Draft Countdown Analysis of Denver's 2009 Draft
Thanks to McGeorge for bringing this to my attention; hope he jumps over here to add his commentary!
Can't say I agree with everything, but it makes some valid points. Guess that's why they play the game, right?
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I don't get it
The guy rips virtually every pick, but then says that each one is good. I thought that his grade was right on, but his analysis didn’t do much for me. I just didn’t understand it.
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by wtnelson on Jun 8, 2009 3:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a decent analysis of the draft...
but falls short of being a complete analysis of the team’s offseason. The writer is saying that we got good talent and value in almost every pick, and he even predicts good production, but the players picked do not correspond to his idea of what the team’s needs were. Also, the writer probably didn’t factor in other offseason acquisitions such as Fields or Goodman into this article.
In this article he is ultimately questioning the judgment of management, and to be honest that IS probably the biggest question this season. Will McDaniels and the staff be up to the job or not ?? I happen to agree with the overall approach that I see from McDaniels and respect his potentially lethal combination of youthful energy, deep coaching roots, and ambition….so I am for the most part giving him the benefit of the doubt and looking for the logic in the moves that he is making. For someone who doesn’t see or value these qualities in a coach, I can see why they might be a little nervous or upset.
Thanks to McGeorge for originally putting this article out there and the getting slammed for posting it in the wrong place. I’ll have my Kool-Aid with a shot of bitters, thanks…
by anotherNYCbroncofan on Jun 8, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Wright is a horse's ass!
I have to wonder about all the bias, doubletalk and revisionist history. He gives them a B- even though “some” doubt McDaniels and Co. “can run the franchise on draft day.” Had the Broncos drafted Orakpo, Jenkins or Sanchez at #12, “they” would have had no such doubts. Hiding behind “some” and “they” is real chickens%#t, isn’t it?
Orakpo, whom he initially criticized as “inconsistent…motor runs hot and cold,” “not overly stout at the point of attack and can be run at,” and “a bit of a tweener” is now “the best pass rusher.” Is he bipolar or what! And not using the 12th pick on an undersized defensive end who can be run at, isn’t “running the franchise on draft day”!
What about Malcom Jenkins morphing from a “bit of a CB/S tweener” to the “best defensive back,” which is not an actual position. Not to mention the bust potential that˜ he can’t play either. Of course, already having Goodman signed to be a starter at CB and having signed two starting safeties, including the best in the league would have made using #12 on Jenkins ridiculously wasteful.
Moreno, his #2 ranked RB now lacks any “special qualities.” Wright’s earlier description: “outstanding vision and instincts,” “explosive,” “tough,” “super competitive,” “terrific change of direction skills” and “great hands.” WTF?
What had me laughing myself to tears was that Wright contends that the Broncos should have drafted Orakpo or Jenkins (or Sanchez) even though “there is little doubt that Moreno’s going to have a great 2009 season and he might be the Offensive Rookie of the Year front-runner.” Did he really say that?
Ayers, his #5 DE, and a four star first rounder like Orakpo, whom he described as “can hold his ground against the run,” “tough, aggressive and plays with a nasty demeanor,” “still improving and has upside” now has “serious bust potential” — as an outside linebacker. Except Ayers will probably play DE.
Seems to me like that is a solid grade for the draft, and that’s all nfldraftcountdown is about. He does not factor in what the Broncos have done on free agency, or what they are trying to do scheme-wise at all. Beyond that, F U Scott Wright!
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by littletinybroncos on Jun 8, 2009 8:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for writing that
so that I didn’t have to.
Too much draft “grading” these days is based on the draft meeting perceived needs — even as these same draft gurus run story after story about the wisdm of drafting for talent and not reaching for need.
Which is how we end up with draft “experts” loving the players taken yet panning the draft. It’s maddening.
by JeffG on Jun 8, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're welcome
I didn’t have time to look up the spelling for patootie. I found it in urban dictionary finally.
"I told him (Montrae), don't worry, you'll pass out before you die" -- Rick Tuten
by littletinybroncos on Jun 8, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huzzah
That is some very good article-analysis, ltb. You should send it to him in an e-mail and ask him to defend his flip-flopping. I would be very interested to hear his response.
No stairway? ...denied!
by papigrande on Jun 9, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have used tuchus...
I liked your analysis: Very well done and stated. I have been surprised at the level of inconsistency that Wright has developed. His time spent arguing with his own analysis of the players is kind of bizarre. Thanks for doing some effective research on that – it’s important to recognize that whatever his perspective, he’s not willing to consider his own logic, which is borderline schizophrenic.
So, Moreno might be Offensive Rookie of the Year and is explosive, has great vision and instincts, tough and has great hands but has no special qualities? I personally liked Jenkins and still do, but I think that the combination of Ayers and Smith (of whom he said that there isn’t much to not like) seems intelligent and for my money the choice of Ayers is a big step up over anyone at his position that we could have gotten at the beginning of Round 2. Gaining a potential OROY can’t be a bad thing, especially after last season and the PS guys that we had to field. Serious – ranking a draft before we even get to training camp is absurd, but ranking a draft before training camp and arguing with your own conclusions is just plain ridiculous!
Now, I’m going to go off and have a long talk with myself about this, and I hope that every one of me will come and join in…..
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jun 8, 2009 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins was very enjoyable to watch
Just a solid all around player who makes a great “last line of defense”. That is how I like my safeties, but I think I can dig what they are looking at in guys like McBath and Butler.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 10, 2009 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I think its a fair assessment of the draft and everything that guy said could prove true. We could be hurting on D and we could have overestimated the talent on our picks. I also think draft analysis is all about “feel good” stuff and short on real insight. We can’t really know. Even all the professionals say this stuff is a shot in the dark and make fun of draft analysis. I think the more different opinions you read from different angles with logical analysis (like this one) the more you can prepare for all possibilities. I think many have gotten rosy on the draft here at MHR b/c so much of it defies Conventional Wisdom. As such, its perfect for everyone at MHR because after a deeper look it seems to make great sense. At this point, everyone should agree that McD thinks different than most and follows his own tune. We won’t know if that tune is any good until August. As it is, I’m a 13-3er
by BideshiBronco on Jun 9, 2009 8:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bronco Bear -- you're the shiznit!
Going back and looking at the initial analyses I couldn’t hardly wait for camp and hope to see you there!
I had the impression he really liked Zo and then kind of turned on him. To bootyhead’s credit he didn’t diss the Quinn pick like “some” and gave Faders a D!
"I told him (Montrae), don't worry, you'll pass out before you die" -- Rick Tuten
by littletinybroncos on Jun 9, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s common (and foolish) to bash Orakpo. The guy is both a workout warrior and 1st team All America on game day. His commitment to football is unquestionable. I wish Jarvis Moss had the same dedication to the game and weight room as Orakpo. Orakpo didn’t look like a future BUST when he decimated Oklahoma in the red river shootout (2 sacks, 1 FF and 1 Fumble recovery). But Denver didn’t need to draft him because we have Elvis (IMO our best front seven player) and the two are similar.
Jenkins is another guy that just plays like a stud on game day. He also comes from a school that has recently produced several top NFL CBs. Maybe some of you guys don’t value All American teams and college production so I’ll assume you guys must hate Alphonso Smith as well.
As for Ayres, of course he has bust potential. He had one decent college season and a good Sr Bowl. Before that, the guy was pretty invisible over his first three years at Tennessee. Denver picked him where several folks had him projected (including Wright) because he has considerable upside. But if you don’t see that there is clearly risk with this pick, your head is in the sand. If nothing else, based on college performance (IMO the most important consideration) Ayers is far more risky than Orakpo.
Like many draft analysts, Scott Wright wanted to see the Broncos draft a few more defensive front seven players. Maybe these writers did factor in our FA signings and they just don’t love the idea of Fields, McBean and Patterson starting on our D-line. Maybe they don’t love Andra Davis at ILB, Moss and Crowder at OLB. Do you guys? These NFL writers might not believe in our defensive front seven as much as the readers of MHR.
As for Sanchez, he is everything Cutler is not. A team player, enthusiastic, oozes leadership and charisma. He’s said to be accurate, smart and a student of the game. He just doesn’t have a big arm like most 1st round QBs. While I’m glad Denver didn’t trade up for him, I’m surprised to see the same people that hate on Cutler hate on Sanchez. Those two couldn’t be more different as players. If you didn’t like Cutler, Sanchez is the perfect elixir.
The goal in the NFL is to win games. Wright implies Denver got decent value with many of their picks, but he doesn’t believe the guys we selected will lead to an improved W-L record.
by McGeorge on Jun 9, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely correct McGeorge
“As for Sanchez, he is everything Cutler is not. A team player, enthusiastic, oozes leadership and charisma. He’s said to be accurate, smart and a student of the game. He just doesn’t have a big arm like most 1st round QBs. While I’m glad Denver didn’t trade up for him, I’m surprised to see the same people that hate on Cutler hate on Sanchez. Those two couldn’t be more different as players. If you didn’t like Cutler, Sanchez is the perfect elixir.”
Sanchez is everything Chicago thinks Cutler will be….except a savior. He’s not a “savior” because in my opinion, the Jets don’t need “saving”, they just need a guy that’s gonna get it done and not make stupid decisions. They found him.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
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