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Around SBN: Ellenberger vs. Sanchez Heats Up, Hughes Talks Retirement

Horse Tracks 6/8/09

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LCD - Peyton's wild ride
Peyton Hills' hometown paper profiles and interviews the second-year Bronco. Hillis discusses his recovery from his hamstring injury, adjusting to the new offense, and trying to initiate a little bit less contact.

Denver Daily - Saccomano has seen it all
Joshua Wolpe profiles longtime Broncos PR boss Jim Saccomano, who reflects upon his 30+ years with the team.

DP - Advertising logos on unis? Broncos alter their practice
Sounds like the Broncos are going to slap corporate logos on their practice jerseys and team up with the state lottery. Times are tough...

DP - Awards roll in for voice of CU football
Dusty Saunders profiles old friend Larry Zimmer.

Star-divide

SDUT - A fallen star's burnout
Brent Schrotenboer profiles the late Chris Mims, the fifth member of the '94 Dolts team that made the Super Bowl to have since passed. Unreal.

KCS - Chiefs’ secondary has gone through its growing pains

KCS - Todd Haley recaps Chiefs minicamp (Video)

NFL - Report: Favre had surgery on throwing shoulder, still considering return
Here we go; the next chapter in the Favre drama is here! (puke)

ESPN - Ex-Indianapolis Colts coaches to start as consultants Aug. 1
Howard Mudd and Tom Moore will be "involved big time," according to Colts owner Jim Irsay.

SI - A USO guest list for the ages, Harrison unplugged and more - Peter King
PK talks with The Dirtiest Player In History, recaps a rough week for Stink's kid.

NFP - Sunday At The Post
Mike Lombardi is hearing good things out of Denver about Kyle Orton and Chris Simms.

NFL - Fullbacks continue to fight off blockers, extinction in modern NFL
Bucky Brooks examines the relevance of fullbacks in today's game.

CBS - Redefining Reggie: Bush isn't just another back
Pete Prisco thinks we all need to look at Reggie Bush in a different light.

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Nice NYC...

Damn I love me some Hillis!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Jun 8, 2009 6:01 AM MDT reply actions  

COWBELL!!!

I know it, boydy! The kid is something special and I can’t wait to see him at work in the new scheme! I really really wanted a Hillis jersey, but they don’t have orange ones yet (maybe after this year).

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on Jun 8, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Morning NYC

Ads on jerseys?? What is this, the CFL??

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jun 8, 2009 6:03 AM MDT reply actions  

We're talkin' about practice...

I don’t know if anyone is actually concerned about advertising on practice jerseys… I think the main concern is the Domino Theory: That eventually the ads will be on game jerseys and helmets. That’s like saying that having advertising on the scoreboard would lead to end zones painted with corporate logos instead of the home team’s colors.

There is the sacred space of the field and the players during the game… and then there is everything else.

To quote Jules from Pulp fiction: “…Ain’t the same f***in’ ballpark, it ain’t the same league, it ain’t even the same f***in’ sport. Look, [advertising on jerseys] don’t mean sh*t.”

by Velveeta on Jun 8, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sure Jules

and I’ll be first in line for that Cheetos orange practice jersey. O.o

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jun 8, 2009 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Personally

I vow to not buy or use the products of anyone that slaps there logo on my football team.

Sadly though this is going to happen someday.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jun 8, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know I haven't used Invesco in quite awhile

er, ever. ^^

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jun 8, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do think Velveeta makes a good point above

but a road paved with advertising dollars is on a bit of a slippery slope.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Jun 8, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait...what about a Royal with Cheese?

"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels

by Colorado_Kitten on Jun 8, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your the Best NYC

Thanks

With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg

by KaptainKirk on Jun 8, 2009 6:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice article on the role of fullbacks by Brooks

He covered that topic well. Thanks to you, too, nyc!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 8, 2009 6:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Just read some DP comments again.

Really makes me appreciate what we have here.

by Velveeta on Jun 8, 2009 7:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Hm... sounds rather familiar...

“Now that’s not to say they didn’t land some good football players who will contribute immediately as well as in the future but considering their extensive list of needs and ample compilation of draft picks they should have done much better.”

"Felis silvestris cactus JB, 2009."

by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 8, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, TB

As Scoobie Doo would say — hwwwwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 8, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I generally like Wright

His biggest complaint seems to be with drafting Moreno, which strikes me as a poor understanding of draft strategy — strange, given his status. I won’t try to reiterate all of my previous comments on this particular subject but there’s a statistical fallacy evident in Wright’s thinking. Partly, he didn’t like Moreno as much as most draftniks, but he also uses an invalid form of logic.

To summarize what I’ve written on this — it makes prescriptive what’s elective. Wright says we should have taken another RB because there’s an extended value range at RB. And it’s true that there’s an extended value range, but this shouldn’t preclude us taking highly rated RB fairly early. The real question is how high? The twelfth pick isn’t that high, so taking a RB at that point shouldn’t be controversial. Normally we’re talking about the risk giving a lot of guaranteed money to a player who’s a non-impact player or playing at a non-impact position, which are valid arguments. The problem with this ‘impact’ criterion is that ignores risk even while appearing to address it. Wright would have us take Orakpo despite the poorness of the fit and boom/bust indications, both of which make him a far riskier pick.

The Fallacy of the Three Foot River + Any RB will Succeed in the Bronco System

Wright subscribes to the ‘RBs are a dime a dozen’ belief, which I’ve advocated in a modified form, but there are important differences in our beliefs. Wright says wait and pick a RB later, which I regard as stereotypical thinking. It’s like saying that since in the ideal draft there’s a RB taken in the 2nd round, because that’s where the greatest cost-effective return lies, so that’s when you must pick one. What’s true on average isn’t necessarily true in the particular, so even though what Wright advocates may be absolutely true in the general sense it can mean almost nothing when it comes to deciding an individual pick. Wright misses the logic when he says — in essence — that any RB will pretty much do in our system, a now well-known Bronco myth. The idea is that you can do OK with a lesser talent at RB, which is a form of marginal analysis. But by the same logic a better RB should do even better given our strength in the run game, so why not do even better?

The idea is that added talent only makes you ‘so’ much better for every added amount of talent. My problem with this analysis is that it’s all about becoming minimally competent rather than good. We know we can operate with scrubs but we’ll never become excellent that way.

 What’s wrong with turning our running game into a great strength? Especially now that Cutler is gone, and particularly because we need a ball control offense to take some weight off our defense, shouldn’t we want to be excellent rather than just OK?

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I’d like to discuss this article more, perhaps you could start a topic on it, McGeorge. What do you think?

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 8, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, NYC.

"Felis silvestris cactus JB, 2009."

by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 8, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Two things I took from the Hillis article ...

…point to the same thing. “Avoiding the hits” and “people are looking at me for more leadership” means they [I read “coaches” here] see him being a key, productive player that they want productive for a long time. Just reinforces what most of us at MHR think. I love seeing the film of Hillis running ‘em over, but I’d rather see him effective for > 16 games per season!

by MakeCents on Jun 8, 2009 5:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Clayton is Back

This guy never ceases to amaze me. The mail from a Bronco fan he chose to write to this time is priceless.

John, I am a die-hard Broncos fan, and I honestly cannot comprehend what the Broncos are trying to do. Orton for Cutler? What are the possibilities or options on the Broncos acquiring Michael Vick or Vince Young? At least then we would have a QB who could pick up a first down with his feet, and still complete the checkdowns.

Chris in Texas

A: No chance of the Denver Broncos doing something with Vick or considering a trade for Vince Young. Neither of them fits the type of quarterback Josh McDaniels wants, an accurate quarterback who can work out of the pocket. Even though Young was a winner as a starter in Tennessee, he isn’t the type of pocket passer who fits McDaniels style, and it’s pretty obvious he values his system of offense. And I’m still getting bombed by e-mails from Broncos fans wondering why I’m questioning the trade of Jay Cutler. Kyle Orton is good. Cutler is better. We stand together in our thinking./blockquote>

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jun 8, 2009 8:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Quote Was Supposed

to go around all of the rest of the writing as that is from Clayton’s column.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jun 8, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

priceless

"If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

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