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The affect of McDaniels promotion to offensive coordinator

Since January 11th Josh McDaniels has been the most scrutinized and publicized individual in Denver, if not the entire sporting world. So that got me thinking....what was McDaniels impact on the Patriots offense? Is there a clear and significant jump in scoring, ypg, and any other category that the Patriots may have gained from the promotion of their quarterback coach? How about players? Did players benefit from McDaniels and his system? Ive compiled a fair amount of stats from NFL.com indicating McDaniels helped to turn the defensive orriented attack of New England into the record setting and world beating offensive attack, that has made Tom Brady not only a super bowl champion, but statistically the greatest quarterback outside of Peyton Manning of his generation. For good measure I also included in Denver's stats (you know just a comparison since the MSM fails to use them).

From 2001 to 2005 McDaniels carried a variety of positions within the New England organization from defensive assistant to quarterbacks coach. All this time Charlie Weis was the offensive coordinator of the Patriots. Weis helped transform the Patriots into the dynasty of today, but he did not create a juggernaut offensive. Here are the Patriots and Broncos scoring, points per game, and yards per game from 2001 to 2005.

Year

Points per game

Yards per game

2001 Patriot super bowl year

 

Patriots

23.2 (6)

305 (19)

Broncos

21.2 (10)

301.1 (22)

2002

Patriots

23.8 (10)

317.8 (21)

Broncos

24.5 (7)

380.6 (3)

2003 Patriot super bowl year

 

Patriots

21.8 (12)

314.9 (17)

Broncos

23.8 (10)

349.9 (7)

2004 Patriot super bowl year

Patriots

27.3 (4)

357.6 (7)

Broncos

23.8 (9)

395.8 (5)

2005 

Patriots

23.7 (10)

352.0 (7)

Broncos

24.7 (7)

360.4 (5)

() indicates league rank during that season

 

After the 2004 season Weis went to Notre Dame and McDaniels assumed the playcalling duties for the 2005 season. McDaniels becoming offensive coordinator did not become official until 2006, and this is when the Patriot offense really took off.

 

Year

Points per game

Yards per game

2006

Patriots

24.1 (7)

335.6 (11)

Broncos

19.9 (17)

303.9 (21)

2007

Patriots

36.8 (1)

411.2 (1)

Broncos

20.0 (21)

346.3 (11)

2008

Patriots

25.6 (7)

365.4 (5)

Broncos

23.1 (16)

395.8 (2)

() indicates league rank during season

<!--EndFragment--> Obviously 2007 is the season that really jumps out due to the record breaking numbers put up by the Patriots, but what was the most revealing statistic to me is the closness between league rank in yards per game and points per game durig the McDaniels era. To determine this in a mathematical percentage take the league rank and gain an average of both statistics than divide the points per game average over the yards per game average. An ideal correlation between percentages would be a 1.00 indicating the teams yards gained resulted in an appropriate amount of points per game. Obviously this can be twisted and mutilated to serve any purpose but just for this discussion I think it gives an appropriate picture.

The Patriots had an 88% which is exceptional and indicates the Patriot offense scored more points than the amount of yards the team gained would suggest. This attests to the amount of tournovers, field position, and offensive efficiency of the Patriots. The Broncos on the other hand had a horrible 158.8 % indicating the vast amount of yardage the team gained did not translate into points. Once again it can be attested to the lack of turnovers and horrible special teams of the Broncos the past 3 years. This also shows how the Broncos were great between the 20s but could not score.

All of this has been discussed extensively on MHR and I believe most of us are in accordance with each other that we really werent the 2nd best offense, while the Patriots have had one of the best teams and offenseives of the past 3 years. This can be attributed to McDaniels and his system. 

This article was about stats and not opinion. I hope you can all understand how i laid the information out there, and I hope it may help to continue creating an air of excitement in Bronco Country about the upcoming year.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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interesting & thought provoking look

rec’d

I’m sure someone will choose to assert the factors you mentioned (turnovers, field position, etc) as the “true” reason for the Patriots’ offensive improvement. So I think it would be interesting to revisit this information following the 2009 season when New England has to play without McDaniels as the OC & see if there is a decline in the statistics you cited, and likewise, an improvement in Denver’s.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post man...

Just wondering, were all these FRICKIN’ EXPERTS calling Brian Griese HOF when we ranked 3rd in the league in yardage in 7th in scoring….
JUST WONDERING!!!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 30, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Before Cutler we were top ten in scoring every year but John Clayton wouldnt dream of going ga ga over Plummer or Griese but with Cutler and our 16th ranked in points offense he thinks Cutlers unstopable

On To Victory!!!

by alacumba!! on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griese was twice the QB...

…Cutler was, he was just half less the athlete. I’m still not entirely sure why Bronco nation turned on Griese so quickly and so passionately. It seemed like one week he hit Rod Smith on a game winning post against the Raiders, does it with a seperated shoulder, an injury that occured much earlier in the game…and then every thing fell to crap within a year. The guy couldn’t buy a break with the fans or the media. He was essentially driven out of town. In fact, I would go so far to say that Shannahan released him not because he gave up on him, but out of mercy and compassion.

I don’t really have a point. I’ve just never been able to figure out how that one turned out so badly. The guy could play and proved it consistently when healthy.

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 30, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it was Glockington who drove Griese out of bounds on his should in the last Monday night

game in Mile High. They must of shot him up with some good drugs. I thought the fans were going to mob Glockington (hope I spelled it right) after the half. I really don’t know why Griese never excelled, because I thought he might be great at first. Maybe that was just me expecting something that wasn’t there.

by bfree2bronc on Jun 30, 2009 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Chester Mcglockton.

That was one big dude!

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Jul 1, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, for 1 year

but by then he couldn’t move much and never really did anyhting for us.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Jul 1, 2009 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Good point…Greise and Plummer both were very good QBs for us and seemed to have gotten the shaft from Denver for the most part.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO

Griese was hamstrung by the way his being the starter was handled by Shanahan — everyone wsa expecting Brister to be named the heir apparent to Elway — I remember reading how startled and stunned the players were over the announcement.

Plummer could never escape the shadows of his past as “Good Jake/Bad Jake” — despite posting good numbers and taking us to the AFC Championship game.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Jul 1, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It did seem like Plummer and Shanahan were at each others throats a few times.

I always thought Shanahan should have let Plummer play out the season in ‘06. Cutler should have remained on the sideline to learn. Maybe Shanahan felt that Jake waasn’t being the mentor that Jay needed, I’m not sure. It sure seemed odd to me though, him firing Jake mid season.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read Fatsis' 'A Few Seconds of Panic'

He talks about this at length. After the issues in the Pittsburgh AFC Champ game, Shanahan lost all faith in Plummer. He decided that Plummer didn’t have it in him to win a SB, so he drafted Cutler. At some point, Shanny then decided that if we weren’t going to the SB with Plummer we should just make the changeover to Cutler. It seemed, at times – and I loved Mike S – that he made these sudden decisions and just jumped at things. On the other side of the ball, that led to the revolving door at, well, defensive coordinator and the D line, with no interest in things like safeties. It was odd from a guy so bright and talented, but there it was.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

decision making style

You’ve nailed it, broncobear.

I don’t have much more to add but Shanahan did make decisions in a way (apparently) that revealed a compulsive, emotional bent. Decision making is partly an analytical process but affective factors are equally important, although poorly understood.

I recall seeing something recently about extraordinarily bright individuals who lose their affective dimension because of brain damage (they literally lose their ability to ‘feel’). They lose their problem solving and decision making ability as a result, despite not losing analytical ability. I don’t know if this research applies here but I’d say that temperament counts. Leadership and decision making require sensing emotional states in others and oneself.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 1, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

very good post ski...

revealed a compulsive, emotional bent. Decision making is partly an analytical process but affective factors are equally important, although poorly understood.

This kind of emotionally bent and compulsive mind-set of Shanahan may have been the product of too much power to deal with, thus broadening his paranoia directly at the players. So much to think about…whew..

by bfree2bronc on Jul 1, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to look that information up

I based the above post on something I overheard, so I didn’t have good grip on the information.

It appears to based on some of the ideas in Demasio’s book – DesCartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain, 1994

REVIEW of Descartes Error

Wikipedia entry on book

Somatic markers hypothesis

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Planet earth

to bfree! Earth to Colinski! You guys are too much! I’m ordering both of you to proceed to the nearest tavern. I recommend a double Grey Goose on the rocks with olives!

by rocko1 on Jul 1, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit to being a "divergent" thinker but I don't hijack

Divergent versus Convergent Thinking Styles

I also don’t drink, but I’m not a teetotaler. I firmly believe in the virtue of drinking a glass of red wine — (or more on special occasions, such as a Tuesday).

The subject of how people think, as well as how they can improve their decision making processes, is an interest of mine.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 2, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's heavy material, do you think Shanahan would understand?

Real-life decision making usually involves assessment, by cognitive and emotional processes, of the incentive value of the various actions available in particular situations. However, often situations require decisions between many complex and conflicting alternatives, with a high degree of uncertainty and ambiguity. In such situations, cognitive processes may become overloaded and be unable to provide an informed option.

He may have been over loaded with the powers he had. Thanks ski, asolutely marvelous.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 1, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just head coaching takes 100 hours per week

How on earth do you add GM to that and do a good job at both?

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Xanders

Hopefully, McDaniels has learned a thing or two about decision making already. Organization saves people from having to ponder over difficult decisions and thus waste time, besides often making poor decisions, too. McDaniels strikes me as a decision theorist’s poster child.

I’ve seen indications that Xanders and McDaniels have been influenced by the area I loosely refer to as “decision theory.” I’m referring here to the many prescriptive theories that were popular in Management during the 90s (TQM, etc), and Xanders was undoubtedly exposed to these as an MBA student at that time.

Of course, much of what we’ve arbitrarily assigned to McDaniels is actually due to Xanders, but that hasn’t stopped some people from nontheless assigning blame to McDaniels.

I saw “McDaniels is driving Marshall out of town” post yesterday. Contract negotiations are in Xanders’ area but facts are an inconvenience for ‘these’ folks. Another one was “McDaniels lost SB XLII.” The subject of thinking is quite apropos, both in terms of examining management’s decisions, but also in terms of what some fans aren’t doing lately.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 2, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't get the idea that Fastis was a big Cutler fan.

That chewed at me from the time I read the book.

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, PO

He found Cutler cold, arrogant and distant and wasn’t shy about his opinion. When Cutler rebelled this winter, Fatsis chimed in again. He wasn’t shy about his feelings then, either.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting catch

AllBronc

Interesting to see an interpretation from someone who’s been inside the organization, even if it was before the Cutler thing erupted.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.

Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well,

one could say that the Cutler thing has always been erupting. From the trade up to take him to the trade out to lose him, things just haven’t been business as usual….

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 2, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the MSM possibly read or swallow this....

It makes FAR too much common sense!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 2, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

my only problem with Fatsis is

His conclusion that the “prosaic” explanation that Cutler didn’t fit gives legitimacy to the McDaniels drove Cutler out meme, which was itself a combination of misreporting and disinformation by Cook and Cutler.

We can agree with Fatsis on this prosaic truth, but qualification is necessary.

Cutler himself may have realized that the days of the pass happy Bates scheme were over, which casts his dislike for McDaniels as more professional and less personal — and the personal disliking meme always lacked credibility anyways, since there were no “incidents” between the two that would explain the level of animosity Cutler displayed.

A better way of interpreting Fatsis’ prosaic truth is that there was indeed a valid reason for discussing trading Cutler, although this doesn’t entail “trying to trade him.” There was never any evidence of the Broncos “shopping Cutler,” as was later misreported.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 2, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ski...

the big thing that Fastis and I agree with is this question that NO ONE in the MSM is asking excpet for Tony Dungy:
IF JAY CUTLER IS THE SECOND COMING THEN WHY WOULD A COACH , AND A FIRST YEAR COACH, LOSE THE SECOND COMING?
There was definitely, thru a common sense standpoint, something else going on when this happens?
Either McDaniels is an absolute idiot….which for one minute I KNOW is not true…or there were some things that McDaniels, the staff and front office saw that made Cutler expendable. The Broncos could have played hardball if they wanted to…..and they would have if they thought Jay was all he was cracked up to be.
Fastis slant on this adds credence to the theory, that to me, makes the most sense.
Thanks as always man!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 2, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler's worth

Fatsis says this of Cutler:

..Cutler is virtually absent from my book. That’s because he was uncompelling journalistically and off-putting personally. I sought out players who thought deeply and were interested in explaining the physical and emotional realities of playing in the NFL. That wasn’t Cutler. His demeanor often was that of a bored, eye-rolling teenage girl, with a dash of smugness for good measure.

Jay wasn’t all he was cracked up to be, but neither was Elway — although that’s sacrosanct. Elway learned his lesson late in his career and became a much better QB even though his physical abilities had eroded. It took Elway until late in his career to learn to put the ball where it couldn’t be intercepted, or to throw it away or run out of bounds. Oddly, the early fastball pitcher wasn’t as good as the later game managing Elway, who also had more help, too.

I don’t give the "trying to trade Cutler’ stories much credence because there were no reports of them trying to trade him — simply put. The Tampa Bay proposal was rejected by Denver, and that was what was reported at that time. What we have is a better reason for why the Broncos would engage in talks, since Cutler wasn’t as valuable as believed, and that’s because he lacks Elway’s head; not his arm.

BTW — rarely do we get a real measure of ‘who’ these players are, except in the most extreme cases. Travis Henry had problems, obviously, but most players are in a mid-range where teammates won’t say bad things about them unless their private failings become public failings.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 2, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks mate....

Let me be succinct in that I believe that Denver NEVER initiated trading Jay. I think that McDaniels had doubts but thought he could work thru them with Cutler, but Cutler’s action put the nails in his own coffin.
Any nagging suspicions that McD were confirmed by the way Cutler handled the whole saga.
We will never know.
I thought Jay could be dynamite in this team, but I guess McDaniels judges what makes the man, and not what he can do physically.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just finished the Fatsis book

After purchasing it Friday. What an excellent, excellent read.

IMO, a MUST READ for all on this board. Those that have ever wanted to be a fly on the wall in the Bronco organization, this is your ticket to fly-dom.

Do yourselves a favor and get this book, fellow fans.

It offers really excellent insights and a unique perspective into the locker room during 2006 preseason camp. Here is where you’ll get to read some of the real measure of the players that ’Ski mentions.

It’s changed my perspective on quite a few players, I’ll say that.

Highly recommended, everyone.

by AllBroncsallday on Jul 5, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McD Most Important Addition

You present good stats to postulate that McD may become the most important addition to the team.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, since McDaneils became the OC of the Patriots

Charlie Weis OC of Patriots: 3 Super Bowls
Josh McDaniels OC of Patriots: 0 Super Bowls, and quite possibly the biggest Super Bowl choke job in league history.

An offense that averaged 37 ppg during the season scored 17 in the Super Bowl against a Giants team that was a 5th seed in the NFC. Remember prior to the game when Tom Brady laughed off the Giants’ assertion New England would only score 17? Remember that? I do.

McDaniels was a HIGHLY over-rated assistant in New England, and if I were you Bronocs fans, I’d be very wary of him. He’s won absolutely nothing, and yet he’s been handed the keys to your entire franchise.

Hehe. Good luck.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jun 30, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And what's Caldwell done as a head coach?

He was less than stellar in his days at Wake Forest. I will admit he has some pretty tremendous tools to work with, but he as head coach as just as much to prove as McDaniels IMHO. BTW your points are received and acknowledged.

by bchiper on Jun 30, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

What the hell does Jim Caldwell have anything to do with this discussion? We’re talking about Josh McDaniels.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jun 30, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, just like McDaniels hasn't done anything as a HC yet

Neither has Caldwell.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jun 30, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st Year Head Coaches

Caldwell is one of several 1st year coaches this year. And every coach was a 1st year coach at one point. Appropriately, bchiper pointed out that your Colts also have a 1st year coach. It may sound like an ad hominem argument (a personal attack against you and your team), but I think it fairly raises the question of what we can expect of 1st year coaches based on their experience.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um OK

Since we are now comparing coaches (why I don’t know), Jim Caldwell was the QB coach for the Colts for seven years. He was also the Assistant Head Coach for three years and the Associate Head Coach for one (last year only). Prior to Indy, he was a QB coach in Tampa Bay in 2001. Before Tampa Bay, he was the first African American head coach in the ACC. He took a non-existent Wake Forest program and built it up from nothing. In 1999, Caldwell led the school to its first winning season EVER and bowl game since 1992. During Caldwell’s tenure, Wake Forest ranked among the nation’s Top 25 teams in passing offense on four different occasions, including 10th in the NCAA in 1995. Much of Wake Forest’s current success is directly attributed to the foundation-building work Caldwell did from 1993-2000.

Now, compare this with Josh McDaniels, who was an offensive coordinator for two seasons. Prior to that, he was the teams QB coach. In 2001, he was a “personnel assistant” to the Patriots.

Again, why are we comparing these two guys again? Jim Caldwell has been coaching for years and has an impressive resume as an assistant and as a college coach, despite his overall college record.

Oh, and last I checked, Jim Caldwell wasn’t pissing off his franchise QB by trying to trade for Matt friggin’ Cassell.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jun 30, 2009 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pissing Off

LOL. McD sure didn’t piss me off. No player is complaining. In fact, the only player noise I’ve heard has had universally high praise for McD. MSM has McD TRYING to trade for Cassell, but that’s not true. McD merely listened to a trade offer.

Methinks you’re giving the main stream media (“MSM”) way too much credence. You restate that below when you say:

he is an idiot who doesn’t know how to coach. His gameplan in the Super Bowl was a joke. His handling of Cutler, Marshall, and the draft this year was beyond moronic. And he is stupid enough to actually think that Matt Cassell is a better QB than Jay Cutler.

Please. Take some time to review some of the posts, take some lessons at MHR University, and you just might have a different opinion. Matt Cassell IS a better quarterback than Jay Cutler. Cassell is not a better athlete and has less potential than Cutler, but he is at this stage a far better quarterback. But McD was willing to work with Jay. Jay was not willing to learn or compete.

I for one am not saying Caldwell is going to fail. Nor would I annoint him the next Tony Dungy.

Finally, please follow the Rules of Conduct. Name calling is a no no.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go away....your crap is old....get some facts about OUR team and then come back!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 30, 2009 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was at Big Blue whats his name....not at you 'Zone!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 30, 2009 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

:(

My feelings were soooo like hurt, ya know.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BIGBLUESHOE...BACK TO YOUR BRIDGE NOW!!!

Don’t bring your troll behavior here and try to hide it among your opinion. We have rules of conduct for a reason. Follow them or don’t post.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jul 1, 2009 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparison is the point.

Everyone wants to dis on McDaniels being a first year HC. Caldwell is in the same boat at this level. He was a HC at the college level but wasn’t all that successful at it.

by bchiper on Jun 30, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I don’t diss on McDaniels because he is a first year coach. I diss on him because he is an idiot who doesn’t know how to coach. His gameplan in the Super Bowl was a joke. His handling of Cutler, Marshall, and the draft this year was beyond moronic. And he is stupid enough to actually think that Matt Cassell is a better QB than Jay Cutler.

That is why I diss him. He’s dumb and stupid.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jun 30, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Shoe

Either keep to the Rules of Conduct or stay in your own blog. You’ve been warned about it before

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 30, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that like so many of the "experts"

you’re confusing stats with effectiveness. Marshall is not a problem that McDaniels created, and he didn’t “lose” Cutler due to stupidity. He judged that Cutler wasn’t as effective, as evidenced by the lack of scoring by our “second-ranked offense”, as everybody thought, and traded him for a player he thought would do better in his system plus a king’s ransom of draft picks. We’ll see who’s right when the plays start counting. Perhaps you think Dungy, too, is a moron for not jumping on the Cutler bandwagon.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good one, Spock
Perhaps you think Dungy, too, is a moron for not jumping on the Cutler bandwagon.

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 1, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What set this dude off?

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jun 30, 2009 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evidently

my questioning his first year coach. Go figure.

by bchiper on Jun 30, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is It Just Me?

That is not blinded by the radiance of the great god Cutler and has the temerity to believe that Bowlen, McD, Nolan (a former HC(), ALL of our former O-Line coaches, Nunnelly, Xanders, et. al. won’t be complete morons?

Wow! Where did this Cutler idol worship come from anyway? I have never before experienced such a cult of personality. I can think of a few historical characters… But I am still amazed.

Big BS, do you really think it is persuasive to simply call someone an idiotic stupid moron by using one game in an otherwise perfect season as your example? A game decided by 3 points? Or do you think that by agreeing with you that somehow the past will change, the present will be perfect, and the future superlative? I’m confused about your motives. What possible benefit is there for a Bronco’s fan to grieve over losing Cutler? Shall we don our sackcloth and throw ashes on ourselves because we now have an incompetent coach?

Honestly and truly I would like to know what you would have me do. Anything but force me to read the ranting posts on the DP! (Oh noooooo Mr Bill!)

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how BigBS can troll away...

but when a well put post like this directly questions his posts he is no where to be seen.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jul 1, 2009 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

He just showed up and started acting like a jerk for no reason. Apparently he was in a mood to do some trolling. Your questioning his first year coach was simply the first response to his asininity.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what I love about McDaniels

Seriously, and I’m ashamed to admit it — a 4.42 GPA, and in mathematics.

I must also confess that I call myself a Santa Fe Institute groupie, and the only thing I’ve EVER had autographed are two books authored by the former director (a math prof.) of the SFI.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 1, 2009 2:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Math alludes me.

I’d either be a physician or studying some wiley beast if not for the calculus pre-reques. Not working hard at math in the fundemental stages is one of my biggest regrets. By time I was ready to apply myself, I was lagging so much that I sought out the path of least resistence. I have the soul of a scientist, but not the skill set. I guess I"m occupationaldismorphic. I’m a scientist trapped in the body of a philosopher.

Sorry for the catharsis….

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's common

It’s unfortunately true that having an interest doesn’t necessarily translate into occupational success in a field.

I see mathematics education as an area that has suffered because those who teach it are rarely the best teachers but have entered the field because of their own interest in the subject. In this case, liking math and having the ability to teach it often don’t go together.

Lacking the patience to submit to a tedious curriculum is perfectly understandable.

More to the point — McDaniels achieved at a much higher level than most students, and we can only speculate as to how well ‘Big BS’ did in school, assuming he went. His appraisal of McDaniels’ intelligence isn’t a serious statement — of course — but I’m intrigued by the subject of how his educational attainment aids him. Many of the best coaches are very bright, and Bill Walsh comes to mind here. The subject of math does apply to football but it usually takes someone with an inclination towards math (not necessarily training) to recognize this. Those who don’t see the connection between math and football may be unintentionally revealing what they don’t understand — and perhaps parading it, too.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to be ashamed about

The people who call McDaniels names and suggest that he’s less than bright are showing that they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How idiotic of McDaniels

…to draw up a game plan calling for his offensive lineman to fail to block the Giants pass rush. Plus he let Tyree make that helmetball catch, and then he didn’t remember to remind the DC to have somebody cover Burriss in the end zone.

19-1? What a joke this guy is. Dumb, stupid, idiotic, overrated 18-1…

by JeffG on Jul 1, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"How idiotic of McDaniels "

No kidding! In addition to Tyree’s fabulous catch, it came after Manning made a fabulous escape from several Patriots’ defenders. All this after the Patriots had taken a four point lead with a minute and a half left in the game.
Clearly the fault of McDaniels’ game planning! Golly, the BBS guy sure can analyse football, can’t he?

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game between the Giants/Patriots was a rising occasion for the Giants defense.

They came with a vengence and won the game, can’t fault McDaniels for that. His record speaks for itself, and not speculating the future, one can only hope he does succeed. I see you are a fan of some other team and don’t care about read any snide remarks toward “our” team and where it is headed, the objective is clear, and the road has been paved. We’ll see shortly who is right and who is wrong. Just be cordial in the remarks BigBlue, please…

by bfree2bronc on Jun 30, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants imposed their will in that game

No scheme in the world can be effective when the O-line folds so quickly. I can’t really speak to the coaching faults during that superbowl, because it felt like a lot of what happened on the field was due to the players, not any coaching miscues. Quite simply, the Giants terrorized Brady all game because the Pats O-line failed to do their job. I thought the coaching was pretty even—the whole game felt like a chess match—and the team that executed the best was the team that won.

by bowma101 on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants were more intense than the Patriots

and that trumped everything. It’s easier for the underdogs to be pumped up. If there was a failure in coaching, in terms of failing to have the team emotionally ready to play, it would have to be on Belichick rather than McDaniels.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jul 1, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exposed Oline.

The revision here is the fact that anybody who paid attention knew that there were questions about that Patriot teams oline as the season went on. Some say it was McDs scheming that covered for it during the regular season.

I also seem to remember the Giants having a very good pass rush. A very good one. They deserve a little credit, too.

The guy probably just got lonely. Generally, the ability to write is reason drives the popularity of a blog. Maybe he isn’t getting a lot of business and he needs to travel out to appease himself now and then.

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 1, 2009 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant: to 'write and reason'...

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 1, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you called it, Predominantly Orange
Maybe he isn’t getting a lot of business and he needs to travel out to appease himself now and then.

Just look at his sig. He’s begging for attention.

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 1, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes an idiot!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 1, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a Troll

We shouldn’t engage him, that’s what he wants

by AllBroncsallday on Jul 1, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys

As I recall, BBS is head blogger over at Stampede Blue, a former guest on MHR Radio, and a peer of Guru. Let’s take a step back here and take his comments with a grain of salt. I seriously doubt he is trying to troll us, in the usual sense.

He has his opinion of McDaniels — we have ours. I was rather hoping someone would point him at Sharpe’s excellent summary of rebuttals to the MSM and move on.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jul 2, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He set the tone.

From my point of view, that is information makes his comments more troubling…not less. If Obama comes on and treats me like an idiot and personally attacks anybody— celebrity or not— I’m probably not going to be diplomatic in return. Sorry.

I am an idiot walking a tightrope of fortune and fame
I am an acrobat swinging trapezes through circles of flame
If you've never stared off in the distance, then your life is a shame
and though I'll never forget your face,
sometimes i can't remember my name.
--Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby"

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 2, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame you for feeling that way

Just thought you should know.

I’ll also just add that as “Colts Fan In Chief”, we should take his perspective of Patriots staff with a grain of salt. It would be like a Raider fan giving a Texans fan their impression of Kubes.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am with PO Montana....

He personally attacked members on here…and was VERY degrading in his comments, in particular to KK who is nothing but a gentleman.
He can be the King of Frickin England for all I care, godfather to Guru’s children and best friend of Peyton Manning but it wont change my opinion of him.
I dont blow up easily but BBS is BS.
I am done with the dude!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 2, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points, and...

Flag it. He’s namecalling, he’s trolling, and I don’t care if he’s a friend of the Pope. Flag it and let John sort him out.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 2, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which I did...and which I told BBS I was doing.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 2, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Just wasn’t sure everyone here knew who he was and the fan base he represented (which diametrically loathes anything Patriots related), that’s all. I’m moving on, thanks.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That was pretty unacceptable behavior from an SB Nation admin, IMO.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 2, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McD

I’ve not seen anyone say that McD was HIGHLY over-rated. There are those that assert it, but can’t back it up. My impression is that most people thought highly of McD with reservations about his transition to HC. Similar to the impression most people have of Caldwell.

A lot of intangibles go into every game. The Giants’ defense outplayed the Patriots’ in the superbowl to end McDaniel’s Patriots PERFECT SEASON.

Your team and ours both have new HC’s. I hope they both do very well (of course except for when our two teams meet and then, of course, your HC sucks). As for McD, I prefer hopeful yet watchful optimism over paranoid wariness.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

We don’t have a new OC. Tom Moore is returning next year.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jun 30, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you shed some light?

Are than any league rules that govern how a “consultant”, such as Moore and Mudd are going to be in 2009 (as is my understanding)? Are they able to retire and draw a pension and still effectively work full time hours and be involved on the sidelines or booth on gamedays as a consultant? Just curious how that works.

by 5280FT on Jun 30, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Superbowl

McDaniels was OC for SB XLII (1/23/08), so he has been to the superbowl. And, to emphasize, the Patriots had a PERFECT season going into the superbowl.

McDaniels was with the Patriots when they went to the Superbowl in 2004, 2005 and 2008. The Colts have not been there since 2007 (their first since 1971).

BTW, you said the Patriots scored 17. The Giants scored 17 and the Patriots 14.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost
McDaniels was with the Patriots when they went to the Superbowl in 2004, 2005 and 2008

The Pats went to the 2007 SB and missed 2008 after Brady went down. According to NFL.com, the 2005 SB was Pitt against Seattle with Pitt Winning. I think that you are referring to the dates of the SB, not the year/season that it represents, yes? Carolina beat NE in SB 2003, NE won in 2002 (representing the 2001 season), both before McD was there. But of course, suggesting that after what he did with the NE offense over a 4 year span, including the incredible run in 2007, during which his offense has out scored Indy’s, that he’s unqualified as a head coach is just pulling someone’s leg. Big BS knows that. He comes by when he’s bored. Just another troll.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 30, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dates

Yes. The SB dates are for the year following the regular season year.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

2001

McDaniels was not the OC, but he was with the team in regular season 2001.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So was the waterboy

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're a good sport, Endzone

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your look into the stats...

certainly shows correlation to McDaniels taking over the Offense and its subsequent success. Nice work. Of course the over skill level was already set for him to fine tune. And the Pats had a decent Defense in place as well. I believe he will be the catalyst for the Broncos being an ever improving team over the next couple of years. I sure hope he proves me right in my thinking.

by bchiper on Jun 30, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonder what bowlen used to make his determination?

Did Josh give him a convincing interview, or did Pat have some stats to start with? Am really curious what made him decide on Mc Daniels.

Each week that brings us closer to the ultimate prize,

by Punkin Head on Jun 30, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice reminder...

McD bashers and MSM “journalists” tend to conjure an image of McDaniels walking into Bowlen’s office, adjusting his diapers, putting down his pacifier, and then throwing a tantrum until he was hired as the head coach.

I mean, c’mon already…

Bowlen is acknowledged around the league (even by former players and coaches – yes that means Shanahan, too) as “one of the best owners in football.” (geez… even Brandon Marshall said it when he was/is trying to force a trade). Bowlen didn’t all of a sudden become senile when McDaniels arrived for his interview.

As a result of Bowlen’s excellent reputation around the NFL, I had a baseline amount of respect for McDaniels from the start, an amount that allowed me to wait and dig a little deeper into his decisions to see what was behind them before throwing a hissy-fit and pronouncing him a “fool.”

I was originally pulling for Spags to get the job here, but if Bowlen was blown away by McDaniels, who am I to say he didn’t know what he was doing? I am more than willing to say Bowlen has forgotten more about football and running a NFL franchise than I will ever learn.

By the way, Bear, I rec’d your response. Just loved the reminder and logical progression of detail, yet again.

How many days until the season starts?

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."

by BroncTastic on Jun 30, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you've hit the mark, BT

The problem with the stories we’ve heard is that they are caricatures. We’ve heard these repeatedly and they never have more than a passing semblance to anything that’s factually derived. Caricature appeals to those who know virtually nothing about a person, and the people writing these stories often seem to know barely more than that.

It should have dawned on people that caricatured stories lack a little something in believability. But, as I’ve said before, many people still ‘bought it.’

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 1, 2009 1:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncobear

Was that article here or elsewhere? I really would like to read it and hope nyc jumps in and gives us a link. Obviously McDaniels had an idea of what kind of team and players he wanted in place long before his interviews, and no doubt this was part of his presentation. But I don’t think a generic description of “how I would turn a team around” would have impressed Bowlen and Ellis as much as a detailed presentation based on the actual situation he’d be inheriting if hired. I suspect what is most remarkable about his presentation is how rapidly he analyzed our existing personnel and came up with a plan to fix this team.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elsewhere, my friend.

As I say – someone around here should remember it – it was in the past couple of weeks (I think – we’re buying a house….)

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

I’m sorry, spock – I thought that you were referencing a different article. I put that timeline together over the winter from all of the press releases and all the info that was at least backed up by the Broncos. It was quite a few articles, but that same thread ran within each.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jun 30, 2009 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see

I probably read all those articles. There were just a couple of details above that I didn’t remember. Perhaps early stage of Alzhei . . .

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easter

Hiding your own easter eggs, Spock?

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

something else to keep in mind is that McD had thoroughly scouted the Broncs a few times!

He had a pretty good idea of what might be needed here… hence a 41-7 drubbing of our team, which, imho, looked like a complete butt whooping! So I thought McD’ " MIGHT" be exactly what the Dr. (Bowlen ) ordered?

by Pmac54 on Jun 30, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info.

Sorry i did’nt get to read it till today. Am very busy most days and squeek in a few moments to get my bronco fix. No better place than right here taking in what all you knowledgable fellow fans have to say. I wasn’t sure what criteria Bowlen had to decide on McDaniels. Thanks again Broncobear!

Each week that brings us closer to the ultimate prize,

by Punkin Head on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncobear, your comment is worthy of it's own posting.

Great job. I am in awe of your clear thinking and concise writing.

Thank you.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jul 1, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dennison

The reports I heard is that Dennison had a better than expected interview. i think it was for the same reasons in that he has an understanding of defense being a former LB. An understanding of offense being OC and OL coach and he had understanding of ST by his former responsibility as ST coordinator. I appreciate your insight.

by 3nS on Jul 2, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice guy, too...

I met him on several occasions at a church I used to attend. Real nice guy, real nice family.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."

by BroncTastic on Jul 3, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of a run game

“The Patriots had an 88% which is exceptional and indicates the Patriot offense scored more points than the amount of yards the team gained would suggest. This attests to the amount of tournovers, field position, and offensive efficiency of the Patriots. The Broncos on the other hand had a horrible 158.8 % indicating the vast amount of yardage the team gained did not translate into points. Once again it can be attested to the lack of turnovers and horrible special teams of the Broncos the past 3 years. This also shows how the Broncos were great between the 20s but could not score.”

Denver hasn’t had a back to back starter since Clinton Portis. Shanahan traded for Bailey at the expense of Portis and the blind confidence in being able to find a RB to fit the system. Denver has been a team that could move the ball well between the 20s. No team has run the ball more in 3rd down than Denver and believe that to be an aberration when the totals are reviewed at the running totals.

Denver should be better this year and simply because the commitment to the run won’t be a game to game circus or year to year egg hunt. The sooner we commit to one RB the better off this team will be.

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Jun 30, 2009 3:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. This team needed a star runningback and I think we've finally found one in Moreno...hopefully.

I think that Denver’s offense was too predictable last year. All that we could do was throw the ball. I mean, once in a while, we would have a great day running the ball, but we need to run the ball more effectively and keep the defense on their heels. I think with the addition of Moreno, our backfield has finally reached the level of elite.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Jun 30, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rush Squadron

I agree we need a running game again. I don’t believe it needs to be in the hands of a “star”. The Pats under McD were clearly known as a throwing team. No star running back. But do you know what they did in rush yards and rush attempts? #6 in Yards per game. #4 in attempts per game. I am not opposed to the group effort (although is sucks for Fantasy Football) as long as we are a top 10+ rush team.

by Bradoncadonc on Jun 30, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had an effective running game despite the injuries

We just didn’t use it.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Zone

Yes, we did have an effective running game. But Bates seemed to always want to pass in the red zone.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now he's gone

I’ll miss him so.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Jun 30, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I can practically see the sarcasm dripping off your post Spock. Love it…and agree 100%. It will be nice to be dangerous in the red zone again and not so predictable.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jul 1, 2009 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what McDaniels stated in one interview. the bottom line is to 'score' more points.

I’m not sure if he was aiming that statement directly at Cutler or the coaches involved in last years crash at the goal line. It will be interesting to see what the sports writers say if the offense is 16th in total years and 2nd in scoring. The flip side of last years stats.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will not take long for us to see how prepared McD is to be HC.

I think that we will be happy with what we see. He brings a passion in his desire to put things together and have each part work the best that it can. In Shanahan’s first year as HC, after all of the final cuts were made, he said now let’s come together as a team. McD is working to do that as well.

I think that the Giants game will be a big personal battle for him to beat pretty much the same team that won the SB over his team.

Bear, excellent post on how he presented himself and his program. I love seeing anyone well prepared. We can’t know everything but we can be prepared.

by Blackknigh on Jun 30, 2009 7:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Technician vs Boss

I’ve been in business many years. The most dramatic success or failure has always been when a superb employee (technician) becomes a boss. McDaniels, in my opinion, has proven a superb technician. Time will tell if he can be a boss. But again, my experience has been that a technician takes a little time to achieve success as a boss and almost no time to fail.

by Endzone on Jun 30, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..............................

Bring on the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ just kidding with all that, except I would luv 4 this season 2 get under way~////////……………..

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird how McDaniels suddenly became good when Moss and Welker showed up...

But I mean, I’m sure it’s all coaching.

Sure glad we’ve got 2 great WRs and a stud QB! Err…well at least we’ve still got 2 good WRs…err…1 good WR…

by SethGrandpa on Jul 1, 2009 11:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Be fair, SG

It’s not like the production of the offense in the two years preceding Moss was exactly poor. Every team plays better with better players.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 1, 2009 11:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It goes two ways

I think its misrepresentative to imply that Moss and Welker made McD. Before the Pats traded for him, Moss was known as a massive character risk who festered on a bad team and then quit on them. As I recall the Pats only had to give up a fourth rounder for him (Now that’s getting some value out of your pick) because no one else wanted him. His talent was prodigious, but he was far from a sure thing at that time. And in the same vein, no one expected that kind of production out of Welker either. He was a good return man but as a receiver, he only caught 1 TD in three years with the Dolphins. Its not like anyone expected back to back 100 catch years. The Pats were smart enough to find under-utilized receivers and squeeze as much out of them as they could, and McD was an essential part of that. Keep in mind, Moss didn’t break the receiving TD’s record and Welker didn’t catch over 100 passes in two years before they were in McD’s offense. I’d say, given the pair’s production with their previous teams when they were picked up, McD had a profound effect on how they are now viewed in the football world. He helped them as much as they might have helped him.

by bowma101 on Jul 3, 2009 3:27 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent reply to SG's comment

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."

by BroncTastic on Jul 3, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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