2009 Denver Broncos - Breaking Down the Roster - Tight Ends
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 11:30 AM MDT
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Going into the draft, a lot of folks expected that tight end was one position where the Broncos would stand pat. Before the first pick of the third round, that belief bit the dust. The Broncos shocked many observers by taking on second-round pick Richard Quinn. Having graduated from North Carolina in December of 2008, Quinn has a reputation as a talented blocker whose receiving skills were suspect, due to lack of evidence (12 receptions in his college career, which had several pre-NFL players on the roster). Tony Scheffler was the subject of trade rumors. Was Quinn a replacement? Where were the Broncos going?
That brought a lot of confusion to what had seemed like a simple circumstance. The Broncos had learned to lean on Daniel Graham, steady blocker/receiver and the head of their TE corps and big target Tony Scheffler, one of the players that Jay Cutler looked to in tough situations. Jeb Putzier, a former Bronco returning to the fold, had seemed to be a lock to make the roster this season, but that is currently up in the air. Taking this one player at a time, let's look at why the Broncos may have made this move and what it might mean during the 2009 season.
6-3 257 Nov 16, 1978 Colorado 3/6/2007: Signed a five-year, $30 million contract. The deal included a $10 million signing bonus and a first-year roster bonus of $5 million. 2009: $3.2 million, 2010: $3.8 million, 2011: $4.2 million, 2012: Free Agent
Daniel Graham
#89 / Tight End / Denver Broncos
After five highly productive seasons with New England, Graham was an unrestricted free agent looking to increase his pass receptions. He decided to join Mike Shanahan's high-powered offense and was soon discouraged by the fact that he was still looked at as a blocker/receiver with equal skills at both. However, as a consummate professional, Graham puts the good of the team in front of personal stats and gratification, providing the Broncos' offense with leadership, skill and consistent effort. He averages 25 receptions per season, but his value is incalculable.
Graham's role is unlikely to change in the coming season. The Broncos will use him extensively in single- and double-tight end sets, as both a blocker and a receiver. It's worth considering that a professional football player's average career is just under 4 years, and Graham is coming into his 8th season. He may contribute at a high level for seasons yet to come, but it was time for the Broncos to look at the future as well.
Tony Scheffler
#88 / Tight End / Denver Broncos
6-5
250
Feb 15, 1983
Western Michigan
2009: $535,000, 2010: Free Agent
Scheffler's skill set is dominated by his soft hands and talents as a receiver. Scheffler turned down a scholarship to Harvard University to stay close to home and attend Western Michigan. He also turned down situations at Michigan and Michigan State in order to play both baseball and football. WMU wasn't a Division I school; he wasn't used much as a blocker and didn't develop the skill. They also lacked much of a training program and Scheffler had never spent much time in a weight room before training for the Combine. So although he's always been blessed with a tremendous physique, Scheffler lacked both the strength and technique to excel as a blocker. His skills as a receiver have more than made up for that.
Scheffler runs good routes and has good concentration, looking the ball into his hands on most throws. Technically, he's still developing as a receiver as well as a blocker. He was plagued by injuries during his first two years in the league, but stayed generally healthy last season. He's averaged 44.5 receptions for each of the past two seasons and his skill at blocking as well as his strength have continued to improve steadily. To put things in perspective, how many players have caught 107 passes for 1,480 yards and 12 touchdowns while only playing in 40 games over a three-year time frame as a tight end?
Despite vapor-ware rumors of his impending trade, Josh McDaniels met with Scheffler over the late winter and assured him of the role that was waiting in the Broncos' new offense. That began to manifest over the OTAs, and you can look for the Broncos' offense to spend plenty of time making use of a player whose time in the 40-yard dash was only 0.04 seconds off that of Brandon Marshall's, and who is both taller and stronger than the wideout. Marshall may sit out for a while - if Josh McDaniels doesn't look concerned, Tony Scheffler is a big reason why.
Quinn is a player whose frame is still filling out and stands a good chance of adding 10+ lb. of pure muscle during his first few years of NFL life. He graduated from the University of North Carolina in December of 2008 with a degree in sports science and stunned more than a few observers by becoming the Broncos' third pick in the second round (64th overall) in the 2009 NFL draft. Stuffed into a box as a 'blocking TE', Quinn only pulled in 12 receptions during games in college, but folks sometimes forget that his team had multiple receivers who would go on to NFL careers. Quinn showed off his receiving chops and sometimes surprising athleticism at the Combine and the Broncos saw the future in those 9.5-inch hands.
"Just give me a chance and I'll get it done for you." That's what Quinn told teams at the Combine and the Broncos are counting on it.
Jeb Putzier
#87 / Tight End / Denver Broncos
6-4
256
Jan 20, 1979
Boise State
3/15/2009: Signed a one-year contract
Originally drafted by the Broncos with a 6th-round pick (191st overall) back in 2002, Jeb has returned to the Broncos on what appears to be the downside of a good career. At 6'4" and 256 lbs., Putzier was never a very strong blocker, but pulled in 36 and 37 passes respectively, in 2004 and 2005. However, over the past 3 seasons he's only garnered 19 total passes and since his blocking skills are not his strongest suit, it's likely that Putzier is only camp fodder this year. Broncos fans will wish him well - he was well liked by fans and teammates alike.
Marquez Branson: An undrafted college free agent who is listed at 6'3" 248 pounds out of Central Arkansas, Branson is slightly undersized for the pro game. But his production, receiving skills and Pro Day times, which included a run timed at 4.55 (his average was 4.71 at Combine but he had little training at running an unequipped 40) had him rated above Richard Quinn by ESPN Insider. SI.com rated Branson at 3.35 and Quinn at 3.55 (higher numbers are better in that system, based on BLESTO's 1-5 rating). Branson caught 18 TD passes in his last two years of college (he transferred from junior college in 2006) which lead his team. He caught 45 balls in his senior season alone. Branson also boasted a 35-inch vertical leap at the Combine, unusual for TEs. His Pro Day numbers are remarkable in that he ran even better at the UCA Pro Day than at the Combine, with times of 4.55, 4.67 and 4.66. He also posted a 36" vertical, a 4.40 short shuttle and a 7.29 3-cone.
He is tenacious, if raw, as a blocker. His ten-inch hands are made for receiving, and with his other abilities, a place on the practice squad, if not the regular team, is likely for the Mississippi native. He's as quick as he is fast and agile. He is still gaining in height and has the frame to fill out and increase his weight if he can find the right situation with an NFL team. Given his receiving production and athletic skills, that seems likely. He could even develop as a pass-catching fullback if he can improve his blocking skills.
Looking Ahead to 2009: One source that wasn't surprised by the Broncos' choice of Richard Quinn was Rivals.com. They considered him to be a second-round pick - third round at the worst, which matched what the Broncos saw in him. This is what they had to say:
"Is big, strong and physical and could turn out to be a better pro than college player. Would be a great fit for a run-first offense such as that of the Dolphins, 49ers or Patriots."
That brought up an interesting question - Will the Broncos be a run-first offense this year? Some observers are starting to think so. While it's probable to me that 'run-first' is an overstatement, with power options like Peyton Hillis, whose receiving skills are inarguable and the power/skill pairing of Knowshon Moreno the Broncos have the players to move the ball with their backs either rushing or receiving. That makes the need for two good tight ends to be ready to take the field even more imperative (especially against the 3-4 defenses fielded by San Diego and Kansas City). Since Scheffler is still proving to be a better receiver than blocker, Quinn's slot is ready-made.
If you simply consider the importance the TE position has in defeating the 3-4 defense, factor in the receiving possibilities with Scheffler and Branson (much less Graham and Quinn) and look at the fact that McDaniels has played with the 3-TE option in the past, it's hard not to see why Xanders and McDaniels wanted an upgrade at the position. Now they have three unusually talented TEs, each with a unique skill set and an interesting project in Marquez Branson. This is a big strength to a team that will need production from the position to be successful in 2009.
Tight end is a position often doomed to being ignored, more interesting to the casual observer in its lack than its predominance. But the Broncos are a team with great depth on offense and their TE corps is an unusually good example. They are looking to the present and the future, filling out the position before the need is desperate and now have the players to play a pass- or run-heavy approach to the position, permitting them great flexibility to their game plans. Those who enjoy the position as much as I do will take pleasure in how the McDaniels offense uses the players that it has amassed. Those who await the beginnings of a 3-TE formation becoming accepted have to be interested in the Broncos due to their rare combination of players and a coach who has experimented with the 3-TE set in the past. Regardless of how the pieces are used, 2009 will be a good year for TEs.
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Great Post!!
Should be an exciting season for the Broncos and I really cant think of a better tight end group, from top to bottom, than the Broncos. I also believe this could be a huge year for Graham receiving, because Quinn may be able to take a large share of his former blocking duties.
On To Victory!!!
by alacumba!! on Jul 13, 2009 11:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Graham be the biggest surprise camp cut?
The best recipe for developing a defense is to draft and sign terrific defensive players like Baltimore and Pitt have done.
A lot of scouts really like Quinn. Most mock drafts had him as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I’d never heard of him, but I’m excited to see what all the fuss is about. There are precious few excellent blocking TEs in today’s game. Graham is one of them, but I guess we don’t have him penciled in long term. Will Graham be a surprise camp cut? He is pretty expensive if we already have someone that can fill his roll.
Can Quinn play special teams, especially on the coverage units?
by McGeorge on Jul 13, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
overlooked Carolina TEs
It was hard for the amateur draftniks to get a bead on Quinn — although he still rated somewhat high (~4th or so). Better sites had him much higher and rising (e.g. Countdown or Cooney’s DS) but the tendency was to rate the pass catchers higher and begrudgingly give Quinn and Hill their due (and Pettigrew, too, of course).
The problem is that many people don’t have a grip on how blocking TEs fit into today’s game, and tend to relegate the blocking TEs to a bygone era in which running the ball ruled and blocking TEs were glorified OLs. The truth is that the blocking TEs are part of a recent innovation rather than outdated style of play. Blocking ‘rush LBs’ in a division with three 3-4 defenses (2 of the other 3 teams) isn’t a trivial need, and they’re very useful for ZB teams, which certainly fits us.
I don’t pretend to be an “X and O” guy but it also seems obvious that a blocking TE would be useful in one-back sets, too. I also can’t help but wonder if the TE has importance when dealing with Tampa 2 teams, who have a vulnerability in the seam.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't suggest that Graham would be but
He’s a very talented player who is not extraordinarily expensive. His salary for the year is 3.2 million. In addition to his blocking skills Graham is very good with the ball.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a big surprise if Graham were cut… But if Quinn emerges as a legit blocking stud that we need to get on the field ASAP, me thinks he’d take Graham’s spot instead of the pass catching Scheffler. 12 catches over 4 years tells me this kid has a lot further to go as a pass catchers than as a blocker.
We’re not going to ride $3.2mm on the bench. And our tackles are both good enough to not need much TE help is pass protection. We don’t need TWO blocking TEs with Clady and Harris at LT/RT.
I’m assuming an awful lot of Quinn as a rookie, so it’s a long shot Graham gets the axe. I hope not. Dan was great last season.
by McGeorge on Jul 13, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am almost absolutely positive Graham will not be cut.
First off, I think if ANYthing, Graham would be traded, not cut. Second, I think any talk of him not being a Bronco this year (cut or traded) is moot because it’s just not going to happen. Next year, who knows. Still don’t see it happening, but lots of things change from year to year (we certainly know that around here). But this year him not being a Bronco? No way. He’s not going anywhere. Even IF Quinn lives up to all of his potential by training camp and could even remotely begin to replace Graham (both of which are asking an AWFUL lot of anyone, let alone a rookie), I think the one thing you might be overlooking is that with the schemes and various sets that it appears we will be using with this new offense (although we don’t know for sure), we will need two very good blocking TE’s. Meaning neither will be riding the bench much, especially Graham.
I’m also not sure I buy into your assertion that just because our O-line is stellar that we could even remotely think of letting someone like Graham go regardless of how well Quinn performs. Graham was an extremely important part of WHY this line performed so well. The kind of stellar ability and experience he provides would be extremely difficult for a rookie to jump in and emulate immediately. Maybe, and I mean MAYBE, we could have this discussion next year, but among the many many possibilities for how our roster will fall into place this year, I just don’t see it as even a remote possibility (barring injury) that Graham is gone; cut, trade or otherwise.
Look at how this team has been built by McD and Xanders and it’s easy to see why this just isn’t going to happen. Graham is incredibly important for several reasons: best blocking TE in football, his leadership, his character, his work ethic, his team first attitude, his ability to mentor a young, coachable kid like Quinn, his experience both on and off the field, and oh yeah, he has a few of those Super Bowl rings. Some of that sound like familiar characteristics regarding other veterans and rookies we’ve brought in? Or even holdovers from last year that are still with the team?
Combine that with his salary, which I don’t think is THAT out of line for what he’s meant and will continue to mean to this team, and it really becomes a no-brainer, to me anyway. If salary were even remotely an issue, I think the Broncos have learned what type of guy Graham is and would, at minimum, ask if he’d be willing to restructure it or work with them in some way. Not that he would, but to simply cut him? Sorry, don’t think it’s happening. Which, again, I’m sure they wouldn’t trade, rather than cut, him for at least something rather than let someone of his caliber just walk. But I still think that’s unlikely, in my opinion.
I understand your throwing out the “maybe” factor of Graham being cut based on the reasoning you gave, but I just don’t think that reasoning really stands up well. Of course, it is the NFL and anything can happen (lord knows we’ve had our fair share of surprises as Broncos fans this season), but Graham not being a Bronco this year would be one of those things I’d be willing to bet will NOT happen. And I, for one, hope that it doesn’t.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 13, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOPS EDIT....
Next to last line of the next to last paragraph is supposed to be… “Which, again, I’m sure they WOULD trade, rather than cut, him for at least something rather than let someone of his caliber just walk.”
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 13, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Graham
I think a part of the motivation for drafting Quinn is to pair him at times with Graham. Regardless, we want blockers, we want them very much!
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you forgot...
To mention is that Graham is one me the handful me players who is already familiar with McD’s system and terminology. He is another guy that could speed up the offense’s grasping the new offense.
"It's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings" - Kurt Kobain
by JChase8410 on Jul 13, 2009 9:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Great point!
And yet another, of MANY, reasons why I would be absolutely stunned if he were not a Bronco this year.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 13, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very excited about our TEs!
I love the Quinn pick. And Branson to the PS makes a lot of sense. I suspect he would clear waivers (hope so) and he could be extremely valuable later in the season or next year depending on what happens. Agree that Putzier is gone. (Good luck bro!)
Thanks Bear!
by NedBronco on Jul 13, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A four TE set??!
I didn’t know that had been done. And it was McDaniels? I guess that means they had four TE’s. I’ve been thinking we’d keep three, but now I’m wondering. Does that mean it’s Branson who’s putting Putzier on the bubble? Branson seems to be another instance of the Broncos picking up a player who had remarkable production in some area. Was he that raw as a blocker to have gone undrafted?
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Jul 13, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You would assume that 3 TE’s on a roster would be the limit.. Maybe McDaniels really does have big plans for unveiling his secret weapon (3/4 TE sets) during this season. If 3 is the limit maybe Branson makes the practice squad? From the sound of his production and scouting reports he does sound like someone we should keep around…
by HorseStance on Jul 13, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Branson
As SWG will make clear, we can run a 4 TE set (in essence) with Hillis or ‘Steiger. McD was talking about ’something new’ with regard to the running game – a 3 TE set with Hillis as the 4th, running the ball? Massive. Hillis in one slot, Moreno in another, 2 more TEs? or even 3? Wow.
I know – it’s just a thought and probably unlikely. Fun thought, though…
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running over CB's and S's...
They could be called the “Wrecking Crew”. Great post bear, the TE sets we could run will be something to see, and the other teams will try to prepare for it, but, surprise surprise.
by bfree2bronc on Jul 13, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With 3TEs on the roster
the Broncos could run a 4TE set either by lining Hillis up as a 4th TE, or by using Lichtensteiger (or another lineman) as a 4th TE. Having Hillis and Sheffler on the field in a 4TE set could create some real matchup problems for a defense. If they go heavy we can split the two out wide and pass. If they stay normal we can probbably out-muscle them.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, guys, guys!
I’ve read that “4 TE” part a few times and scratched my head. In the context it is written, I think Bear meant “3”, not “4”.
I’m not the “end all” of football knowledge, but I’m not familiar with a 4 TE set. It’s possible (of course), but I haven’t seen it in ancient football texts or film (you know, the “original” days), pro, or HS. Perhaps it happens in college, and perhaps NE has done it and I missed it. But I’m thinking Bear meant “3 TE”, and the sentence makes sense that way.
Bear?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "magic 4?"
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for catching that.
It was a typo that made it past editorial – I made the changes. Thanks, guys
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you look at a Winged-T
you would see that it can closely resemble a 4-TE set in close formation.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 13, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great diagram, SWG!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's harder to understand than Chinese graffiti.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 13, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad
The left tackle and the left guard pull to the right. The TE/WR/RB (2) on the left side swings back to the QB for the ball. The center and right guard seal off the NT. The TE/WR on the left takes on the defensive tackle on that side. The right tackle takes on the strongside defensive tackle, while the running back that starts behind the QB comes out to take on the strongside defensive end. The strongside receiver comes out to take on the LB. Ideally, the QB moves out to block the strongside CB. That combination permits the ball carrier to run out in the hole created between the strongside DT and the strongside DE
Since there are no labels in this diagram, some of the players could be receivers or TEs. It would work well with a 3 TE set but appears to be set up for a RB, 2 TE and 2 WR. I could be missing something, but that’s what I get
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty close
typically the Winged-T is run with RBs at the flanker positions. U of Delaware is famous for its winged-T offense. so imagine the broncos lined up as above with Graham and Quinn at the TE spots, Hillis and Sheffler on the flanks and Moreno/Buckhalter at TB. I think they could create all sorts of mayhem and confusion.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 13, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be brutal to stop
I’m not a coach and even I can see dozens of ways to go from there. Thanks!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT - It's a misprint. The original said '3' and its was a typo.
Fun thought, though, isn’t it. Meets ’Ski’s thought about accidental genius pretty well. Which is the only kind I aspire to…grin
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I find Branson interesting on several levels. Can he learn to block and become a FB? Can he become a TE? Will we have an injury? He’s PS eligible, and that’s a plus
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
agree
The lack of acclaim these UDFAs have garnered here is because it’s such a loaded group. Branson hasn’t gotten the attention he deserved, but he’s still a very intriguing talent. I certainly noticed him in the pre-draft period, and I was happy to see him picked up.
The undrafted CFAs are a underestimated resource and our class was the best — truly. I believe the reason UDFAs aren’t regarded as highly stems from their previous status when undrafted meant that they lacked talent or were otherwise unworthy of consideration. The now shortened draft was pushed players who would have been drafted in years past into the undrafted group, and the NFL’s new personal behavior policy has made teams more reluctant to take a chance on many players.
This year’s class of TEs was so deep that Branson, a small school prospect, didn’t get the attention he would have received in another year. The prevalence of pass catching TEs has also contributed to lessened demand. However, that doesn’t mean that his potential impact has diminished.
His main problem is that he’s trying to make it on a team that’s deep at TE. There’s been speculation that he would be switched to FB, which is another position that has suffered from diminished demand lately. I don’t think his value to us lies primarily as a FB but it would definitely improve his chances if he polished his blocking & running skills to the point where he could play either position. He has enough potential — from what I’ve read — that he might not make it to the PS, or stay there for long if another team needs a TE. It’s possible that roster numbers could drop to the point where he could be of use as a FB/TE, which might happen if we move Hillis to RB (the only likely scenario I can think of).
The Magic 4 may become reality through accidental genius — which is the only kind I’ve ever experienced.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post!
I have never seen a team with such depth at so many positions! Especially a team with JUST the depth we have at TE! It just doesn’t stop, the feeling grows stronger and stronger that this will be an Outstanding, Delicious, STellar season to be a Bronco fan! (note the capital O, D and ST)
If we place a player on the practice squad, doesn’t that mean another team can pick them up off waivers?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 13, 2009 1:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
a player is completely up for grabs to any other team if they are on the practice squad
by fooballa303 on Jul 13, 2009 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but they must be added to the active roster if they’re picked up from another team’s PS. Another team will have to think pretty highly of Branson, or the other CFAs, to want him/them on their active roster.
/thread hijack
There are always those guys that don’t get much playing time in preseason that end up on the PS — I’ve wondered if this is a strategy to keep them a mystery to other teams and therefore a bigger risk to sign to the final roster. For example, say Brandstater only plays two or three quarters in the preseason. Which team in their right mind is going to sign him to their active squad if they didn’t think he was worth a 5th round pick? (I’m not sure of the 3rd QB/54th man rules, but I get the feeling Tommy B will not be on the 53.)
/end thread hijack
by CoastalBronco on Jul 13, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's no hijack ;-)
It’s a good point. Branson is a good probable for the PS ( Contrary to something above, we will keep 3 TE, not two, but probably not 4 unless of of them is a LS). Your point is interesting. Brandstater, though, can suit up and not be counted as a game day player as long as he meets the ‘emergency QB’ standards, which he should. I doubt that he goes to the PS, although stranger things have happened
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
For the clarification everyone! See my comment below Colinski’s here for a supplemental question
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 13, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MORE re: Practice Squad (+ correction)
The tendency is to forget that they must be placed on the active squad if claimed off another team’s PS during the regular season. What most people erroneously assume is that player claimed off of another team’s PS could be placed on your PS.
However, there is a 24 hour period to claim players after the final cut, and before the Practice Squad is instituted, but we can’t have our cake and eat it, too. These players are free agents at that point, but this is good reason to treat them well enough to get them to agree to a spot on the PS. And many of them were Free Agents to start, so they’re only on your team because they chose to join. Teams expose players during this one day period but they get the opportunity to sign other players, which is in both the team’s and players interests — usually.
This is one more reason the UDFAs are so important; they gain familiarity with your system and provide a reserve of talent in case of injuries or when they’ve shown themselves worthy of a spot on the active roster. It’s assumed that some might be claimed, but this gives them an opportunity, but most are retained and remain a bulwark of talent at key positions.
Practice squads haven’t lived up to their objective as a developer of talent but they do provide a haven for young talent at important positions, which is important in an age when rosters are small and depth is always a concern, besides being an important ingredient in a team’s success.
There are always those guys that don’t get much playing time in preseason that end up on the PS — I’ve wondered if this is a strategy to keep them a mystery to other teams and therefore a bigger risk to sign to the final roster.
I think this may be overblown. But what I believe has happened is that the lateness of when the last cut is made (from 75 to 53, a now 4 day period) has camouflaged talented players somewhat. I don’t doubt that teams are thinking strategically as far as protecting their talent, even though it may be for naught given the amount of extant information possessed, but they still have to be good enough to warrant keeping but bad enough to not keep on the active squad. Teams don’t have the ability to hide talent they way they used to, and being on the IR burns some of their PS eligibility, too, so it’s counterproductive. I would be more concerned with our ability to develop talent than with other team’s ‘stealing’ our PS members.
I’ve seen signs of a strategy in which teams ‘play’ with the final roster spot and use it try out players over the course of the season there’s only a small reward, if any, to engaging in this tactic. How many players did we try out last year and how many succeeded?
I think the best strategy is to give the right talent the benefit of a camp+preseason+regular season on the PS and only activate them if necessary at a point late in the season (hopefully) when they’ve had the benefit of that lengthy apprenticeship with the team.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
they must put him on their 53 man squad if they do
Our depth hurts us (so to speak) this year, since our leftovers are other team’s prizes as their leftovers were our prizes last year (Lowry, etc.).
Regarding PS strategy — unproven players are risky, and it would take a belief that their upside made it worth the investment (since they wouldn’t have an immediate return so they wouldn’t help the team’s depth). It might be easier to pick up talent that doesn’t have to be put on the 53 man squad, but it just depends on how the team views that player. Veteran players such as Putzier are often better short term solutions to injury problems.
I’ve come to believe that the it’s less risky to move a player to the PS than believed.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being true....
Does that mean CJ Jones (dude we were just ‘awarded’ from KC) MUST be on our 53 man roster?
If so, that’s kind of an ouch, IMO, for sure.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 13, 2009 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Sept. 5 cut is to the active squad
Players aren’t officially on the squad until that point. Everyone can be cut, some are paid guaranteed money though.
Many of us can come close to guessing the final 53 already. I was pretty close last year when I made my predictions in June.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Jul 13, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the article, the pick of Quinn, and the status of our tight ends.
But I must ask, first and foremost, where is the buzz up button? I want to buzz this and other things.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Jul 13, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Do It!
The Buzz Up button lets Yahoo know that this is an article that folks recommend for other readers. It helps spread the MHR word. Thanks!
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah - they deleted it!
Well, if you tweet, tweet this along it’s merry way and we still spread the MHR word! I appreciated it when someone did that for me.
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
I was totally wondering the same thing as papi…. Deleted it huh?
It seems to come and go… Maybe it’s only there for a particular amount of time, after a posting?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 13, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confusion will reign!!
The subbing in of Situational Players off which the defense can key to prepare for run or pass gets thrown out the window by McD and his Tweener players. Put any combination of these guys on the field and the opposing DC won’t have a glue what they’re going to do. The Broncos mirror this on defense with the Tweener DE/LB type so do we have the makings of the Tweener TE/(HB,WR,H-Back) A group with speed, big size, hands of receivers, a DC’s nightmare? I’m lovin’ it! (apologies to the other McD)
Great Post, Thanks…
broncorat
by broncorat on Jul 13, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks again, Bear!
I’ve never been able to figure out why Graham’s pass catching dominance in college never panned out in the pros. He was a special college player and routinely showed off remarkable hands. I figured the opportunity was coming in Denver, and it still hasn’t really shown up.
Of course, this happens to me routinely with CU players. Call it homerism, I guess. I still swear by the idea that Dieon Figures was the best college CB I ever watched live, and his NFL career was underwhelming at best. I wouldn’t call Graham underwhelming, but I thought he’d be a superstar.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 13, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Graham didn't get a lot of passing chances in NE...
…and his first few passes were dropped in Denver (which created a stigma). He’s very capable, but folks remember those first few passes, or remember him as the ultimate blocking TE, and don’t notice how well he’s done (receiving) since.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 13, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true
And, I think as importantly, his blocking is excellent and if he chips, you have to account for him. It plays against the defense
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear, Thanks for
breaking this position down. The flexibility that seems to exist with out TE’s should bring pretty awesome plays throughout the coming season. That seems certain.
by bchiper on Jul 13, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Bear!
I can’t wait for everyone else’s breakdowns too. This is a perfect way to welcome in the camp season!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 13, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Noob here. Great post on the TE position but I have a few nitpiks with your info regarding Tony Scheffler. As a WMU alum, I happen to know a few things about him and the program and follow them closely.
1. WMU is indeed a Div. I program – FBS, just like CU. Mid American Conference. It’s NOT a “small school.” About the same size as CU. Only small time in reputation among BCS sportswriters and fans.
2. They do have a weight training program there, just not as intense as any pro program.
3. Tony was a converted WR in college. Moved to TE after one season, I believe.
Other than that, great breakdown. I’m looking forward to seeing how our TEs will be used in McD’s offense. And, of course, following my favorite Bronco – T Scheff.
by Broncofan54 on Jul 13, 2009 2:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't mean to insult your alma matter
lol. Small was in relation to Mich. St. and Mich, only. However – according to two sources, there was no organized weight program for the football team. They could both have it wrong, of course. Wouldn’t surprise me. What I’ve read in a few places is that Scheff didn’t train with weights until he was preparing for Combine they claimed that this was a lack of a program, but again – they could be wrong.
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I feel like....
we are STACKED at Tight End?
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Jul 13, 2009 3:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Bear!
Can’t help being excited about our TE corps. I hadn’t even given thought to Sheff being used at WR, but with his speed and hands it makes perfect sense, especially with the BM situation being so fluid. A great breakdown, Bear! Rec’d, also.
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Jul 13, 2009 3:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I get
for posting then reading. I suggested looking at Scheffler as a WR, then I see your post. But at least we agree: Take a look, right?
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Jul 14, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different perspectives, and all are welcome!
Besides, we agree. I’m told, above, that Scheff even did one year as a WR before changing to TE, so this isn’t much of a change. As you can see from SWG’s posting of the winged-T formation, there are a lot of ways to use him that pretty much defy labels. McD has to be thrilled to have that kind of a weapon.
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
TE scenarios will give defense's some bad dreams
Great breakdown Bear! I Really like Branson but don’t think he’ll make the PC. Several teams are in need including the Chiefs. Did he play on the special teams at UCA? Quinn was a great pick!
by St. James Bronc on Jul 13, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done!
I think this is a great breakdown of what is arguably one of the toughest positions in football, IMO. The athleticism and durability that it demands has definitely earned my respect, and the fact that we have as much talent as we do at this position is really encouraging. I look forward to the rest of the position breakdowns! Good stuff :)
by fooballa303 on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful Post Bear
your continued service to this site is immeasurable. Thank you.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Jul 13, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's my pleasure
And thank you
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 5:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Greif...
THAT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL POST MAN! “That brought a lot of confusion to what had seemed like a simple circumstance.”
That statement says it all!
“Despite vapor-ware rumors of his impending trade, Josh McDaniels met with Scheffler over the late winter and assured him of the role that was waiting in the Broncos’ new offense. That began to manifest over the OTAs, and you can look for the Broncos’ offense to spend plenty of time making use of a player whose time in the 40-yard dash was only 0.04 seconds off that of Brandon Marshall’s, and who is both taller and stronger than the wideout. Marshall may sit out for a while – if Josh McDaniels doesn’t look concerned, Tony Scheffler is a big reason why.”
That statement, says the rest!
WoW, man!
What a great post! I have to thank you 4 that because, the off season has put me in a SNOOOOORRRRE MODE!
We all love u man for the time u take to keep us INTERTAINED with the thing that we love the most!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO BRONCO’S 13 -3 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, by the way,
Stop calling my wife and telling her that she should be an Eagles fan!
Just kidding. I don’t have a wife, but, I just thought that someone should jerk your chain now and then! LOL
Thanx again, and REC"D!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jul 13, 2009 6:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Always nice to see you stop by metal ;-)
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sneaky 2+ TE set plays
Great article Bear! Being that McD has a legacy(NE) if being devious. What kind of “deceptive” plays (play action etc.) are best suited to a multi-TE set? I would love to see some sort of screen but I don’t even know if that is feasable out of that set.
At sea level, but I'll always be a mile high.
by DaytonaBronco on Jul 13, 2009 8:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You'll have to read HT's article on the formation
Find it here – it’s great! I also did a ‘What if’ article on Hillis and the same consideration here.
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 13, 2009 10:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the links Bear
Man, I love HT’s university articles. I should have known just to go look there. Great reading while I’m sitting here waiting for my stuff to compile!
At sea level, but I'll always be a mile high.
by DaytonaBronco on Jul 14, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just had a crazy thought . . .
With Scheffler’s size, and that he is as fast as Marshall in the 40, as well as being an exceptional receiver (and marginal blocker for a TE), how would he look as a WR? Can one imagine what a size mismatch he is for CBs? Throw in that the Broncos have three other good TEs in Graham, Quinn, and Putzier, and the thought arises, “Why not take a look?”
Not to say Scheffler is another Marshall. Few receivers are in that category. But then, who knows? It’s a crazy thought, but . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Jul 14, 2009 10:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good thought!
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
NOTE
One of our members was kind enough to send me an email detailing the fact that WMU is in fact a division I school. I appreciate the information, and wanted to clear the record
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
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