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Horse Tracks 6/26/09 - Congrats to former Broncos LB Michael Brooks!!

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NFL - Rookies must step in immediately for these five teams
Vic Carucci counts Robert Ayers and Knowshon Moreno among the 5 rookies he expects to have the biggest impact in 2009.

CBS - Drew Brees On Fellow NFL QB Kyle Orton - Video
Orton's Purdue predecessor thinks he will find a better situation in Denver and under the tutelage of Josh McDaniels.

NFP - Five defenses facing critical seasons
Matt Bowen likes the talent and leadership the Broncos added on defense, and thinks their linebackers will be better than most expect. Naturally, his biggest question is how the line will do.

TP - Former LSU linebacker Michael Brooks used an injury as motivation to succeed
Another story about former Bronco Michael Brooks, who will be inducted to the Louisiana Sports HOF this weekend.

LSU - Tiger Football Great Brooks to Enter Louisiana Sports HOF
More on Brooks from his alma mater.

DP - Husted: "Walking With Dinosaurs" prompts prehistrionics
Another Bronco-inspired golden retriever has passed; Atwater, who worked at Children's Hospital passed away just weeks after his brother Elway (the drug-sniffing dog in SF).

AP - Suspect in Broncos player's death appears in court

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RH - Former area coaches to be inducted into hall of fame
Lionel Taylor's high school coach will be inducted to the National Single Wing Coaches Association Hall of Fame tomorrow.

NFL - These rookies have made a good first impression at offseason camps
Steve Wyche thinks the Broncos' divisional rivals all have impressive rookies.

SDUT - Chargers pull plug on talks with Chula Vista

DP - Coach's alleged shooter a changed person
The AP's look into the background of the alleged killer of Coach Ed Thomas.

NFL - Lions give center Raiola a four-year contract extension through 2013

NFL - Commissioner Goodell preparing to evaluate Vick's suspension from NFL

NFL - Steelers owner Rooney officially becomes U.S. ambassador to Ireland

NFL - Estefans' minority ownership of Dolphins is music to the team's ears

NFL - Deal that would keep Saints in New Orleans through 2025 nearly done

NFP - Diner moring news: Panthers' risky move
Lombardi thinks Carolina's 2009 season will depend largely upon Julius Peppers.

NYT - Lining Up a Win-Win for the Bengals and Benson - KC Joyner

FOX - Rookie revelations before training camp - Alex Marvez

NFLN - NFL Videos: 32 in 32: New York Jets

NFL - Plenty of pressure rests on Schottenheimer's reconstructed offense - Bucky Brooks

SI - Mario Williams outplays 2006 draftees Reggie Bush, Vince Young - John Lopez
Kubes and Casserly's choice is looking quite a bit better now than then.

NFL - Next year's top receiver prospects feature a variety of skills - Gil Brandt

NFP - 2009 Scouting Series: Texas - Wes Bunting

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Morning NYC

Thanks for the tracks.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jun 26, 2009 6:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC...

Ehats McDaniels doing? Our rookies SUCK….man I am over this team!…….I will take our rookies all day, every day……no mention of ANY Broncos rookies by Whyche and Marvez…..I had to laugh.
Thanks agin for tracks!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 26, 2009 6:57 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Morning all

Thanks NYC

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra

by KaptainKirk on Jun 26, 2009 7:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

While I always appreciate the Broncos news

I was actually MORE excited to read the brief bit about “Walking with Dinosaurs.” I might need to visit Denver for that!!!

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Jun 26, 2009 8:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't it be

“Running From Dinosaurs”?

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if the show goes horribly, horribly wrong...

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Jun 26, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, NYC

That Dolphins/Estefan article and the Rooney article have some . I completely agree that every aspect of American life should represent American population and diversity. However, diversity FOR THE SAKE OF DIVERSITY is discrimination in itself. I wish these reports would announce the names of these individuals as PEOPLE, not as members of certain races. Rooney rule? I wish it were common sense to interview the best prospects, regardless of race. Mandating a certain number of minorities puts qualification second to race, and that is wrong.

You know, we are in the midst of the off-season doldrums, so I thought I’d throw out something controversial (as if there hasn’t been enough excitement since December).

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 26, 2009 9:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Do you honestly believe there would be as many African-American coaches in the league were it not for the Rooney Rule? Keep in mind, the rule doesn’t require teams to hire them; just to interview them. That is a crucial distinction; we’re not talking about a quota, here.

Personally, I think there would be fewer today and in history had there never been a rule.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 26, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know. You may be right.

It doesn’t appear to hurt anything to force teams to interview minorities, except for the fact that it’s forced. I just wish we could get past the mindset of having to mandate an even playing field. I would hope everyone would look at qualifications over all else. The election of Obama seems to indicate that we don’t need to force a certain percentage of candidates to be minorities; he beat out the old white guy, after all. I suppose in some sectors it is still a problem, but I think forcing the consideration of minorities refocuses on the color of their skin, not their qualifications. In trying to abolish discrimination, the means for its irradication has become the tool for its proliferation.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would assume (and hope)

that the folks who come up with these solutions view them as temporary strategies. I would also be surprised if they didn’t. Yes, Obama’s election is a fine example. But you and I both know that many people voted against him because of the color of his skin.

I think it’s important to consider that African-Americans haven’t had all of their civil rights for that long of a time. They haven’t even been able to attend the same schools for very long.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are correct in the short term nature of the "Rule"

We are often tempted to view things purely from the philosophical, or “idealist” viewpoint, even though many things are designed with inherent limitations, and meant only to address a single aspect of a situation. It is the difference between philosophy, and philosophy of law. In executing a law (or a “rule” within a private or semi-private organization) certain limitations dealing with current technology, staffing of police forces (or oversight staffs), etc all contribute to a need to make a shortterm law based, hopefully, on solid philosphic principles, but perhaps in danger of becoming quickly outdated or uneeded.

Note that an objective philosophy of law is NOT the same thing as pragmatism, which is a purely philosophical viewpoint (with implications in all subsequent sciences, including philosoph of law). In many ways pragmatism is a deadly philosophy, and it is hoped it doesn’t get confused with valid ways of creating laws (or rules) that help people move forward.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

race based affirmative action (via Bakke) was supposed to provide a short-term fix, too --

Now, if you advocate against race-based affirmative action, it is “proof,” in the eyes of some, that you are a “racist.” O’Connor’s last ruling on the matter — she was the court’s swing vote — was done in the name of political expediency, and as such it weakened the rule of law. A desire for color-blind law is held up to suggest that the holder of that view is “racist.” Think about that.

Up is down. Black is white. Peaches is Herb.

Also, for every person who voted against Obama “because of the color of his skin,” many more voted for him for precisely that same reason. In fact, I’m willing to bet that in today’s America, the latter was far more prevalent as a selection criterion.

That having been said, I come here to escape these kinds of discussions, so I suppose if you all wish to talk about them here, I can just skip over them — and instead complain that because I use a Mac I wasn’t able to look at the Brees clip.

Maybe we need a Rooney Rule for Mac users.

by JeffG on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's odd...

Horse Tracks is written everyday on a Mac, and I saw that clip just fine…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jun 26, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...I had to run the Brees clip thru parralells on my Mac...

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 27, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even with the Rooney Rule, the ratio of African-American Coaches to Players is Low

Put aside political allegiances for a minute and think about it this way. 25% of Americans view the Republicans favorably, and 45% view the Democrats favorably — that’s a 20-point split. The part where an African-American Democrat won the popular vote by 5% (thus underperforming popular support for his party and positions by 15 points) indicates that racial problems are all behind us? There are a lot of ways to interpret that, but I have a tough time with the idea that it means we’re a postracial country.

Speaking as one of the many resident White guys around here, I don’t see the big deal about the Rooney rule. I mean, I like it, and can’t muster any anger. Before it existed we had very, very few African-American coaches. Denny Green’s hiring was actually a really big deal. Now we have more, but the number is still low compared to the number of African-American former players. Repealing rules that try to compensate for the world’s inequalities does not make those inequalities disappear.

by Chibronx on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes,and

Popular Vote = Common Sense (Sarcasm intended)

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra

by KaptainKirk on Jun 26, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The age of coaches is catching up to the

age of players. The civil rights movement occurred in the 60’s. The African-American players who played in the 60’s, and in the 70’s were still under the tradition of white coaches. Only the African American players from the 80’s and 90’s have become coaches. As time moves on, the tradition will change. The next generation will see a more heterogeneous pool of coaches because the coaches will have been players when such a thing was culturally acceptable. I suppose affirmative action is an attempt to move that process along, but the goal is universal acceptance and equality, not transferring discrimination from one group to another.

I will admit, my timelines are based on conjecture. I’d like to know where you got your percentages and statistics, and to remind you that statistics can be used to say almost anything. Consider the sample, and the conditions that affected the respondents.

Repealing rules that try to compensate for the world’s inequalities does not make those inequalities disappear.

Regarding your above quote, two wrongs don’t make a right.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 26, 2009 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also: One wrong doesn't make a right

The issue here isn’t perfection, it’s dealing with imperfection. The source for the #s is the lates Wall Street Journal/‘NBC poll. It’s a pretty clinical poll, and the WSJ isn’t exactly a left-wing outlet. Sure, Obama won, but to say that the fact of one African-American man winning the presidency (even now, when 1 senator is African-American, vs. 12-13% of the population) overrules a long-run history of racial discrimination…. I don’t buy it. More to the point, even oponents of the Rooney Rule can’t identify any real harm it does. Why throw it out?

Sure, there’s an historical evolution issue here. I guess my point is that these things are getting better and changing BECAUSE of the Rooney rule. Arguments for its repeal seem, oddly, to be based the admission that it’s worked. I still can’t get exercised about the idea of reverse-discrimination when the unemployment rate for White men like me is lower than it is for anyone else.

All of this is offered positively. We seem to disagree, but I’m not trying to pick a fight or blindly throw bombs.

by Chibronx on Jun 26, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying we are a post-racial country.

I’m saying we should be. A gray area exists when trying to compensate an entire race, simply because of their race, for inequities. The question that determines whether or not it’s a good idea is this: Does the compensation give any undue advantage to any give race going forward?

In the case of affirmative action, I would say there IS an unfair advantage. Employers are required or strongly encouraged or given incentives to hire a certain percentage of minorities. In this case, perfectly qualified white people may not get the job based on the very concept the affirmative action intends to irradicate, e.g., judgment based upon skin color.

In the case of the Rooney rule, requiring an INTERVIEW, not necessarily a quota, doesn’t hurt anyone, and it does level the playing field.

In the case of the Dolphins report, Gloria Estefan should be noted for becoming a minority stakeholder in the Dolphins organization. But the focus of the story should NOT be that she is Latina. That’s no different than calling attention to the fact that Pat Bowlen is white. Can you imagine the reaction if the DP wrote a piece on Pat Bowlen, White Owner of the Denver Broncos? It’s ludicrous to let race enter into this one way or the other, and those in the media who perpetuate the differences are contributing to further racism in this country.

Thanks for sharing your opinions. Maybe we don’t agree, but in discussion, maybe we have moved closer to an agreement on some level.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 28, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are many reasons

the unemployment rate for white men is lower than for other demographics. We can’t prescribe a remedy as a society until unequivocal causation has been confirmed. All these data show are correlations, not causation. So many aspects of our society claim to be “research-based,” but the implementation of most programs is not based on rigorous research.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 28, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and thanks for the intelligent discussion, everyone!

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Jun 26, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

if our d-line is our biggest concern...

…I’ll be happy going into the season.

To me, OLB play is the biggest question mark going into the season. Bowen seems to think these guys will surprise. I think if we can find guys at that position who can cover, we have a chance to be a very good defense — one that plays big and mean, and is versatile enough (and heavy enough) to switch to a 5-2 or a 4-3 on the fly.

by JeffG on Jun 26, 2009 9:33 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

D-Line or Backs?

How many of you think last year’s defensive problems were the D-Line or were they the D-Backs? I am of the opinion that it was coaching and play calling (e.g. putting a safety in the box) coupled with horrible play from our safeties and Nate Webster. I also noted a steep drop in effectiveness after Champ went down.

by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Brees

I liked Brees’ measured and rational comment regarding Orton. I always appreciate that kind of response of some screaming MSM idiot trying to sell me OxiClean or (fill in the product) for $19.99 (but WAIT, if you ….)

by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

oops

“..that kind of response rather than some screaming…”

by Endzone on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was interesting..

But it left out some facts. It is a good example of the Broncos paying a lot of money for players that did not live up to their contracts. And that habit is still going to cost them this year as well.

But I don’t see Bly playing to a level that will cause us to wish we had not let him go.

by AlanC on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....the fact we had to take that hit makes you realize how much McD valued him as a player.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 27, 2009 7:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a stretch....

Marvez is picking O and D rookies of the year already. Talk about bias

“Pre-camp rookie take: The frontrunners for NFL Offensive and Defensive Rookies of the Year are Arizona running back Chris Wells and Miami cornerback Vontae Davis.”

I guess he has a cystal ball into the future, we’re not even in training camp yet for crying out loud.

by bchiper on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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