So Long, Mike, and Thanks for the Memories
I'm not quite sure how this post came to be. I think it began as I searched for a way to understand exactly what had transpired in December of 2008 and January of 2009. Like many here at MHR, I was surprised by Pat Bowlen's decision to get rid of Shanahan and bring in Josh McDaniels. I've appreciated the many MHR posts both in support of Mike, against Mike, in support of Josh and against Josh. They have all helped me crystalize my own thinking. For a long time, I have wavered about whether or not to even post this piece. I decided to go ahead and post it & wait to see what happens.
First, I'd like to say that I will always be endeared to Shanahan for having brought us our first two Super Bowl wins. I'm assuming here that there will be more Super Bowl wins in our future, but I digress. Like all coaches, Shanahan had his ups and downs, his successes and failures. Shanahan was a complex coach who accomplished many great things for the Broncos. Yet, I found myself somewhat conflicted whenever I considered his career as Denver's coach. I found myself having a hard time reconciling the image of Shanahan the Mastermind who won back-to-back Super Bowls with Shanahan the Coach who couldn't get us into the play-offs regularly during the last decade. So, I decided to look back at some of the statistics from Shanahan's career.
Mike Shanahan coached in the NFL for 26 years. 10 years in assistant coach positions, and 16 years as a head coach. During those years, he compiled the following statistics:
I. Quarterbacks Coach -- Denver (1984-85, 1989-91)
Regular Season Record: 52-28 (.650)
Post Season Record: 3-3 (.500)
3 Division Titles (1984, 1989, 1991)
1 AFC Championship (1989)
1 Super Bowl Appearance (1989)
II. Offensive Coordinator -- Denver (1986-87), San Francisco (1992-94)
Regular Season Record: 58-20-1 (.740)
Post Season Record: 9-4 (.692)
2 AFC Division Titles (1986, 1987)
2 AFC Championships (1986, 1987)
3 NFC Division Titles (1992, 1993, 1994)
1 NFC Championship (1994)
3 Super Bowl Appearances (1986 - Denver, 1987 - Denver, 1994 - San Francisco)
1 Super Bowl Championship (1994 - San Francisco)
III. Head Coach -- Oakland (1988-89)
Regular Season Record: 8-12 (.400)
IV. Head Coach -- Denver, the Elway Years (1995-98)
Regular Season Record: 47-17 (.734)
Post Season Record: 7-1 (.875)
2 AFC Division Titles (1996, 1998)
2 AFC Championships (1997, 1998)
2 Super Bowl Appearances (1997, 1998)
2 Super Bowl Wins (1997, 1998)
V. Head Coach -- Denver, Post Elway (1999-2008)
Regular Season Record: 91-69 (.568)
Post Season Record: 1-4 (.200)
1 AFC Division Title
What I came to see was that Mike will stand as a great coach. With the exception of his four years as a Head Coach with John Elway as his quarterback, the majority of Shanahan's successes came during the 10 years that he served as an assistant coach (QB coach & OC). His one plus years in Oakland were utter disasters (but then, isn't that true of most coaches in Oakland?). 10 of his 14 Head Coaching years in Denver were mediocre at best. IMHO, It was the 9 wins per year average and the lack of post season appearances that led to Bowlen's decision more than anything else.
Yet, it will be Shanahan's four years with Elway and two Super Bowl wins that will be etched in colorful clarity forever and foremost in our memories and be the legacy that we remember and honor him for.
Yet, it is those four years with Elway that will etch Shanahan into our memories
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Good post. Rec'd
I was/am a huge Shanafan. I will definitely miss having him as part of the Broncos family. Even if we win 10 Superbowls in a row with McD. Teams should be lining up for his services if he decides to coach again.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
I think Shanahan's deserving of many accolades
More than anything, what I saw in all of this is that he seems to flourish best when he has someone acting as a check on him. Where his genius started to come into question was as he was given more and more control over every facet of the program. I hope he can land a coaching position wherein he can focus mostly on his strength — offensive game planning.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on Jun 4, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that B
That is a good observation
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
another thing
I don’t think he was really as bad as people think when it came to drafting players. He certainly wasn’t the best, but he wasn’t the worst either. Really the only draft pick I will never forgive him for is the Maurice Clarett pick.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
good point ob
thanks
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on Jun 4, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Clarett picked sucked but not that bad
Clarett was a heck of a college runner and probably would have been picked higher the year before had he won his case in court.
Our contract with him was mostly incentive based, so we didn’t lose that much money. We did lose a 3rd round pick and that hurts but there’s no guarantee that the other pick would have worked out either.
Had he panned out it would have looked brilliant! Of course that’s what most people say when they knock shanahan, is that he was always looking for the pick that would make him look like a genius. (ala TD)
Absolutely right, trumanj.
I thought it was a good risk at the time, so I don’t regret it. It didn’t cost too much and it might have turned into a grand slam.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
in hindsight
Marion Barber and Brandon Jacobs were available when he took MoC. Either one of those could have been a nice grand slam.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
If we could have seen it coming, then i would agree.
Unfortunately, we couldn’t.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
It was a stretch that didn't pay off
I remember quite a few that did.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 7, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions
What's that they say about hindsight?
{{shrug}} What can you do. I thought it was a reasonable risk at the time, but we all know how badly it turned out.
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 5, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
You can bet
McD won’t waste a pick like that. I think he values every pick available to him, as an opportunity to improve the team.
I thought it was a reasonable risk that Shanny took, until the kid got to camp and we found out he was a little immature for the NFL . It is a shame that everyone knew it but Clarett himself. What a waste of talent.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
I remember reading somewhere
that had the Broncos not taken him, the Cowboys were going to select him in the 4th round instead of Barber.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 7, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Man, if we win 10 SuperBowls in a row...
I would be saying… Shanny who?
IMO, Shanahan was a very good coach, but I think Elway made him look like a super coach. Once Elway was gone, Shanny was good… but not neccesarily great. I was very disappointed when he was let go, but with some time to consider the whole deal… I think it had to happen.
I wish him the very best in his next coaching job!
by RevrendBronco on Jun 4, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
ditto, I wish him on-going and continued success
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Ditto.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Elway and Shanny needed each other
Each one’s presence does not take away from their collective successes; nor are their accomplishments apart lessened (in my mind).
Elway will always be the greatest Bronco, and unless someone else wins 2 rings, Shanny will always be our greatest coach. I think it’s important to note that Shanny had a lot to do with Elway’s development as an NFL quarterback; it’s not like they first met in 1995.
For me, the two will always be linked; but each deserves their own recognition for greatness.
absolutely agree
I agree that Shanahan helped develop Elway. In fact, that was what led to his first departure from Denver. ;-p
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
by Brian Shrout on Jun 4, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
very well said...
I was SUPER disappointed that we gave up on Shanny one game away from the play-offs, with the second youngest roster …with so damn many injuries and considering his past success with us! It’s hard to win in this league. Do I need to compile a list of the great players, teams & coaches (maybe that’d be a good story somebody?) that never won a superbowl? Yeah, he should still be our coach…
But he isn’t. That said…“Shanny will always be our greatest coach” I hope isn’t accurate! Maybe Josh will be?
Elway always the greatest Bronco… I’ll go ahead and hold on to that one, lol. As Staubach is over Aikman in my mind. I’d hoped JC would be our Aikman, I wonder who will be? I reckon it’ll be more of a team success (if we have any) for awhile… I can live with that.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 7, 2009 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Truly he was a great coach,
who had a vision of the direction the Denver Broncos should go. With that vision he brought 2 Lombardi trophies to Pat Bowlen’s office, and gave us some of the most exciting football that we have ever witnessed. With that success he was given the reigns of the whole organization. He was the"Key-man" to a team that showed the world that John Elway “could and would win a Super Bowl”, not once but twice back to back. This was truly a masterful feat to sustain a team 2 years in a row.
Then John Elway, three months after Super Bowl #2 win retires. His great leader was now a civilian in street clothes. So many QB’s tried to fill those great shoes, and they all failed, from Griese to Cutler. The one thing that really caught me by surprise was the benching of Jake Plummer and the introduction of Jay Cutler. The great Head Coach bringing in a rookie QB just out of college.To soon? I don’t know but I was willing to let this rookie carry the clip board for the remainder of the season so could fully learn the offense and grasp the real meaning of NFL QB leadership. I guess the fued between Jake and Shannahan had come to a head, leaving the Head Coach little or no other course but bring in the “kid”. Maybe a bit premature as broncobear pointed out.
Shannahan’s coaching approach seemed be somewhat lanquid in the later years, predisposed, preoccupied, lacking in desire to to get back to the greatness of before. There are teams who would jump at the chance to get him aboard just because of his prior experience and success (Buffalo taking TO). If I was going to hire Shannahan to coach my team thats all he would be. There would be a GM to keep the team organized and it wouldn’t be him. Great post B. 13-3 Baby!!!
I like "langid in the later years" :)
I’ve written elsewhere, as have many others, that the only real flaw I see in Shanahan as a coach is a firm belief that he was only 1 or 2 good players away from the Super Bowl, which is what I think led to some of the personnel decisions.
But his accomplishments still place him at the top of the heap.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Conflicted in the extreme
I will be the first to say that I will always be grateful to Shanny and what he was able to accomplish in Denver, the SB memories will remain with me forever. Shanny was a great NFL mind and obviously was huge in getting Denver to have a high powered O that will always be remembered (Sharpe, Elway, TD, Eddie Mac, Rod).
More than anything I have to thank BShrout for this article and breaking down why it was a GREAT decision to remove Shanny after last season. The stats don’t lie and since Elway left (along with most of the team that won the SBs) the Broncos have been admired but not for their winning ways. Shanny had the right pieces in place at the right time and looking back I will always wonder if wasn’t lucky more than anything. Look at the times in his entire career when he won it all, Elway and Joe Montana as his QBs and O’s that had amazing talent. I think he has been given a little too much credit. As a head coach he stepped in and used most of the talent that was on the team when he took over and enabled them to win. Would they have won any SB’s without TD? I really don’t think so. That one draft pick has changed the face of Shanny forever.
In the end I want to look to the future, I feel that McD has an incredible football mind and is focused on every part of the game as well as on the type of men that we can all respect and won’t be conflicted in cheering for (i.e. Romo- I will always remember the spitting incident as a low point in the organizations history). These are all things I think Shanny missed. He focused on the offense and went through D coordinators like my son goes through diapers.
The biggest thing in the last few years were the blowouts. Your team is not very good if it is getting destroyed on the field in any game in the season and the last few years the Broncos have been on the wrong side of lopsided games WAY too often.
To sum it all up I am more hope in the Broncos for this season and the years to come than I have had in possibly a decade.
Go Broncos!
There is no I in team.
Elway simplification is unfair, IMO
Unfortunately for Shannahan, he’ll always be viewed with-Elway and without Elway. Having watched the two America’s Game features on the Broncos Super Bowl wins last night, it reminded me of what may be viewed as blasphemy around here: John Elway was in serious decline and certainly no longer capable of carrying a franchise. Had Super Bowl XXXII come down merely to The Duke, the Broncos would have hung their fifth Superbowl Loss. The next season, which I believe featured the greatest Bronco team in history, was memorable not only for Bronco dominance but for the fact that Elway was gimpy, hurt, and questionable for essentially every game of the season. There were stretches that season in which the Broncos had to overcome their QB (I can post a picture if you want to throw darts at me in effigy)/. He could certainly still play effectively, but he was never the singular reason for the Broncos success at any point in those two seasons.
That obviously opens the door to simplify the success of the Broncos to Terrell Davis, and I think that’s unfair also. I think what really happened is that Shannahan was driven, fresh, and offensively ahead of anybody. He also still recognized the value of hunger and team chemistry, which was evidenced by his brilliant early moves in FA. For example, while watching last night, I was reminded that the Broncos 1998 offense featured only 1 first round pick (Elway) and eight starters who were drafted in the sixth round or later. Among those cogs were players that still haven’t been replaced in terms of presence and production, and who were brought on or given a chance by Shannahan: Schlereth, Griffiths, McCaffrey, Smith, T. Jones, among others, on offense, N. Smith, A. Williams, T. Braxton (brought back by Shanny), Romonowski, Gordon, etc on defense. In fact, Mike Shannahan came into Denver and immediately set about doing what Josh McDaniels is setting about doing now. He changed the culture and infused the roster with guys who worked hard and played hard. He was truly the mastermind not only on the field but in the lockerroom.
What happened? I’m not exactly sure, but I think that maybe he did get a little lazy. He started bringing in low maintenance vets— self motivators with proven pedigrees that could be plugged in and counted on to do their jobs. That’s not exactly a bad thing, especially on defense when your whole scheme is predicated on flawless execution with the idea that, given enough rope, the opposing offense will hang its self. It even worked for awhile (see the abberation called the first 8 games of 2006), but eventually it fell flat. I don’t know who among you read the Fastis book, but in there was a small conversation with Ian Gold that in hindsight seems very telling. Gold pointed out to Fastis that he had no friends on the team and no desire to change that. He was a professional doing his job, they could all count on him doing it on Sunday, they all knew that, so why complicate things by trying to be friends? This phenomenon seemed to be exacerbated with each passing year— in fact, by Shannahan’s last training camp, it seemed like at least half of the team didn’t even have to practice twice a day. If you were the right vet with the right disposition and the right resume, you didn’t even have to bother fighting for your job anymore. Eventually, we started to see this on the field. Four Bronco defenders never seemed to be able to get one running back down on initial contact, and what should have been an easy tackle for loss became another 3rd and 2 conversion for the opponent. Worse, if a team like Carolina was supposed to beat them, and started to beat them, it was almost like the entire squad was simply prepaired to accept their fate. There was no unity, no fight, no passion. The team started to reflect its stale coach. The team lacked any semblance of chemistry.
The real killer for Shannahan, though, IMO of course, was his inability to be honest with himself about his team. We’ve been hearing for a few years now that if Denver could only rush the passer better, they’d be a lot better. Before that, there was the obbsession with finding another WR or a big corner. Shannahan never did find that pass rusher, and even if he had in this draft, we’d still be staring in the face of a completely decimated and aging secondary . Once the obsession with the third WR or freak of nature corner was over, the shelf at tackle and RB was bare. He spent a lot of time chasing one cock roach, while many others escaped to breed. He got tunnel vision based on his own unrealistic assessment of his team.
That’s my opinion, at least.
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 4, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions 6 recs
A clarification
I realize some of the players I listed on defense were early picks and should have added the caveat that the team was assembled of late draft picks getting their first chance AND veterans (N. Smith, Romo, Williams) who were thrown to the scrap heap by previous teams. In short, it was a roster of players who, for one reason or another, felt they had something new to prove…..
I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"
by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 4, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Analysis of decline
PO I really think you nailed this aspect of why Shanahan had to go. I too will always respect him for his body of work, but greatness had eluded him in recent years because of personnel decisions and the inability to be honest with himself. I admire Bowlin for recognizing the team wasn’t headed in the right direction and making the change. The team all too often seemed to be going through the motions last year without passion or drive for excellence among many of the veterans, although some of the younger players were great (Larsen, Royal, Clady.)
I think You Did
a good job summarizing things. I also believe that in the last paragraph you hinted at something that explains so many of Denver’s draft moves this season. We didn’t focus on needs today but needs tomorrow. The nice thing is that it is a safe bet that tomorrow will become today pretty quickly and then things will pay off well.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Great comment P.O.!
You should seriously consider taking that and turning it into and a stand alone post (or just copy what you have above an add a little pretext for clarification) . I think you very succinctly and perfectly described how all of it started and ended with Shanahan. I will always love Shanny for who he was and what he accomplished and believes he deserves all of the praise and accolades he has been given and will be given (i.e. HOF). But nothing lasts forever and, as disappointed as I was at the time, I’m extremely excited and intrigued with McDaniels and the new Broncos team he is assembling…..for next year and the next 5 years. We’ve had a lot great times here in Bronco Country and I wholeheartedly believe those times will be coming again soon!
And, of course, great post by BShrout as well! Nice job, gentleman!
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes
by RockyMtnHigh on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree PO
Nice analysis on the last 2 years of Elway, I would add however that while his physical skills were clearly declining his mechanics, ability to read the D,cerebral and intangibles were never better. It’s why I’m so encouraged when I see Mcd spending so much time working with Orton and Simms on every aspect of the position.
"as in football so in life"
wow, that's the best argument for firing Shanny that I've heard yet.
Great points. There were several there that I guess I knew but didn’t really get til you pointed them out. I’ll still say the timing was bad, given the injuries, team youth, new talent & history but given your comments,
I wonder if maybe it was time after all.
It saddens me… that I could be wrong…. I mean that he had to go. lol
Golly I hope McD lands on his feet after his screw-ups (in my opinion GOSH)!
I want to win! (New guy at work… bolts fan… ) I so want to win.
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 7, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions
rec'd comment PO
excellent analogy with the tunnelvision.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 7, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope I've not come across as being overly critical of Mike.
This post was largely an attempt at catharsis and closure for me. I appreciate all of the responses, since each one has helped me see Shanahan a little more clearly.
We must remember, as PredominantlyOrange so eloquently said:
He changed the culture and infused the roster with guys who worked hard and played hard. He was truly the mastermind not only on the field but in the locker room.
I think what happened to Mike is that he was allowed to assume more and more control over the team as a whole, which diverted his energies from what he did best: developing quarterback talent and offensive game planning.
I also agree that he will forever be talked about in “with-Elway” and “without-Elway” terms. IMHO, the reality is that without all of the pieces in place (Shanahan, Elway, Davis, the hard-hitting defense, the culture of working/playing hard) neither Mike nor John would be able to boast of even 1 Super Bowl ring.
I just hope that should Shanahan choose to return to coaching, that it’s not in the AFC west, or in the AFC at all. Just kidding. I hope that if, no make that when, he returns to a coaching position that the owner and the general manager of his new team structure Shanahan’s work environment so that they are able to empower his strengths, and not simply cede control because he’s “Mike Shanahan.”
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Great follow up comments and great original post!
I agree on all fronts…..as well as with P.O. above.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes
by RockyMtnHigh on Jun 5, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions
not stale
I want to bring up something has been nagging at me a little bit lately when reading MHR and it was only today that I finally put my finger on it. There seems to be a commonly held belief by some folks around here that it was time for Mike Shanahan to go because he had become stale, or that the game had changed but he hadn’t, or even that “the game had passed him by”, implying that the rest of the league had figured Shanahan and his system out.
I distinctly remember reading an in-depth article several years back that highlighted the way Shanahan always challenged himself and his staff in the offseason to identify weaknesses and seek contstant improvement in all facets of running the team. Everything from how they did business in the front office, to the playbook, to the team’s conditioning, everything. The classic analogy he used was that of the big, successful business that gets ahead, gets “comfortable” then slowly but surely dies after being overtaken by it’s hungrier competitors. Shanahan wanted to avoid that by staying open to ideas, staying nimble, and never resting on past success. I remember being quite impressed when I read that Shanahan ran the football team much in the same way a good executive runs any successful business.
So I am surprised that so many here regard Shanny as just an old curmudgeon, stubbornly stuck in his ways as the game passed him by. According to some, he was utterly unable to evaluate a defensive player to save his life (oh, except for Al Wilson, or Darrent Williams, or Elvis Dumervil, or Trevor Pryce, or that time he traded for Champ Bailey…), and so drunk on his own power he couldn’t value any opinion but his own. This just doesn’t seem to fit with anything I’ve read about him or what many people thought about him (before he was fired, anyway).
So could it be that Shanahan’s act wasn’t actually stale? He always sought ways to improve all aspects of the team. He had the team in the AFC Championship game just 3 years ago. He had a young, up and coming stud QB and a pretty loaded offense. Roethlesberger’s early success changed everyone’s expectations of what a young QB could be in the NFL. Cutler could no longer be expected to take time to develop, he had to be good NOW. Never mind that he is just now entering the phase in his career where the game slows down for most young QB’s, where they stop making dumb plays and start really excelling. Remember Elway’s first few years? (Ahem.) Anyway, within another year or two, with a couple good defensive drafts and astute free agent pickups, Shanny and Cutler just might have had this team on track to compete for a championship again.
I’d say the difference between Shanahan teams of the first 10 years of his run and the teams of the last 3 or 4 was that you used to almost never see a Broncos team get blown out. Yeah, they could lose games they shouldn’t, they could gamble and lose, they could just have an off day and lose, but you never saw them give up and be embarrassed. The difference the past few years was that they were getting blown out by teams like Detroit. Blown out when the entire season was on the line vs. SD. Blown out on national TV. I think blowouts happen when you lack leaders on the field. When you lose guys like Rod Smith and Al Wilson. I think the blowouts are what finally sealed his coffin with Bowlen, and that was really what cost Shanny his job, not his inability to adjust or embrace change.
Yes, I get that this is all water under the bridge now. I just get bugged when people change history to fit their current perspective. Shanny wasn’t perfect, but let’s not mischaracterize him or what he was.
Thanks,
-Creamy
by creamy on Jun 4, 2009 3:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
true C, we need to applaud Mike for all his successes
Personally, I don’t feel qualified to evaluate Shanahan’s effectiveness as a personnel manager, or game-planner, etc., which is why I chose to look at the win-loss/play off appearances of his teams during the various phases of his career.
What I saw was the he was more consistently successful during those years in which he wasn’t carrying the full weight of running the organization by himself; that seems to make sense to me since when he was allowed to focus more fully on player development and game planning, our team looked awesome.
And none of this has been intended to disparage Mike’s accomplishments, nor his contributions to the Broncos and their rich history and tradition.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Thanks for the Memories BShrout.....
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…for some reason reminds me of Bob Hope….when celebs actually loved this country.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I'm showing my age. . .but
I can remember watching his USO shows. My parents actually got to meet him once in Aspen, CO; they said he was one of the most genuinely genial people they had ever met.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Crosby and Hope, Martin and Lewis........really great men from a different time
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I fear for our Nation BShrout….I really do…
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Thanks for the memory!
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Just need to bring the La La Land spirit to more people in the country
outside of football fans, that is.
:D
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
creamy
I took a different view then many on the power grab. First I think no one can really be effecient over the long haul with to much on their plate and think Shanny needed a GM. But I think he might have realized he couldn’t do everything and instead of getting a GM he gave up a good amount of his play calling abilities. I’m sure i’ll get corrected if I’m wrong but didn’t Shanny script the first 15 and then let Bates take the reigns ongoing? And without looking at first quarter stats it always seemed like Denvers first drive or two were typically strong but sad as the game wore on. Now it could have been that the Def had given up to many points by then making the team go pass happy but maybe thats when Bates took the headset too?
sbhchawk
Here to drink the KoolAid poured by KO
sbh i think you're right on
Rather than giving up the GM workload and going back to what he did best, Shanahan surrendered his strongest area to Bates.
Typically, we did make a good showing as we ran through the plays that Mike scripted, but then tailed off as the game went on. There have been a lot of comments/posts to this effect.
I’m personally not sure if Shanahan demanded the overarching power, or if it was something that both he and Bowlen simply allowed to happen in an effort to make the team better. I’ve not seen anything definitive on that issue.
Thanks for your observation.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
IMHO
Shanahan was an awesome planner and game day coach. As he grew he knew he needed to delegate some of that but he really wanted it all. It kind of looked like it consumed him the last couple of years. He actually looked like he mentally gave up early on a few games, historically very uncharacteristic of his driving style. His linkage to Elway was HUGE, he was Elways QB coach, Offensive coordinator and Head coach. He was close to the heart of the Elway-Reeves fued and did what he could to be innovative before going away for a while. After his return we had the major move from that funny orange team with Elway to take them to the Super Bowl and get shipped to a serious player. I wonder if when Elway retired Shanahan felt that need to move on to the bigger things and lost the control of the playbook which really became stale and predictable at the end. No matter what as a Bronco fan you gottta love and respect what he did for us, it’s time to turn the page to the new era which will start better than most prognosticators believe.
Just a thought,
I don"t know if this idea was ever given any thought by Mr. Bowlen, but do you think Shanahan would still be the coach, if he had been willing to give up the GM role ? I have been wondering this, ever since his firing. Great post.
I think that question was raised here on MHR, a couple of times
but I don’t know that anyone was able to come up with a definitive answer.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
"dont worry about seeing on this play, we're gonna fake it"
haha prob my fav quote (shanny talking to TD)
but what i love about mike is he was never afraid to call the same play twice or to go for it on 4th and such
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
Shanahan kept things really really exciting
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by Brian Shrout on Jun 4, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Without a doubt....
one of THE best (among many) moments in Broncos history (and very Mike Shanahan…..he certainly never lacked guts)! I still get chills and all giddy and excited when watching the highlight DVD or shows of Super Bowl XXXII. 11+ years later I’ve still felt the adrenaline rush and even jumped up all excited when Mobley knocks down that 4th down pass. Man, doesn’t get any better. lol And that line, “Dont worry about seeing on this play, we’re gonna fake it”…. ah, it just makes me chuckle and smile every time. Not to mention the look on TD’s face after Shanny says it. lol Priceless. And this was in the freakin’ Super Bowl! Ah, that was good stuff.
We’re all moving on now, Mike, but we’ll always remember, respect and cherish you. Thanks for the memories….what an awesome ride it was!
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes
under the "brass gnads" heading
let’s include going for two against SD last year. He never lost his touch with those kinds of in game decisions, and I truly believe that they represent best the kind of coach he was and wanted to be.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 7, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Yet another of his many gutsy, but great calls. Doesn’t matter how we got into the position to go for the 2-point conversion, that was a damn gutsy call to even try it! Hochuli or not, we still had to score the TD, which we did. And we still had to make the 2-point conversion, which we did. Nice job, Shanny!
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes
"Here I Am Stuck On This Ship Of Fools".
This ship was sailing upright then all of a sudden the ‘gales’ of injuries started to blow. The waves of poor defense swept over the bow. Pushing, ever pushing this ship of fools until it was thust upon the rocky reef of San Diego defeat. Before the ocean of media lamblasting began to rush in, all I could say was, Here I Am Stuck On This Ship Of Fools.
:)
love the poetic effect
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by Brian Shrout on Jun 7, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions

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