudly told her that I was scared of the bear and she “let” me go see the dolphins instead.
Sheesh!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
You Guys Just Keep Me Comin BACK!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jun 25, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And guys like you keep us wanting to write!
Kind words like yours are the reason so many of us put in the time. I guess the main stream media types have to get paid, since they don’t get the love that we do.
Thanks Metal!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Groovery HT and Ted
Thanks for the great articles. The University series is definitely my favorite on the blog. :) Rec’d
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jun 25, 2009 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sadaraine.
BTW, where did you get that sig? I love it!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I cut it from one of my posts after Hillis started his first game for us last year. :)
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I like about this:
Sorry for the above.
Someone mentioned a running lane between the LG and LT. So, our SS steps up into run support (leaves the CBs in one-on-one, but with our ballhawk CBs and the best in the game in Champ, that’s not really that big of a problem). That means that we have Renaldo Hill punishing guys while playing to his strengths (i.e., physical player without top end speed). A fantastic scenario would have Dawkins rotating over to FS (perhaps for the season, maybe just for this package) and dropping the guy behind the line.
Our current projected backups at FS (Josh Barrett, Darcel McBath) are better at pass protection, so if it comes to a play-action, they are set up for success there. So many great options, I just don’t know what to do with myself! I think I’ll just permanently affix my smug, knowing smile and wait for 13-3.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 25, 2009 2:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One problem we would have...
I agree with the earlier commenter about the weakness at LG/LT. The problem is, the SS is not available (he should be cover the strongside TE), so we only really have the FS to cover the two CBs and the potential run. As with ny blitz play, risks go up (but so do the rewards). If the TE stas in to block, the sucess rate goes up because the SS can now drop into zone.
I’m not sure where Dawkins will end up. Moving to SS makes a lot of sense, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him stay at FS. But let’s not rotate anyone for this play package. It would be a “tell” to the offense, and they would adjust accordingly.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I meant “our FS steps in for run support”. Sorry.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Jun 25, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that case...
good call.
The ROLB should be in zone. (He might be playing man against a second TE, but I would prefer he zones the weakside). So the ROLB is the first potential run stopper. The FS is next. If that FS were Dawkins, the run might not even get to scrimmage.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, HT
This is food for the starving in lieu of games to watch.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jun 25, 2009 2:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It may be food...
…it may even be GOOD food. But between you and me, I’m still aching for camp to get underway (as well as the games).
Thank you so much Harv. You rock!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Article HT
What I find exciting is not the the Ted Block Scheme itself, although that is exciting, so much as the creativity the coaching staff displays on both sides of the ball. Both offensively and defensively they adjust their schemes to play to the strengths of the players. Hence a strong but slow backer like Davis, who would be considered a liability in some systems, becomes an asset. Tweeners like Doom, Moss, Ayers, who don’t fit well in some systems are actively sought and the system is adjusted to play to their strengths.
I feel like 2007 and 2008 were years of trying to force fit players into defensive systems they were not suited for. Now it looks like we may be adapting our systems to the skills of the players we have while still seeking players to fit the system in the future.
Great post and rec’d
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 25, 2009 6:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the Ameoba in a nut shell.
More of a philosophy than a system (we will have a categorical system on both sides of the ball), we will be very adaptive and flexible. Win or lose, it has been very effective for other teams (both NC and NE run the Ameoba concept).
I like the trend a lot.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok guys help me out
OK the D is planning a TED block. The O is in a 2 TE set. But Peyton starts changing things up. The Left TE goes in motion over to the Right HB position.
Does the TED block still continue as planned hoping the Right TE runs a route and is picked up by the safety and his spot is filled with the TE in the HB position? Or does the assignment for the ROLB change?
by Kdo09 on Jun 25, 2009 6:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question Kdo09
When the L-TE goes in motion (to the strong side), the ROLB should zone the weakside. Zoning the weakside is the default role of the ROLB, and manning the L-TE (if there is one) is the coach’s choice. I don’t know which Nolan prefers (he might even do both), but I would rather the ROLB play zone, whether the L-TE is present or not.
In the article, I have the TE starting in zone, and only taking the TE if the TE goes into a route. If the TE stays in to block, the ROLB keeps his zone. If the TE motions, the ROLB should stay in zone because no route is shown.
All else stays the same. If the play is a pass, all is well (we are in a pass defense). If the pay is a strong side run, we have plenty of resources (all in the article about stopping the run stays the same). If the play is a weak side run, the offense just lost a blocker (that TE), and the ROLB is now dedicated to a zone on the weakside anyway.
As with all changes in a formation, there is good and bad. The worst potential for us (as the defense) is that the TE will be blocking at the new position, right where the blitz lane is. If it happened just once in a game, I wouldn’t call the Ted block again (in that game) and would ask the offensive coordinator if there are any “tells” we are signaling to the offenses. He would also let me know if we have been overusing the play.
Very good stuff Kdo!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Teach
Is that……..happenstance? I mean would it simply be luck that QB motioned the TE or would there be a tell? If you haven’t noticed, I’m really interested in the TE this year. Between the 3 TE sets and understanding motions, Im in a bit over my head, but learning.
by Kdo09 on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There could be several reasons for the motion.
Teams send a man in motion for several reasons.
1 – There is always a chance of confusion on the defense’s part when the offensive formation changes,
2 – A motion can be used to probe the defense to set them up later. By seeing how the defense responds, the offense can sometimes tell who is in man, zone, contain, etc,
3 – The offense may just be adapting to what they saw from the defense, like moving a run blocker to the side where it might be safer to run,
4 – They may be trying to pull defenders to the “off” side of the play.
You’re learning a lot. You have great questions.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 4:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is excellent HT and Ted! Rec'd.
The x’s and o’s are fun. It slows down an otherwise fast game so that I can recognize what the intent of the players are. I used to tape Bronco games so that I could watch line play (both O & D) and the linebackers work.
I hope that we stay mostly with the 3-4 with some variations of it. Switching from scheme to scheme makes it difficult for defenders to remember their assignments and being out of position – something we saw a lot of last year.
by Blackknigh on Jun 25, 2009 6:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the new regime is going to pull the stuff...
…we saw last year. Nolan and McDaniels are both sharp guys, and both have something to prove (Nolan, a former HC; McDaniels in his first HC job).
Last year’s DC made little sense to me. I’m sure the guy knows much more about the game than I ever will, but I can often respect the gameplans, even if they are part of a losing effort. (For instance, I understood the Bates defense even though we were atrocious in ’07). But last year was just beyond anything explainable in terms of system.
More and more, we’re gettng pieces of what is to come. I don’t know if it will work or not, but I respect the plan.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 25, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem with Bates' system
Was his assumption that bigger was better. Adams and Burton(?) were not necessarily the best DT’s we had on the team, yet they were the largest so they started. Adams’ abilities had dropped off and Burton never had any. Without them being able to demand double teams, Bates’ system fails to allow for the funneling effect of the runner to the MLB. Also take into account that DJ was just learning the MLB position and was not that good at it in the beginning (Webster and Gold were not any help either).
In other words, it was doomed from the get go due to trying to mold players to a system instead of molding the system to the players and a very gaping hole in leadership from the MLB spot.
If you think I hate you, you may have a point.
by xBxTxDx on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The DTs were just awful. One mistake I had made was being excited at the prospect of getting Adams, and I turned out to be very wrong. (I had mixed feelings on Rice at DE. I thought he was a jerk, but a good player. I got burned there too. He played at the level of his character, which was in the basement. It seems that whenever I stray from an insistence on character, I get burned. See Travis Henry…)
But I can give Williams some credit. I think he ended the year near the top of the League in tackles, and was one of the only bright lights that year.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 27, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ is a stoic in the truest sense of the word.
Someone who takes on innumerable sufferings because he can handle it…
One of my favorite Broncos, and I hope someday he is a part of a special defense here in Denver. He deserves it.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited for D.J.
I think D.J. is more a natural for RILB than even (4-3) ROLB or MLB. I think D.J. has found a home, and will stay there and be special.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 28, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're very welcome!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT and Ted for those awesome diagrams
I enjoy these class sessions so much. I have probably said it before, but this is one of the reasons why MHR is such a great site. All of us here learn so much and if it weren’t for all the MHR-U classes in the past those diagrams would have had me lost.
No questions this time teach, as other member took care of that and you explained it very clearly.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Jun 26, 2009 1:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Weazel,
I’m glad the previous stories have built such a good foundation.
All the best to you
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love that you're doing this but ...
(and i say this with all due respect, because i love that people are willing to teach) this is basically a nearly all-out blitz, with some tactical weighting of attackers to create and overload gaps. what does this have to do with the ted block scheme? so you’re sending the ted in this case as the lead into the gap — i’ve seen teams (esp ravens) send any combination of two defenders into a gap. you can do that out of any formation with any combination of players, targeting any part of the OL.
wouldn’t a better illustration of the ted block scheme be showing us how, on a vanilla play, davis and djw would defend/attack differently? is the ted block relevant only on a double blitz of both ILBs? i assume not. so how does it work when defending the run? because i can’t fathom how you employ a ted when the run goes to djw’s side.
thanks for your thoughts.
by ssc on Jun 26, 2009 7:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
my guess
is HT will say that is the hole and the risk. No Def is perfect or else it would be run every single down. If the Off calls a run to the Def ‘hole’ good for them, they win. But this blitz is most effective in obvious passing downs and with two TE’s. I think, the vanilla play would be 1 and 10 or 3 and 3 and then this Def blitz would not fit the package and not be called. Just like if the Off audibles, so does the Def if they don’t like how the O lines up, I assume DJ would be the guy to call off or change the Def based off the Off formation. I’ve read alot about how Payton Manning and Rey Lewis love matching up because they have their own personal chess match between the breaking huddles and the snap of the ball.
So this blitz isn’t design to attack the run, its not a ‘run blitz’ which would fill all gaps but a ‘pass blitz’ in which you overload one side so you have more blitzers then the Off has blockers.
Of course why do teams run draws on 3 and 8? To catch the Def in a pass blitz and hope they run to the hole. Also because the interception on an obvious passing down is taken out of the equation.
How’d I do HT?
Bronco Learning Curve
"I don’t want to lose any time... I don’t want the team thinking I’m a money-first guy. I’m here to play football and to win. Money is secondary." Robert Ayers
"I’m still around .... I might just do it for my own well-being. I don’t get no bonuses for it, I’m just doing it because this is what I do." Doom
"He can throw a fastball, he can throw a touch ball, he throws an awesome deep ball" Brandon Lloyd on K.O.
by sbhchawk on Jun 26, 2009 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i'm not so much questioning the play itself
i mean i get that the play is interesting, but i don’t get how it illustrates the ted block scheme other than the ted happens to be the lead guy into the gap. for instance, you could run this exact play (or mirror imaged at the line if necessary) and have djw go first — is the fact that you sent davis first sufficient to call it a unique scheme deserving of a separate name?
by ssc on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
you won’t ever want DJW to be the lead because thats not using your players skills suitablity to the play design. DJW best asset is his speed. Davis or Larson’s greatest asset is their strenght at the point of attack. You’d want the stronger (and typically slower) player to take on the center chip block or RB and the speed guy (Harrison with Steelers or DJW with Bronco’s) to then use their speed to make the longer run and react to the QB’s attempts to step up to evade the blitz or his outside the pocket scamble. I think the TED is designation of the more stout Inside LB’s blitzing to block (or clear the path if you’d prefer) with the speed guys following his blocker to the prize (a sack or hurry). The lead guy is like the NT, he’s to occupy blockers and not get the sack and thats the design of the play.
Another way to phrase this, the LILB (who typically plays on the Offensive’s strong side which usually has the TE on the OFF’s right side or the Def Left side so you couldn’t really mirror this to the weak side as again your not playing to your players strengths) is acting like a FB (Larson or Hillis)and clearing the path for the HalfBack (DJW in this example playing the annologies Moreno).
Bronco Learning Curve
"I don’t want to lose any time... I don’t want the team thinking I’m a money-first guy. I’m here to play football and to win. Money is secondary." Robert Ayers
"I’m still around .... I might just do it for my own well-being. I don’t get no bonuses for it, I’m just doing it because this is what I do." Doom
"He can throw a fastball, he can throw a touch ball, he throws an awesome deep ball" Brandon Lloyd on K.O.
by sbhchawk on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep missing my point
i’m not suggesting that this defense is perfect. i understand that offense and defensive playcalling is a chess match. i understand that the above play is a pass blitz. i’m not suggesting DJW play the ted. no offense, but i’m not really sure i understand your strawman arguments addressing points i’m not making.
again, my question is simple: how dow the above illuminate the ted block scheme. what is unique about the above that differentiates it from that exact play WITHOUT the ted being the lead blitzer into the gap? that’s the point of the article right? so i’d like to understand WHAT makes this an example of the ted block scheme.
by ssc on Jun 26, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point
A rose by any other name aint the same rose.
Now comes the LILB, the “Ted blocker”. Offensive linemen are used to doing two things. Driving into defensive linemen (the aggressive “run block”), or just pushing off defensive players who are trying to get around them (not through them (“pass block”). They are not used to being targets themselves. That’s what makes the Ted block a punishing surprise.
It’s the TED’s technique that makes this a “Ted Block” scheme. “TED (defined as the LILB) don’t just block or push off but go and kick his ass!” More Fullback mentality than a Defensive mindset. You could use any variety of blitzers behind him, such as using SS, but RILB is the best option.
I’m no expert, but that’s what I think.
by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
I think Larsen would be a great TED for this play. Visualize Larsen blowing up the offensive player(s) and DJ rushing the quarterback.
by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentioned him at the start of the article.
I agree; a FB/LB hybrid is perfect.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be with sbhchawk in having a hard time understanding what you are asking.
I’ll try to answer the question you’re asking, but forgive me if I’m missing a point.
What is unique about the Teb block is the roles filled by differening types of ILBs. Setting aside (for a moment) the Ameoba idea of players being interchangeable for a moment….
The LILB and RILB are two different positions that have two different roles. They are not mirror images. Because run plays often go to the strong side, the LILB is often a little slower, but considered more of a “brute force”. He’s the guy big enough to take on a power runner, or a beefy FB. More often than not, the LILB is a little faster. We don’t want to lose many of the qualities of the LILB, but speed and agility is more important at RILB. The Ted block is so-named because if we are going to run a blocking scheme blitz up the gut, the LILB (or Ted in some nomenclatures) are going to be that blocker.
Again, forgive me if I’m missing your question.
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I responded before I read your comment.
I think you got it right.
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ssc
Fair question, and no disrespect taken at all.
First, I wouldn’t call this an all out blitz. In a 3-4, each lineman will pass rush, and a fourth LB typicaly joins in. As with the 4-3, we have four men after the QB. But in the Ted we are only adding one man, the minimum number to qualify as blitz. (Some folks might call any pass rusher beyond the DL a “blitzer”, which is correct. But to to be labeled a blitz “play”, we typicaly define it as at least five players after the QB). The Ted block is a very minimal blitz.
The Ted block is not unique to the 49ers at all. However, just because multiple players enter a gap doesn’t make a play a blocking blitz. In most blitzes, the additional LBs in the gap are focused on the QB, with the DL trying to create gaps. In any blocking blitz, a player is assigned to block the path (much like a run block). This is important, because if the blocker loses his discipline and decides to make a play for the sack himself, the play can fall apart.
As to a better illustration, I appreciate the point that you’re making. But on most plays, one of the LBs (at a minimum) will be blitzing (even though this isn’t a blitz play). For a team to call a blitz play (a second LB), they are going to take some risks if the offense runs. This is why blitz plays are not called on what might be a running down. A Ted block is a good 3rd and long option (for example). If the defense expects run, and calls a blitz, they deserve to get run over.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, let me followup some more
(i’m replying to both comments here for convenience and to lessen my confusion) i’m understanding the basic premise of the ted as you described in your initial article (big guy, paves the way for the playmaker RILB), but i just don’t understand how this plays out in a “normal” play. the example here has the ted as the first of two guys crashing a gap on a QB blitz, but overloading a gap is a tactic that can be used with a variety of different guys. i’ve seen baltimore time it beautifully with a lead LB that opens the way for a trailing safety. isn’t this more a blitzing tactic as opposed to a entire “scheme” which i assume applies to more than one play? you explained helpfully that a blocking blitz is unique in that the 1st player is explicitly tasked with blowing up blockers and NOT going after the QB, but again, can’t this be any combination of players and is not so much a “scheme”?
what i would love to see is how the ted block scheme plays out when neither ILB is blitzing. how does that work? does that mean they have responsibility for the same gaps and the LILB essentially plays in front (ahead) of the RILB? that seems kinda weird.
also, i don’t understand why you qualify this as a minimal blitz. you have 3 (LOLB, LILB, RILB) out of the 4 linebackers attacking the backfield rather than being responsible for coverage. even if you exclude the ted as having a blocking role, you’ve still committed all but one LB to be on the offensive side of the LOS. isn’t that a more relevant measure of whether you’re blitzing?
by ssc on Jun 26, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may be talking past each other without realizing it.
I won’t give up yet. Let’s try breaking down the points in your questions. I’ll try to over simplify my answers, and then you can point out where I’m missing the context.
but i just don’t understand how this plays out in a "normal" play
Ted’s diagram might be a good start.
but overloading a gap is a tactic that can be used with a variety of different guys.
But there are many, many ways to “overload” a gap. In the example I wrote about, we use the LILB to run block a lane for the RILB. I’m not writing about “overloading” in general, just this one play.
isn’t this more a blitzing tactic as opposed to a entire "scheme" which i assume applies to more than one play?
Ted blocking is a scheme (in between a play and a system). A ted block play is not just a play (I’ve never heard of a play called a Ted block). On the other hand, the term IS used to refer to the idea (or scheme) that a team will use a more physical player at LILB, and a faster player at RILB, with the intention of running a lot of plays on pass down where the LILB will block for the other ILB. If doen for a safety, it isn’t the same thing. Nor is it the same thing if players just crash a gap (like the Ravens example). If used on occassion, it has a Ted block quality, but to be a scheme, it is being used more often. It isn’t a system though, because the plays run in that scheme are still a small subset of the overall defensive style.
I could correctly say that a team uses a “Ted”, or “Ted blocks”, or that a particular play was a “Ted block play”. But I wouldn’t assign the term “Ted block” to the play, because there are going to be several names for several variants.
can’t this be any combination of players and is not so much a "scheme"?
No. The Ted is chosen because he is uniquely qualified, and the RILB is the right type of player to follow him. Note that I’ve been writing for some time that I wanted to see D.J. moved to RILB from ROLB. I also defended the team bringing in Davis, even when many fans were critical of his speed. The reason for those views I held was because those moves reflected what Nolan did in SF. The scheme makes sense if you have the right people at the right positions. With Davis or Larsen in consideration for LILB, it is just that much clearer that our 3-4 is of the type ran in SF. In that light, it is no coincidence that D.J. DID get moved to RILB, and the team went for a more physical (but slower) type ILB from Cleveland.
You don’t just send anyone in to block. In most 3-4s, your big guy (the LILB) is going to be that lead blocker.
what i would love to see is how the ted block scheme plays out when neither ILB is blitzing. how does that work?
This statement is where I really realize that one of us is missing something (and I think sbschawk and endzone shared some of my confusion in the earlier comments). If neither ILB is blitzing, then the defense isn’t running a ted block at all at that time. They are using a different scheme in their program. Schemes will overlap during a game, but there is just no Ted block if the ILBs stay home.
I’m not being a smart aleck here. I’m trying to understand. To me, the statement you wrote sounds like “How does the bootleg scheme play out if the play is a pass?” Well, it doesn’t. A series of runs may set up the bootleg play, and so the runs and the eventual bootleg may be part of a scheme to set up the defense. But none of those run plays are called a bootleg.
also, i don’t understand why you qualify this as a minimal blitz
In any type of formation (3-4, 4-3, 46, etc), the typical number of guys going at the QB is 4. Whether one is a LB or not, the play itself isn’t really a blitz. In football circles, we call any player NOT a lineman that is going after the QB a “blitzer”. But for a play to be called a blitz, the conventional thinking is that a fourth or fifth player is involved.
Now keep in mind that an offense has five players that may be in a position to catch (or be handed) the ball. The five linemen and the QB or out of the picture (though technicaly, you could flea flicker to the QB, or he could keep the ball and go). So 11 minus 6 gives us 5. On the defense, we divide our players into rushers/blitzers, zones, and man assignments. (Again, technicaly there are other assignments, like “contain”, but go along with me for a moment).
In an all out blitz (6 or 7 players in rush), we are disregarding coverages for a high risk assault on the QB. Why 6 or 7? Look again at the Ted example I gave. Both primary receiving threats are in man coverage. The R-TE is manned by the SS if he goes into a route. The L-TE (if there even is one) is covered by the ROLB (who starts in zone). This leaves the two “least” receiving threats in to block for the QB. If one of them screens, we have a LOLB in the area strongside (he took the wide route strongside), and either the L-DE (swinging wide weakside) and/or the ROLB weakside zone. We aren’t really leaving anyone uncovered, and we STILL have a deep FS.
In my variation, we rushed the LOLB. If you don’t use that, the blitz is even more minimal.
Here’s an example of a six man rush (two blitzes) that still wouldn’t be called “all out”. (We could nit pick it; I’m just trying to use an oversimpified example). Let’s say we run a nickle formation (standard 4 DL and 2 LBs). Let’s set it up so that there is a large space between our two DTs. Then when the play snaps, we blitz both LBs up the middle. That’s six after the QB. But note that each eligible player on the offense is covered if we went man coverage (let’s say two RBs, three WRs vs 2 CBs an 2 SAFs).
As with any play, there are going to be holes. Blitzes add holes, trading “space” for “time”. But the Ted block only requires 2 LBs and 3 linemen (keeping 6 players to do other duties). Even adding the rush I assigned to the LOLB, we still have the 5 vs 5 minimum that sets apart a risky blitz play from an all out risky (but high reward potential) full blitz.
I got more wordy than I meant to at the start. If I’m still misunderstanding you, I hope you’ll forgive my inability to understand what you are really asking.
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please amend...
In any type of formation (3-4, 4-3, 46, etc), the typical number of guys going at the QB is 4. Whether one is a LB or not, the play itself isn’t really a blitz. In football circles, we call any player NOT a lineman that is going after the QB a "blitzer". But for a play to be called a blitz, the conventional thinking is that a fourth or fifth player is involved.
Should read “…..the conventional thinking is that a fifth or sixth player is involved” at the end of the paragraph.
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
This means I continued to miscount.
“In an all out blitz (6 or 7 players in rush), we are disregarding coverages for a high risk assault on the QB. Why 6 or 7?”
…would substitute “7 or 8”.
An all out blitz will usualy still feature about three players in case of a pass (typicaly 2 CBs and a safety, with a bare minimum one on zone).
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're right about why we're like two ships passing in the night ...
i (mistakenly) got the impression from your first article that the “ted block scheme” was kindof a major philosophy, if you will, on how to play the 3-4. like a school of thought on how you apply your 3-4 alignment and personnel. that’s why i kept asking how it applies to more than just pass rushes. but in fact it only applies to (certain) pass rushes. in re-reading the first article, i think i was expecting something more, like maybe the “phillips” or “fairbanks-bullough” defenses you mention? i think perhaps what you’re calling a “system” above?
on the blitz, i called it “nearly an all out blitz” because in the example, you are sending 6 of your front 7: both ILBs, and your LOLB, which seems pretty clearly to be going in to engage the RT (if he didn’t, the RT could engage the LDE and leave the RG free to rotate into the gap you’re trying to create). i’m surprised that sending 6 of 7 is not considered “nearly an all out blitz” — it appears you’re defining the commitment to the blitz by the receiver coverage, not by the number of defenders you send. so if the offense sends out one WR and the defense sends nine players after the QB but leaves a CB and safety to cover the WR, that’s considered a minimal blitz? that seems weird to me because you’re defining the blitz after the fact, after you find out how many receivers went out into routes, rather than how many defenders were dedicated to rush the QB. i’m not doubting this; i’m trying to learn.
thanks for taking the time.
by ssc on Jun 27, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overcomplicating
I think you’re losing the focus of the article. It is only the TED block technique. The edges of the defense can still do lots of things and the RILB is the best but not only option to rush the gap created by TED. The edges can blitz, block, cover, etc. The TED block is unique to the 3-4 only because it uses a LILB (the “TED”) POSITION that does not exist in a 4-3. The articles goes on to state the importance of widening the strongside A gap by certain techniques used by the LE and LOLB but they are more camouflage than our real intent of rushing the strongside A gap created by the TED block.
BTW, it does NOT just apply to pass rushes. It also works for the statistically most played running play to the strongside because the RILB will be there to tackle the RB.
There could be other blitzers. The TED block scheme is for an up the gut blitzer that follows the TED. There could be other schemes on the outside (such as the RE or ROLB or RCB) or even another up the gut blitzer. The article is only addressing the Ted block in the strongside A gap. Maybe using the word “scheme” has you overthinking it.
by Endzone on Jun 27, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bear the blame.
I think using the LOLB as a blitzer in the variation made things more complex than needed (I was trying to place an emphasis on how we can widen gaps). I probably should have treated the term “scheme” to an article as well.
For example: There are bootleg plays. There is also a scheme (that can include plays to set up the bootleg, like runs to the edges). There is no “bootleg system”. We have Ted block plays, and they can be run as part of a scheme over a series of play. But there is no system built around it.
If anything wasn’t clear to ssc, I accept the responsibility for not being clearer. The burden is on me is to present the material clearly. Even if one member doesn’t understand something, I feel I need to find ways to paraphrase so that the material is made clear (unless someone is just being a jerk. ssc is being sincere and cool, so I don’t have a problem with him inquiring further).
Perhaps your explanation was better than mine.
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 28, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I feel like the snotty know-it-all kid in the class who doesn’t really know anything. I was out of line teach and ssc!
by Endzone on Jun 28, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's weird
i’m the slow kid and everyone else is apologizing and accepting the blame? that’s not right. thanks again for the time and assistance to all.
by ssc on Jun 29, 2009 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Education
This is very good and quite interesting. Glad you took the time to put it together Ted and HT. And good luck with the translation of MHR for the Tiawan folks.
by bchiper on Jun 26, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Use of smaller DEs in the 3-4?
I have a question about using one smaller DE in the 3-4 front. Normal wisdom dictates that you play three guys all in the 300 lb or more range up front to run the 3-4. Clearly the NT needs to be big to hold up against the inside run as he will almost always face two blockers on runs to the inside, that leaves 3 offensive linemen to handle two defensive ends and however many linebackers they can.
My feeling is that you could run the 3-4 with a big DE on one side to hold up against the run with a smaller OLB, but I don’t see why you couldn’t run a 275-285 lb DE on the other side with a bigger OLB. Clearly if you have a DE who is quick and can provide some pass rush on his own, it will make it easier for the ipsilateral OLB to go around the corner and blitz wide as the OT would have to be aware of the DE cutting inside, but it would also make it easier for the contralateral OLB because the TE and RB coverage would often slide towards the quick DE.
by gyldenlove on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You can run smaller DEs.
You can run a smaller DE, and for the reasons you outline. The big keys are the following:
A) Do you want a 1 or 2 gap scheme?
B) Do you have the LBs for the adjustment?
C) Is the DE worth having to rely on having the right LBs?
All in all, teams will often go for big guys because they don’t want a LB “tied down” to “making up” for a smaller DE. In fairness to smaller DEs (in a 3-4 scheme), a coach can match his talent with a scheme that allows for a lighter DE. He’ll often be the R-DE, and pull the LT out by pass rushing wide while the ROLB plays zone. On blitzes, the ROLB will often shoot inside the LT if the DE is rushing wide most plays.
Can it be done? Absolutely; and teams do it too. But it still remains more common to see bigger DLmen in a 3-4.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLine
Was our DLine really that bad last year or was it the secondary?
by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It depends on your perspective.
A lot of folks that I respect come down on both sides of the argument. In my mind, I blame the coaching much more than the DL or the secondary. If I had to pick one, I might lean towards the line.
I think we were weak in both areas. The line didn’t seem to perform well, because pass rushes were non-existent even when we rushed four or more (our coaches seemed to want many 3 man rushes), and we seemed manhandled by OLs on runs. On the other hand, our safeties were misused badly (often playing one in the box) but still whiffed on some key tackles when put in the right position.
Our CB production wasn’t great, but I blame the DL and the safeties for that. (Champ was made to look average, and pro bowler Bly got ruined in Denver – unfairly in my opinion).
In short, we were bad everywhere. But given the choice of blaming the line or the secondary, I’ll pick “C”, the coaches.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 26, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for defending bly
overpaid, but he didn’t deserve half the scorn/abuse he received there.
slowik was a miserable judge of talent at the safety position. lowry couldn’t (wouldn’t) tackle, manuel shouldn’t have been manned up against WRs, barrett shouldn’t have been played 20 yds off the LOS. fox, ugh. i actually thought mccree was ok if undersized. anyway, huge upgrade this year, hopefully in both talent and proper usage.
by ssc on Jun 26, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want a degree from MHRU!
..i could go places with that
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by BroncoJoe311 on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We wish!
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by Steve Nichols on Jun 27, 2009 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it HT!
I’m just waiting for you to take it to the next level with video clips. :)
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 27, 2009 6:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Now there's a scary thought.
I’m still on dial-up (NO LAUGHING OUT THERE!). When I can afford to upgrade, watch out!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 28, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little late...
But this was another fantastic article. A small journal, book, or collection of these articles with some nice illustrations and pictures is something I would undoubtedly purchase.
It’s nigh-impossible to find football instruction this straightforward and clear.
by studbucket on Jun 28, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Several folks have e-maild me about this.
It is something I’ve been looking into.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 28, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
great as always HT
and thanks to Ted for the diagram help.
I agree, that Ithe LOLB also rushing (so this being a 6-man blitz) perhaps was causing some folks confusion.
by cjfarls on Jul 1, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HT,
As a Browns fan and an avid watcher of our 2007-2008 game film, I really think you are over-rating Andra Davis.
I did/do really hate Romeo’s 3-4, in which he seemingly coached everyone to be the opposite of “physical”—and that certainly doesn’t help my opinion of Davis, but Andra really hasn’t been any good for 3 or 4 years in my book.
He might be strong, but I haven’t seen the ability for him to get that 250lbs moving fast enough to move even a RB backward for a while. He was also consistently the second of our two ILBs to recognize where the play was going in 2007 and 2008.
I think any player should be able to execute the blitz assignment of the Ted as you outline it above (to the best of their ability, at least), but if you are looking for Andra to read a running play, get there before DJ, and blow up the fullback, it might be time to lower those expectations just a little.
Anyway, as a resident of Boulder (yes, a few of us do enjoy football) I will be watching quite a few Broncos games this year and wish you all luck. I love MHR University, btw.
by rufio on Jul 5, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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