2009 Denver Broncos - Breaking Down the Roster -- Quarterback
by John Bena on Jul 15, 2009 11:42 AM MDT
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Three words rarely have so much meaning. Quarterback. Denver. Broncos. When put together to form a job title, the three words together have a powerful effect on Broncos fans. Such is the curse that comes along with the blessing of John Elway. You sell your soul to the devil a bit. Here, fans, is one of the true legends of the game. Enjoy him for 16 years, then spend eternity trying to replace him. Problem is, you struggle to enjoy the legend, struggle to realize just how special that person is until he is gone, and the eternity begins.
For all intents and purposes, the Broncos have had three main heirs to the Elway throne - Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler. Each enjoyed some success - Griese got the Broncos to the playoffs, Plummer to the AFC Championship Game, while Cutler seemed to be the chosen one. Each, for various reasons, failed in their attempt. Having the three dreaded words Denver Broncos Quarterback in front of your name can wear a person down. We saw it with Griese, with Plummer - even with Cutler to an extent, who never seemed comfortable in Elway's shadow, with the weight of a city on his shoulders.
Now the Broncos try again, with a new coach, and perhaps a new mentality, both as a football team and a fan base. Sure, being the Quarterback of the Denver Broncos is always going to be a bit different, but will it be the focal point it once was? Let's take a look at the next era of Broncos quarterbacks (for a season anyway), and instead of trying to replace Elway, simply enjoy them for who THEY are, and not who they will never be.
Does anyone who has taken a snap for the Broncos in the last decade have more pressure than Kyle Orton does this season? We all know about the trade, and many of you are still bitter about it. Oh, and of course Orton is playing for his next contract. Not an enviable position, to say the least. Learn a new offense, win over a new locker room and deal with an angry fan base, all while trying to get paid. I get the feeling Orton wouldn't have it any other way.
To look at Orton's past performance is a practice in futility. Face it, the Bear's offense wasn't one to be considered revolutionary. Orton has better weapons, a better line, and possibly a better run game in 2009 than he did at any point in his career. Plus, whether you are on board with Josh McDaniels or not, Orton will have better coaching. At 26 years old, Orton is just now heading into the prime of his career. What does all that mean? It could mean the perfect storm of success for Orton and the Broncos.
I'm not going to try to BS you. Far from it. The quarterback position is a huge question mark, especially with the struggles the defense has had the past couple years. I'm not going to try and convince you that Kyle Orton is going to come in and dominate. What I do believe, however, is Orton will be put in situations to succeed. McDaniels will game plan to Orton's strengths, and avoid his weaknesses. The only plays in a game plan will be ones Orton is completely comfortable with and will be focused on efficiency and effectiveness. In other words, the Broncos are going to try and outwork the other team every snap, every down, starting with the quarterback.
So where do we get our hope? To me, it's pretty simple, really. If we start with the assumption that the weapons the Broncos have are better than those of the Bears, we can feel good about Orton's 21-12 record as a starting quarterback. Being Broncos fans, we remember when winning at home meant something. Orton is 15-2 at home since coming into the NFL in 2005. We also can look at the first 7 games of the 2008 season, when Orton was the starter for the Bears, and seemed to be settling in --
- 1,669 yards
- 10 touchdowns
- 4 interceptions (5 games without an interception)
- 143 completions
- 230 attempts
- 62.2 completion percentage
- 7.26 per attempt
- 4-3 team record
Few people remember how good Orton was over his first seven starts last season. He was efficient and in games three through seven threw for at least 199 yards every outing. The Bears lost by three points at Carolina (the second best team in the NFC last year), lost in overtime to Tampa Bay (the Buccaneers scored 10 points in the final 3:11, including a touchdown with seven seconds left, to tie) and lost on a last-second field goal at Atlanta after a heinous decision to squib kick after Orton completed what should have been the game-winning touchdown with 11 seconds left. The Bears were 4-3 with three excruciating losses to good teams, and Orton was a big reason for their success. Remember the great start Jay Cutler had last year?
Just for fun, Schwab also shows Cutler's stats for the first 7 games. Remember, the Broncos started 3-0 and Cutler was doing interviews anywhere and everywhere he could -
Jay Cutler, 2008 through seven games
- 1,862 yards
- 13 touchdowns
- 7 interceptions (2 games without an interception)
- 163 completions
- 254 attempts
- 64.2 completion percentage
- 7.33 per attempt
- 4-3 team record
I'm not saying Kyle Orton will ever be the physical wonder that Jay Cutler is. Cutler has been blessed with rare physical tools. What I am saying, in the NFL, efficiency and effectiveness, the game that is played above the shoulders, is more important. Kyle Orton has proved he can play that game with lesser talent and coaching. He'll now get the chance with everything on the line career-wise to do it with the coaching, with the talent around him.
From a purely personal standpoint, being a Big Ten guy, I watched a lot of Orton when he was at Purdue. Sure, you can't rely on college performance to make an opinion on professional ability, but I am certain Orton can make all the throws and has the arm and makeup to be a damn good NFL quarterback. In other words, the Broncos could do a lot worse.
Chris Simms
#2 / Quarterback / Denver Broncos
6-4
220
Aug 29, 1980
28
Texas
3/4/2009: Signed a two-year, $6 million contract. The deal included a $1.5 million signing bonus. Another $3 million is available through incentives. 2009: $1.96 million, 2010: $2.54 million, 2011: Free Agent
Signed as a Free Agent(2009)
The backup plan this season is Chris Simms. The Broncos paid Simms a lot of money to assure themselves of his services. Whether or not Simms is the insurance policy the Broncos need remains to be seen. But one thing is certain, Simms is as tough as they come; he has already proven that.
The way Chris Simms handled himself in Tampa Bay, playing through a bad injury, losing his job and never really getting the chance to win it back, didn't get overlooked by coaches and players around the League. Simms also has the pedigree, being the son of Broncos-killer Phil Simms.
As for on the field, there is not much of a sample for Simms. In 2005, Simms started 11 games, completed 61% of his passes and threw 10 TDs to only 7 picks. He had the Buccaneers in position to beat the Washington Redskins in the playoffs if not for a dropped TD pass. Then, of course, came the spleen injury in Week 3 of the 2006 season. On September 24, Simms was taken off the field after taking hard hits from the Carolina Panthers defense. Simms returned to the game and even led a successful scoring drive, but remained in physical distress and was taken to a nearby hospital after the game. Tests revealed a ruptured spleen, and Simms immediately underwent emergency surgery. In the aftermath, Simms said he lost five pints of blood before the operation and conceded that another 45 minutes without treatment could have been fatal.
The last two seasons have been about getting healthy for Simms, physically and mentally. The Broncos present Simms a golden opportunity to prove he is back, and Simms provides the Broncos a backup that has starting experience, and more importantly, has had success at the NFL level. Like with Orton, the Broncos could do a lot worse at backup than Simms, even if he hasn't played in awhile.
The goal of a backup quarterback is to get a team through 4 games. Chris Simms, if called upon, will be able to do that, and he will only get stronger and better as the season wears on. I'll be keeping a close eye on Simms, both at Training Camp and during the preseason to see if his mechanics have come back and if he is mentally healed from his horrible ordeal.
Tom Brandstater
#3 / Quarterback / Denver Broncos
6-5
222
Oct 21, 1984
24
Fresno State
N/A
6th Round Draft Pick(2009)
SUMMARY
There is something special about the quarterback position in Denver. It was that way before the Jay Cutler fiasco, and will likely be that way moving forward through 2009 and beyond. Forgetting, for one second, all that happened this offseason and looking ONLY at the three players on the roster right now, the Broncos seem to be solid, if not spectacular at Quarterback.
If Kyle Orton stays healthy, I see no reason for him not to have a season where he throws 20-25 TDs, completing 65% of his passes for somewhere around 3,500 yards. Perhaps that is the best-case scenario, but I believe in the team concept. As good as Jay Cutler's abilities are, he had one helluva supporting cast, all of which are back in the fold. If you, like some, believe that Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall were the RESULT of Cutler, then we'll agree to disagree.
After Orton, there are questions. I believe Chris Simms could come in for a few games and be effective, but he needs time to get his "football legs" under him. An early injury to Orton could be devastating.
John Elway isn't coming through that door anytime soon. We should all appreciate what #7 did and never, ever forget what he meant to us and the Broncos. To that end, what makes Elway so great is the fact there will never be another one like him. That's what being a legend is all about. Let's stop trying to find the next Elway, and focus on winning football games and becoming relevant in the National Football League once again.
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Great work!
A single note on Brandstater – I’m less concerned than many with his slight ‘drop-off’ during his senior year campaign. Brandstater endured 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, each with their own approach to the game, and essentially relearned an offense each season (the comparison to his attainment of his Master’s degree is apt). What I’m impressed with is that he handled this without a single complaint (or public mention) and still played well each year. Like most of us, I’ve seen QBs who would fall apart under such circumstances – he flourished. While I don’t expect to see him start anytime soon, I can see him growing into a solid backup or a potential starter for Denver.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a great point Bear.
Definitely part of why I like him.
(For a year or two from now.)
by NedBronco on Jul 15, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my thought on the QB in Denver concept.
I said it a while ago, but I’ll say it again.
10 years is long enough to move on. Don’t compare yourself to John Elway, and I won’t compare you to him either.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
And I think it’s a benefit of “the Cutler era” that we can all move on a bit more from the constant Elway comparisons. The passage of time is a part of it, but Cutler was to be the next Elway, and that ended rather undramatically. Let’s hope we don’t saddle Orton with any of that.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 15, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Orton doesn't compare his arm strength
Then he should be ok. I think most people are over the fact that we didn’t clone Elway and have his clone gestating in some dark closet somewhere in Dove Valley.
"No matter how far a Jackass travels it will never come back a horse"
by SpaceCowboyInLG on Jul 15, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
stoked on Brandstater
…anyone have any thoughts on this guy being big in, say, five years? as orton ages, and as simms either becomes good enough to beat out orton entirely or to become traded (or not resigned in ’11), Tom Bradstater may be the next big thing in Denver.
by joelbgreenberg on Jul 15, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
**Brandstater
ought to get the guy’s name right
by joelbgreenberg on Jul 15, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the straigh-shooting, Guru.
Appreciate your perspective and tone. And agree. We could be a lot worse off.
This will be an interesting year! : )
by NedBronco on Jul 15, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I will remember about Cutler
Besides his natural ability to throw the ball is his willingness to block on end arounds or reverses. He almost ran at people with reckless abandon. I always admired that about him.
Having said that, I’ve moved on to Orton and Co. and hope that they can do well in this new system McD is installing. I’m very excited for the season to start!
by solace on Jul 15, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent as always
I could read any number of NFL preseason magazines but none of them have the insight and balance as you do. Thanks.
I voted Feel good about QB. I think Orton is an Average to above average QB and that Simms would be an average QB as a starter which makes him an excellent backup.
I think Denver got a fair trade in Cutler meaning that Orton, Moreno, Smith will effect the outcome of a game as much as Cutler. I say that because I wanted to show that I like Cutler.
That being said I think Orton-Simms is a better QB situation than Cutler-Ramsey.
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
by 3nS on Jul 15, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One year hence, Orton has a Pro-Bowl year, what to do?
Does Bowlen and Co.:
a) Give him a long term deal paying him the Shanahan dividend up front
b) Wish him well if some team offers him the moon AND the stars and we look to TB (our TB) for 2010
c) Franchise tag him? Does that make players mad?
d) Go looking for a next great Denver Broncos Quarterback in the draft
rec’d of course
broncorat
by broncorat on Jul 15, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's kicking arse during the season this year, I suspect we'd offer an extension mid-season. ???
by NedBronco on Jul 15, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton has all the tools to get the job done,
he can set back on the defense and exspect them to carry the team sort of like they did in Chicago. It won’t work. This is a different team than they were and he will have to score points just like McDaniels said in a couple of interviews. I believe with the weapons he has he will succeed and score the necessary points to win the majority of the games. That’s bottom line, and I wouldn’t say it just to blow smoke up somebody’s nose. This Kid is the real deal and Chicago is going to be sorry in the long run that they let him slip out of their hands, let alone the 2 first rd picks they gave away. The Bear organization has problems and issues they need to address and if they think Jay Cutler is the savior of their problems then they will have another thought coming.
by bfree2bronc on Jul 15, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Orton a RFA or UFA next year?
when we first traded for him I heard that if the season goes uncapped then Orton is in the same boat as Marshall and would be a RFA.
anyone know the definitive answer?
by purplesocks on Jul 15, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly what I understand..
if the cap goes away, he’s stuck with us as a RFA.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton's a Scorpio!
Pretty cool. Tough guys, those Scorpios.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 15, 2009 1:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
he and I share a birthday...
and I love it. he’s 5 years older than me, but that’s ok.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Leo myself
But I’ve known some very good Scorpios. They are very strong and confident people who do not get rattled. When I saw that Orton was a Scorpio, it really fit with what I know about him.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 15, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh snap.
My wife is a scorpio.
Don’t mess with scorpios.
She made me write that.
by jvill on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
I’m a Scorpio too! I’m actually the stereotypical Scorpio: obsessive, sensitive, way too emotional, passionate, obsessive… At least we’re supposed to be the best lovers.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Jul 16, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Thanks for an excellent piece. As a former college QB it’s very refreshing to read an article by someone who knows the game.
I believe the QB position is in good hands. The new Qbs may not be as physically gifted as Cutler but they have shown the they can play within their capabilities. Both Orton and Simms seen to be less mistake prone than Cutler.
Yes the offence is in good hands!
by OCBronco on Jul 15, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OC it is dubious to think that Kyle can't perform in this system.
Chicago relied on the running game and defense to carry them to victory and that is not Kyle Orton’s forte. He will succeed under Josh McDaniels system and scheme on offense, it may take a little while but he will eventually get it. When he does lok out other teams, because he and our offensive weapons will kick some booty. The msm will be saying: who are these guys…13-3 Baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on Jul 15, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team focus
There are teams that have to rely on the quarterback position to produce wins because of lack of balance or serious deficiencies in other areas of the team. Elway took the Broncos on his shoulders and produced incredible exciting wins early in his career with an offense that lacked great receivers or a dominant offensive line. Indeed we went to Super Bowls because of his talent when the team had glaring weaknesses that were exposed. Under McD the quarterback position will still be important ,of course, but strangely also deemphasized in favor of a more balanced team offense. Play calling will not require extraordinary plays from this position, just solid execution. I really like Orton and Simms in this situation. Brandsteter will be a work in progress naturally, but has the skills to be an excellent backup with good coaching. Nice review of the position and rec’d.
by Ponderosa on Jul 15, 2009 1:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice...
The legend of Elway will always be something that the current QB of the Broncos (any year going forward) will have to battle, it’s just the nature of the position and a reflection of Elway’s greatness.
All the QBs can do now is do their best, focus on the guys in the huddle and minimize the mistakes.
______
Mile High Mania
by Mile High Mania on Jul 15, 2009 1:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels/Cassell/Orton
Very good article. It is time to move on but no one who watched John Elway closely will ever forget him. I know this point has been discussed before but what McDaniels did with Cassell in one year with Cassell having no prior NFL game experience makes me very optimistic. KC would not have bet the house on a long term deal if their organization didn’t think his one year was no fluke. McDaniels coaching had to have an impact on Cassells success. Why would he not have the same impact on Orton here? The Broncos are in good shape at quarterback.
by gpe999 on Jul 15, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru....
Good read and breakdown of our QB’s. I will admit I’m still on the fence a bit, but like what I see. I totally agree with you on the coaching aspect. Great coaches make average players better by using the skills they possess and by not asking them to do something they can’t. Each one (Orton, Simms, Brandstater) will have the opportunity to learn and grow into something special. So it’s kind of up to the players to take advantage of that. So far they all have showed great enthusiasm about their own unique situation. This should be an entertaining and fun year to watch, looking forward to it.
by bchiper on Jul 15, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Our QBs? I voted Eh. so-so like 41% of you other haters.
For what it is worth, I wouldn’t trade Orton for either Matt Cassel or J Russell in a straight up deal.
We’ll see come September.
by McGeorge on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Certainly not Russell
Cassel vs Orton is a heck of a lot closer. Here’s a link to a video of Cassell highlights
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/7/14/949566/matt-cassel-the-63-million-dollar
courtesy of Arrowhead Pride. I’d rate Cassel and Orton as close to the same but I’d much rather have Orton in Denver.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 15, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think KC made a major blunder in the super contract with Cassel.
It was a desperation move to motivate the team and rally them around him? I don’t know but what if he was a one year wonder, you didn’t see McDaniels clamoring to get him and he should know him better than anyone. It just doesn’t make any sense to me that the Chiefs have all of a sudden sold the farm for this one year wonder who was a bench warmer the first of September last year…What are your thoughts?
by bfree2bronc on Jul 15, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jedi mind-trick on the Chiefs?
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"....one year wonder who was a bench warmer the first of September last year…"
Well, Tom Brady would keep most anyone on the bench. Cassel did play very well last year, but I expect he will have a rougher year in 09 – new scheme, no Randy Moss or Wes Welker.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 16, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't trade ..
My brother in law for J. Russell.
by AlanC on Jul 15, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos have put four QBs in the Pro Bowl over the past ten seasons!
Here’s to five in eleven seasons! ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jul 15, 2009 2:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a wonderful breakdown Guru!
The pressure of playing in the shadows of one of the games legends in Elway will always be there for Kyle. Hopefully the experience of following in the footsteps of Dawson, Griese, and Brees at Purdue will help him in dealing with it. The only option Kyle has, is to just embrace the priviledge and honor of playing QB for the Denver Broncos. Again, great work and rec’d.
by rocko1 on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted so-so
I think the whole point of McD’s offensive philosophy is that your QB shouldn’t have to go to the Pro Bowl for your team to be successful. And, I don’t think Orton has Pro Bowl talent (and even if he did, he’d still have to be all-world to overcome east coast bias, yadda, yadda, yadda). I do think he can be successful within the scheme and it is time for Denver fans to let the Elway era go – I mean Phil Simms never had to deal with Y.A. Tittle’s legacy. My only fear is that the D is at best a question mark and could be pretty bad again and I don’t think our QBs have the talent to bring this team from behind in the 4th quarter when we really need them “to carry the team”. But let’s wait ’til they lace ’em up and start playing. Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
on the idea of 4th quarter come-from-behind games...
hopefully, if they do their job well enough the first 3 quarters, they won’t have that situation nearly as often. The thing I hated to see, especially last season, was when we would have a good lead heading into the second half, and the team just slouches. That really burns me up seeing the team give out 21+ unanswered points just because they got cocky with the lead.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right Donk, Kyle didn't have any Pro Bowl qualities in Chicago's offense.
Who could, and until they change their offensive system they never will have not even with Cutler. The Bears’ offense depended on the run first then the pass, and run some more hoping the defense holds the lead. McDaniels is no where in the same league as Ron Turner when it comes to offense and you and I will see pretty soon so get your Broncos jersey on and get ready because what we are about to witness is going to amaze alot of folks. There will be no questions after a few games into the season. 13-3 Baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on Jul 15, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I decided not to vote on this one
because I didn’t see an option that captures how I feel. I fall somewhere between eh, and fine with it. I have always been a very optimistic person, and I am optimistic about the QB position in Denver, but I do have my reservations. What has me optimistic about KO is the fact that he performed very well in a spread offense at Purdue. He should be coming into his own as a QB sooner than later. Here’s to hoping it is this year
"It's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings" - Kurt Kobain
by JChase8410 on Jul 15, 2009 4:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I also feel between the top choice and the middle.
If Guru is right, and we are “solid” at QB (not even great), I’ll be happy.
I don’t need the Cutler air show fireworks to enjoy a game (nor, of course, the interceptions). If he manages the game well, moves the ball steadily, and even lets the run game factor in, we can win some ball games.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 15, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give up all the flashy stuff
if the flashy comes with a sub-par season.
I’d rather be a “boring” team all year and enjoy the flash of the Lombardi trophy.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 15, 2009 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take no flash on the field for some flash on the hand any day.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Jul 15, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The flashy stuff will come from Moreno, let
the Orton just manage the game.
by Bronkfan on Jul 16, 2009 5:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jul 16, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Work Guru!
Orton has one major advantage I believe. He will be the first QB NOT to considered the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th coming of Elway. The entire offensive concept will be different, something we already know. There will be no weight of expectation to burden him so he can relax and grow into the system and position. He is not John Elway, never will be and the schemes will have no need for him to be.
IMO he is mentally tougher than Cutler, a smarter player all round and a far better leader. A real “team first” sort of guy.
We know what Cutler’s immense talents were. However, one point that I think has been overlooked so far when comparisons are drawn up between KO and JC through their respective careers so far. The annalists have been quick to point out that Orton’s figures were hampered by the injury he played through. Yet little comment has been made of Cutler playing with, at the time, undiagnosed diabetes and the effect that must have had on his performances.
Given the system we are to run I am happy with Orton and expect him to be efficient within the system. He will protect the ball and the vast majority of his decisions will be the correct ones.
I would say the same for Simms too based on his talent level. It has been mentioned elsewhere though that being left handed takes the immense talents of Clady out of the equation and could be a problem. Also I vaguely remember the 49er’s receivers having problems whenever Young came in for Montana because of the reverse spiral.
Brandstater seems like a very worthwhile project. A decent physique, intelligence and the willingness to learn. He has the right coaches around him to develop him to the maximum potential he can reach.
For those reasons I voted “Feel Good”.
Having digested the breakdowns of the safeties, tight ends and now the QB’s it is slightly disconcerting that an old cynic like myself can’t find much to moan about at all!
Fourth quarter comebacks? Naaah! We will be well ahead by then!
I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet
by BlobTheMagnificent on Jul 15, 2009 4:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
New game planning and Orton's level headed execution could equal 10 wins
I enjoyed reading this breakdown and tend to agree that Kyle Orton will be solid, even if not a superstar. Coach has already shown that he doesn’t need Tom Brady for ‘the system’ to be successful. He needs a level headed leader.
I remember watching the Broncos and Jay Cutler over the last couple years – and wondering which team I was going to see on that given Sunday. I think the coaching became stale and complacent. I really think a convincing argument could be made that the game planning and coaching alone are responsible for a couple ’08 losses, just like the same argument could be made that the quarterback’s unraveling and lack of on-field leadership directly lead to a couple losses the same year.
K, so then maybe you’d have to minus Cutler, but add Dawkins, Moreno, and Nolan, a stable of competent new defensive backs to go along side the newly healthy stable of running backs. Don’t forget to add the recently elusive ‘consistency factor’ that the new coaching and game planning should bring. Then add the previously lacking on-field leadership and a proven winner in Orton at the helm – all together, that could easily translate into 2-3 additional wins in and of themselves.
The only minuses are Cutler and new schemes, and those could have most major kinks worked out before the tougher meat of the schedule around week five.
by elvisalex on Jul 15, 2009 4:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post Guru! I think that Kyle Orton can definitely flourish under McD's system.
The only concern that I have with Orton, is that when he was in Chicago, his defense would bail him out if their offense couldn’t get anything going. Can we expect the same for this team? Sometimes, the Bears won games because of their defense. But, I guess that since our offense has so many weapons and an elite offensive line, that makes up for it…right?
And as for the future…I couldn’t be happier. I think that Tom Brandstater is a perfect fit for this system. Who knows what’s going to happen.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
by broncoholic on Jul 15, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orton is the real deal.
As a Chicago Bears fan, I just wanted to let you folks know that Kyle Orton is the real deal in terms of being a stable QB…he may or may not buy time for your defense…but he does his job. There’s no reason KO can’t play well against statistically weaker teams like KC or Oakland…he took care of Detroit and St. Louis for us.
Orton isn’t very impressive when he throws off his back foot…that was very apperant when the Bears played against that Vikings D-Line…but if your offensive line is as good as advertised that may not matter. While I think Cutler is the perfect counter for the Williams Wall and the upcoming revamped Packers D-Line; KO was a capable leader and handled the Chicago media well (so he can handle comparisons to John Elway). Best wishes KO, you’ll always be a Bear in my mind.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Jul 15, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
thanks MetalGear and I love your name. :)
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of you to come by, MGPW!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 15, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru
I was wondering if we were going to get a well written post out of you. I know you’re busy with the Radio show and the Man Cave(and probably Media and Admin stuff too). I’ve probably not been here long enough to know otherwise.
Nice job.
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by KaptainKirk on Jul 15, 2009 6:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Kirk...
I have my moments…Perhaps its because I did all the writing for the first 18 months that I have taken a backseat the last 18 months.
I plan on amping back up here, starting with my Training Camp visit. I hope to get to meet many of you!!!
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by John Bena on Jul 15, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small suggestion John
This goes for all my MHR fellows that will be at training camp. Do yourself a favor, go to Illegal Petes for lunch. It’s the best “Chipotle” style burritos to be had in Denver. There’s an IP right next to Park Meadows Mall, so it’s not far from Dove Valley. There’s also one in LoDo off 16th St. that’s easily accessible from Invesco. I promise, you won’t be disappointed.
Addresses:
Downtown
1530 16th St, Denver, CO – (303) 623-2169
Park Meadows
8283 S Akron St # 140, Centennial, CO – (303) 662-8822
No need to thank me, just pay it forward.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Cali
It’s tough trying to find the kind of Mexican food I’m used to (So Cal) in Colorado Springs.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Jul 15, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't want to throw you off...
it’s not necessarily “authentic”, but it is awesome regardless. It’s a really fun atmosphere and the staff is so laid back.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 15, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I completely agree about SoCal Mexican
There’s really nothing like it anywhere. I miss Santa Barbara taco stands and the awesome LA mom & pop joints.
What I wouldn’t give to have just one of those places here.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 16, 2009 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think thats bad!
I used to work at Dos Hombres in the Springs. I’m aware of the mexican food there but in Missouri I just as soon eat at Taco Bell for my “Authentic” mexican food.
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
by 3nS on Jul 16, 2009 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kind of off the subject...
but I grew up in the Springs….if you want Mexican food recommendations, let me know…
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
WHO SAYS WOMEN DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL?!? :)
by fooballa303 on Jul 16, 2009 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My appologies to John
We are off the subject but try the tomales at El Taco Rey.
Mitchell “80”
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
by 3nS on Jul 16, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Taco Rey
has excellent Chile Verde(my Fave). don’t go to La Casita. Taco Bell IS better than that.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Jul 16, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if "Three Thieves" is still there?
They had a marriachi band that came to one’s table, and I liked the food a lot. Many, many years ago though.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 16, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
They closed a while back. I heard it was good though.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Jul 16, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a silver lining.
See, where Griese, Plummer, and Cutler all felt the pressure, and ultimately failed, was that they were being compaired to Elway, the greatest QB in NFL History.
Orton will be compaired to Cutler, not Elway, so that right there will be a HUGE weight off his shoulders that the others had to bear. That alone will make being the Denver Broncos Quarterback that much easier. Who knows, maybe now we can have a QB that succeeds.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Jul 15, 2009 9:21 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
It may be a simple point that you make...
….but one I didn’t think of. Excellent call, and rec’d comment!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That works for me!
thanx man. SWEEEETT work!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Jul 15, 2009 9:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great as always Bear - Question is Orton less skilled then Cassal?
You reduce expectations when you say “The Broncos could do a lot worse” but Mat Cassal had a good enough year (one year) to get a major contract this week. Could Orton not do equally well or even exceed that performance? Do the Broncos have an equal or better supporting cast than N.E. last year?
by Lisa FB on Jul 16, 2009 5:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the compliment
But John wrote the article!
Is Orton less skilled than Cassel? Actually, I thought them similar. They made the same errors – patting the baby and throwing a flat pass over the line. Cassel was sacked more, Orton was consistently harassed. Both are very good, both will continue to improve with good coaching and playing time. Both are very hard workers. Cassel is going into a lesser situation in terms of line and receivers/weapons. That speaks well for us. You’re right in that. As far as us vs. NE? I think that their team is more established and their D more proven. How good can we be? Very good, although it may take some time.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 16, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd!
Great job breaking down all three QB’s. It will be interesting to see McD’s offense unfold this year and also see whether Orton will flourish here or not. I tend to think he will, given his pre-injury results from last year.
I understand a significant percentage of Bears’ fans were disappointed Orton was traded away. That makes me anticipate the upcoming season even more. I would really like to see what this guy can do with Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Moreno, Hillis, Graham, Sheffler and Gaffney (man… that is a lot of weapons!).
Let’s go 2009! 13-3 Baby!!! Err… 9-7 Baby!!! (I think our schedule is a killer)
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jul 16, 2009 8:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm new here...
Glad to have found MHR – loving the breakdowns, especially this one. I voted “feel good” about the QB situation. I’m even more excited about the coaching situation. I will always appreciate what Mike brought. But I’m ready for the team first mentality and fresh scheming. I too believe this could be a breakout year for KO.
Mix great weapons and a killer o-line with McD’s unseen spin on the Patriot way…then shake, stir, and enjoy all the analysts falling over themselves to explain how a Shanahan-less and JC-less Broncos team could be in the playoffs!
rec’d
by mtnmaniax on Jul 16, 2009 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks and WELCOME!!!
We’re glad you found us and look forward to a great 2009!
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by John Bena on Jul 16, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton
I am a Bears fan first, Broncos second, and I will tell you this. Kyle Orton is a leader, and a winner. Before he was hurt last year he was in the top 4, yes four QB’s in the NFC, and in only his first year as the bona fide(getting all the practice reps) starting QB. My only worry,the long ball…and the head case of your so called coach.
by WeenedOnGin on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post WOG
You’re preaching to the choir about Kyle Orton. I am a big Bears fan as well and believe Orton will have a great year in 2009. Josh McD is not the guy portrayed by the national media. Imo, he will do a great job with the Broncos, and his excellect QB coaching skills will help Kyle reach his potential. The Patriot’s style spread offense is a perfect fit and for the first time in his career, Orton has a supporting cast. Orton’s smile says it all!
by rocko1 on Jul 16, 2009 5:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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