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2009 Denver Broncos - Breaking Down the Roster - Running Backs

From left to right, Denver Broncos rookie running back Knowshon Moreno talks with fullback Peyton Hills and running back LaMont Jordan during the team's football minicamp at Broncos' headquarters in the southeast Denver suburb of Englewood, Colo., on Sunday, May 3, 2009. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

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6 months ago: From left to right, Denver Broncos rookie running back Knowshon Moreno talks with fullback Peyton Hills and running back LaMont Jordan during the team's football minicamp at Broncos' headquarters in the southeast Denver suburb of Englewood, Colo., on Sunday, May 3, 2009. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

The Broncos and Mike Shanahan developed quite a reputation for running the ball over the past 14 seasons. Denver basically became known as Running Back Central, where Shanahan and backs coach Bobby Turner turned several late-rounders into stars. While Shanny and Turner worked their magic in 2008 by turning seventh-rounder Peyton Hillis into a Denver cult hero, the season was noted more for its multitude of backfield injuries. New coach Josh McDaniels is no stranger to running-back attrition, as the 2008 Patriots suffered a similar fate; rookie BenJarvus Green-Ellis started 3 games after being elevated from the practice squad.

Lesson learned, McDaniels and GM Brian Xanders spent the offseason turning over the depth chart. Among the pair's first moves were cutting P.J. Pope, Alex Haynes and Anthony Alridge; the departure of Cory Boyd followed soon after. Xanders and McDaniels began adding new runners at the start of free agency, signing Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan and J.J. Arrington in short order. Next came the draft, and the consensus of fans and experts alike was that Denver would emerge with at least one more back; the only question was when that would occur.

Although several fans were wishing for the Broncos to select Knowshon Moreno out of Georgia, most were expecting Denver to go defense-defense and fortify the front 7 with their two first-round picks (#12 and #18). While it appears that Xanders and McDaniels were hoping for such a scenario, the draft day board did not fall that way; highly-ranked 3-4 defenders Tyson Jackson and B.J. Raji went ahead of Denver's slot to Kansas City and Green Bay, respectively. Once their turn came around at #12, Denver's goal was to choose Moreno and DE/LB Robert Ayers with their two selections, in no particular order. Hearing that San Diego was trying to trade up to #13 in order to nab Moreno if Denver passed on the running back, Xanders and McDaniels pounced on the Georgia star.

Star-divide

Following the draft, Denver signed Kestahn Moore as an undrafted free agent; Moore was subsequently released in June. In the week following the draft, Denver cut Selvin Young, who had been projected as the starting back in 2008 before injuries derailed his season. The Broncos then added Darius Walker to the roster, who the Texans had chosen not to re-sign. J.J. Arrington's knee problems led to a failed physical and his eventual release in late May; the transaction cost the Broncos $100,000.

After the break, we'll take a deeper look at who the Broncos enter training camp with, and some expectations as to how the competition will play out:


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Knowshon Moreno

#27 / Running Back / Denver Broncos

5-11

205

Jul 16, 1987

Georgia

Rookie

2009 Draft (1st Round, 12th Overall)

Unsigned


Moreno arrives in Denver with the highest expectations for a rookie back since Bobby Humphrey was supposed to help put John Elway over the top in 1989. Although several stars have occupied the Broncos backfield over the past 15 years (Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns), each player was able to fly under the radar before assuming the starting role. Not so for Knowshon, whose name is a combination of his father's moniker (Knowledge) and his mother's first name (Varashon). At Middletown South HS in New Jersey, Moreno completed his career as the state's all-time leading scorer and second all-time leading rusher in carrying Middletown to three straight championship titles. Knowshon's accolades at Georgia include being named the SEC's Freshman of the Year in 2007 and an AFCA All-American in 2008. He also joined Herschel Walker as the only Bulldogs to compile back-to-back 1,000-yard rushing seasons. It should also be noted that Moreno had 551 touches at Georgia and never fumbled.

Accomplishments aside, Knowshon brings a wide-ranging skill set to the Denver backfield; Coach McDaniels has spoken of Moreno's abilities as a runner, pass catcher and blocker. Wes Bunting of National Football Post wrote pre-draft that "(Knowshon)'s vision, toughness and ability to make people miss are rare." Meanwhile, Russ Lande of The War Room wrote, "Moreno is one of the most physical running back prospects our scouts have evaluated in years. Despite his lack of elite speed and burst, he is faster than expected and consistently outruns defenders who have angles on him. What's truly impressive is his ability to move well in tight quarters, a trait that separates the good NFL backs from the elite ones. He also is a polished receiver."

While it is difficult to project just how much Moreno will play in 2009, it is safe to say that Denver drafted him to be their #1 running back. During McDaniels' four years running the Patriots' offense, he never had a workhorse back at full health; therefore, it is uncertain whether McDaniels truly favors the committee approach he appears to, or a feature back to carry the bulk of the load. That said, look for Knowshon to emerge as Denver's de facto starting running back and to catch a lot more passes than we're used to seeing out of the Denver backfield.

Moreno is not yet under contract; naturally, how quickly he signs a deal may effect his development with the Broncos. As the twelfth pick, a simple look at Ryan Clady's contract (six years, $14.75 million incl. $11.415 million in guarantees) offers the framework for Knowshon's expected deal (with guarantees about 10% higher). Either way, he is quite obviously a lock to make the roster and should receive significant playing time for the Broncos in '09. Knowshon just celebrated his 22nd birthday on Thursday.


Correll Buckhalter

#28 / Running Back / Denver Broncos

6-0

217

Oct 06, 1978

Nebraska

9th Year

2009 Free Agency (Philadelphia)

2/27/2009: Signed a four-year, $10 million contract. The deal includes $1.8 million guaranteed. 2009-2012: Under Contract, 2013: Free Agent


Buckhalter signed with the Broncos in March after 8 seasons with the Eagles, during which he carried the ball 476 times for 2,155 yards (4.5 YPA) and 18 touchdowns in 74 games. CB also has 85 career receptions for 930 yards and 4 touchdowns. While these numbers would suggest low mileage on Buckhalter's knees, those joints haven't been too kind to Correll over the years; a torn ACL in his left knee cost him the 2002 season, while the 2004 and 2005 campaigns were lost to a torn patellar tendon in his right knee. However, Correll has been active for 49 out of a possible 53 games over the past 3 seasons in Philly (including playoffs). 2008 saw Buckhalter at his most productive (in terms of yards from scrimmage) since his rookie season, as he gained 369 yards rushing and 324 yards receiving, along with 4 total touchdowns. He did not fumble in 2008.

Shortly after Denver signed Buckhalter, he was unceremoniously linked to a drug dealer during a Pennsylvania court case. Fortunately, the convicted dealer denied selling marijuana to Buckhalter; no charges have been filed against the running back.

During his time in Philadelphia, Buckhalter was the primary backup to Brian Westbrook, filling in as the starter when necessary but averaging only 7.6 touches per game. While that number may rise in Denver, don't expect his role to change significantly. The Broncos have added Buckhalter for his versatility; Scouts, Inc. says, "Buckhalter is a productive back with a good combination of size and speed, displays good run skills and acceleration through the hole, has above-average hands with good open-field run after the catch ability." As stated above, the Broncos drafted Knowshon Moreno to be their top back; Buckhalter will get his touches, but he is still primarily a backup. It should also be noted that Correll has gotten reps as a kick returner, having taken back 37 kicks for 798 yards (21.6 YPR) for Philly in 2007.

Buckhalter signed a four-year deal in February, including $1.8 million in guarantees and worth as much as $10 million over the length of the contract. Salary details were not released. Those guarantees mean Buckhalter is a virtual lock to make the roster; of course, past history suggests a trip to the IR is always a possibility. Correll will turn 31 following Denver's Week 4 game versus Dallas.


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LaMont Jordan

#32 / Running Back / Denver Broncos

5-10

230

Nov 11, 1978

Maryland

9th Year

2009 Free Agency (New England)

3/4/2009: Signed a two-year, $2.5 million contract. The deal included a $500,000 signing bonus. 2009-2010: Under Contract, 2011: Free Agent


Also signed at the outset of free agency, LaMont Jordan joins his fourth NFL team in 2009, and his third squad in three seasons. A versatile back, Jordan racked up 1,588 yards from scrimmage and 11 touchdowns for the Raiders in 2005. However, it was his only standout season in a career thus far marked by underachievement. After spending the 2008 season with the Patriots, Jordan has stated his preference was to stay in New England; when that opportunity did not arise, he chose to follow Josh McDaniels westward. Perhaps he sensed that McDaniels knows best how to utilize his skills; although he did not catch any passes in 2008, Jordan did rack up his best YPA (4.5) on the ground since 2004, with 363 yards gained on 80 carries. What makes Jordan's lack of receptions in '08 stand out is that he hauled in 70 passes during that career-best 2005 season. LaMont fumbled once in 2008.

After spending four years as an understudy to future-HOFer Curtis Martin in New York, Jordan received an $11 million bonus to head west to Oakland. After that productive first season with the Raiders, injuries and perhaps a bit of laziness cut down Jordan's playing time and output in subsequent years. Last month, LaMont had some interesting comments which alluded to his attitude in prior years, saying he was "out here for the offseason program, something I’ve never really done throughout my career...I want to play at a lot less (weight) than what I’ve been playing. ...I never really put in the work to being my best, and that’s what I’m here doing now."

At his best and when healthy, Jordan is quite a load out of the backfield, packing 230 pounds onto a stout 5'10" frame. As those numbers would suggest, Jordan is not an elusive back, but one who is difficult to tackle. Scouts, Inc. says Jordan "
can fill a need as a power back who catches the ball out of the backfield and can be hard to tackle once he gets to the second level or catches the ball in the open field." Expect Jordan to be a threat in short-yardage and goal-line situations for Denver, and possibly as a receiver out of the backfield. His knowledge and experience from spending 2008 with McDaniels in New England will surely help him in Denver.

Jordan signed a two-year deal including a $500,000 signing bonus and worth as much as $2.5 million. Like Buckhalter, Jordan's salary is unknown. His small bonus means LaMont is quite expendable in a salary-cap sense; but if he does show up in shape for camp, Jordan's experience with McDaniels in NE, excellent hands and size should make him a keeper. Durability has been an issue for Jordan at times, as a torn MCL landed him in IR in 2006 and calf problems kept him from dressing for eight games in 2008. LaMont will turn 31 after the Broncos' Week 9 contest versus Pittsburgh.


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Peyton Hillis

#22 / Fullback / Denver Broncos

6-1

250

Jan 21, 1986

Arkansas

2nd Year

2008 Draft (7th round, 227th overall)

7/16/2008: Signed a four-year, $1.755 million contract. The deal included a $49,800 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent

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As mentioned in the intro, Peyton Hillis went from nearly undrafted to Denver folk hero in a matter of months, thanks to the bone-crushing hits he dished out; and that's when he was carrying the ball. Although Hillis was a star running back in high school, he was relegated to fullback in his time at Arkansas thanks to the arrival of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. After the Broncos selected him, Hillis was seen as a fullback with great hands to catch passes out in the flat. He certainly showed off those skills during Denver's Week 9 loss to Miami, tallying 7 receptions for an eye-popping 116 yards and a touchdown. But his role would grow...

Injuries to Selvin Young, Michael Pittman, Ryan Torain and Andre Hall left Hillis as the Broncos' primary ball-carrier midway through Denver's game in Cleveland on Nov. 6. Hillis punished opposing defenses for several weeks, highlighted by a 22-carry, 129-yard effort with a touchdown at a rainy Meadowlands (with your trusty author in attendance) against the Jets. Unfortunately, Peyton's wonderful rookie campaign came crashing down the next week as a circus-like catch resulted in a torn hamstring against the Chiefs. Despite the brief cameo atop the RB chart, Hillis managed to rack up 343 rushing yards (which led the team, sadly) with a 5.0 YPA and an impressive 5 TDs. His receiving numbers were also notable, with 14 catches for 179 yards and a stunning 12.8 YPR. While these are relatively small samples which should not be extrapolated to a full season, Peyton's statistics are surely evidence that he is a playmaker with versatile skills and a promising future. By the way, Peyton did not fumble in 2008.

The arrival of Moreno and Buckhalter indicate that dreams of Peyton Hillis as Denver's workhorse back are distant from fruition. However, one cannot envision the Broncos' 2009 season without a hefty role for Hillis. As Peyton related to his hometown paper last month, Josh McDaniels recognizes the player's wide skill set; he had the second-year player "getting snaps at running back, wide receiver, fullback and tight end." McDaniels offered a glowing review of Hillis, saying "He's got great hands, and he's a very tough runner to bring down when you give him the ball. So he'll do a lot different things for us." Look for Peyton to fulfill myriad roles in 2009; he'll be featured at times in one-back sets, he'll be motioning out wide to catch passes, he'll be lining up at times as a fullback, and maybe we'll even see him as the tailback in a two-back set from time to time.

Hillis is entering the second year of his four-year rookie deal which will pay him a salary of $385,000 in 2009. He is a lock for the roster and should see significant playing time. Peyton doesn't turn 24 until during the 2009 Playoffs.


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Spencer Larsen

#46 / Fullback / Denver Broncos

6-2

240

Mar 04, 1984

Arizona

2nd Year

2008 Draft (6th round, 183rd overall)

7/9/2008: Signed a four-year, $1.801 million contract. The deal included a $97,500 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent

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As a late-round selection last year, Spencer Larsen made the Denver roster on the strength of his special-teams play and versatility. His stadium-shaking hit on a kick return in Week 4 was arguably Denver's best tackle of the year and the only positive memory from that horrific game in Kansas City. Later on in the season, Larsen made headlines as a starter on offense (fullback), defense (linebacker) and special teams (kick coverage); he was the first Bronco in team history to do so. In fact, he received the Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week for his efforts. A groin injury slowed Larsen down in December, and he did not play in Denver's losses versus thePanthers and Bills.

Although Larsen's versatility means he offers Denver roster flexibility (backup FB and ILB are the same guy), he is (to this point) nothing special as far as fullbacks go. MHR's own Styg50 wrote "Larsen was only adequate as a blocking FB however, and he has mentioned how uncomfortable he would be if he was ever asked to carry the rock," in his review at season's end. Larsen did not carry the ball or catch a pass in 2008 for Denver. However, he needn't worry much; if the past four seasons in New England are any indication, there won't be a lot of touches allocated to the fullback position.

Larsen is entering the second year of his four-year rookie deal which will pay him a salary of $385,000 in 2009. The fact that Spencer fills more than one spot on the depth chart means he would be a very difficult player to cut. Having spent 2003 and 2004 on a Mormon mission in Chile, Larsen entered the NFL at an older age than most, turning 25 this past March.


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Ryan Torain

#42 / Running Back / Denver Broncos

6-1

225

Aug 10, 1986

Arizona State

2nd Year

2008 Draft (5th round, 139th overall)

7/9/2008: Signed four-year, $1.903 million contract. The deal included a $198,000 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent

photo via static.nfl.com


Ryan Torain entered the league with some rather unfair expectations. As a running back and a fifth-round choice of the Denver Broncos, Torain was doomed to fail from the very beginning. After all, his draft position and injury-shortened senior year at Arizona State made Ryan the obvious heir apparent to the crown of Late-Round Denver Running Back Comes From Nowhere to Top 1,000 Yards and Turn Every Fantasy Football League Upside Down. The shoes of Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary are hard to fill; Torain suffered a freak elbow injury during training camp, and throughout his recovery there were whispers that he would be the starting running back for Denver upon his return.

Granted, the reputations Mike Shanahan and Bobby Turner were bestowed as Running Back Whisperers was not undeserved; they did often turn what other teams deemed chicken you-know-what into chicken salad. But Torain, who has seemingly never been able to stay healthy for more than a couple months, had no chance. His pro debut resulted in a single yard gained on three carries (yes, that's 3 carries, 1 yard) versus Miami. A few nights later, the national stage was to be Torain's; Denver's matchup against the Browns was televised on the NFL Network and the previously-mentioned slew of RB injuries meant it was finally Torain Time. Although Ryan showed an odd and upright running style, it worked for most of the first half, as he racked up 68 yards and a touchdown on 12 carries. Savvy fantasy-football owners everywhere rejoiced. Torain did not fumble.

But as quickly as Torain Time had arrived, it departed just like that; an awkward tackle near halftime turned out to be a torn ACL in Ryan's left knee. His rookie season was over, after just 15 carries and six quarters of football. In addition to the knee and elbow injuries of 2008, Torain lost much of his senior season to a fractured toe. As a sophomore at Butler Community College in 2004, he missed several games with an ankle sprain. The hope, of course, is that Torain is someday able to find better health (fortune?) and make good on the promise he showed while at ASU (93.8 rushing yards per game and 5.4 yards per carry in 19 games). Those numbers, along with his large measurables, make Torain sound like a smaller version of Brandon Jacobs. However, his aforementioned upright running style mean he's more often receiving than doling out contact.

Torain is entering the second year of his four-year rookie deal which will pay him a salary of $385,000 in 2009.  Health is clearly an issue; even if he is able to practice and perform in training camp, Torain may still find himself in competition with Darius Walker for the final RB spot on the roster. But his size, talent, potential, and injury history make Ryan much more likely to be on the 53-man roster, IR or PUP list than on the Broncos' cut list. Torain did participate in individual drills in June minicamps with a brace on his left knee, which is obviously a good sign for his future in Denver. Ryan will turn 23 during the upcoming training camp.


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Darius Walker

#43 / Running Back / Denver Broncos

5-11

205

Oct 21, 1985

Notre Dame

2nd Year

2009 Free Agency (Houston)

5/7/2009: Signed a two-year contract

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Walker entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent with Gary Kubiak's Texans in 2007. A star for the Fighting Irish, Darius was highly productive despite only seeing action in four games with Houston. He tallied 264 yards and 1 TD on 58 carries, plus 81 yards on 13 receptions for a total of 345 YFS; these are impressive numbers for any back, let alone an undrafted rookie. Walker has not fumbled in the NFL. 2008 was a lost year for Walker, as he spent 5 weeks on the Texans' active roster but saw no action; he otherwise had three practice-squad stints - two with Houston and one with St. Louis.

Despite those encouraging statistics, Walker is apparently not that great at anything in particular. As Scouts, Inc. put it, Walker "is not quite as big as you'd like and not quite as fast as you'd like, but he does have some quality running skills...He adds some value as a situational player who can spell the starter and run routes out of the backfield, but does not have enough physical skills to make you think he has a chance to ever be a starter." It does not appear that Walker has had any notable injury problems.

Walker signed a two-year deal with Denver; terms of the contract were not released. It's safe to assume Walker received a minimal signing bonus (figure less than $100,000) and money will not be a factor in the decision whether to keep him on the roster. If the Broncos' other backs are healthy, it would be a surprise for Walker to make the 53-man roster. Assuming another team does not snatch him up come August, don't be surprised to find him on Denver's practice squad. From my research, it appears that Walker still has practice-squad eligibility; he has only accrued one season (2007) and during that year he dressed for fewer than nine games (6, to be exact). Thanks to broncobear for help with that one. Walker will turn 24 following Denver's Week 6 Monday Night game in San Diego.

Overall Outlook


The common threads which seem to link Denver's running backs are versatility and sure-handedness; Josh McDaniels clearly prioritizes players who have the ability to run with the football, to get out of the backfield and catch passes, hang onto the football when they've got it, and to stay in and block when more protection is necessary. Expect to see more passes thrown the backs' way, if Josh McDaniels' time in New England is any indication. Look for Moreno to be the starter, with Buckhalter and Hillis seeing a good amount of touches, Larsen filling in at times as fullback, Jordan getting carries in short-yardage and goal-line situations, with Torain's role dependent upon his health, and Walker on the bubble. As for strategy, it is safe to say that Denver will return to a more balanced offense in 2009 than we saw last year; more runs near the goal line and more draws to combat the 3-4 defenses of San Diego and Kansas City. For more on Josh McDaniels and the running game, check out this earlier piece from broncobear and myself - Divining the McDaniels Way.

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Great post, NYC!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Bronco’s running game will be the best in years! The depth could be incredible! We just need to keep these young studs healthy. Your post has been very informative, NYC. Rec’d , of course.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Jul 20, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thanks NYC!

by NedBronco on Jul 20, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC,

I had questions about CB and Jordan that you answered nicely in your research. This could very well be an excellent corp of running backs with lots of fexibility and punch. Looking forward to their performance this year.

by bchiper on Jul 20, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Question?

If it’s alright? I’d like to know why Walker at 5’11" and 205 lbs is “…not quite as big as you’d like and not quite as fast as you’d like…” but Moreno at the same measurables has this quote “Moreno is one of the most physical running back prospects…”. Is it the way they run/carry themselves on the field?

I apologize for not knowing this, it seems like, in terms of size, we are comparing apples to apples, though, obviously, talent would be an apples/orange thing.

Thanks NYC for the great report!

by solace on Jul 20, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I suppose there are a couple ways to look at it…

1. Describing a guy’s physique is obviously in the eye of the beholder.
2. People can be the same height/weight yet can be built/look completely differently
3. Calling Knowshon a “physical” runner is about how he plays, not how he is built

I’ve spent much of my adult life having people think I weigh about 20 lbs. less than I actually do, so there’s a personal note on how different folks carry their weight.

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 20, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my job...

…(where I sometimes face evil doers with back-up a long ways away), I’ve been told that I look like a “big guy”. Just last week, a felon told me I ought to be in the WWE. I’m 6"4’ 1/2, and maybe I look imposing to most folks.

At the same time, when wearing my round “schoolboy” glasses and my prefered semi-formal attire, I’ve been likened to a professor. My background (mostly teaching) makes me feel much more like a scholar, and I prefer to dress the part. But with my lean frame covered up, and despite my older and less muscual physique than I enjoyed when I was younger, some folks would think I was the terminator (which causes my wife to laugh at my expense as I type).

I get the whole “glasses and Clark Kent” thing. Folks in my personal life don’t see me at all as folks at my work do. The same measurements can give different people different perspectives, depending on context.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jul 20, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

a good example is casey weigmann vs. Blake Schleuter

they have very similar measurements (6-2, 280-285), yet they play the center position in totally different ways based on how that weight is distributed. Casey looks “stockier” than Schlueter, and plays witha lower center of gravity. As a result he is hard to move in the passing game. Schlueter at once plays a bit higher, but is also thicker through the chest and back (needs to bulk up more and add weight to his lower body), and he is somewhat more moveable in pass pro.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cost of Arrington

I heard he cost Denver 2.7 mil. which I didn’t understand why Denver would try to sign someone they knew was injured for that kind of money. A $100,000 makes more sense and would have been a good move if Arrington would have been able to overcome his injury and play. So I’m curious as to how you came up with the $100,000 #

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 20, 2009 12:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s a link to Andrew Brandt’s article at NFP
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/arringtons-knee-the-waiver.html

This is but one of several articles around the web which reported the details, including the DP

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 20, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That was interesting and smart on the Broncos part. I didn’t understand at the time, why Broncos signed Arrington, Buckhalter, and Jordan. Now it makes a lot of sense and shows how much forethought went into these decisions before they were made.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 20, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess

is this is the work of Xanders. Smart lad we have there.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Jul 20, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RBs are much improved
It should also be noted that Moreno had 551 touches at Georgia and never fumbled.

Wow, just wow! That is a great stat. I’m so excited for Knowshon, I loved him at Georgia and think he will be a special player. The Broncos will really be able to pound the ball this year. Our O Line is excellent and we finally have some quality RB depth. I can’t wait to see defensive backs like getting folded like cheap lawn chairs with the addition of some ‘Traps and Pulls’ in the running scheme.

Nice job and rec’d.

by DBronx777 on Jul 20, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I was about to clip that same quote and comment on it.

That stasitic is so good, it is frightening. Knowshon may not even be human!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jul 20, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also had that line copied LOL

But you already took care of it!

That is something we need badly……less turnovers.

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Jul 21, 2009 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC! Super piece.

Gotta love the potential and how it may work for the 2009 season.

If Marshall doesn’t sit out and is motivated to produce for a big contract, I would say this offense is going to be very potent (still potent without him, but even more so with him). Spreading the field with talented WR’s and then bringing in punishing runners like Moreno, Hillis and Jordan. Aaaaahhh… the possibilities sure look good.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."

by BroncTastic on Jul 20, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

An embarassment of riches...

… at running back, especially IF Torain can stay healthy and IF Jordan can perform at the level he demonstrated he was capable of in his 1st year with Faiders. Otherwise, it is Moreno, Buckhalter and Hillis — which is still quite a bit better than last year. Good write up NYC.

by DCbroncfan on Jul 20, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice review

I have to admit this position is still a big unknown to me along with the D-line. I think there will be continuity with Bobby Turner in how he coaches, but I’m really interested to see how this running back position is used in the new offense. As you noted it seems likely there will be a lot of passes to this group and some unusual sets to take advantage of mismatches. One of the more intriguing areas of the team to watch come training camp.

by Ponderosa on Jul 20, 2009 2:58 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Very nice write up NYC

It appears that the McDaniels way is to have RB’s with similar skill-sets so they can be interchanged at any time. With the only difference being the talent level of each player.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 20, 2009 3:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Certainly another excellent Break Down!

Thanks nyc! This is one I almost want to print out just to remember the AWESOME depth that sprouted this offseason! This post just blew my mind, who the (expletive deleted) are we going to cut from this bunch?
It’s hard not to have a Raider-bias fo LaMont, and him and Walker are the two I really wouldn’t miss… But that’s not saying they’re without their merits, don’t get me wrong! This and the DL, LB spots will be the hardest to make cuts from.

By the way, I did add those three stats you queried about to the Rivalry post.

Thanks again nyc!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 20, 2009 3:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited for our prospects at the running game this year.

I just hope that we will run the ball more to set up the pass instead of wasting our runners as we did last year. I think we will do the smart thing. We are just too loaded at RB to be stupid, right?

Great article, and filled in some points I didn’t know.

It should also be noted that Moreno had 551 touches at Georgia and never fumbled.

I’m still in shock. Just..

.just….

just WOW!

(rec’d, with honors).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jul 20, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, WOW!!!!

I don’t remember hearing this before.

by Bronkfan on Jul 20, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here

Not fumbling with that many touches in the SEC is very impressive. Here is an example of his solid fortitude. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QY-laDyAd4>.

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by DaytonaBronco on Jul 20, 2009 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially Impressive

Playing in the SEC

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 20, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just jealous

…that you were at the J-E-T-S game. That was the second highest peak of last season (after beating the snot out of Jokeland in week 1).

by Bradoncadonc on Jul 20, 2009 6:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It was quite a game, and quite a miserable day weather-wise. My poor iPhone died that day at the Meadowlands in the cold rain. Incredibly, my then-fiancee accompanied me for hours of tailgating and then the game (freezing our tails off) only days before our wedding. Now, whether she will accompany me to the Eagles game on Dec. 26th, that could be another story (now that we’re married).

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So True

Luckily I married a girl from Minnesota, so taking her to the top seats on a cold rainy day at Mile High isn’t as big an issue.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Jul 21, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey NYC, would you be interested in tailgating at the Philly game?

my girlfriend might be taking me for my birthday

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Jul 21, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m actually not yet sure we’ll be going, but let’s keep in touch; certainly I’ll meet up with you if I’m there

by Douglas A. Lee on Jul 21, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine job

This was an excellent break down of the rbs. Thanks

by McGeorge on Jul 20, 2009 6:45 PM MDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Great write up!

NYC, you write a ton of fantastic articles here and this one is no different. Thanks for the taking the time, can’t wait till Sept.!!

Moreno in 2009! - Check
Taylor Mays in 2010!

by Steve O' on Jul 20, 2009 8:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My thinking is

Larsen is the odd man out at running back.

Torain has a chance to beat out Walker for a spot.

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait" -- Kool-Aid Man

by littletinybroncos on Jul 20, 2009 9:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Larsen makes the roster

But it could primarily be at LILB unless Hillis gets hurt and they need an extra body at FB.

by cjfarls on Jul 21, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Larsen is not really on the roster for FB

He is on it because he can play and plays with heart on Special Teams and Defense. His (buzz word warning) versatility though endears him the the staff because in a pinch he is ready to perform on wherever they need him.

I for one hope they continue to develop him more on Defense. He played great there last year and earn a chance to prove himself.

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by YellowStoneBronco on Jul 21, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The prospect of Moreno and Hillis brings flashbacks of two different tandems . . .

Jim Brown/Bobby Mitchell of the Browns and John Riggins/Joe Washington of the Redskins just destroyed opposing defenses with their true “lightning and thunder” attacks. Josh McDaniels, are you listening?

Really enjoyed your article, NYC. It was excellent, as usual.

Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Jul 20, 2009 9:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kiick and Czonka?

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Jul 20, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Stable

of backs. I just hope that a prime emerges; running back by committee (more than two) doesn’t seem particularly effective. Also hope that the injury bug doesn’t bite this year…

Moreno is absolutely exciting. Buck is pretty good. Hillis is a beast. Jordan is effective. Torrain could be great. It’s a pretty good problem to have so many good RB’s.

Nice breakdown NYC

by Merlin Scott on Jul 20, 2009 10:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

revisiting the draft, RB & other issues
Although several fans were wishing for the Broncos to select Knowshon Moreno out of Georgia, most were expecting Denver to go defense-defense and fortify the front 7 with their two first-round picks (#12 and #18). While it appears that Xanders and McDaniels were hoping for such a scenario, the draft day board did not fall that way; highly-ranked 3-4 defenders Tyson Jackson and B.J. Raji went ahead of Denver’s slot to Kansas City and Green Bay, respectively. Once their turn came around at #12, Denver’s goal was to choose Moreno and DE/LB Robert Ayers with their two selections, in no particular order. Hearing that San Diego was trying to trade up to #13 in order to nab Moreno if Denver passed on the running back, Xanders and McDaniels pounced on the Georgia star.

We went back and forth on the issue of drafting Moreno before the draft, and it’s worth revisiting the issue.

ADDRESSING A NEED IS NOT FILLING A NEED

What baffled many pundits and fans was the idea that our best pick could turn out to be a player at non-need position. I danced around this point frequently in my posts on the draft topics. For example:

The criteria for ‘utility’ in a draft cut in many ways, which may seem confusing to people since the logic for why you take a certain position can be turned on its head under many circumstances. Moreno would be the BPA at #18 and be able to come in and contribute right away. Not only that, he’s a great fit for our offense; he runs with great vision and fits a ZB scheme perfectly, he blocks well, and he’s a very good pass catcher. And his value at #18 is a drop from where he would go in another year, when RBs are in demand. He could also be the best (as in safest) pick when compared to the other prospects at that point in the draft. — (from Why we shouldn’t take a RB in the #1 — PosterNutBag; The door is still open, by Colinski).

Admittedly, I was leaning towards taking Moreno at #18 but that was a guess regarding his position. Or to put it another way; it’s clear that Moreno would be the best pick if he was available at #18. And there was considerable support for ONLY drafting defensive players in the early part of our draft — no matter what!

A lot of people couldn’t envision drafting a RB until late in the draft, so it was a battle to convince some people that I wasn’t simply enamored of the idea but expressing a mathematical truth (so to speak) about a well designed utility function.

In another section of that post:

Fixing the defense is important but what’s true in a general sense may not apply to a specific situation. I don’t see any defensive players around #18 that are going to provide the kind of impact that we’d expect for a pick that high. Part of the problem is that the few defensive players around that range aren’t good fits for a 3-4. The logic of taking a defensive player is prefaced on the assumption that there would be a player of appropriate value & position in this range — which doesn’t appear to be the case.

The gist of my argument is that not only was it a good idea to take a RB, it was a pick that many of us predicted here. And the reason for that pick involved some rather extensive draft analysis and not because we didn’t ‘understand’ the process — as some have alleged. And by “we” I mean many of the members here, besides our coaching staff.

What’s been interesting to me during the process of analyzing the Broncos over the course of the past year is how poorly run we were late in Shanahan’s tenure. There was a belief that Denver didn’t need quality running backs to successfully run the ball, and there’s even a grain of truth to that statement. But looking at the situation now, now that I’ve had an extended period to scrutinize the team, it’s astonishing that our decline in the running game wasn’t recognized by more people. While it’s true that we had done amazing things with less talent (at RB but not OL, a point that’s often missed), there was never a sound argument for not becoming even better.

We’d all like to see us become better on defense, but this is yet another area where too many people were willing to accept decline rather than voice criticism. Curiously, we’re still paying the price for our defensive mediocrity but in an ironic way. The MSM looks at the last two years as the baseline upon which we’ve added an in-distinguished but large FA class and small defensive draft crop that focused on the wrong areas.

All I can say at this point is that there has been more change on our defense than at any time that I can recall — and I can recall a lot. Even though it’s hard not to get irritated at some of the more thoughtless criticisms, it’s the most exciting time in Bronco history — truly! There has never been this much young talent on any previous Bronco team. Our problems over the last three years were related to the decline in the organization that I spoke of at the beginning of this post. But over the last three years we’ve accumulated an enormous amount of talent. And we’ve also brought in the largest defensive FA crop in our history. Change may be our enemy for a while as the team gells around each other, but a change of this scope rarely fails to have a dramatic impact on team performance, even a high level of success may elude us for a while. However, it’s virtually certain that we’ll be improved and continue to improve, given the amount of young talent on the team.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Jul 21, 2009 12:02 AM MDT reply actions   3 recs

No comment

They have already been made. Great post I once again learned from all who posted and commented.

Highly rec’d

by papasteven on Jul 21, 2009 6:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post man.

I am totally stoked to see how Hillis comes out to play in 2009!! It is also noteworthy, to me at least, that Buckhalter is just 3 days older than me. ;-)

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Jul 21, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Getting it Done

I almost did a back flip when I heard that Denver landed Moreno, I’ve been a Peyton Hillis fan since he was a freshman in college, and I remember yelling at my tv two Aprils ago, telling Shannahan that he’d be stupid to pass up the steal in the seventh round that Hillis would be….and I was right.

With those two alone you have given your team a bost of excellent running and power mixed with a very unique ability to be an excellent reciever as well. With the others in the backfield, it only adds to how much this team should be able to accomplish with just it’s very young running game.

Forget crybaby jay, and the old teams of Denver’s past, this is a going to be much more fun to watch and develop and even if this season doesn’t go great, this will develop into one of the best teams we’ve seen in awhile.

by southbysouthjoe on Jul 22, 2009 8:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Knowshon and fumbles

Speaking as someone who saw all but one of his UGA games in person, I can tell you that Knowshon fumbled four times in his collegiate career. The first 2 were against Ole Miss in 2007; one went out of bounds, and the other was recovered by a trailing lineman. The third was at Georgia Tech in 2007 but was (wrongly) credited to Matthew Stafford. The last was at Auburn in 2008 and went out of bounds.

He never lost a fumble. I believe that this is an important distinction to make.

by Hobnail_Boot on Jul 26, 2009 4:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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