2009 Denver Broncos -- Breaking Down The Roster -- Cornerbacks
The cornerback position has reputedly been a strength of the Broncos since 2004, when Champ Bailey was acquired in a trade for Clinton Portis. Of course, that has never really fully been the case. Bailey struggled somewhat in that 2004 season, and his accompaniment at the position was terrible. I am sure we all remember the complete coverage debacle against the Colts in the January 2005 playoffs. In 2005, to make up for the shortcoming, the Broncos drafted Darrent Williams, Domonique Foxworth, and Karl Paymah, landing a very good player who tragically died much too soon, an average player who is a very bright and upstanding guy, and a total stiff who has never figured out the NFL game.
The 2006 Broncos were pretty strong in coverage, and following Darrent Williams' tragic murder, the Broncos traded for Dre' Bly. The combination of Bailey and Bly looked to be outstanding on paper, but Bly struggled in 2007, and Bailey spent most of 2008 injured, (though Bly played a lot better than he was given credit for, in Bailey's absence in 2008).
Once again, the CB position appears to be one of strength for the Broncos. This is the best collection of talent at the position that the Broncos have ever had at one time, in their history. With some luck in the health department, and some pass rush, this group could force a lot of turnovers, and allow very few big plays in the passing game and perimeter run game. After the jump, we'll go through the individual personnel, and discuss some reasons Broncos fans should be so excited about this group.
Champ Bailey is an 8-time Pro Bowl selection, and 6-time All-Pro. We're not exactly breaking new news when we say that the guy is good. In his injury-plagued 2008 season, Champ started all nine games in which he appeared, recording 44 tackles, 1 sack, 1 interception, and 3 passes defensed.
Some MSM pundits (as always, meant negatively) are really overselling the dubious "Champ-has-lost-a-step" theory. When healthy, Champ is still the most dangerous CB in the NFL. The reason he holds that distinction over Nnamdi Asomugha is that given Champ's rare preference for playing off coverage, he often baits QBs into throwing the ball to his side when they really shouldn't. No CB is better than Champ at catching the football, recognizing or playing the run, or at making solid form tackles. It's easy to forget how good he really is, since he was hurt most of last season, but Champ is one of the very best all-around players in the NFL. We have every reason to expect a full return to Champ's dominating form this season. Just think back to his somewhat banged-up/disappointing first year in Denver (2004), and how outstanding he was in 2005.
In 2009, expect Champ to come back with a vengeance, and to shut up all of the whispering. He probably won't assume the vocal leadership presence on the defense that some have been calling for for years, but with Brian Dawkins in the fold now, that need is significantly lessened.
Out of all of the personnel moves the Broncos made this offseason, the Andre' Goodman signing is probably the one which I liked the best. Most people don't nearly realize how outstanding this guy was for the Dolphins last season. I watched at least 8 full Dolphins games last season, and Goodman was definitely one of the 10 best CBs in the NFL in 2008. This is the guy who held Brandon Marshall to 2 catches for 16 years, and was in his jersey the entire game. Remember how frustrated Brandon was in that game? In 2008, Andre' started all 16 games for the Dolphins, recording 39 tackles, 5 interceptions, and 19 passes defensed (a very high number).
A physical and athletic CB, with very good ball skills, Goodman is a late-bloomer who seems to be just entering his prime as a player, despite his age. He has low mileage, partly due to a history of shoulder injuries. If Goodman can stay healthy, he will pleasantly surprise most fans, and he'll be very hard to beat on the opposite side of Champ Bailey. He's not quite the most active run-defender, but he's better at it than Dre' Bly or Domonique Foxworth ever were. Goodman is tremendous in zone coverage, which I expect we'll see a lot of from the Broncos this season, given Champ Bailey's preference for it, as well.
If Goodman can replicate his 2008 play in the Mile High City, the Broncos have two legitimate #1 CBs, something no other NFL team can claim. His signing has a tremendous amount of upside, and represents terrific value for the relatively small dollar amount which he signed for.
On Draft Day, I posted "I love Alphonso Smith!!!!" on the front page, and as time has passed, I've only come to appreciate him more and more. This guy is a playmaker, and he is one of the quickest and most explosive CBs out of his breaks that you'll ever see. All this stuff about his 40 time being average, and him being too short is garbage, and it comes from people who don't know what they're talking about. Watch some film of Wake Forest over the last four years, and I guarantee that #2 will jump off the screen at you. He was also tremendous at the Senior Bowl.
Smith combines the rare fluidity and quickness, which I mentioned before, with great hands, and a real penchant for hitting. He comes from an excellently-coached Wake Forest program, where, as a matter of stated policy, all players redshirt as freshmen, and nearly all stay in the program for 5 years, as Alphonso did. He is more mentally and physically mature than the large majority of his rookie counterparts.
I strongly believe that Alphonso Smith will be a terrific addition to the team, both as a rookie, and for years to come. He was a legitimate mid first-round caliber player, and the Broncos got him in the early part of the second round. This season, he should win the nickelback job, and do a great job in covering opposing slot receivers. In the future, I expect Alphonso Smith to be in the mix for making the Pro Bowl most years, because he'll always be near the top of the NFL in interceptions.
Jack Williams came to the Broncos amid high hopes last season, as a 4th-round pick from Kent State. He didn't play very much (or very well) as a rookie, once the preseason ended, so those expectations were largely unmet. With his surname and short stature (the 5-9 listing above is probably 2 inches generous), fans hoped he would remind them of Darrent Williams. Jack appeared in 14 games as a rookie, and made 13 tackles.
Jack is feisty and quick, but he's not as talented as the 3 players who will ultimately be ahead of him on the depth chart. He can, however, be a good 4th CB, and a solid contributor on special teams. He is probably facing a battle in camp with the somewhat more experienced Josh Bell. (If you think not all experience is positive, Bell's may not be an advantage). With Darcel McBath able to swing between Safety and Cornerback, don't be surprised if the Broncos only keep 4 full-time CBs when the roster is finalized. JMFW should be the fourth one of them, but he'll have to earn his spot, because this regime has nothing invested in him.
Josh Bell played in 9 games last season, with 5 starts. He made 34 tackles and had 4 passes defensed. Truth be told, he wasn't very good as a rookie, but he tried hard, and occasionally, he would flash some promise. He has a hard-worker's chance of making the team this season, but out of the top six CBs (including McBath) he is definitely the least talented of the six.
Others
DJ Johnson and Tony Carter appear to probably be training camp roster-filler. Darcel McBath's positional versatilty allows the Broncos to keep 4 true safeties, and 4 true CBs, and probably means that Jack Williams, Josh Bell, and Josh Barrett are battling it out for 2 roster spots.
Position Outlook
With good health in the secondary, average soundness in run defense, and any pass rush at all, the Broncos can be in the top 10 in the NFL in pass defense. This is a huge departure from last season, when they were functionally the worst in the NFL.
We're not able to be very sure about the coverage schemes which Mike Nolan will employ, but it is safe to assume that they'll be better than the Slowik special (CB covers with outside leverage, and repeatedly gets beaten to the inside, when the LB or S doesn't get to his spot in the zone concept).
Champ Bailey, Andre' Goodman, and Alphonso Smith are all tremendous talents, and this position group (along with Safety) is a key reason that most people are underrating the Broncos' chances to be solid on defense in 2009, and to dramatically overperform all this 4-12, doom and gloom, nay-saying.
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voted josh bell cuz i thought it was asking who i thought would make the team lol. I think Josh Bell while he was undrafted definitely was the best of the three last year and even had that one interception against miami I believe. He even filled in for Champ when he was out. Seems to me like he is the most likely to make the team. Jack Williams while the highest drafted seems the most likely cut.
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Nevermind
I thought I remembered him having an interception lol, guess not.
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by GarretBarnes on Jul 16, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
"We want to be the best secondary in the league."
I can’t remember which player (Champ?/Andre?) said that, but I’m pretty sure I heard it. Maybe even from a couple of players. That could happen and it would be SWEET! : )
Thanks Ted!
Our secondary is far and away the most improved unit on this team. We’ll likely have to cut a good player like Jack Williams, Bell or Barrett. This is a good problem to have.
I know the front seven got a lot of grief for 2008, but I felt the secondary (sans Champ)was the worst in football and THE weak link of our defense. I sure don’t miss Bly, Paymuh, Manuel, McCree, or Lowry.
I’m excited for picks and forced fumbles in 2009 from these guys.
+1
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by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 16, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Ditto
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
+2000
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by metalman5050 on Jul 16, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I really don't think it's a stretch
to suggest that we might have one of the 3 or 4 best secondaries in the league—with a great mix of vets and young bucks at both safety and corner. If our improved safety play indeed frees up our linebackers to make some plays, and If the d-line can be even average, we could make some nice strides defensively this year, and force more turnovers than we have in a long time. This summer can’t end soon enough!!
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U go BC!
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by metalman5050 on Jul 16, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions
You bet, McG
Great work, Ted – Thanks, Rec’d, etc. I’m beyond thrilled about this group.
There are three groups in any professional corporation or organization. Group 1 are those tapped in, who buy in and are enthusiastic – we now have a ton of them. Group 2 wants to tap in and will if the vibration is strong enough. Group 3 drags their feet and sabotages, actively or through inactivity. Right now we have Brandon, who I believe wants to join Group 2. Everyone else seems on board and enthusiastic. The choices of leaders and quality players, the mix of veterans and young men is exciting and will be for years to come.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
+1
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by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 16, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Right on, bear!
I think our team’s enthusiasm is one of its greatest assets. I’ll be watching the early parts of the season, hoping that it’s not shattered by a loss or two. If they can get and keep a swagger, there’s no limit to where they can go in a year or two. Hell, maybe even this year!
Bring on CAMP!
by BroncosBassist on Jul 16, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Great post Ted. We have great corners this year and for years to come.
I loved the signing of Andre Goodman also and the drafting of Alphonso Smith. We finally have an elite level of safeties to go along with our corners…this year is going to be exciting! Plus, it looks like Alphonso Smith gets to learn from some great corners in Champ and Goodman. Hopefully he’s taking a lot of notes.
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Moulton
Moulton was waived June 18. Not that he would be in competition anyway.
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ESPN must have missed that.
I will edit him out.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jul 16, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
You know how it is
Nothing gets past these MHR guys.
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done
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by Ted Bartlett on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I think our defense...
Will be better than most people think. We’ve got the best all around group of corners and safeties we’ve ever had, our LB’s show promise (and we look set to have plenty of them) so the big question of course, is how the front line will play and what schemes we will use.
I am excited to see how things shape up. I think many people underestimate the amount of thought that went into most of the Broncos draft and personnel moves this offseason.
+1
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by RockyMtnHigh on Jul 16, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm excited about
this group of DB’s we will have in the mix at CB and Safety. I can’t think of another team that has as much depth all around back there as the Broncos will. That alone should help the Bronco defense improve from a dismal 2008 showing.
Iggles? Titans?
Iggles:
Brown and Samuel at starting CB (both at least ProBowl, if not AllPro quality)
Joselio Hanson at Nickel, who looked amazingly good last year (and beat out a former ProwBowler Lito Sheppard) after being laughably bad as a rookie… not sure who their #4 is, but is likely similar to JW or JB…
Mickell (All Pro in 2008) and Demps (replaced Dawk on passing downs) at starting safety, with Considine (split as starter with Mickell) as a backup.
Iggles might not have as much safety depth, but their CBs are at the very least comparable, and likely have better top-end quality at Safety.
Plus, they have a great passrush, so they likely won’t be placed on an island as much (but thats a whole seperate question).
or perhaps the Titans, but thats may be more really good starters vs. depth:
Finnegan and Harper at CB
Hope and Griffin at S
Anyone know about their depth?
I'll buy that...
and just to comment on your passrush statement. Having stronger coverage should help the QB pressure aspect as well. Great pressure on the QB heips the coverage. It all has to work together to be successful. Something that has been missing on the Denver D for a couple of years.
Not sure about the Titans depth and wasn’t Griffin inconsistent last year?
don't forget ellis hobbs
the eagles got him in a trade!
by CardsDefense on Jul 17, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I think its possible ..
That we keep 5 safties with Bruton, since the upside with Bruton on ST is so good. We use the 3 CB and our new favorite word…. hybrid…… Safety/CBs to add extra DBs and cover for injuries.
If we keep four, I would say right now, that it is most likely Bell who will make it. Of course all this will work out based on performance in camp and injuries. But I just don’t see Williams being there come September.
Anticipation is killing me
Wow positive bloggers! Regardless of our DBs our front 3 have to pressure the QB and run stop or our secondary is going to get killed. Hopefully Fields can produce that push and Nolan will prove to be that defensive “guru” that is being touted. I am a big fan of Barrett-he reminds me of Dawkins, even before BD was signed away from Philly. He is big, fast, strong-I think it would be a mistake to cut him. It will be nice to see WW on the field, that dude is a stud!
I would love
to see WW on the field consistently. He has IT. We can only do better at SOMETHING if he is out there.
I just don’t know what!
Can’t wait for the LB preview.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 16, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Not Quite There Yet
Ted, I really enjoy your analysis yet again, but I must differ with you on your comment, “Once again, the CB position appears to be one of strength for the Broncos. This is the best collection of talent at the position that the Broncos have ever had at one time, in their history.”
I think the comment is a bit premature and hyperbolic. This group may turn out to earn that kind of praise, but I think it is early.
Using the recent past, a younger Bailey with the cornerback draft year, then the addition of Bly looked real good at the time on paper.
Historically, you would have a hard time convincing me that the Orange Crush crowd with the early Billy Thompson and Louis Wright at CB have been eclipsed.
Still, I like your analysis and hope you are right.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jul 16, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions
Was Billy Thompson a CB early in his career?
I was born in 1977, so I wouldn’t have seen any of that. Early Broncos history is definitely a blind spot for me.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jul 16, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Billy Thompson
started as a CB in 1970, but I don’t think he was ever paired with Louis Wright (maybe for the 1975 season) but that was before the Orange Crush really.
The Orange Crush backfield was Wrigth and Steve Foley at CB – Thompson and Bernard Jackson at SAF.
On paper I would say the current group rivals them, but the proof is in the playing.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 16, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
A question about depth
The starters are a big key, but the quality of the younger or depth players comes int this. I’m not sure if Ted’s statement is true or not, but he’s referring to over depth as much as starters. Bailey is still one of the best until someone shows otherwise – Goodman appears to be peaking in his career and is a very good player.
I will grant that we are forecasting the skills of the younger players, and I’m not sure how that plays out. Still – I’d love to know about the ones behind the starters as well. I think that the thrust of the statement was simply this -
These guys look very, very good!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Optimism is Warranted
I agree that the moves in the secondary are very promising. I just don’t want to judge the strength of this crew until we see them in play. I was very fond of the secondary in the last 70’s. So much depends on the play of the front 7 on how good a secondary looks and injuries may plague us again..
Still, let’s be enthusiastic as training camp is finally upon us. Let the games begin.
by Baltimore Bronco on Jul 16, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I nominate BB as the #1 Bronco fan at MHR...
…because he’s like the dad whose kid is the worst player on the team. He’s can’t muster much hope but puts on the brave face and brings his love and support anyway. I admire that. That’s being a fan.
Hang in there, BB, your rainbows and lollipops are waiting just ahead of the bend. <I’d give you a keyboard smile or wink, but that’s just not how I roll…but the sentiment is the same>
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 16, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
In fairness to Ted...
…“on paper” is all we have to go on when writing a “preview”.
At least on paper, I’m as stoked as Ted is for the secondary. The DL and LBs is what is going to be tricky. (I’m doing safeties and receivers, so I have a little luck there).
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Jul 16, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too, I also have Offensive Tackles
I can be very positive :)
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by Ted Bartlett on Jul 16, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Excellent work, my friend!
After working on the safeties position, I was eager to read your take on the CBs. As always, you hit it out of the park.
I very much buy into the following:
With good health in the secondary, average soundness in run defense, and any pass rush at all, the Broncos can be in the top 10 in the NFL in pass defense.
It is pretty darned close to what I wrote in a comment under the safeties story:
If the pass rush is just "average" in combination with our excellent safeties, watch for our CBs to have a terrific year. If the front seven either has a good pass rush, OR stops the run consistently, our DBs will have a pro bowl season (likely more than one player).
By pro bowl seasons, I meant pro bowl play, not neccassarily pro bowl appearances.
Excellent, and rec’d!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Front 3
I’d be about the last person to minimize the importance of the front line. However – one perspective is this:
Last year, we often started Dewayne Robertson and Thomas or Peterson at DT and Doom/someone – might be Eck, might be Engelberger – at DE. That’s 317 now for DR, although he played at about 308 last year, 295 for Peterson and 305 for Thomas, who has since worked up to 316. Engelberger was 268, Doom 248 (But it’s also worth a note that all of our guys lost huge amounts of average weight over the season. That’s 1119 – 1129 lb, total, at their heaviest. We started DJ at Will, Winborn at Sam and Webster at Mike. Total, 712. So, 1831 to 1841 lb. total weight for the front 7 last year.
Look at a probably starting line this year. Thomas at RDE, 317. Fields at 316, and let’s just say McBean, since he’s light at 297. 930 Total.
Linebackers – Reid, 270, Ayers, 275 Davis 250, DJ 242. 1036 Total. That’s 1966 vs. 1831
Guys, a gain of 135 lb. of starting weight on the front 7 is nothing at all to be sneezed at. Some of our options Push that up further – a gain of over 160 lb, in fact – using Powell at 316 instead of McBean (which may happen), Haggan at ILB who is 268 instead of Davis, etc, etc. We have 5-2 options that are quite stout. Against the run, size does often matter – so does scheme, of course. We have a clear improvement in size without resorting to overweight retreads like Sam Adams and the Bates Boys. I consider this an advantage as well. We also have this weird thing called a scheme, which should matter as well. Will we be great? I don’t know – probably just average. But after what Football Outsiders called one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year, average looks really good.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Exactly
I’ve been beating this drum for some time now — both here and at the DP forums — but the added weight will make it tougher to wear down our defensive front.
OLB play is really the key to how the defense performs this year: the ability of Reid, Doom, Ayers, Crowder/Moss and DJ to both cover and get to the passer will impact the play not only of the d-line, but also of the corners and safeties.
We’re significantly upgraded all over the defense, it seems to me. But everything hinges on the play of a bunch of hybrids at OLB. I may have signed somebody like Ellis just to be safe, but evidently, the coaching staff liked what it saw both on film and at OTAs from the players it has.
Here’s hoping Reid and one of our erstwhile “busts” steps up and can truly play that position. Moss seems best suited, but the whispers have been that Crowder could be the man. Can’t wait for camp.
I can't vote for Alphonso Smith to get cut, where is the Democracy in that
I expect that we will trade A. Smith for Troy Brown to play CB, since he knows the system, lol!
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Great job TB. and thank you.
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Thanx Ted...
I needed that!
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Great post & Rec'd!
We have completely revamped our DB’s.
Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Hill, Dawkins >>>>>>>>>>> Bailey, Bly, Bell, McCree, Manual
I agree that this group could potentially be the best defensive backfield in the NFL. Easily top 5.
Enjoyed the piece Ted, thank you.
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