Horse Tracks 7/14/09 - BMarsh says all the right things...for now

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 14, 2009 5:52 AM MDT in Horse Tracks Comment 43 comments

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Y! - Marshall getting in shape for unpredictable future - Sean Jensen
In an interesting interview, Brandon Marshall says of reporting to training camp, "I’m under contract with the Broncos," and of becoming a distraction to the team, "You don’t ever want to be that." He spoke during a workout in Minnesota with Cards WR Larry Fitzgerald. Well, he said the right things; the question now is whether he shows up...

DB - A Day in the Life of Richard Quinn
Quinn looks back on his draft-day call from Josh McDaniels and gives a quick look at the hotel where the rookies are staying. It's the first in a series of videos Quinn will be featured in for JOCKlife.com

ADG - Broncos' coach impresses Smith
Rod Smith tells his hometown paper that Josh McDaniels is earning respect by demanding discipline of his coaches and players. Unfortunately, #80 says he has no interest in coaching.

CST - Joyner: "Fans are treating Cutler differently than Grossman or Orton"
Brad Biggs checks in on the KC Joyner column from yesterday and points out that Cutler threw the more interceptions while leading (5) than anyone not named Favre or Roethlisberger. Personally, I don't think it's a great stat. A better indication would be how he compared to other QBs in close games, whether leading or trailing. For what it's worth, Cutler threw 6 INTs last year when the Broncos were anywhere from 8 points down to 8 points ahead (a one-possession game). I have no idea how that compares to the rest of the league; but for curiosity's sake, Drew Brees threw 9 such interceptions, so pretty good for Cutler there.

KCS - Position-by-position analysis: Quarterbacks
Kent Babb has a strange outlook on Josh McDaniels' announcement that Kyle Orton is Denver's #1 QB.

NFLN - NFL Videos: Around the League
Mike Lombardi thinks Tarvaris Jackson cannot afford to languish behind Brett Favre in Minnesota. He also looks at Michael Vick, and the fact that Jokeland ALREADY CUT THEIR SIXTH-ROUND PICK. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

CCT - Safety's stay is short in Oakland
In addition to cutting Stryker Sulak (apparently The Crypt Keeper just liked his name) 2.5 months after drafting him, Jokeland already cut safety Keith Davis.

SDUT - Countdown to Camp - Kevin Acee
Acee covers the Dolts' tight ends.

KCS - Five underrated Chiefs players for the 2009 season - Kent Babb

KCS - Former Chiefs trainer Rudy dies at 88

NFL - Griese is odd man out, released by Bucs
As he had requested, old friend Brian Griese was released by the Bucs and is now free to pursue a spot with another squad.

NFL - Ravens' top receiver Mason tells Web site he's retiring
Although he has yet to inform the Ravens, WR Derrick Mason says he's hanging 'em up after 12 years.

Y! - Patriots sign CB Darius Butler, second-round pick
The Pats drafted a 5'10" cornerback in the second round?!?!?! What in carnation were they THINKing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

NFL - Jets release veteran TE Bubba Franks

PFW - NFC West training-camp previews

NFP - Camp countdown: NFC East - Matt Bowen

CBS - Playoff ready? Pats plus five who might see January
Prisco considers five teams who could go from watching to playing in January.

SI - The advent of Smart Football and the skinny on the 'Skins - Chris Cooley
Cooley has an interesting idea for the NFL involving what he calls GPS and the football to eliminate a lot of the guesswork involved in officiating. Among other thoughts, he's actually a fan of a longer regular season. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

NFP - Diner morning news: Finding the right coach
Lombardi considers potential candidates for Jim Zorn's head job in Washington.

ESPN - New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs' recent comments about Dallas Cowboys QB Tony Romo just make the season more interesting
Clayton mentions which training camp battles he looks forward to out of Denver.

PFW - Jets bank on Sanchez handling media scrutiny - Mark Cannizzaro

ESPN - Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn doesn't play by conventional rules - Elizabeth Merrill

FOX - Vick could shine in Wildcat offense - Michael Rosenberg

NFP - Rookie contracts: Part 2
Andrew Brandt examines the escalator clauses in rookie deals.

CBS - Positional Rankings: Safety
Prisco lists his top 10 safeties, which do not include Brian Dawkins.

NFL - These five returners strike fear in special teams units
Bucky Brooks ranks his top 5 return men. Jamie Dukes goes over his list for NFLTA, so you probably want to avoid that part...

DP - Official duties were just the right call
Irv Moss profiles Bob Mantooth, a Denver native and former NFL referee who recently retired from his position with the AFL.

NFP - 2009 NFP scouting series: Kansas State - Wes Bunting

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Thanks NYC!

Don’t forget the Rod Smith plug on NFLTA!!!!

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 14, 2009 7:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

NYC - You are famous now.

Bill "Tubbs" Williamson took your horse tracks articles verbatim for one of his blog entries yesterday.

NYC – you have an avid reader in Pork Chop. I’d go as far as to say you (not that thief Williamson) made it all the way to ESPN.com yesterday. Nice job for a mornings work.

Congrats.

But that also means you’re MSM now.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 7:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

HA

Thanks, McG. I think…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 14, 2009 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do my best compliments with the back of my hand (I thought the MSM line was pretty clever). But Tubbs is undeniably biting your horse track rhymes.

I think it is an honor for someone from ESPN to steal your thoughts and post them online for millions to read (even if it’s just Pork Chop).

It’s also not the first time I’ve noticed Tubbs heisting ideas from this website. It’s just that yesterday was the most blatant.

Again – congrats.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, McG

Well, if I am doing some of his work for him, then he truly deserves all of the comments he gets from MHR…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 14, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey now...

no name calling. I think you owe an apology ;-)

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 14, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks NYC

It ‘s too bad Rod doesn’t want to coach, maybe he ‘ll continue to be a mentor. If I were a young receiver, I would like to pick his brain.
Cooleys’ article was good. That Smart football idea is intriguing.
Bubba Franks: That always sounded like a Redneck Hot Dog stand to me.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 14, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Bill Williamson - You SUCK!

Since you read this thread (and steal your ideas and columns from it), please know that you are not missed in Denver.

You are a hack of the highest order.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 7:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I know we don't see eye to eye on a lot McG

but I agree

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 14, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What in CARNATION?

Good stuff :)

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jul 14, 2009 8:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, NYC.

"Who speaks for Charlie?"

by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 14, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank God I hate the Raiders.

I just read that Oakland has already cut their 6th round pick (a high #6) BEFORE training camp.

Cutting a draft pick before training camp? Are you f*ing kidding me! Has that happened in the last decade to any other team?

And some people are saying the Faiders will finish ahead of Denver.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Foul Language

I know this isn’t church camp, but there are younger readers who come here. There is no need for foul language, so please stop! I know you can express yourself better because I’ve read many of your comments.

by Endzone on Jul 14, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said more bad words in 3rd grade than I do as an adult. Kids say the darndist things. I use the * rather than full bad words. That is not the website filtering, it’s me filtering my content.

If it bothers you that much, I’ll stop. But I can’t help but think you continue to pick on one of the few posters here that is not on board with The Coach.

I NEVER hear you chastise other posters that call Cutler a pu**y or insinuate that he is gay. I see this sort of comment all the time on this website. Where are you then?

So I request that you call it both ways. If not, your holier than thou approach is INSINCERE.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Patience

I usually let it slide because those posters are not regulars. But you make a habit of it and you are a regular. That’s why I’m asking you to cool it.

I can’t think of any other instance, other than a couple of days ago with you, when I “continue to pick on” anyone for “not being on board with The Coach”. As you know, it was not because you do not like the coach. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

by Endzone on Jul 14, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is a sorry excuse. Not regulars?

It’s simple.

If bad language bothers you to the point where you must say something, then you d*** well better call out everyone.

If not, you leave me with the distinct impression that you are probably laughing or at the least in agreement with the Cutler is a “pu**y” or "Cutler is a f*g" crowd.

Like me, you are entitled to your opinion of Cutler, the Coach, Bowlen, etc. But don’t come at me with some counterfeit sense of righteousness.

Call it both ways Ref.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

McGeorge I really like your posts and ideas concerning the Broncos,

but there is a place for everything and like the crew here said this is a family orientated blog and language of any sort should be held out. I say WTF sometimes meaning “watched the film”…hmm…well something like that. Guru’s post on how we should write and post…back in March I believe.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 14, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I save my harsh language

for the bar, or for Call Of Duty. I have a horrible mouth, but this is a place to keep it down. I can’t stand Cutler, and what I say about him off the record is a lot more vulgar than what I’d say on here. Rules is rules.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 14, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally

I pass over anybody’s comment that has asterisks in them as mindless Babel. Its shows IMO the writer lacks intelligence to express himself. Therefore I don’t give credence to his comments. That is one of the things in particular that I respect about this site is that, for the most part, it doesn’t degrade itself to such mindlessness.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 14, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Read the Rules of Conduct

Then follow them. There’s nothing to attack EZ for – he’s right. I’ve flagged dozens for cursing, so you’re not being singled out – you have been told about this before and for some reason aren’t stopping. It seems inappropriate to attack another member for noticing that your in violation of the Rules of Conduct. If you are willing to stop – please do.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's right, EZ

If cursing in comments offenses ANYONE, please tap actions and then ‘flag’. Tell John – who is the only one who will read them – why you feel that way.

And yes – that kind of language is a direct violation of the Rules of Conduct that everyone on the site has agreed to. Certain people have been told about this repeatedly and seem to feel a need for attention anyway.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I rather enjoy

having a use for my vocabulary, and it excites me when other people challenge me with words that I haven’t learned yet. It does tend to raise the intelligence of the whole that way. And just like proofreading your comments before you post, it dilutes a bit of the emotional rant in everyone. THAT is one of the major differences that make this site way better than the Denver Post.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 14, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again. I have yet to read one person tell a poster to refrain from calling Cutler one of several vulgarities. Why is that?

Until you guys call it both ways, you are preaching to someone that has evidence to believe bad language doesn’t bother ANY of you so long as you agree with or find that post funny.

So prove me wrong, tell the next Cutler basher to "stuff it" the next time someone calls Jay a pu**y, uses a crude homosexual reference or several of the distasteful things that are said on this blog. It’s common on this site so you’ll have plenty of opportunities.

I’ll gladly clean it up if you all refrain from hypocrisy. Thus far, your officiating of this site is highly one sided.

by McGeorge on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nonsense

I’ll gladly clean it up if you all refrain from hypocrisy. Thus far, your officiating of this site is highly one sided.

The only person who officiates on this side is John and he has gone out of his way to accommodate those who have different points of view. I’ve told several folks to stop cursing, including you. I’m not doing this as staff – only John officiates. I’m doing this as someone who is tired of reading your profanity and personal attacks. If someone points out – accurately – that you are consistently violating that agreement, you attack them as hypocrites. The thing that is hypocritical is agreeing to this Code and violating it repeatedly. Either stay within the Code of Conduct or leave.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 15, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we should encourage swearing. Studies have shown that ‘curse words’ make physical, and presumably emotional pain more tolerable. Furthermore, while most language originates from the left hemisphere of the brain, swearing has been shown to arise from the right hemisphere (often considered the ‘creative’ side of the noggin).

Obviously this post is partly in jest, but if you’re seriously worried about questionable content for children then you should probably keep them off the intertubes as I guarantee they’re regularly exposed to far worse content than ‘f*ing’.

For example, here is a link to a comments recently posted on a Sesame Street blog:

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jul 14, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kent Babbs statement regarding McDaniels rush to name starting quarterback.

It was obvious that Orton was the likely starter, but McDaniels essentially kicked the legs out from under Chris Simms and risked castrating Simms’ effort entering a pivotal preseason for Denver, too.

Chris Simms came into the Broncos knowing he would be in a backup role, so his “legs” are going to be fine Babbs. You need to worry about your teams success not ours. You never know, Cassel may be a ‘one year wonder’.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 14, 2009 10:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

NFLTA

I saw Rod last night and like the true Bronco he is (and forever will be), he defended the team and said they will be better then everyone expects. I wanted him to punch Dukes in the face after Dukes went on and on about how tough our schedule is and how no one in the locker room could possible trust the HC. He claims the team will fall apart at the first loss because no one trusts the HC and referred to it as everyone wanting off the Titanic.

Rod said the team is on board with the HC and the veterans appreciate the changes the HC has made in terms of accountability and discipline. As they looked at the first 5 games on the schedule, Rod said “I see 5-0”. Love it!

by 5280FT on Jul 14, 2009 10:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Rods a class act, Dukes is an idiot.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 14, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Correct me if I"m wrong...

…but the trust issue MacDaniels created in the Cutler situation is that you can trust that if you act like a me-first three year old, you aren’t welcome on his team. Maybe its just me, but I have a hard time seeing a team come apart at the seems over this one…and if they do…its the lockerroom that needs cleaning, not the coach.

Somebody needs to tell Dukes that the human mind has amazing abilities— for example, it can take on new information and adapt to it, process it, and formulate new and original thoughts.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 14, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

well said

by 5280FT on Jul 14, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good one PdO

In other news:

Note to Al Davis: That silver sheen in your Black Kool- Aid is Formaldehyde!
Live Long In Squalor.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 14, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yuck

Jamie Dukes does not know what he’s talking about. Rod is, as always, a class act. Dukes says “you can’t tell me” the Broncos players won’t go that extra mile for the head coach. Absolutely ridiculous. Even Rod throws up his hands at the end after listening to Dukes.

by Endzone on Jul 14, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems like everyone has their 'niche' in life,

and Jamie Dukes is agitating and aggravating people…what a ’DWEEB".

by bfree2bronc on Jul 14, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's trying to get into the HoF

by being a member of the NFLN for 20 years. Fair enough, but for a guy that didn’t accomplish squat on the field, it’s really not surprising that he’s so ignorant and moronic.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 14, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice to see Marshall's attitude changing

It looks like he’s found some hard realities and is dealing with them. I still believe that could be good for both him and Denver. He needs a good year to get a good contract and Denver can certainly use a big strong receiver. Now, if he can just deal with not being the center of attention in the receiving corps…..

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Jul 14, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes bear, he knows he is caught between a rock and a hard spot.

If he performs this year, then about mid way through the season give him the raise he deserves, not until then. And that is barring any off field issues, he still may receive a suspension from Goodell.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 14, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Attitude change

Like The guy in Monte Python’s in search for the Holy Grail that got his arms chopped off.
“OK. Lets call it a draw!”

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

To correct you,

The Black Knight says we’ll call it a draw, after he gets both arms chopped off and both legs…

Of course then he says he’ll bite his ankles… ;)

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.

by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Jul 14, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still worried about how long it will take him to catch on to McD's routes.

I wonder if he is going to be able to get the McD WR skill set down in time to secure a starting position. He is worth a lot less if he is making the wrong reads and reactions.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Jul 14, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs