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This Year's Frunobulax

Often, you hear someone say or post, "Yeah, he's this year's _____ (fill in your own blank)". It's a kind of verbal shorthand that can be useful if we are either on the 6th beer or clear on why a certain player has something in common with the one cited. Commonly, it's a just way to denigrate the player without giving any specifics, as in 'He's this year's Ryan Leaf'. Anyone who's followed football for a decade knows exactly what is meant by that - Player X is going to be an utter bust (and probably a felon as well). It's an easy way to say something. Sometimes he's just going to be this year's Frunobulax.

Depending on who you talked to, Mark Sanchez was either this year's Ryan Leaf or this year's Brady Quinn. Occasionally he was this year's Tom Brady, but I never could figure out why. If anyone is this year's Brady, it would nearly have to be our own Brandstater, given the strange list of coincidences they share.  A running back who isn't as fast as some might imagine can be this year's Terrell Davis, for example. Darren McFadden, according to many, was going to be that year's Reggie Bush, although I didn't see that as the insult that it was usually meant to be. The list is long, the comparisons so simplistic that even their meaning can be obscure. But they all have a single thing in common.

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They go a long way toward expressing things in as a simple way as possible and equally far toward avoiding the intricacies that are involved with analyzing the specific players and seeing them as individuals with strengths and weaknesses. There's nothing wrong with that unless you want to be precise about what you're talking about, at which point it's not too helpful. They are ways to talk about how you feel about something as opposed to whether or not you think about something, a process that should involve more data and analysis.

You read this from some commentators. Recently, the most common object of this kind of statement has been Denver's own Alphonso Smith. He is a very good cornerback who is a fraction under 5'10 and therefore - to give one side - an utter bust. Well, perhaps not an utter bust, but certainly not worth the pick that was used on him. Short cornerbacks (by which we apparently mean under 5'10) are at a disadvantage, etc. We've all read both sides, and this isn't to bother rehashing those debates. I will, however, use a couple of things to illustrate the pitfalls of this kind of vague measurement-based (physical measurement in this case) thinking.

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A good example is Louis Delmas. A lot of MHR members were very high on him at one point - it looks as if he could be a pretty good safety, and we really needed to draft a safety or two. This quote is from the NY Times and was written by Mike Tanier in his update on Day 2 of the NFL Draft: 

Delmas is a square peg. He’s an in-the-box safety who is at his best when taking on blockers, shedding blocks, and hammering ball carriers. He’s also a good cherry picker who reads plays well, stays around the football, and can pick off passes. He’s like Rodney Harrison, only in bonsai: he’s only 5-foot-11 and under 200 pounds, so his stack-and-shed game may not translate to the NFL.

So, a square peg usually means that he's in a round hole, and Tanier is saying that he sees Delmas as a person whose skills doesn't match his projected position. Fair enough - it might or might not be true, but it is something that you can look at and talk reasonably about. Frankly, the way they're already using him in coverage in minicamps ends to cast doubt on this, but that's the point: It's an ascertainable fact. Then we have the inevitable height and weight - those are greatly meaningful, except, of course, when they aren't. Why is that? Simple enough...

I understood the allusion to Harrison who is 6'1 and 220 - the bonsai crack was at least shows that he was thinking and gives a nod to attempting to be 'literary'. Now, how important is height and weight to playing safety? We all get caught on this one at time - I certainly did when looking at potential draft picks. An equally fair question is 'what was the height and weight of the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year in 2007 and what was his position? If you guessed Bob Saunders at 5'8 and 200 lb you'd be spot on. He picked up a couple of Pro Bowls and a couple of All Pro rankings recently, too. But by all the commotion on Delmas as a safety and on Smith as a cornerback, we should know for a fact that each is too small to play the position he was drafted to play. And that makes not a bit of sense, since in 2007 we proved it insupportable for safeties and Darrell Green showed it wrong a long time ago for cornerbacks, (as long as we're focusing on defensive backs). Mecklenburg showed it unsupportable for the 3-4 LB/DE position. The outcome of an individual's production is based on the skills, mental and physical, of that individual. Period. Focusing on genetics is misleading at the very best.

How about Alphonso Smith? This isn't about whether he's tall enough. While Abe Lincoln said once that a man's legs should be just short enough to reach the ground, I personally don't care what his height is as long as he reaches the ball (which he's done brilliantly so far). But consider this, and you can plug in the player of your choice if you're tired of talking about Smith:

All of these players are individuals. They aren't the other guy, much less an imaginary one that you might think of if you want to reduce a discussion of a player's abilities to a mental exercise involving some statistical mean or median. They aren't part of some list of players who did or didn't get 'X' award. All of that is both pointless and inaccurate. They are individuals. They have strengths and weaknesses. They may have a lot more of one than the other. You have to look past someone's height and weight to see what their skillset is. That - and only that - is what's important.

I've been watching - and in part participating in - some verbal ping pong. If one person mentions Smith as being too short, the other will almost certainly slap it back and mention Darrell Green - he's 1+ inches shorter than Smith and comfortably in the Hall of Fame so it's obvious that height isn't the be-all and end-all as it's being portrayed. The other side then cries, "But Green was faster!" He was, too. He was shorter than Smith, too. He didn't have quite the leaping ability of Smith, either. Does that make Smith better? Of course not, and that's the point. We won't see for a long time if Smith is Hall of Fame material, or Ring of Fame material (more importantly). But what we can do is look at something other than a tape measure and a scale when talking about players. Because if that's all you've got, you've got nothing at all. That suggests that game film doesn't exist, competition doesn't exist and that we have no rational way to judge the man's skills, which is patently false.

It's just as possible that Smith makes the Pro Bowl, All-Pro status and Ring and/or Hall of Fame as that he doesn't - he will or he won't and we have no evidence either way. Neither side, if that were even the argument, has the faintest idea. Suggesting that he won't be successful because he's 5'9 is a statement without a shred of proof. Are all players of that height unsuccessful? Nope. Suggesting that he's been incredibly successful at every level of competition so far is a statement of fact. That's the difference between them. The 'height is good' argument is a pointless one, because it ignores the individual factors that have made this specific player incredibly good. If you don't know what those factors are, you should - at least, if you're going to join an argument about this player and not some other.

The picture at the beginning of this article is of Champ Bailey out-jumping everyone because he could 'see' the play unfold before anyone else. I haven't heard a word that's negative about Smith's abilities in that area. In fact, he's rated very high in football intelligence and he studies constantly. He, like Champ, has tremendous leaping ability. Why not talk specifically about those factors? If we're going to be fully honest, it's because they interfere with an attempt to keep the debate away from ascertainable specifics. If you can't really talk about why a player is or isn't good, you have to either say that he's this year's Frunobulax or complain that he isn't tall, wide, heavy or long-armed enough. Otherwise, you're stuck with facts, traits, analysis and.production.

Why not break down (in this example) Smith's skillset and/or his production? Equally, why not discuss them for each player that gets mentioned? If you can, find problems there and we can rationally talk more about this and about what they are. Otherwise, just for myself, I think that we've probably talked his genetics to death. If you accept that kind of argument, you have to suggest that Mike Singletary was too small to be a great middle linebacker. Don't try that argument on anyone he played against. The same would be true of Al Wilson, 10 lb too light to play MLB (or so went the argument at the time. . Karl Mecklenburg? Just a skinny 12th rounder, not worth the time. The list goes on. Who was your favorite player who was too small, too light, too anything to play the game?

Oh, Frunobulax? He was the cheesy monster that Frank Zappa created for his song 'Cheepnis'. Frank Zappa didn't specify his precise height and weight, though. Sad, really...

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Great post broncobear!

And LoL at Frunobulax and the last line of the post, especially ; )

I’d have to go with Eddie Royal, hopefully he maintains and improves even, the ‘underdog’ success he has attained thus far.

As usual, Rec’d and thanks again!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 28, 2009 1:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Eddie is a great choice

Remember the post-draft furor on him? Danged wasted pick….lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zappa

One of the most underrated guitarists and musicians ever. I would just as soon be underrated at this point just for the surprise factor.

by Ponderosa on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

A Great Read as always Doc. Another Frank Zappa Fan?

What you alluded to in your post Doc, about everyone being an Individual….and….. for the sake of
argument—( square peg in the round hole ). Those who use statistics to prove point X.
I believe, the reason ( one ) tries so hard to prove ( ones ) point, is ego driven.
We want recognition, we want validation that, not only is our theroy correct…..but…that we are too.
Now I’m old school ( older than Broncolorado ) ( great article by the way BC. ) Its taken me, the
better part of 30 minutes to put this together. Just me, my laptop, and my dictionary….lol
My Point—To justify Alphonso Smith or anyone else for that matter to the Fandom at large,
is like My _ is better, faster, stronger than Your_____.
Since were all Individuals—-I believe we do these things on a more fundamental level.
Just some thoughts from an old Bronco Fan, and the school of Hard Knocks.
Go Broncos

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Jun 28, 2009 3:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And ofcourse---Rec'd....

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Jun 28, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Foley

Was ‘too everything’ negative. All he did is blast people and come up with key turnovers. He also got his forearm shattered by Earl Campbell, which was noteworthy because he was probably the smallest guy on the field at the time AND the only one still willing to take on Campbell at that point.

Interestingly, he was so highly regarded by his teammates that when Dan Reeves tried to just disregard him, Louis Wright hung them up out of protest…or thats the pretty strongly supported rumor. When I try to match current personalities with those of lore, its Steve Foley I think of with Eddie Royal. They have the same quiet humility mixed with gamer mentality.

Brilliant as always, Bear.

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 28, 2009 4:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh I kinda like

that injured RB from Georgia who was too slow to play in the NFL – maybe you remember Terrel Davis.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 28, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

The better our memories (or the longer our experience) the more of them there are. You can always know how a player will develop – except, of course, when you can’t….

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 28, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think 'height is good' is pointless per se

but I get your point. One of the errors people make who downgrade him for being not quite 5’10’’ is the all-or-nothing fallacy. You could see it a few years ago in a film about an asteroid bearing down on the earth. Bruce Willis and some other aging stars land on it and attempt to blow it up so the pieces will pass on either side of the earth. But to do that successfully the explosives have to planted at a sufficient depth, let’s say 1000 feet. In the movie they get down to, say, 995 feet and run into some really hard rock, and the tension starts to build. If they can’t make that last five feet all is lost. But if they can cover the entire distance, all of it, including the last inch, we’re saved. There is no magic height such that a person on one side of it is “too short” and a person on the other side is “tall enough”.

Yet that doesn’t mean height is irrelevant. For a basketball player, even a point guard, being several inches shorter than six feet is a serious disadvantage, and to a lesser degree the same is true of cornerbacks. The fact that there are players that short who’ve succeeded doesn’t disprove that hypothesis. The rarity of such players is evidence enough. The players who’ve succeeded have had to be unusually good in other respects in order to compensate for what is a real and legitimate disadvantage. We know it can be done, and more often in football than basketball where relative shortness isn’t as extreme a disadvantage, but how do we know if a given player is one of those who can?

One way — and here I’m in full agreement with you — is by judging the player on more than that one measurement attribute, and on more than just measurements. On-field results shouldn’t be the sole determinant anymore than measurements, because they don’t always translate well to the pros. Everyone in the pros was good in college. But used judiciously, taking into account the level of competition and the player’s degree of dominance, they can put a supposed measurement deficit into context as one of a number of factors, and not necessarily the most important one. Dumervil showed a striking ability in college for getting to the quarterback, and that knack went with him to the pros. Smith seems to have an equally striking ability to intercept passes, and I think their’s a very good chance his “knack” will also continue to be evident at the next level, for reasons that you and others have already cited.

It comes down to the judgment of the people who decided to draft him. McDaniels presumably saw something he really, really liked in Alphonso Smith, and who am I to say that this previously successful defensive backs coach didn’t know what he was doing? Until a sufficient number of his choices prove to have been mistakes I’m going to assume that he does, that that’s part of what Bowlen saw in him. If we decide otherwise we’ve already given up, and June is just to early to throw in the towel with regards to your team’s prospects.

Recommended, of course. Your ability to write substandard articles is seriously deficient.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 28, 2009 6:20 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Well
Recommended, of course. Your ability to write substandard articles is seriously deficient.

I couldn’t agree more

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra

by KaptainKirk on Jun 28, 2009 9:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kirk and Spock agree ?!

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington

by Broncs Cheer on Jun 28, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk and Spock often agree...

McCoy on the other hand….

by jaffe28 on Jun 29, 2009 3:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

...was drafted by Pittsburgh....

He didn’t achieve warp speed and at 198, his shield will never handle the Romulans, much less the Klingons….

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 29, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

.....and still thinks....

that space is filled with darkness, and disease….

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jun 29, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 29, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We always know how a player will turn out, if we wait long enough to find out.

And that is the beauty of it all, we get to be entertained over and over until we do finally find out. I’ve mentioned Darryl Green a few times because he always seemed to make the play. Size is of no concern, heart, desire, and a good character to get there are the important factors. Nothing else. Most of these analyst that write such crap couldn’t be a water boy for local high school team, look at Solomon Wilcots…Said Kyle 6’3" Orton is to small. What an idiot…

by bfree2bronc on Jun 28, 2009 9:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

KO is 6'4...Cutler is 6'3

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 29, 2009 5:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Orton's neckbeard...

…bangs stewardesses by the gross. Then it settles into a smoking jacket and has itself a Dos Equis.

It doesn’t always drink bear, Kyle Orton’s neckbeard doesn’t. But when it does, it drinks Dos Equis.

by JeffG on Jun 29, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great googli moogli !!

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Jun 29, 2009 6:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

rockets can't stop it!

so frunobulax was obviously pretty tough for a poodle-dog. which again proves your point. how about the inverse? lenny walls-tallest cornerback in the league. so what. karl paymah-all i ever read about this guy contains the word “proto-type”, yet i continue to see that he basically sucks. i’ve always said that measurables(and therefore, the combine), are severely overrated in the nfl. production is what counts, bottom line. shanny’s own infatuation with speed was perhaps his biggest shortcoming. history is full of greatness for players “lacking” in a given area, or 2. i’ve been around while, so they are too numerous to mention, really.

i do not have a problem with smith’s height, whatsoever. actually, i don’t think many people do. the cost is another story, but it appears we may be getting a #1 back in the forthcoming marshall trade, though i would prefer a starting player, instead. as fz stated in the same song-“the cheaper it is, the better it is”. very true in the nfl, think about it. while this holds more true from a salary standpoint(after the trade of picks), we did give up a valuable asset to aquire him, the exact value of which to be determined later. i believe that this is where the “knocks” are coming from, not directed at the player himself. coudn’t agree more with the message of the post, though.

side note: i see there are some zappa fans here at mhr. i wouldn’t be able to sleep tonight without making sure you’ve heard the somewhat recent release “trance-fusion”. instrumental, and amazing. the zappa’s are still churning out cd’s from the archives, and dweezil is still touring supporting fz’s music. it’s not over, yet! check it out if you can

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the secondary?

by davecheffy on Jul 2, 2009 11:38 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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