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Horse Tracks 7/17/09 - Rod Smith to the College HOF. Congrats, 80!

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DB - Not Satisfied
Brett Kern has packed on nearly 20 pounds of muscle to give himself a stronger leg with better hangtime and consistency. According to Gray Caldwell, Kern's gross average in 2008 was the third-best in Broncos history, yet only the fifth-best in the NFL last year. Wow, that does not speak well for the Broncos; with that thin air, they should have the best punting numbers every year!!!

DB - Learning from Head to Toe
Britton Colquitt is the fourth punting Colquitt to be a on an NFL roster. He's already learning quite a bit from Mike Priefer, who has turned Britton's brother Dustin into one of the better punters in the league.

ESPN Insider - How to build better pros - Eddie Royal and athletic tape
Molly Knight offers an interesting peek into how Eddie Royal's unorthodox uses for athletic tape, who tapes him and the team hierarchy involved in the process.

HC - Windsor's Baker Not Resting In Bid To Make Broncos
Chris Baker's hometown paper peeks in on a tough workout for the tackle. Baker is getting himself down to 320 lbs. by the time camp begins and is back in Denver.

NFLN - NFL Videos: Marshall in studio
BMarsh dances around several questions despite the best efforts of Jamie Dukes to get him to rip into Josh McDaniels, the Broncos organization and Kyle Orton. To me, it sure doesn't sound like he wants to be a Bronco; he refers to the team as "The Broncos" and never as "we" or "us" - nor does he include himself among the list of WRs. Granted, there's always the chance he just gets over all of this...

DP - Broncos' Marshall: I will report on time
LJones' take on BMarsh's appearance on NFLTA.

CSG - Broncos' Marshall says he will report to training camp

CSG - Position-by-position training camp preview: Defensive backs | defensive, position, most
Frank Schwab looks at the D-Backs - he shares some awful statistics on the safeties which explain why we're looking at 4 brand new guys heading into camp.

USAT - Rod Smith ran unusual route right into college Hall of Fame
#80 is being enshrined this weekend in the College Football HOF. Eddie Timanus has a neat story about how Rod became a WR in the first place. Rod says he still doesn't watch the NFL Draft out of bitterness. HA! You're still the man, Rod. Congrats from MHR!!!

NFL - Players, media have trust issues with McDaniels
Everyone's favorite NFLN "Analyst" has a blog entry speculating on how much/little the Broncos trust Coach McDaniels.

ESPN - Interconference matchups: NFC East/AFC West - Matt Mosley

 

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CCT - Agent: Raiders draft pick agrees to contract

KCS - Daily download | Rison is still a huge fan of himself

NFL - Cardinals LB Dansby 'disappointed' about not receiving long-term deal

NFL - Prosecutors dismiss drug charge against Packers' Jolly but could refile

NFL - Redskins confident in Kentucky DE Jarmon, their supplemental draft pick

NFP - Redskins' pick could have an impact - Wes Bunting

SI - Larry Fitzgerald invites Jerry Rice, Cris Carter to instruct camp - Jim Trotter
BMarsh was/has been working with quite a group in Minnesota.

PFW - AFC East training-camp previews

NFP - Camp countdown: AFC North - Matt Bowen

NFP - Big contracts and economic uncertainty - Robert Boland

CBS - Summer concerns: Training camp questions for each team - Pete Prisco

NFL - Jones-Drew will be focal point of running game, but Jaguars plan to share - Vic Carucci

NFLN - NFL Videos: Top 10 players 5'9" and under
I thought shorter players weren't even allowed into the NFL. What gives?!

NFLN - NFL Videos: Best organizations
Jamie Dukes ranks them. No, I didn't watch it.

FOX - Schein's Nine: Cards back in Super Bowl? - Adam Schein

NFLN - NFL Videos: 32 in 32: Indianapolis Colts

NYT - More Pessimism on Jets - The Fifth Down Blog - Toni Monkovic

NFP - Diner morning news: 'The Danny' makes a hire
Lombardi has some fun sitting in Daniel Snyder's seat for a day.

CBS - Shunned by NFL, Texas Tech's Harrell heads to Canada

NFL - Top offensive tackle prospects for 2010 hail from the Big 12 - Gil Brandt

CBS - Six pack of seniors who could graduate to first-round status - Rob Rang

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Thanks as always NYC - you do a heroic job with this

But I have to take you to task over your punting comment. Gross average is a individual statistic – net average is the team statistic. It doesn’t really matter how far you kick it if you’re constantly out-kicking your coverage. I would much rather have a guy that generates great hang time and can kick directionally when needed than worry at all about gross average – just my take. Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Jul 17, 2009 6:25 AM MDT reply actions  

I understand your point

Yes, it’s really about net average. But Kern fares much worse in that category. There are several players who were ahead of him in 2008 in BOTH gross and net average. You are assuming that guys who kick farther are just line-driving it, but that is not the case. They have distance, and they have hang time, and they have excellent net averages. The Broncos have a natural advantage with the altitude; the leaders each year, and across NFL history, should be littered with Broncos. This has not been the case. That is a problem. Not with Brett Kern specifically; this is not about him.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

The broncos should at best have an advantage

with initial kick distance, but the dynamics of ‘thin air’ cuts both ways.

The ball can be kicked farther with less air resistance, but hang time isn’t improved because the ball goes up faster and comes down faster. Additionally, outckicking coverage would be a commone error for someone not prepared, since the ball has the same hangtime numbers (and end result) of a long line drive.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 17, 2009 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Perhaps I should have left it to an engineer to answer before I chimed in.

So what do you suppose would happen if say, Shane Lechler were the Broncos’ punter?

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

No discernable effect....

Of the various factors that affect the trajectory of a punt, field position, tactics (pooch versus kick away), wind, weather, temperature and humidity, air density due to elevation is the least significant.

As far as I know, there’s no evidence that punters see their averages go up in Denver. It’s just one of those things the announcers have to drone on about mindlessly.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice follow-up comments, guys!

I’ve seen or heard somewhere (as usual, I have no references to back me up), that Mile High is good for an extra 4% in gross – all other things being equal (one advantage in Denver is that the sun is usually shining and the wind, if present, is usually pretty mellow). Kern’s poor net may reflect our historically poor coverage teams (one of Shanny’s major shortcomings in my eyes) and his inability to keep away from the touchback.

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Jul 17, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Touchbacks

was probably the biggest factor. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I did some research on Kern in Jan. If you exclude TBs I think he was 3rd in gross average.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

But touchbacks are included in gross average, no? If you punt a ball from midfield and through the end zone, it is a 50-yard gross punt with a 30-yard net. So touchbacks actually help, rather than harm the gross average.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you punt from the 35

and it travels 50 yards through the endzone its still only a 35 yard punt. It cuts both ways which is why the NFL statistics for punters are horse dung.

If you looked at the box score from the SD/Ind playoff game you would think Scifres did a so-so job. If you watched the game he was probably the MVP.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree the stats are dumb.

But why do you say touchbacks hurt Kern’s gross average? Do you mean that field position did so? I don’t remember a whole lot of punts by Denver from inside the 40 last year.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

From Yahoo Sports

Kern
punts – 46 (fewest for 14 or more games)
yards – 2149
gross avg – 46.7 (5th)
inside 20 – 13
inside 10 – 4
Fair caught – 6
touchback – 4

half of Kern’s punt were not returned! The Broncos averaged 11.8 yards per return, which means they gave up an average of 23.6 yards on every punt that was returned.

It would appear that Kern was the least of our troubles.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, SWG

I wasn’t knocking Kern anywhere, though! I just didn’t understand what you meant when you said that touchbacks hurt his numbers…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 18, 2009 5:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Donkhead said

that TBs hurt his net average. I was agreeing with that. I don’t think TBs systematically help or hurt a punter’s gross average; they just distort it. They may help one punter and hurt another making comparisons specious.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 18, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also assume that punting stats are affected by where you generally punt from....

If you are usually punting from farther back in your territory you can always put you whole leg into it, but if you often make it to around mid field you have to take a bit off of it to try to pin them inside the 20. Perhaps this kind of stuff averages out for most teams, but I would suspect a good punter on a crappy offense would have big numbers.

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by TD4HOF on Jul 17, 2009 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

BM wants more money. He doesn't care which team's owner signs the checks

BM wants to get paid and Denver wants him to play out his rookie contract. Me thinks there is nothing more to the BM story than his frustration with his contract and the looming CBA issues that could keep BM in contract limbo for quite a while.

He and his agent know that if he got traded, the first thing his new team would do is lock him up with a long term deal. Unlike the more complicated Cutler fiasco, BMs issues are only about money and he is using what little leverage he has with the hip misdiagnosis to get a new contract from Denver or anyone that would trade for him. It’s a long shot for him to secure a new deal and he is making an interesting… run at it, but Denver still holds all the cards and everyone (including BM) knows this.

Unlike with Cutler, I applaud the Broncos for taking the hard line with BM. That dude has already said he will show up for camp which is a great thing for Denver because $2.2 million is a big-time bargain for a 100+ catch WR coming off a Pro Bowl start at age 24.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 7:31 AM MDT reply actions  

In the process of wanting to get paid,

…he is allowing people like Dukes to run down the team.

Screw Marshall. His real “leverage” was to come to camp, work hard, show he’s injury free, and then — AFTER his court date passes, and he’s clear of league discipline — agitate for a new contract.

As it stands, he’s poisoned himself with many Bronco fans. And by trying to piggyback off of the Cutler saga, he’s shown he’s willing to drag the Broncos name through the mud if it helps his pocket book.

He’s using us at this point to get a new contract. Return the favor and treat him like a rental; send him over the middle a lot to make those tough catches and see how he does.

by JeffG on Jul 17, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very well-written, McG. I think this will all blow over. But then again, that’s what I said about the Cutler situation.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

McG

For those on the other string this shows McG does have a positive addition to this websights discusions. I also appreciate your adjusting your language McG. Thank you.

I think your right on with this perception. I think everyone is waiting for the outcome of the September court case and nothing will happen till then.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 17, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Show.

Me.

The.

MONEY.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

No team....

Is going to … a- trade for …or ..b-dash out with a long term contract to a player that has both serious medical issues and off field issues.

If no one was busting down the door to aquire any of the top disgruntled recievers that are available, why would they want Marshall?

This fool just doesn’t seem to get it. There are no trade options for him. If he wants to get paid, he has to come back healthy and play like he deserves it, and contribute to the team’s success. If he does that, the demand for his services and the money will follow.

by AlanC on Jul 17, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dukes is at it again.

There is Jamie Dukes article on NFL.com where he says a few Bronco players have “in private” expressed their distrust of McDaniels.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/16/players-media-have-trust-issues-with-mcdaniels/

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions  

In private to whom? Him?

If so, Broncos “players” = Marshall and Cutler, the two big names who have never worked with McDaniels.

by JeffG on Jul 17, 2009 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was the Dukes It was the Dukes!

"Players" definitely means Cutler and Marshall. Any other Bronco is nothing more than a guess or something BM/Jay may have said about overall morale/teammates.

BM is not going down without a fight. Using the NFL.com interview was impressive in its conniving manner. Telling Dukes off camera that he and maybe other players don’t trust McDaniels was a low blow that may push Bowlen past the point of no return.

Cutler gave other Broncos the playbook for how to gun your way off Pat Bowlen’s team. BM is employing page 2 "media frenzy to tarnish organization" in his continued quest for a new deal.

Truth be told, I don’t think a single star player in the NFL is in a worst contractual negotiating position than BM. He could be held captive on the Broncos roster for the next three seasons without securing a new long term deal. He is really going for it. I think it’s because Baltimore has a desperate need at WR and has enough cap space to give him a huge deal. With camp starting soon and his trial in August, it’s now or never.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

That blog post was linked above in Tracks

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I was clicking on the video link.

I’ll give Dukes this, he certainly goes to the heart of the matter with his questions.

Before BM had a chance to say hello, Dukes has already asked about “trade request” “team morale” “will you miss Cutler” “will you be at training camp”. Dukes in blunt and crude, but I don’t see a white ESPN analyst (i.e. a Merrill Hodge) getting that much out of BM. Or even trying to.

For an ex-football player, Dukes doesn’t come off as a guy that knows much about the game. But after seeing that interview, I realize why Dukes has a job on TV. He is a bulldog in those interviews. He has no shame or filter and I believe his roll is also comic relief. If you’re say a Tampa Bay fan, that stuff about writing down "Orton is a good QB" might be funny to you.

When I watch Fox News or CNN, I often see this kind of on air personality. It’s bleeding over into sports.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing, though --

— Where are the journalists on air who will say to Dukes, “Marshall has missed every OTA and hasn’t been in Denver. What could he possibly know about team morale?”

by JeffG on Jul 17, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great Point

And exactly what I was thinking when watching the clip. He hasn’t even been there. Seems he’s spoken more to Cutler than his current teammates.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Come on. Brandon has access to his teammates.

Marshall likely has several friends on the team so I bet he knows the morale of the boys. And if you watched the video, you heard Marshall say in the on air interview that morale is high. As much as I dislike McDaniels, even I’ll glady admit that team morale seems high right now.

I presume he told Dukes off camera that some of the guys were not on board with McDaniels. This is also probably true, but I’m just as certain that there were guys on the Broncos that didn’t like Shanahan either.
 
As for your other point. Dukes is the alpha male on that show. You think Wilcox is going to step up for The Coach?

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dukes-Hitler

Dukes has bought into the Hitler philosophy that if you tell a lie often enough and long enough that it will become fact. But like Hitler, Dukes fails to realize that the truth comes out in the end.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 17, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

This isn't news

I posted on this a few weeks ago. Only a couple people know what actually transpired with Cutler – McDaniels, Cutler, Xanders and maybe Bowlen. Obviously, each person has their own version of events and only they know what really happened. Cutler’s version is NOT that he got really pissed because he was shopped and so he demanded to be traded. Here’s basically what Cutler told some friends on the team:

First, McDaniels initiated the talks w/ New England WITHOUT talking to Bowlen (owner) or Xanders (GM) first. He didn’t negotiate w/ them, he just placed the call to inquire. Afterwards, over a matter of days, Xanders negotiated w/ NE, lost out on Cassell, and Cutler got wind of it through Cook. Cutler then called McDaniels, who played dumb. In a later conversation w/ Xanders, McDaniels was inadvertently outed as having known about the trade talks. So, Cutler asked McDaniels about it yet again, and McDaniels came clean. But McDaniels insisted he didn’t initiate the trade talks, but was only a willing listener (which is being a good coach if true). But the Pats GM told Cook that the trade talks were initiated by McDaniels. Xanders, in a round about way, then confirmed that in a conversation w/ Cutler. He apparently tried to sweep it under the rug when Cutler first asked if McDaniels initiated the trade talks. He told Culter that it wasn’t important and that what was important was that they were committed to him going forward.

Culter, however, was ticked b/c McDaniels lied to him multiple times. So, he went to the media (which was a mistake) to air his grievances. The phone conversation & subsequent meeting went poorly b/c McDaniels (a) refused to own up to having initiated the call to NE, instead trying to blow off the questions, and (b) he took a very hard line stance w/ Cutler. Finally, rather than humbling out, he drew a line in the sand and pretty much said, it happened….deal with it. From what I understand, the coach’s attitude was just one big giant F-U. Supposedly he talked down to him pretty bad, like he was doing Cutler a favor. That’s not what he said, just what he implied w/ tone/body language/insinuations.

So, that’s what led to Culter demanding a trade. He didn’t feel like McDaniels was committed to him, didn’t feel like McDaniels was a high integrity/honest guy, and didn’t feel like McDaniels was invested in seeing him succeed. So, rather than going further down a path that may be very, very bad for him professionally & personally, he asked for a trade. Keep in mind that, since this was a new offensive system and he’s the QB, Cutler would have had to spend many long hours working closely with McDaniels to learn the system and perfect it.

This contributed to some of the players’ distrust of McDaniels. My guess is that the new players don’t have much of an issue with McDaniels becasue they never knew Cutler.

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

What is your source for this?

I only ask because I haven’t seen most of this anywhere else.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll just say that this is what Cutler told some of his friends on the team. I have know way to know if Cutler’s version is true and I’m not posting is as the truth. I’m posting it as Cutler’s version of what transpired. I posted it on some Denver Post forums back when this all occurred. However, I’d never seen anything in the media about it (except for some very vague references by Jim Armstrong on the radio a couple months ago about McDaniel’s honesty), until this post by Dukes. Dukes seems to confirm my posting of Cutler’s side of what occurred: that McDaniels lied to Cutler’s face over and over again. In other words, Cutler did not ask for a trade just because his feeling were hurt b/c he was the subject of trade rumors.

What Dukes does not post is what McDaniels allegedly said to him at the end, which was supposedly along the lines of “yeah, so what . . . deal with it.”

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

But what is your source for this?
I’ll just say that this is what Cutler told some of his friends on the team

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 17, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I misunderstood you

the problem I’ve always had with his version is that the facts don’t corroborate it.

The Tampa paper reported it as TB initiating discussions (not Denver)
The Boston globe reported it as TB initiating discussions
and the KC papers reported the Vrabel side on the deal within the first hour of FA, implying that the Cassel to KC trade was a done deal before any of cutler’s story would have taken place.

Add to that the number of times Cook had to back pedal and I have a hard time swallowing most of cutler’s version. It just doesn’t hold water.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 17, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

That could be. I don’t know what’s true or not, just that this is his version.

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll ask again - how do you know this?
Here’s basically what Cutler told some friends on the team:

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 17, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know someone who works with several players on the team, some of whom are friends with Cutler. I was always unsure if this version really represented Cutler’s side of the story, or if the players were just kidding around. However, Dukes seems to confirm that this does represent Cutler’s version – “McDaniels continued to deny his role even when confronted with incontrovertible evidence that he had tried to trade for Cassel, his pupil in New England.”

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll add that the Cassel to KC deal was likely done before McDaniels entered the fray. However, that doesn’t mean McDaniels didn’t initiate talks. It just explains WHY the deal never went through.

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I'll ask you again, Broncos_FTW

How do you (supposedly) know what Cutler told some teammates?

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 17, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is all hear say, which is by law inadmissible in a court of law.

The real reason Cutler wanted out of Denver will probably never be told, my guess is he got mifted over the fact he wasn’t going to be turned loose on the field like he was with Bates and Shanahan. JMHO though…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

This wasn’t presented as evidence of what actually happened. It was presented as evidence of Cutler’s version of what happened.

by Broncos_FTW on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well...

…. in your initial comment above ( This isn’t news ) you presented Cutler’s version as what actually happened.

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cutler, again can say anything and it might not necessarily be true.

What I am trying to say is, I can tell you something and you may believe me that it is true. Still again, it is hear say and that is all.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is an old DP post from April.

Tony Scheffler was the source. This exact post about the version of events was posted on the DP several months ago. The author came clean and admitted friendship with Tony.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

That and...

…I believe JC had a wink wink deal with Shanny for a new fat contract this off-season. When Shanny was let go, out went JC’s new deal. Bates leaving (and taking his air first play-calling with him) was the final straw.

I think JC wanted out before the Cassell talks came up. That was just what Cook pounced on to set their whole exit strategy in motion.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jul 17, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sundquist corroborated this point c-style

about a ‘wink-wink’ contract promise with Bus and Jay. According to Fatsis’s book (or maybe the article he wrote during Jay-gate?) Sundquist told him that an extension in year four that would be a real chunk of change had pretty much been agreed upon from day one. IIf he performed well, and Shanny never had any doubts that would happen.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 18, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tony Scheffler is the source.

Either you wrote this on the DP back in April or got it directly from a blogger at the DP from a discussion back in April.

The author of said post eventually came clean and said Tony Scheffler was his source.

Now whether the author knows Tony or not is completely unknown.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chris Baker, the real deal?

“I’m just ready to do this now,” Baker said as beads of sweat raced down his face during a break last week. “It’s my dream to make it to the NFL and I’m committed to doing what I have to do to get there.”

The Broncos are thin at defensive tackle, helping Baker’s chances. And he’s intriguing because he has great skills. He posted a 5.12-second 40-yard dash and 35 1/2 inches in the vertical jump at the NFL combine.

In comparison, Boston College’s B.J. Raji, the first defensive tackle drafted, ninth overall by the Packers, ran a 5.23 40 and topped out at 32 inches on the vertical.

For the value it sounds like the Packers got hosed with this Raji kid, and the only reson Baker wasn’t up there with him in the draft was because of 2 fights helping his teammates. Baker sounds like the kind of guy I would want on the team. Great find nyc, thanks.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 8:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Packers have moved Raji

There was a Blog article a few weeks ago saying that the Packers are experimenting with moving BJ to a DE position since they already have a decent NT. I do not know enough about the Packers to know the details…But that is alot of money being spent when you do not have a starters job for your # 1 pick.

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by Broncobh on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Raji

I read a similar article a few weeks ago saying he was practicing at DE. Talk about amazing. I mean to take a guy like Raji when they did and then not even put him at the position that was giving him his draft value…well they must know something nobody else does.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jul 17, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Packers must of coveted Raji so bad to be paying him the dollars they are.

Chris “The Animal” Baker is IMO a better player, and we got him for nothing, well almost nothing. It’s amazing to me how teams fall all over some players coming out of college. Another example is Tyson Jackson, the Chiefs are paying him #3 money when he probably isn’t worth it. I read an article on him from one of the draft gurus saying he is lacksadaisical sometimes on plays. To me that doesn’t sound like first rd #3 money, maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see pretty soon.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not unprecedented

Remember until Kelly Gregg got hurt last year, Ngata was playing DE for Baltimore.

My guess is if you have 2 big old NT quality monsters, and one that is quick enough to play 3-4 DE like Ngata (and in theory Raji), that is a great position to be in as a 3-4 D. In that case you not only have 1 guy demanding a double-team on the interrior, you then have 2 which would REALLY free up the edges for your OLBs.

Also, D-line is another of those positions that takes some time for rookies to master the hand-fighting, etc. at the NFL level. Few rookies excel besides the pure speed rushers, but develop over a year or so (see Mario Williams, Gaines Adams, etc.) Putting Raji at DE may give him a little time to adjust before being subjected to the everydown double-team 3-4 NTs face….

by cjfarls on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kind of like us with Baker, Thomas and Powell huh?

That would be interesting to put a 1,000 lbs on the front 3.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the ESPN Eddie Royal thing above

Wanted to read it, sounded interesting, but it says you have to be an insider to read the story. Just a heads up

by Stuman on Jul 17, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, Stu

And sorry for that. I changed the header

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

As for the content,

Eddie got caught by Jed Fisch last year basically with cheat sheets; he had drawn out his routes on the tape around his wrists out of fear that he wouldn’t remember them. It also took several weeks into the season for him to gather the gumption to ask one of the more senior trainers to tape him (there’s a hierarchy; rookies go first, vets get more downtime and get taped later).

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 17, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

No problem

and thanks for the summary of the content.

by Stuman on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

"According to Cutler"?

According to Cutler, McDaniels continued to deny his role even when confronted with incontrovertible evidence that he had tried to trade for Cassel, his pupil in New England.

When has Jay Cutlers’ word become hoyle? Somebady please SHOW me the evidence.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 17, 2009 8:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Jay Cutler was brutally and often cringingly honest as our QB. He spoke far more candidly than he should have which is why one of many Bronco fan’s biggest complaints about him was a complete lack of diplomacy.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree on this

Considering whose footsteps he followed in.

Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon

Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw

by Choochoobonewagon on Jul 17, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Jay Cutler was brutally and often cringingly honest as our QB"

Honest?? He lied through his teeth when he said he’d never received calls from Pat Bowlen.

The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.

Chuang - Tzu

by bradley on Jul 17, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

before the trade issue

He often said things (whether honest or not) that appeared to be less than diplomatic. They were straight to the point and not very P.C.

Which a lot of fans liked and even more hated since it allowed for MSM to take his words out of context or make fun of the broncos in the media.

by trumanj on Jul 17, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

THE 2008 SAFETIES - UGH!!!!

From the CSG article

Denver’s safety situation was among the worst in the NFL last season – not just the worst safety situation, but perhaps the worst situation of any position group in the league. Seven players started at safety for the last season, including linebacker Wesley Woodyard, although that was more of a 4-4 look for the to begin a game against Carolina. Among those players there were no sacks, one interception, no forced fumbles and one recovered fumble the entire season. In addition to making almost no big plays, they were often liabilities in coverage and did little to help a bad run defense.

And the MSM thinks the D Line was the only problem……………..

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by Broncobh on Jul 17, 2009 8:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Oddly Enough

The Broncos brought in a ton of secondary help this year…
Strange how the MSM is catching on now when it appears the Broncos were about three steps ahead of them.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jul 17, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

BUT THEY HAVE NO PLAN!

I know this, because Jamie Dukes has spoken to people.

— Then dismissed what they had to say in order to maintain the narrative that McDaniels HAS NO PLAN!

by JeffG on Jul 17, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

If it’s not worth my time getting riled up over 3rd rate journalist like KC Joyner, I think the same can be said about not getting bent out of shape over a 4th rate commentator like Jamie Dukes.

Was he on the ATL team that lost to Denver in the Super Bowl?

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

That would have explained some things though eh?

Dukes:
    * Atlanta Falcons (1986-1993)
    * Green Bay Packers (1994)
    * Arizona Cardinals (1995)

by underdog on Jul 17, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks NYC

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by KaptainKirk on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Jamie Dukes is the biggest tool I have ever seen in my life ever.

I’m going to put a picture of him inside my toolbox to go alongside the ones of Jayby, Phyllis, and this guy Max that are already taped in there. I agree with the guy that was going to punch him in the face yesterday; I’ll help.

No stairway... Denied!

by papigrande on Jul 17, 2009 9:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I posted this in earlier thread but... re Dukes/NFLN

People should feel free to voice their displeasure to them directly (be polite, articulate, and to the point) about Dukes seemingly having a vendetta against the Broncos. It’s growing tiresome.

http://www.nfl.com/contact-us

by underdog on Jul 17, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Eddie Royal piece

Since it’s an insider piece that many of us can’t otherwise read, someone reposted it here:
(hope this is kosher)

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=146184.

Btw, full disclosure, I actually sort of know the author of that piece, and she rocks, but it’s a good piece anyway. And for the record she told me that Eddie “was lovely”, was very nice to her. :-)

by underdog on Jul 17, 2009 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, NYC.

And congrats to Rod!

"Who speaks for Charlie?"

by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 17, 2009 9:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Ross Tucker on Cutler

In new piece on SI.com just posted (not to dredge up this whole debate again, but just thought it was interesting to get his perspective; see also his thoughts on the Chiefs signing Matt Cassel):

Why are you so down on Jay Cutler? I listen to you all the time on Sirius and every chance you get, you are bashing the kid. The situation that unfolded in Denver would have had a lot of players wanting out. I think you are going to eat your words once Cutler is slinging touchdowns and Chicago is putting up wins.
— Nick Patel, Sylva, N.C.

I think as a rank-and-file player in the NFL for seven years I lose respect for players that behave in a manner that suggests they are above the team. I can understand Cutler might have been hurt by the Broncos’ interest in Cassel and wanted out. But his subsequent behavior, including not returning repeated phone calls and text messages from owner Pat Bowlen, was immature at best.

I also think he is overrated as a quarterback. Many people are enamored with his physical skills and statistics but the numbers that stand out to me are his 17-20 record and his 18 interceptions last season. If he leads the Bears to the NFC North title, I will be happy to say I was wrong but for now that is my story and I am sticking to it.

by underdog on Jul 17, 2009 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Btw

I don’t think J Dukes has said “I will be happy to say I was wrong”…

by underdog on Jul 17, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know....

if this was posted here or anywhere else , but just in case. Yet another look at our linebackers….

http://www.footballnewsshare.com/13106-inside-the-denver-broncos-roster-the-middle-linebackers/

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine
WHO SAYS WOMEN DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL?!? :)

by fooballa303 on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Punting

I loved reading this from Colquitt, speaking about his brother learning from ST coach Priefer:
"Dustin has gone from being decent to great," Britton said. "Just hopefully getting a little bit of knowledge here, whether it is for a few years or whether it is just this summer in training camp. I feel like I’ve already gained some knowledge and can definitely get a lot better just from him alone."

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jul 17, 2009 5:15 PM MDT reply actions  

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