One league source said the hold up with first-round negotiations _ only four of 32 had signed by Monday morning _ was San Francisco’s Michael Crabtree. The receiver from Texas Tech was a No. 10 overall draft pick but he is seeking top 3 money.
If Crabtree gets top 3 money at No. 10, then the picks around him _ Moreno was selected at No. 12 overall _ would negotiate their contracts accordingly.
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So that means
Crabtree is like two slow-moving trucks on the highway, one trying to pass the other.
That always annoys me to no end…
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It's gotta be tough.
I know they are about to be millionaires, but I feel for the unsigned rookies. That has to be stressful to be torn between getting paid fairly and getting that first real taste of the NFL. You have an agent preaching patience and the rest of the world lamenting lost practice time and perhaps lost opportunity…all because somebody else is in line in front of you.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 27, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions
Crabtree has no leg to stand on...
What is he going to say? Mel Kiper projected me higher, so I should get paid more? When you’re the 10th pick, you get paid like the 10th pick, unless you’re a QB, and even then, your contract probably has a lot of incentives in it, to bring it to starting QB level. When you’re a WR, you’re out of luck. The end.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
Seems that Way
The scary thing is if the 49ers cave. If that happens then the rest of the league is going to fill the hit…
Gee, I wonder why teams weren’t desperately trying to trade up into the top 10 this year.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Agreed
He hasn’t played a down in the NFL yet. You get paid according to where you were drafted. If he doesn’t like it then tough. If he wants more money then play hard and prove it.
Cap restrictions on rookies is needed. These contracts get bigger and bigger every year with no end in site.
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That is silly thing to say and flat out wrong as well.
You will likely regret saying come April of next season. You may think your comment is funny now, but you won’t then.
Crabtree is like Marshall. Wants more money but has no leverage. Never hurts to ask and never hurts to say NO!.
Not Flat Out Wrong, Flat out Savy
Not quite, because there is a certain guarantee with a first round pick that you are going to spend in a high range. The diminishing returns on the first round pick compared to a second round pick don’t justify the cost increase.
It is the value play to avoid paying for 4 first rounders in two years. Nothing wrong with that because in the end you can only pay players so much and I would want to have the best bang for my buck across the team.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
The 2nd round? Really. What about this.
The 2004 draft has 14 1st round picks make the Pro Bowl. Guys like Manning, Fitsgerald, Rivers, Big Ben, Tommy Harris, V Wolfork. The 2nd round had two (Chris Snee and Bob Sanders).
Go look at the 2007. Seven 1st rounders have already made the Pro Bowl including A Peterson, Pat Willis, Jon Beason, Griffin (Denver could use those last two instead of Jarvis). Not one 2nd rounder has played in the Pro Bowl level from that draft (although I love Lamar Woodley and he will).
Similar trends in 2006 and 2005. The 1st round puts more offensive and defensive guys in the Pro Bowl than the other rounds combined. Far more than round 2.
Scouting has improved vastly in the past decade. 1st round picks are better bang for the buck in terms of on field production and the chance to land franchise guys like Clady, Pat Willis, Demarcus Ware, Ligaments Out, etc. It’s only the salaries of Top 10 guys are out of control. 1st round salaries are not that bad once you get into the middle of round 1. i.e. Jay Cutler is collecting $1MM this season and $2.2MM in 2010. That said, I’d be peachy keen for Denver to pay Top 10 money to a game changer like Mario Williams.
This is not the NBA where 1st and 2nd round picks operate on a vastly different pay scale.
Is this the argument about Smith again?
While I understand your line of reasoning, it doesn’t take important specifics into account. For example, when I look at Smith’s productivity in college, he sure sounds like 1st round quality to me. The only reason he wasn’t a 1st round pick this year is his height. But that’s people saying something bad about him on paper, while his productivity was on the field. I tend to agree with the Broncos that he’s a 1st round caliber player – we’ll see if that pans out. So to me, the comparison of 1st and 2nd round picks is almost moot here. We traded a 1st round pick for a 1st round caliber guy. Only footnote to that is, we paid a little bit less than would normally be spent on a 1st round pick.
You know, Bob Sanders is only 5'8", which makes him to small to be a first round pick.
Alphonso Smith is a first rounder getting 2nd round money. He was 5th in the voting to be defensive player of the year, out of all the defensive players in the nation. In my book that is dollars saved.
by bfree2bronc on Jul 27, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
If I remember right...
the only guy whose information and opinion I actually listen to about the draft is Mike Mayock. He’s constantly spot on with his analysis and predictions. If I remember right, he had Smith rated pretty highly all the way across. No doubt his height pushed him down a bit, but all in all he was rated well.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
Yes and if I took a snapshot in time like 2008 I would find:
Forte, Royal, Jackson, Pollak, Lofton, Flowers… etc in the second round.
So what can we control? There is an amount of risk around picking a player regardless of the advances in scouting. What there isn’t any risk about is in paying that player. So if you want to hedge your bets against risk you want to look at maximizing (chance of success)/(cost of player).
So where it is true that a first round pick has a greater (chance of success) the increase in (cost of player) more than offsets it. Especially at the top of the 1st round. Hence the diminishing returns. Now I would love to crunch numbers on this but I don’t have the time but this is the issue and why it makes sense to look for the 2nd round for better overall return.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
I guess I should point out
What we can control very well is the (cost of player). So by pegging it low you are also holding the ratio up which is what makes it savvy.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
I like the point about what we can control
There are other parts outside of our control also. When it comes down to it, having two first round picks next year could bring us some great players, but also just having the picks puts us at a great risk. What if the worst case scenario—broncos tank, bears tank—comes to fruition? Suddenly we are stuck with two top ten picks, which once again, might bring us talent, but will absolutely destroy us financially, especially if the trend of obscene rookie contracts continues (which it will until a much needed cap is set). It sucks when financial matters affect the way we think our team should be built, but that’s the reality of the situation. As you said, its about control. Its about making sure we control our outcome as much as possible. We don’t know where the Bears will end up, and if bad luck strikes our Broncs down, then we end in an awful situation. Its wiser to just have one first round pick next year. And as a bonus for the impatient fans, we get to see our return for one of next year’s picks on the field now, with Phonze.
+1
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by broncosmontana on Jul 27, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
This kind of thinking..
is reminding me of why most of us took such a hit on our financial holdings the last couple of years. Banking on equity in a talent that could just as easily bust as succeed is never a good idea. Don’t get me wrong Crabtree could have an immediate impact in this league for the Niners, but, until proven he should keep his wants in a realistic range for the 10th pick. Say last years tenth plus 5%. Still a lot of money.
What's next?
High school prospects refusing to sign with a college without an NFL contract guarantee?
Cap rookies NOW. Pay the guys who have BEEN THERE.
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by broncosmontana on Jul 27, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
A rookie cap should be 3 mil a year at the most. Don’t know, haven’t been there, but that seems like plenty…. Nothing to bitc# about.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 27, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure Matt Stafford's happy.
He made out like a bandit in his contract.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
+2
Joe Sakic was pure class, win or lose, at all times.
by Colorado_Kitten on Jul 27, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
What do you think this would do
To B Marsh’s situation if Crabtree gets his way?
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Dang…I don’t even want to think about that. Already the rooks will be making quite a bit more than he is (I think).
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by PosterNutbag on Jul 27, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Big differences between the two I think.
Yes, Marshall has experience and a couple good years, but Crabtree hasn’t been arrested 56 times in 3 years. I wish Marshall would realize why he’s not getting his pay day. It’s not his talent that’s inhibiting that, it’s his issues. Period, end of story. Getting him to see it that way is a different story though.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
I think
Oye – just about says it all
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 27, 2009 3:23 PM MDT reply actions
The NFL does need a rookie cap
First off Denver probaly traded there second 1st round pick next year because they have to pay TWO 1st round picks this year. They also thought a lot about Smith to give up the pick for him and now they have him signed at second round money. They drafted seconday this year and next year they can draft DL>
live and die blue and orange
My thoughts exactly about rookie cap
Why did the owners opt out of the CBA, because its broken and this exemplifies it. Just because Al Davis could’ve and probably should’ve taken Crabtree doesn’t mean that he should be paid higher than the guy AD picked? So I guess this is players-owners round 1.
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the worst part about this is that the niners have good depth at WR, so they probably won't budge
and if crabtree is stubborn, his holdout could potentially lead to the holdout of other players who want to be at camp on time.
Maybe the 49'rs not budging will be good.
These guys all want to play, and a few of them are going to say “last year’s rate plus 5% is about 100,000 times what my parents made last year, I think I will go ahead and sign and start playing football” If a few of the 28 remaining start to sign, and then a few more, the floodgates will open with realistic contracts and Crabtree will be the last holdout
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
Above and Below
If the guys above and below him sign that will pretty much set his value. He can then hold out as long as he wants without screwing the lives of the other 1st rounders who want to play football. Do I smell a player agent issue here?
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