Special Teams Plea
I would appreciate an article/discussion on ST’s. I am woefully ignorant on the subject. I know McD stated he would emphasize ST’s. And ST’s play EVERY change of possession. That’s a lot of time and contribution to the team. What I would like is (1) ST theory (2) ST formations (3) ST player somotypes (4) ST players on the roster.
I somewhat understand the kicking part. I often hear "don't kick it to Hester" and we do, he scores and the commentators wail. Or kick to the "coffin corner", get good "hang time", etc.
I don't understand the theory and formations part. As a fan, I generally just follow the ball and don't focus on the rest of the field.
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Never could understand the punter kicking to a player instead the coffin corner.
These guys practice every day so they should have an idea of where the balls going. Ray Guy was the greatest on kicking to the corner (coffin corner). If I was kicking against Hester, he would never run with the ball if I could help it.
Coffin corner
the coffin corner kick was popular in the 70s because the rules at that time did not allow the gunners to leave until the ball was kicked. Without anyone down field to down the ball a pooch kick wasn’t feasible. But a coffin corner kick is a high-risk/high-reward play. It’s very difficult to accurately hit the corner on a high-trajectory kick; there’s the risk of shanking the ball on a low trajectory kick, or of undershooting the sideline and giving up a big return. It’s a great play when it works, but with the rules change the pooch kick is more desirable.
With the pooch kick the gunners get down and try to down the ball before it goes into the endzone. If they miss it becomes a touchback. High-reward/low-risk.
That said, I think kicking out of bounds is not used enough. I recall a game between Oak and KC back when Hall was returning everything for TDs. Oak just punted out of bounds and refused to let Hall return anything. I don’t think I would have gone that far, but that same year (2003 or 2004) we were leading in KC with about 2:00 to go and we punted to Hall. With the help of some uncalled holding he returned it for a touchdown and KC won. In that specific situation, I think the dominant strategy would have been to punt out of bounds and take away one avenue for KC to score. The Chi game in 2007 was similar, but if I remember, Shanny was furious at Saurbrun for kicking to Hester. So I think the plan was to kick away.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 18, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
If I remember Chicago game correctly
It was the special teams coach and Sauerbrun who decided prior to the game that they were too tough to punt away. Pure Hubris.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Jul 18, 2009 6:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the thought of that game still has me shooting blood out of my eyes!!!
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Funny story about that game...
A co-worker of mine said she had started dating a Bronco, “a guy named Todd” and he was taking her to that game. After the game, I called her and told her that whatever she did to him, stop! A few weeks later, she was with him at the “taxi incident” that effectively ended his stint as a Bronco. Needless to say, things didn’t work out. I love to joke with her that she was Todd’s Yoko.
by rollinthunder on Jul 20, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Wedge Formation
I understand the “Wedge Formation” by a return team is no longer allowed. What effect will that have?
That will change the way ST is played more than people think...
The idea that the wedge is no longer allowed is going to really change how ST are run this year for a few reasons. First and most obvious: Guys like Devin Hester and Darren Sproles are severely less potent now. The fact that the returning team can’t form the “wedge” makes it 50 times more likely that a defender can and will get to him faster. I believe the reasons why they banned it is because it’s a high injury type formation. The Wedge formation goes back to 1892 when it was first implemented by Harvard against Yale (wikipedia).
Of course, the formation they used I’m sure was much more like a traditional V pattern with 10 guys all close together. Needless to say, it caused a lot of injuries in the college football scene and was banned in 1894. Most teams (if not all teams) used it in some form or another since though. It hasn’t been necessarily used in a solid 10 man style V, though more often than not, that’s exactly how it’s planned.
Matt Bowen had this to say about the Wedge formation:
"You have a 50-yard head start and you run into your garage door — that’s what it feels like,"
So what I’ve drawn from all that is that the returning team always had the advantage on a lot of levels. First and foremost, these guys have a huge headstart to gain speed and force against the kicking team. When in the Wedge formation with their hands/arms linked, they can and will cause some type of serious injury. Most of the defenders from the kicking team would lower their heads and try to use their heads and necks to break through the wedge, causing serious injuries on too many occasions. Not only did it give the return team a huge advantage (and a head start), they also has momentum on their side.
I talked to my brother about the wedge recently and he said it best. He said it’s like playing a game of “Red Rover” (the game where if you get called over, you have to run and break through the opposing sides line (formed by people linking arms, hands or wrists). He played some ST in high school and he described it like “Red Rover with 250+ pound guys that plow through YOU, not the other way around.”
To answer your question in a short winded manner, the absence of the wedge will greatly reduce a receiving teams possibility of bringing it back all the way for 6.
Great site about the wedge and it’s effects: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215×96885
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
Thanks for the Comment and Link
Do you have any idea what other formations may be used instead? While the 10-man V was banned, I know that a 3-man V was still OK last year. I assume a 2-man formation is still OK? What about two 2-man formations?
Wedge
Months ago I was reading about changes in the wedge I came across an article that said many teams were already abandoning the wedge formation. How true this is I don’t know but as I understand Denver used it last year but other teams didn’t.
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Chicago doesn't use a wedge
just like running games, the return game can be broken up into zone blocking approach and a man blocking approach. ZB return teams use the wedge. Man teams like Chi do not.
Furthermore, nothing in the rules prevents stacking two 2-man wedges. I think someone is going to get very creative in their return blocking this year.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 18, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
creative is a nice word for it SWG...
hahaha. I got a laugh out of that for some reason.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
Players
Obviously the kickers are ST’ers. But are there any other positions and players that are ONLY ST’ers? I know there is a returner and gunner. The returner is often a starter and, if I’m not mistaken, the gunner is rarely a starter.
Offense v Defense
It does not seem reasonable that the same ST’ers play both the offensive return and the defensive tackling. What qualities are different? For example, the offensive ST may have to be great at blocking. The defensive ST may have to be speedy and good at tackling?
All I can say
is it will be interesting to see how our ST coach adapts to the new rule. This might be where you have two roster spots just for return men. The potential for injury on them went up. any time you have two opposing player coming together at that speed just think of a head on car collision. That is what will happen with ST returners
Coaching
Asst ST Coach Keith Burns is a holdover but Mike Priefer is the new lead Special Teams Coordinator. He comes from being with KC the last 3 years as their ST Coach. Interestingly, one of his kickers there was Dustin Colquitt, brother of Britton Colquitt (see Zappa’s post today).
If I’m not mistaken, the wedge rule will lessen injuries to those exposed to it and will make the returners more exposed. So, yeah, it sounds like return men may get injured more often.
emailed the same question to HT for MHR University
He did reply by saying it wasn’t his area of expertise but that he would ask the other coaching staff to see if they could come up with something.
As a Brit the fine points of NFL are a mystery becuase I have never played it, and I suppose even Americans don’t play every position in high school etc!

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