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If I saw the man, I’d go shake his hand. He gave me a chance to put a stamp on my career of a winner and get some good wins in there. I have to live with myself. He’s gotta live with himself down the road. So I don’t have hard feelings and I don’t hold grudges. He got his due there, I think it was a year past due. He should have been gone a year before and I’ve already said all that stuff. But he’ll find himself somewhere coaching again and cutting some other good quarterback for another young kid. Who knows?"

Former Broncos QB Jake Plummer, talking about Mike Shanahan, this morning on ESPN 1600 in Denver

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haha

I love Plummer … although I could have done without the leftie toss

by Todd Jewell on Jul 16, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I always think to myself...

“what if he had completed that?” It would have been fluky, of course, but VERY cool! Heck, I think it is cool that he even attempted it.

Of course, at the time I never got to see post-season games, so I was very much “in the now” with my Bronco watching. I didn’t ask for much in those days.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 16, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

i was a huge jake the snake fan

was never really ready for the cutler saga to take place and thought shanny pulled the trigger on jake to early….
Jake was probly my favorite player for us other than TD and Elway or the past decade….just loved his passion and everything…..
The boot leg deep bomb he always threw to Lelie was awesome…

But yes the leftie throw was classic

Mile High Salute

by TommyTSlice on Jul 16, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

I was a big Plummer fan as well

and loved watching him despite those face-cringing moments. I didn’t think Shanny would pull the trigger on Jake that soon either.

Jake doen’t hold any grudges which on thing I like about him, however I think he is a little bitter though. He left the game on his own terms and is happy about it.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jul 16, 2009 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I too liked Plummer...

But my gawd he was playing awful the year he was benched.

Plummer was a good QB if you didn’t ask him to do too much…. because he simply didn’t handle pressure very well.

When the team was clicking in 2005, he was great. However, whenever the team got behind he’d try so hard to make a play that his reads broke down, and he ended up making goofy passes into coverage, etc. The AFC Championship game vs. the Steelers is exhibit A, and there were many others.

Once Cutler was on the bench behind him, he was so intent on trying to make plays that he and the offense completely fell apart. Someone can correct me on the specifics, but we were averaging ~13 points/per game with him starting that year… and it went up to 20+ with rookie Cutler starting.

The only reason we had a winning record that year before Plummer was benched is because the DEF went ~4 games without giving up a TD… but then Wilson got hurt and the rest is history.

This is not to say anything bad about Plummer… Plummer was an above average NFL QB, with 1 very clear weakness… Shanny (and we fans) shouldn’t have been surprised about how it turned out, because it fit perfectly with Plummer’s history. In that sense, it was poor coahing on Shanny’s part to create the situation with Plummer/Cutler, because it set Plummer up to fail (although given the promise and ability of Cutler, it tough to argue drafting Cutler was a bad decision).

by cjfarls on Jul 17, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

You are right on the point per game.

Plummer was constantly looking over his shoulder when Culter was drafted and just made more bad decisions upon the ones he already made.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jul 17, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bitter?

Not at all.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Jul 16, 2009 6:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Plummer is awesome

He’s right on with his points too. Shanny cut the cord on him way too early.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 16, 2009 7:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Jake Plummer's feelings toward Shanny are best summed up...

in Stefan Fatsis’ book A FEW SECONDS OF PANIC wherein Jake says (after being benched for the boy wonder in 2006 because Jake didn’t meet 100% of off-season workouts – not to mention an incredibly awful game against the Chiefs… on Thanksgiving… on psuedo-national TV — The inlaws still don’t have freakin’ NFL Network): “Mike Shannahan can kiss my f-king a$$ for being pissed at that. You can quote that. I made eighty-five percent of my workouts and he’s still mad about it… Give me a break. That’s the dumbest f-king thing on earth.” (Page 316-7)

In retrospect, Plummer was the freakin’ man. Best QB the Broncos have had in 10 years.

J

by Jezru on Jul 16, 2009 7:42 PM MDT reply actions  

P.S.

This book is freakin’ awesome. I highly highly recommend it to all Broncos fans.

J

by Jezru on Jul 16, 2009 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good find Jezru

I’ll be checking that out.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 16, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I second that

The Fatsis book is absolutely great for insight on Jake. I had my issues with Jake as a player, but man, you get a great sense of what a leader Jake really was from the book.

I freakin’ loved that book too- can’t recommend it any more highly for Bronco Fans

by AllBroncsallday on Jul 16, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also...

Really helps you know Jason Elam. Truly an interesting dude unto himself.

by Jezru on Jul 16, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no kidding huh

I really didn’t have any idea that he did so many different things.

by AllBroncsallday on Jul 16, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't got to that page yet

but I’m workin on it.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 16, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I frickin love Jake Plummer,

not just in football, but all around all of us, there’s fake people talkin nothin – here’s to a guy who tells it like it is when he’s asked. He won three quarters of his starts. Good to see he still cares about this team as we do.

by quarterhorse on Jul 16, 2009 7:43 PM MDT reply actions  

I think I am going to grow a beard in honor of Jake the Snake.

(If I could grow one…) Anyway, I love the dude and he’s always welcome at my handball games (if I ever have handball games…)

No stairway... Denied!

by papigrande on Jul 16, 2009 7:56 PM MDT reply actions  

haha

I always called him “Captain Caveman” when I would watch games

by Todd Jewell on Jul 16, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey papi!

Haven’t seen you in a while.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Jul 17, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

“(If I could grow one…) Anyway, I love the dude and he’s always welcome at my handball games (if I ever have handball games…)”

AWESOME. You are my new favorite poster. I’m rockin the ‘stache, which is about the best I can do, lol. In retrospect, Jake was frickin’ awesome. The guy won 75% of his games for us. He helped us beat NE. That was huge. Oh, and the Bailey interception. I still get chills just thinking about it. I said aloud to those standing around me at the bar: “ya know, if Brady tries that again he’s toast.” And THEN……………………………………….
It was awesome. Anyways, The Snake. So yea, the guy didn’t exactly have a laser-rocket arm, but he did well with what he had. He could bootleg like a motherfu**er. To this day, that is still probably my favorite play in football.

“The boot leg deep bomb he always threw to Lelie was awesome”

 YES. Especially in Madden. Lelie (at that point) was unstoppable. Those were the good old days for us is Madden. I hear their lead design guy (at EA) is a Raiders fan. Go figure. Maybe that’s the reason why we always get hosed. WEll, crow tastes in the winter, so I also hear.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Jul 16, 2009 10:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I´m growing a neck-beard. (Nard?)

by Broncosincebirth on Jul 17, 2009 3:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

loving papi is fine

however he has a van. DO NOT get in the van.

And avoid the lotion if at all possible.

And remember to delete your cookies after every session or use a device such as proximitron. Its the sensible thing to do!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 17, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

GOOD. That should make more sense, lol.

So I hear..SO I HEAR. 13-3 baby!! I’m officially on the bus.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Jul 16, 2009 10:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Welcome to La-la-land.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Jul 17, 2009 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I always liked Plummer

He could be frustrating to watch at times but what QB doesn’t have his bad days. The guy won more games than he lost, and I always liked his attitude, drive, and leadership qualities. The few things that I always felt cutler lacked.

I have not read that book but will certainly add it to my list of must reads!

by Stuman on Jul 17, 2009 7:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Shanny missed a perfect opportunity

to put jake’s brain in cutler’s body.

And don’t tell me they can’t do it. I have seen with my own eyes their labs for building Olinemen.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 17, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

They use Prestone 2

Like in Re-Animator.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 17, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Always liked Jake, too, but...

I thought Shanny was right on for getting Cutler and then inserting him when he did.

After ‘06 it was crystal clear that Plummer had topped out in Shanahan’s system. He was as good as he was ever going to get, which wasn’t enough versus the Steelers that year. Then, the next season, with Cutler on the bench, Jake pretty much imploded.

I got no problem with Shanny’s decision to bench Jake for Cutler. The whole problem with the Broncos since then has been defense and he did himself and the team in with his lack of direction on that side of the ball. Just 7 months ago, if a poll was taken, 90+% of us would’ve agreed that with only a mediocre defense, the Broncos would’ve been in the playoffs and a legit threat to do some damage.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Jul 17, 2009 8:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree

Love Jake (Idaho represent!) and was upset on a personal level that they benched him….but from a logical standpoint I couldn’t argue with it. Let’s all go play some handball.

by appleshampoo on Jul 17, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only thing I can really say is what I feel...so here's how I feel.

Jay Cutler is a guy that if you were with him in a bar and got into a fight, he’d cower off in the corner. He’s the guy that would say “no way man, I didn’t have nothin to do with it”.

Jake would get in the action and punch a guy because he’s loyal to me if I’m loyal to him.

Jake Plummer was ALWAYS a standup guy for Shanahan and the Broncos. He never once had something bad to say about the team or the fans. He loves Denver still and I like to think he’s still a Bronco fan in his heart. There’s been too many instances that I’ve heard about Shanahan really sucking the fun and joy out of playing the game. It’s one thing to be driven, but when you’re practically insulting your players and their intelligence…that’s crossing the line.

I don’t hold anything Jake did against him. He was put in a really crappy spot to begin with. Cutler was the obvious successor to the throne, but to have your coach pretty much openly admit to liking one over another is garbage. I bet if Jake had more job security in the year, he would have done just fine before the benching and after it. Not much changed between 05 and 06, except Jay Cutler.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 18, 2009 12:59 AM MDT reply actions  

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